Beltre to the Red Sox (1 Viewer)

[Abraham]

per espn.

 

[Kraft...]

not turrible for one year, I don't expect a ton of offense though

 

[the moops]

I'm hearing 1 year for 9 million, with a player option in 2011 for 5 million.

Good deal for the Sox. The guy's glove is worth close to 9 million, so even if his bat last year was what you get, still not terrible. Fangraphs has him as being worth 10.7 million last year.

Escaping Safeco should help his bat as well.

Ellsbury

Pedroia

Drew

Youkilis

Ortiz

Martinez

Beltre

Cameron

Scutaro

Good, not great, lineup.

 

[David Yudkin]

Here are the OPS+ scores from the last 3 years for the lineup mentioned above:

Ellsbury 131 - 87 - 97

Pedroia 112 -122 - 110

Martinez 129 - 88 -127

Youkilis 117 - 143 - 145

Ortiz 171 -123 - 101

Drew 105 - 137- 133

Cameron 104 - 111 - 111

Beltre 112 - 108 - 82

Scutaro 88 - 88 - 111

Better than a lot of teams, but certainly not close to the Yankees . . .

Jeter 121 - 102 - 132

Johnson 149 - 124 - 122

Teixeira 149 - 152 - 149

A-Rod 176 - 150 - 147

Posada 153 - 103 - 133

Cano 119 - 86 - 129

Swisher 126 - 92 - 129

Granderson 135 - 123 - 100

Gardiner (?) 53 - 93

 

[the moops]

Here are the OPS+ scores from the last 3 years for the lineup mentioned above:Ellsbury 131 - 87 - 97Pedroia 112 -122 - 110Martinez 129 - 88 -127Youkilis 117 - 143 - 145Ortiz 171 -123 - 101Drew 105 - 137- 133Cameron 104 - 111 - 111Beltre 112 - 108 - 82Scutaro 88 - 88 - 111Better than a lot of teams, but certainly not close to the Yankees . . .Jeter 121 - 102 - 132Johnson 149 - 124 - 122Teixeira 149 - 152 - 149A-Rod 176 - 150 - 147Posada 153 - 103 - 133Cano 119 - 86 - 129Swisher 126 - 92 - 129Granderson 135 - 123 - 100Gardiner (?) 53 - 93

Agreed. Hence, the good, but not great comment.However, the Sox may have the strongest combination of defense and starting pitching in all of baseball.

 

[guru_007]

I'm hearing 1 year for 9 million, with a player option in 2011 for 5 million.

Good deal for the Sox. The guy's glove is worth close to 9 million, so even if his bat last year was what you get, still not terrible. Fangraphs has him as being worth 10.7 million last year.

would love to see how they come up with that value for a corner infielder that hit 8 homers, drove in 44 runs, and had an 82 ops+ simply ridiculous

 

[Sleeping King]

He's a nice stop gap. They have about 60 million coming off the books after 2011. I expect a huge overhaul at that point. It certainly puts them into the upper echelon of defensive teams. I don't have the exact numbers but someone said the fangraphs show that the defense could take something like .25 off the team ERA.

 

[shadyridr]

I always liked Beltre. Great fielder and all-around solid player but $9mil seems a bit much for such a terrible hitter. If he starts taking steroids again like in his LA days then he might be a stud in Fenway. Either way still a decent deal even if it is $4m-$2m too much.

 

[Eephus]

He's a nice stop gap. They have about 60 million coming off the books after 2011. I expect a huge overhaul at that point. It certainly puts them into the upper echelon of defensive teams. I don't have the exact numbers but someone said the fangraphs show that the defense could take something like .25 off the team ERA.

There's an article at Fangraphs that suggests Beltre is the best defensive 3B of all time with an average +14 UZR/150 over the past eight years. The $10M/yr contract assumes he'll see some recovery with the bat if he stays healty in 2010 but even if he's just replacement level offensively, his glove is worth 2.2-2.5 wins alone which equates to around $7M value.

 

[the moops]

I'm hearing 1 year for 9 million, with a player option in 2011 for 5 million.

