Barrett Ruud (1 Viewer)

[jgb95]

I have Barrett on my PS from last year and I'm trying to get some homer info on his PT for 2006.

Here are Shelton Quarles numbers Salary wise:

Salary History

2005 1000000.00

2006 3100000.00

2007 3750000.00

His salary triples.

I'm just wondering if TB see enough in BR to let Quarles go?

Any info would be very much appreciated!!!!

 

[Bloom]

Ruud was excellent on special teams and the Bucs love him. Mark it down in pen, he will be the starting MLB in tampa at some point. Quarles may have enough gas left in the tank to postpone it, but Ruud is a terrific buy low trade target in dynasty leagues right now.

 

[John 14:6]

Ruud was excellent on special teams and the Bucs love him. Mark it down in pen, he will be the starting MLB in tampa at some point. Quarles may have enough gas left in the tank to postpone it, but Ruud is a terrific buy low trade target in dynasty leagues right now.

Good to hear! I have him really cheap in my dynasty league

 

[Pick]

Ruud was excellent on special teams and the Bucs love him. Mark it down in pen, he will be the starting MLB in tampa at some point. Quarles may have enough gas left in the tank to postpone it, but Ruud is a terrific buy low trade target in dynasty leagues right now.

Good to hear! I have him really cheap in my dynasty league

Me, too. Passed on Thurman.

 

[Birdie048]

Ruud was excellent on special teams and the Bucs love him. Mark it down in pen, he will be the starting MLB in tampa at some point. Quarles may have enough gas left in the tank to postpone it, but Ruud is a terrific buy low trade target in dynasty leagues right now.

Good to hear! I have him really cheap in my dynasty league

Me, too. Passed on Thurman.

While I agree with the ovreall statement, I don't see him taking the job away from him this season. Quarles might take a cut to stay in TB as there are several Buc's due big $. He will not get much on the open market and it could be his retirement farewell. Quarles is 34 yo! He played great last season, no doubt.IMO, Ruud will be phased in over the course of the season gradually and take the role completely around Week 10 unless Quarles has another Pro-Bowl caliber year.

FWIW: I was able to get both Thurman and Ruud last year then trade for Reggie Brown... so I am expecting big things from them!

 

[CanadianNFLJunkie]

Rudd is the 4th LB on the team. He is the future MLB but he also can and has played some SLB. From what I heard about him last year, he will be on the field more often next year, but will he start? Too early to say right now.

 

[Pick]

Ruud was excellent on special teams and the Bucs love him. Mark it down in pen, he will be the starting MLB in tampa at some point. Quarles may have enough gas left in the tank to postpone it, but Ruud is a terrific buy low trade target in dynasty leagues right now.

Good to hear! I have him really cheap in my dynasty league

Me, too. Passed on Thurman.

While I agree with the ovreall statement, I don't see him taking the job away from him this season. Quarles might take a cut to stay in TB as there are several Buc's due big $. He will not get much on the open market and it could be his retirement farewell. Quarles is 34 yo! He played great last season, no doubt.IMO, Ruud will be phased in over the course of the season gradually and take the role completely around Week 10 unless Quarles has another Pro-Bowl caliber year.

FWIW: I was able to get both Thurman and Ruud last year then trade for Reggie Brown... so I am expecting big things from them!

I could've also had both but traded down and took Erasmus James instead of Thurman. We'll see.

 

[John 14:6]

FWIW: I was able to get both Thurman and Ruud last year then trade for Reggie Brown... so I am expecting big things from them!

I also got Reggie Brown... and Mike Williams I didn't get Thurman, though

but I DID get Tatupu with Ruud

 

[Pick]

FWIW: I was able to get both Thurman and Ruud last year then trade for Reggie Brown... so I am expecting big things from them!

I also got Reggie Brown... and Mike Williams I didn't get Thurman, though

but I DID get Tatupu with Ruud

I seriously considered Thurman and Tatupu. Would've been nice having Pollack, Thurman, Tatupu, and Ruud. I think I got Marlin Jackson instead of Tatupu.

 

[jgb95]

Since you brought him up.

What do you guys think of Pollack???

 

[Bloom]

Since you brought him up.

What do you guys think of Pollack???

meh. SLB in a 4-3 is capped pretty severely for fantasy production at LB. He could be nice in leagues that heavily reward sacks, but otherwise he's an LB3 or LB4 in the best scenario.

 

[WhoDat]

IMO, Ruud will be phased in over the course of the season gradually and take the role completely around Week 10 unless Quarles has another Pro-Bowl caliber year.