Good deal for the Sox. The guy's glove is worth close to 9 million, so even if his bat last year was what you get, still not terrible. Fangraphs has him as being worth 10.7 million last year.

would love to see how they come up with that value for a corner infielder that hit 8 homers, drove in 44 runs, and had an 82 ops+ simply ridiculous

I dont know their methodology all that well.

However, he did have his 2nd highest UZR/150 of his career.

 

[Sammy3469]

Here are the OPS+ scores from the last 3 years for the lineup mentioned above:Ellsbury 131 - 87 - 97Pedroia 112 -122 - 110Martinez 129 - 88 -127Youkilis 117 - 143 - 145Ortiz 171 -123 - 101Drew 105 - 137- 133Cameron 104 - 111 - 111Beltre 112 - 108 - 82Scutaro 88 - 88 - 111Better than a lot of teams, but certainly not close to the Yankees . . .Jeter 121 - 102 - 132Johnson 149 - 124 - 122Teixeira 149 - 152 - 149A-Rod 176 - 150 - 147Posada 153 - 103 - 133Cano 119 - 86 - 129Swisher 126 - 92 - 129Granderson 135 - 123 - 100Gardiner (?) 53 - 93

Everytime I look at that Yankee lineup, I can't help but think a guy or two will breakdown this year. Of course, they'll all probably end up staying healthy and press towards 1000 runs for the year.

 

[Eephus]

Here are the OPS+ scores from the last 3 years for the lineup mentioned above:Ellsbury 131 - 87 - 97Pedroia 112 -122 - 110Martinez 129 - 88 -127Youkilis 117 - 143 - 145Ortiz 171 -123 - 101Drew 105 - 137- 133Cameron 104 - 111 - 111Beltre 112 - 108 - 82Scutaro 88 - 88 - 111Better than a lot of teams, but certainly not close to the Yankees . . .Jeter 121 - 102 - 132Johnson 149 - 124 - 122Teixeira 149 - 152 - 149A-Rod 176 - 150 - 147Posada 153 - 103 - 133Cano 119 - 86 - 129Swisher 126 - 92 - 129Granderson 135 - 123 - 100Gardiner (?) 53 - 93

Everytime I look at that Yankee lineup, I can't help but think a guy or two will breakdown this year. Of course, they'll all probably end up staying healthy and press towards 1000 runs for the year.

A Nick Johnson injury is almost a given

 

[Sammy3469]

Here are the OPS+ scores from the last 3 years for the lineup mentioned above:Ellsbury 131 - 87 - 97Pedroia 112 -122 - 110Martinez 129 - 88 -127Youkilis 117 - 143 - 145Ortiz 171 -123 - 101Drew 105 - 137- 133Cameron 104 - 111 - 111Beltre 112 - 108 - 82Scutaro 88 - 88 - 111Better than a lot of teams, but certainly not close to the Yankees . . .Jeter 121 - 102 - 132Johnson 149 - 124 - 122Teixeira 149 - 152 - 149A-Rod 176 - 150 - 147Posada 153 - 103 - 133Cano 119 - 86 - 129Swisher 126 - 92 - 129Granderson 135 - 123 - 100Gardiner (?) 53 - 93

Everytime I look at that Yankee lineup, I can't help but think a guy or two will breakdown this year. Of course, they'll all probably end up staying healthy and press towards 1000 runs for the year.

A Nick Johnson injury is almost a given

Hell even he stayed healthy (or should I say "Nick Johnson healthy") last year.

 

[MexiContractor de NY]

I'm hearing 1 year for 9 million, with a player option in 2011 for 5 million.

Good deal for the Sox. The guy's glove is worth close to 9 million, so even if his bat last year was what you get, still not terrible. Fangraphs has him as being worth 10.7 million last year.

would love to see how they come up with that value for a corner infielder that hit 8 homers, drove in 44 runs, and had an 82 ops+ simply ridiculous

I think you can find a lot of answers here:http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/glossary/

 

[Balco]

Sox signed some solid defenders, which is a nice change, but good pitching (i.e. playoffs) will eat that lineup alive. Please Theo, give San Diego what they want for Adrian Gonzalez. Please.

 

[wilked]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I8IKDeH9SEg...player_embedded

 

[the moops]

Sox signed some solid defenders, which is a nice change, but good pitching (i.e. playoffs) will eat that lineup alive. Please Theo, give San Diego what they want for Adrian Gonzalez. Please.

Their lineup, while not as good as the yankees, will be in the top 5 in scoring.

 

[Balco]

Sox signed some solid defenders, which is a nice change, but good pitching (i.e. playoffs) will eat that lineup alive. Please Theo, give San Diego what they want for Adrian Gonzalez. Please.

Their lineup, while not as good as the yankees, will be in the top 5 in scoring.

No doubt about that. And they will get devoured by good pitching in the playoffs. They need Gonzalez. Great defender and lights out hitter.

 

[shadyridr]

Here are the OPS+ scores from the last 3 years for the lineup mentioned above:Ellsbury 131 - 87 - 97Pedroia 112 -122 - 110Martinez 129 - 88 -127Youkilis 117 - 143 - 145Ortiz 171 -123 - 101Drew 105 - 137- 133Cameron 104 - 111 - 111Beltre 112 - 108 - 82Scutaro 88 - 88 - 111Better than a lot of teams, but certainly not close to the Yankees . . .Jeter 121 - 102 - 132Johnson 149 - 124 - 122Teixeira 149 - 152 - 149A-Rod 176 - 150 - 147Posada 153 - 103 - 133Cano 119 - 86 - 129Swisher 126 - 92 - 129Granderson 135 - 123 - 100Gardiner (?) 53 - 93

Everytime I look at that Yankee lineup, I can't help but think a guy or two will breakdown this year. Of course, they'll all probably end up staying healthy and press towards 1000 runs for the year.

break down? they have two "old" guys

 

[shadyridr]

Sox signed some solid defenders, which is a nice change, but good pitching (i.e. playoffs) will eat that lineup alive. Please Theo, give San Diego what they want for Adrian Gonzalez. Please.

Their lineup, while not as good as the yankees, will be in the top 5 in scoring.

playing in fenway? yes but thats not a great lineup. nobody scares me. they dont have any bigtime hr hitters

 

[wilked]

Sox signed some solid defenders, which is a nice change, but good pitching (i.e. playoffs) will eat that lineup alive. Please Theo, give San Diego what they want for Adrian Gonzalez. Please.

Their lineup, while not as good as the yankees, will be in the top 5 in scoring.

playing in fenway? yes but thats not a great lineup. nobody scares me. they dont have any bigtime hr hitters

You do realize that by OPS Sox had 3 Top 10 players last year (more than the Yankees) in the league along with the #2 (just under Mauer). Granted they lost one, but the fact remains that again, by OPS, Youklis has outhit every Yankee in each of the past two years except Arod 2008.But ya, they got no one that scares you so they must suck.

 

[shadyridr]

Sox signed some solid defenders, which is a nice change, but good pitching (i.e. playoffs) will eat that lineup alive. Please Theo, give San Diego what they want for Adrian Gonzalez. Please.

Their lineup, while not as good as the yankees, will be in the top 5 in scoring.

playing in fenway? yes but thats not a great lineup. nobody scares me. they dont have any bigtime hr hitters

You do realize that by OPS Sox had 3 Top 10 players last year (more than the Yankees) in the league along with the #2 (just under Mauer). Granted they lost one, but the fact remains that again, by OPS, Youklis has outhit every Yankee in each of the past two years except Arod 2008.But ya, they got no one that scares you so they must suck.

enjoy your OPS stats all you want. it did alot of good for you last year

 

[wilked]

FYI I don't play on the team

good luck with judging hitters by HR. Honestly I thought you were a smarter fan, S

 

[Tau837]

I'm hearing 1 year for 9 million, with a player option in 2011 for 5 million.