This is what I initially thought would happen for Ruud his rookie campaign. I did not see the Bucs as a playoff caliber team nor did I thik Quarles would hold onto the starting job past the first 8 games. I figured the lack of wins and prodution from Quarles would see the team work Ruud into the line-up at the season's midpoint. Now, onto 2006.Ruud, opinion, will begin to see the field beyond special teams in some capacity. It might be based on down,distance and situation but it will happen. He has an extremely high football acumen to be coupled with great instincts and skills. Basically, he is a prototypical MLB. Assuming Quarles stays with the Bucs, he is going to have a hard time keeping Ruud off the field this season. The kid is too good and it makes too much sense to begin to make the transition, while each player is on the roster, versus holding Ruud off another season and, then, handing him the position. The rotation and or swap of defensive starters is much different than the offensive side of the football...much different. That is augmented by the fact we are talking about the MLB position in a complex Cover 2 scheme. Having Quarles mentor Ruud during the season would prove to be a priceless learning mechanism and beneficial for everyone involved. Ruud is a player you are going to have to hold but the eventual ROI will be well worthwhile. If you can get him on the cheap from another owner, do so. I drafted him along with Thurman, T. Davis and D. Ware last season. My thoughts about Ruud were that any prodcution in season 1 would be gravy but that he would be a start no later than midpoint of season 2. Pollack is a great athlete but limited by the fact he is going to primarily play SLB and get a few chances to play DE, which would be predicated on game situation. Solid NFL prospect but not necessarily the best IDP prospect. He'll get sacks and a couple of INT each season but might be short on tackles.

 

[pretender]

IMO, Ruud will be phased in over the course of the season gradually and take the role completely around Week 10 unless Quarles has another Pro-Bowl caliber year.

This is what I initially thought would happen for Ruud his rookie campaign. I did not see the Bucs as a playoff caliber team nor did I thik Quarles would hold onto the starting job past the first 8 games. I figured the lack of wins and prodution from Quarles would see the team work Ruud into the line-up at the season's midpoint. Now, onto 2006.Ruud, opinion, will begin to see the field beyond special teams in some capacity. It might be based on down,distance and situation but it will happen. He has an extremely high football acumen to be coupled with great instincts and skills. Basically, he is a prototypical MLB.

Assuming Quarles stays with the Bucs, he is going to have a hard time keeping Ruud off the field this season. The kid is too good and it makes too much sense to begin to make the transition, while each player is on the roster, versus holding Ruud off another season and, then, handing him the position. The rotation and or swap of defensive starters is much different than the offensive side of the football...much different. That is augmented by the fact we are talking about the MLB position in a complex Cover 2 scheme.

Having Quarles mentor Ruud during the season would prove to be a priceless learning mechanism and beneficial for everyone involved. Ruud is a player you are going to have to hold but the eventual ROI will be well worthwhile. If you can get him on the cheap from another owner, do so. I drafted him along with Thurman, T. Davis and D. Ware last season. My thoughts about Ruud were that any prodcution in season 1 would be gravy but that he would be a start no later than midpoint of season 2.

Pollack is a great athlete but limited by the fact he is going to primarily play SLB and get a few chances to play DE, which would be predicated on game situation. Solid NFL prospect but not necessarily the best IDP prospect. He'll get sacks and a couple of INT each season but might be short on tackles.

bump for any updates?

 

[Birdie048]

The extra Cap space give Quarles alot more comfort in staying in TB. I would like to see Ruud move into the MLB slot sooner simply from a FF perspective, but it's hard to argue with Quarles performance last year. I doubt he will have the same type season and Ruud could move into the starting lineup early this season... but that is still too uncertain.

But to the point at hand, the extra $7.5M cap space the new CBA created gives Quarles room. The restructuring of other (ie D Brooks) also give Quarles time.

 

[pretender]

The extra Cap space give Quarles alot more comfort in staying in TB. I would like to see Ruud move into the MLB slot sooner simply from a FF perspective, but it's hard to argue with Quarles performance last year. I doubt he will have the same type season and Ruud could move into the starting lineup early this season... but that is still too uncertain.

But to the point at hand, the extra $7.5M cap space the new CBA created gives Quarles room. The restructuring of other (ie D Brooks) also give Quarles time.

Thanks for the update - so it looks like Quarles is there for this season at least.

 

[WhoDat]

Thanks for the update - so it looks like Quarles is there for this season at least.

I still think this plays out during training camp. Yes, financially speaking Quarles is safe. In terms of playing ability Quarles was great last year...last year. If Ruud has an extremely productive camp and preseason, then you'll see the kid playing this season sooner than later. WAY too early to write off Ruud and or have buyer's remorse if you either drafted or traded for him.

 

[pretender]

Thanks for the update - so it looks like Quarles is there for this season at least.

I still think this plays out during training camp. Yes, financially speaking Quarles is safe. In terms of playing ability Quarles was great last year...last year. If Ruud has an extremely productive camp and preseason, then you'll see the kid playing this season sooner than later. WAY too early to write off Ruud and or have buyer's remorse if you either drafted or traded for him.