Good deal for the Sox. The guy's glove is worth close to 9 million, so even if his bat last year was what you get, still not terrible. Fangraphs has him as being worth 10.7 million last year.

would love to see how they come up with that value for a corner infielder that hit 8 homers, drove in 44 runs, and had an 82 ops+ simply ridiculous

 

[the moops]

enjoy your OPS stats all you want. it did alot of good for you last year

 

[gnarboots11]

Ellsbury 131 - 87 - 97

Pedroia 112 -122 - 110

Martinez 129 - 88 -127

Youkilis 117 - 143 - 145

Ortiz 171 -123 - 101

Drew 105 - 137- 133

Cameron 104 - 111 - 111

Beltre 112 - 108 - 82

Scutaro 88 - 88 - 111

To expect that lineup to stay healthy is asking for a miracle. Cameron, Drew, Ortiz, Beltre are all old and injury prone and proven so with history. Throw in Vmart who is also getting up there and has quite a few miles on him, that lineup will definately have alot of injuries to deal with, and it's not that good to begin with. That lineup won't be winning championships, they should have done whatever it took to keep Bay.

 

[Balco]

Ellsbury 131 - 87 - 97Pedroia 112 -122 - 110Martinez 129 - 88 -127Youkilis 117 - 143 - 145Ortiz 171 -123 - 101Drew 105 - 137- 133Cameron 104 - 111 - 111Beltre 112 - 108 - 82Scutaro 88 - 88 - 111To expect that lineup to stay healthy is asking for a miracle. Cameron, Drew, Ortiz, Beltre are all old and injury prone and proven so with history. Throw in Vmart who is also getting up there and has quite a few miles on him, that lineup will definately have alot of injuries to deal with, and it's not that good to begin with. That lineup won't be winning championships, they should have done whatever it took to keep Bay.

You think Bay would be the difference? He had a solid year, and carried the team early in the year, but didn't you just call the roster old and injury prone? Bay would help that? He would have been a great signing, but he is a poor defender and the Mets greatly overspent there.Pedroia, Youklis, Drew, and Martinez are the great hitters in that lineup. Ellsbury is still young and developing. Cameron and Beltre are hackers who will get crushed by good pitching. Ortiz is a one trick pony now who should be platooned. Scutaro is an offensive improvement at SS. I hope the Sox aren't done dealing, but with Beltre signed, I have a bad feeling they are.

 

[David Yudkin]

To expect that lineup to stay healthy is asking for a miracle. Cameron, Drew, Ortiz, Beltre are all old and injury prone and proven so with history. Throw in Vmart who is also getting up there and has quite a few miles on him, that lineup will definately have alot of injuries to deal with, and it's not that good to begin with. That lineup won't be winning championships, they should have done whatever it took to keep Bay.

Are they that much older than say . . . the Yankees?Ellsbury 26Pedroia 26Martinez 31Youkilis 30Ortiz 34Drew 34Cameron 36Beltre 30Scutaro 34Total 281Jeter 35Johnson 31Teixeira 29A-Rod 34Posada 38Cano 27Swisher 29Granderson 28Gardiner 26Total 277And if they bring back Damon, their total shoots up to 287 for a total.

 

[the moops]

Ellsbury 131 - 87 - 97Pedroia 112 -122 - 110Martinez 129 - 88 -127Youkilis 117 - 143 - 145Ortiz 171 -123 - 101Drew 105 - 137- 133Cameron 104 - 111 - 111Beltre 112 - 108 - 82Scutaro 88 - 88 - 111To expect that lineup to stay healthy is asking for a miracle. Cameron, Drew, Ortiz, Beltre are all old and injury prone and proven so with history. Throw in Vmart who is also getting up there and has quite a few miles on him, that lineup will definately have alot of injuries to deal with, and it's not that good to begin with. That lineup won't be winning championships, they should have done whatever it took to keep Bay.

Of Cameron, Drew, Ortiz and Beltre, each of them have had 1 injury year of the past 4. I think you will find that is the case with most players in the league.Games Played 2006-2009Cameron 141, 151, 120, 149Drew 146, 140, 109, 137Ortiz 151, 149, 109, 150Beltre 156, 149, 143, 111Martinez 153, 147, 73, 155

 

[wilked]

Going back to the thread topic,

“[beltre is] clearly the best [third baseman] I’ve ever seen in person,” said Tampa Bay Rays manager Joe Maddon. “I think [Evan Longoria] is good, I used to think Scott Brosius was really good. … [Eric] Chavez was good, but Beltre is stupid good. I think Beltre is the best who I’ve ever seen with my two eyes – defender, not just third baseman, but defense.”

 

[RnR]

enjoy your OPS stats all you want. it did alot of good for you last year

I have no dog in this fight, but that statement cracked me up. Now picture a 76-year-old part-time scout spouting that off in an organizational meeting.

 

[Eephus]

enjoy your OPS stats all you want. it did alot of good for you last year

I have no dog in this fight, but that statement cracked me up. Now picture a 76-year-old part-time scout spouting that off in an organizational meeting.

ageist SOB

 

[Tremendous Upside]

Sox signed some solid defenders, which is a nice change, but good pitching (i.e. playoffs) will eat that lineup alive. Please Theo, give San Diego what they want for Adrian Gonzalez. Please.

Their lineup, while not as good as the yankees, will be in the top 5 in scoring.

playing in fenway? yes but thats not a great lineup. nobody scares me. they dont have any bigtime hr hitters

You do realize that by OPS Sox had 3 Top 10 players last year (more than the Yankees) in the league along with the #2 (just under Mauer). Granted they lost one, but the fact remains that again, by OPS, Youklis has outhit every Yankee in each of the past two years except Arod 2008.But ya, they got no one that scares you so they must suck.

enjoy your OPS stats all you want. it did alot of good for you last year

oof

 

[shadyridr]

enjoy your OPS stats all you want. it did alot of good for you last year

oof

Jesus Christ you cant even trash talk anymore these days

 

[guru_007]

Ellsbury 131 - 87 - 97Pedroia 112 -122 - 110Martinez 129 - 88 -127Youkilis 117 - 143 - 145Ortiz 171 -123 - 101Drew 105 - 137- 133Cameron 104 - 111 - 111Beltre 112 - 108 - 82Scutaro 88 - 88 - 111To expect that lineup to stay healthy is asking for a miracle. Cameron, Drew, Ortiz, Beltre are all old and injury prone and proven so with history. Throw in Vmart who is also getting up there and has quite a few miles on him, that lineup will definately have alot of injuries to deal with, and it's not that good to begin with. That lineup won't be winning championships, they should have done whatever it took to keep Bay.

Point taken - but the Red Sox do have the luxury of being a fairly deep team too. Their bench has the likes of Hermida and Kotchman (both every day players on other clubs) as well as young guys like Reddick, Lowrie to go with a pretty decent farm system too.Also, with the Beltre signing, obviously Lowell is out and the earlier proposed deal bringing back Max Ramirez would strengthen the catching depth on this team.I think you'll be surprised to learn that Beltre is only 30, so I don't think that is really "old" and labeling him as injury prone isn't exactly fair if you go back and look at the facts.There is certainly a bit of concern over offensive punch, as there is only one really 35+ home run threat on the team, and it's quite probably that maybe only one player even hits 30 homers this year from that lineup. But, it's not exactly the Pirates or Royals offense out there either, as the Sox get on base at a very good clip.

 

[David Yudkin]

Here's how the Sox compare to the Yankees in Fangraph value projections for this year (since we all know that there are only 2 teams in MLB).

2010 Value Projections

Pedroia 26.5

Lester 25.1

Youk 24.7

Vmart 23.4

Beckett 21.4

Drew 19.4

Beltre 18.9

Lackey 17.2

Ellsbury 17

Cameron 16

Scutaro 11.9

Buchholz 11.6

Papelbon 10.1

Dice-K 9.5

Ortiz 8.7

Lowell 7.5

Hermida 6.7

Wakefield 5.7

Varitek 4.9

Lowrie 4.6

Hall 1.8

No values listed for Bard , Okajima, Ramirez, Delcarmen, or other reserves.

Current Team Total 292.6

Arod 29.8

Teixeira 26

Sabathia 25.2

Granderson 25.2

Jeter 22.9

Vasquez 21.8

Cano 18.3

Posada 16.3

Johnson 15.4

Burnett 15.1

Swisher 14.8

Hughes 13.7

Pettitte 13.1

Chamberlain 11.9

Gardiner 10.7

Rivera 10.1

Robertson 5.6

No values listed for Aceves, Mitre, Gaudin or other reserves.

Current Team Total 295.9

Bear in mind that the Sox have 21 players listed vs only 17 for the Yankees.

(When I have time I will see what I can dig up on the Rays for comparison.)