No buyers remorse, just disappointment. Really in need of linebacker help and was hoping he would be able to help this season. Still trying to trade for other linebackers that can help this season. No way I trade him away. I believe he'll be productive when he gets his chance. Maybe this season - maybe not.

 

[Rozelle]

Quarles takes a pay cut

Expected, but not good new for Ruud owners.

 

[Renegades of Funk]

Caught the end of a conversation on Sirius. They were speculating Ruud would be playing SLB. Not so good for fantasy. They didn't think he is such a good fit for dropping into the deep middle in Tampa's cover 2.

 

[gump]

Caught the end of a conversation on Sirius. They were speculating Ruud would be playing SLB. Not so good for fantasy. They didn't think he is such a good fit for dropping into the deep middle in Tampa's cover 2.

That's the rub with Ruud that people don't seem to get...Monte must have a MLB that can cover. Remember Hardy Nickerson? He was the apple of Monte's eye. Quarles is the same way...

 

[jgb95]

NOT GOOD!

 

[Rozelle]

Caught the end of a conversation on Sirius. They were speculating Ruud would be playing SLB. Not so good for fantasy. They didn't think he is such a good fit for dropping into the deep middle in Tampa's cover 2.

I'm curious who is They? TB knew they were not getting a so-called athletic LB when they drafted him. I'm not buying into the not such a good fit for dropping into the deep middle.

 

[inbreeder]

I don't think we should jump to any conclusions here yet.

On the surface, Brooks and Quarles taking pay cuts looks bad. In reality, neither of these guys were likely to be cut - both played way too well last season.

With regard to Ruud, his combine 40 time concerned some that he wouldn't be able to handle the mike responsibilities in the Tampa-2. But there was an article on NFL.com last year emphasizing the importance of quickness rather than raw speed. It listed guys with suspect 40 times but stellar shuttle cone times. Ruud was at the top of that list. Combine that with what are considered to be excellent football instincts and Ruud is a fine fit for the MLB job.

EDIT: Here's the article from NFL.com (Kirwan)

http://www.nfl.com/draft/story/8313818

Also of note is that Quarles started at the SLB in Tampa for a number of seasons before taking the MLB job. The LB responsibilities in the Tampa-2 are such that size isn't nearly the issue it is in the traditional 4-3 SLB position. It may be more likely that Quarles shifts to SLB to make room for Ruud than benching Ryan Nece for Ruud directly.

Let's see how this one shakes out this summer. Ruud is still an excellent buy low candidate - maybe now more than ever.

 

[Birdie048]

Not a good development.... it could still work out in the rotation for Ruud to take MLB, but why would they move Quarles if he is playing up to the same level (or close) as last year.

I'd rather hold onto him for now. It's unlikely I will get decent value for him at this point so holding him is my best option. The best offer I received for a contracted Ruud was UFA David Thorton! not even close IMO.

 

[WhoDat]

With regard to Ruud, his combine 40 time concerned some that he wouldn't be able to handle the mike responsibilities in the Tampa-2. But there was an article on NFL.com last year emphasizing the importance of quickness rather than raw speed. It listed guys with suspect 40 times but stellar shuttle cone times. Ruud was at the top of that list. Combine that with what are considered to be excellent football instincts and Ruud is a fine fit for the MLB job.

Exactly.It is WAY too early to make any conclusion on Ruud's future. He is an extremely intelligent football player and that is a must for the MLB position. Maybe his straight line speed is lacking but his agility and ability to be in the right place at the right time will ulitmately supercede that on the field of play.

 

[Rozelle]

With regard to Ruud, his combine 40 time concerned some that he wouldn't be able to handle the mike responsibilities in the Tampa-2. But there was an article on NFL.com last year emphasizing the importance of quickness rather than raw speed. It listed guys with suspect 40 times but stellar shuttle cone times. Ruud was at the top of that list. Combine that with what are considered to be excellent football instincts and Ruud is a fine fit for the MLB job.

Exactly.It is WAY too early to make any conclusion on Ruud's future. He is an extremely intelligent football player and that is a must for the MLB position. Maybe his straight line speed is lacking but his agility and ability to be in the right place at the right time will ulitmately supercede that on the field of play.

 

[Pipes]

Now the Bucs just signed Jamie Winborn? So now is Ruud LB #5???

 

[Rozelle]

Now the Bucs just signed Jamie Winborn? So now is Ruud LB #5???

Article states he will compete for the SLBlink

 

[Michael Fox Fan]

Winborn was given a 2-year, $1.6M deal. Not exactly what you'd expect for a long-term starter. So he'll get a shot at the SLB job. But I wouldn't expect too much.

 

[5Rings]

Winborn was given a 2-year, $1.6M deal. Not exactly what you'd expect for a long-term starter. So he'll get a shot at the SLB job. But I wouldn't expect too much.

I wouldn't worry about Winborn. The guy is fast and aggressive, but is too eager to roam and not follow assingments (which caused his exit from SF) as well as being injury prone and not a great tackler.

 

[Bizkiteer]

Winborn also can play ILB/MLB, so a bit more complex if Quarles goes down too. I think TB drafted Rudd because they like his ability to make plays w/ his speed. Their thought was not for him to come in a play a certain spot right away, but that he could play any of the spots. Just a guess, but who knows...

 

[Chadstroma]

Thought I would ressurect this thread with the news that Rudd has been made the starting MLB. What are the general thoughts of his production this year?

 

[lions327]

Thought I would ressurect this thread with the news that Rudd has been made the starting MLB. What are the general thoughts of his production this year?

I don't see him playing on passing downs with Brooks and June there, so his numbers are somewhat limited. I think he will be one of the few 2 down LB's that can be fantasy starters in deeper leagues. I would have him personally at a LB4, with LB3 upside, as long as he is only playing 2 downs. I consider him a possible poor mans Jeremiah Trotter, if he lives up to his potential.

 

[chook]

Rudnicki & Magaw did a great Faceoff on Ruud this week.

 

[Chadstroma]

Thought I would ressurect this thread with the news that Rudd has been made the starting MLB. What are the general thoughts of his production this year?

I don't see him playing on passing downs with Brooks and June there, so his numbers are somewhat limited. I think he will be one of the few 2 down LB's that can be fantasy starters in deeper leagues. I would have him personally at a LB4, with LB3 upside, as long as he is only playing 2 downs. I consider him a possible poor mans Jeremiah Trotter, if he lives up to his potential.

He projects to be my LB5 or 6 out of a league that can start up to 4 with min of 3 in a fairly deep league. I was not aware of the passing downs info though so that is good to know.

 

[Anthony Borbely]

Thought I would ressurect this thread with the news that Rudd has been made the starting MLB. What are the general thoughts of his production this year?

I don't see him playing on passing downs with Brooks and June there, so his numbers are somewhat limited. I think he will be one of the few 2 down LB's that can be fantasy starters in deeper leagues. I would have him personally at a LB4, with LB3 upside, as long as he is only playing 2 downs. I consider him a possible poor mans Jeremiah Trotter, if he lives up to his potential.

He projects to be my LB5 or 6 out of a league that can start up to 4 with min of 3 in a fairly deep league. I was not aware of the passing downs info though so that is good to know.

The passing downs is for this year. with Brooks getting up in years and June on a 1 year contract, it is not out of the question that Ruud could play in passing situations in the future. But this is just speculation at this point.

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

Thought I would ressurect this thread with the news that Rudd has been made the starting MLB. What are the general thoughts of his production this year?

I don't see him playing on passing downs with Brooks and June there, so his numbers are somewhat limited. I think he will be one of the few 2 down LB's that can be fantasy starters in deeper leagues. I would have him personally at a LB4, with LB3 upside, as long as he is only playing 2 downs. I consider him a possible poor mans Jeremiah Trotter, if he lives up to his potential.

He projects to be my LB5 or 6 out of a league that can start up to 4 with min of 3 in a fairly deep league. I was not aware of the passing downs info though so that is good to know.

The passing downs is for this year. with Brooks getting up in years and June on a 1 year contract, it is not out of the question that Ruud could play in passing situations in the future. But this is just speculation at this point.

Quincy Black definitely projects as a three down LB type, like June he's a safety/LB tweener

 

[Jene Bramel]

The passing downs is for this year. with Brooks getting up in years and June on a 1 year contract, it is not out of the question that Ruud could play in passing situations in the future. But this is just speculation at this point.

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[JOBOOZOSO]

I have Barrett on my PS from last year and I'm trying to get some homer info on his PT for 2006.

Here are Shelton Quarles numbers Salary wise:

Salary History

2005 1000000.00

2006 3100000.00

2007 3750000.00

His salary triples.

I'm just wondering if TB see enough in BR to let Quarles go?

Any info would be very much appreciated!!!!

1st of all, your avatar is tremendous!!!"I got a great big pointed fang

Which is my Zomby Toof

My right foot is bigger than my other one is

Like a reg'lar Zomby Hoof"

Onto question, yeah, Ruud is a solid LB#3 play for this year. Make sure you have other respected guys in front of him just in case he can't cut it.

 

[chook]

The passing downs is for this year. with Brooks getting up in years and June on a 1 year contract, it is not out of the question that Ruud could play in passing situations in the future. But this is just speculation at this point.

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Howzathappen?

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

The passing downs is for this year. with Brooks getting up in years and June on a 1 year contract, it is not out of the question that Ruud could play in passing situations in the future. But this is just speculation at this point.

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