 

[the moops]

Their bench has the likes of Hermida and Kotchman (both every day players on other clubs)

Kotchman was traded yesterday

 

[shadyridr]

Their bench has the likes of Hermida and Kotchman (both every day players on other clubs)

Kotchman was traded yesterday

to SEA for Bill Hall & a minor leaguer

 

[Eephus]

Their bench has the likes of Hermida and Kotchman (both every day players on other clubs)

Kotchman was traded yesterday

to SEA for Bill Hall & a minor leaguer

...and some (most?) of Milwaukee's contribution to Hall's salary

 

[the moops]

Their bench has the likes of Hermida and Kotchman (both every day players on other clubs)

Kotchman was traded yesterday

to SEA for Bill Hall & a minor leaguer

...and some (most?) of Milwaukee's contribution to Hall's salary

Pretty sure all of MIL's contribution. Hall sucks, but he costs nothing, can play 5 positions, and has a small chance at reverting back to his old slugging self.An overall meh move. Kotchman is going yo an already awful offensive team, so his great glove, bad bat should fit right in

 

[proninja]

I'm hearing 1 year for 9 million, with a player option in 2011 for 5 million.

Good deal for the Sox. The guy's glove is worth close to 9 million, so even if his bat last year was what you get, still not terrible. Fangraphs has him as being worth 10.7 million last year.

would love to see how they come up with that value for a corner infielder that hit 8 homers, drove in 44 runs, and had an 82 ops+ simply ridiculous

The theory behind it is very complex, and difficult for the average layperson to understand. It's that a run saved = a run earned.Boston, you're going to love Beltre, and he's going to love the Monster. As mentioned previously, he'll be worth his contract value with his glove alone, and in my opinion you'll be pleasantly surprised by his bat. I thought of Beltre when looking at this this morning.

I would have loved to keep him around, but his value just isn't maximized in Safeco field. At all.

 

[proninja]

FYI I don't play on the teamgood luck with judging hitters by HR. Honestly I thought you were a smarter fan, S

wOBA would blow his mind

 

[Guster]

Ellsbury 131 - 87 - 97

Pedroia 112 -122 - 110

Martinez 129 - 88 -127

Youkilis 117 - 143 - 145

Ortiz 171 -123 - 101

Drew 105 - 137- 133

Cameron 104 - 111 - 111

Beltre 112 - 108 - 82

Scutaro 88 - 88 - 111

To expect that lineup to stay healthy is asking for a miracle. Cameron, Drew, Ortiz, Beltre are all old and injury prone and proven so with history. Throw in Vmart who is also getting up there and has quite a few miles on him, that lineup will definately have alot of injuries to deal with, and it's not that good to begin with. That lineup won't be winning championships, they should have done whatever it took to keep Bay.

You think Bay would be the difference? He had a solid year, and carried the team early in the year, but didn't you just call the roster old and injury prone? Bay would help that? He would have been a great signing, but he is a poor defender and the Mets greatly overspent there.Pedroia, Youklis, Drew, and Martinez are the great hitters in that lineup. Ellsbury is still young and developing. Cameron and Beltre are hackers who will get crushed by good pitching. Ortiz is a one trick pony now who should be platooned. Scutaro is an offensive improvement at SS. I hope the Sox aren't done dealing, but with Beltre signed, I have a bad feeling they are.

That's doing an injustice to poor defenders everwhere. Bay is fast becoming a liability in the field. His agent did a great job of milking the Mets for all he could. I see this as another case of the Sox placing a value on a guy and not budging off from that. I can totally respect that. While the Sox lineup doesn't look entirely fearsome, the fact of the matter is that they're trying to structure their team around pitching and defense while still maintaining an efficient lineup.

 

[the moops]

Ellsbury 131 - 87 - 97

Pedroia 112 -122 - 110

Martinez 129 - 88 -127

Youkilis 117 - 143 - 145

Ortiz 171 -123 - 101

Drew 105 - 137- 133

Cameron 104 - 111 - 111

Beltre 112 - 108 - 82

Scutaro 88 - 88 - 111

To expect that lineup to stay healthy is asking for a miracle. Cameron, Drew, Ortiz, Beltre are all old and injury prone and proven so with history. Throw in Vmart who is also getting up there and has quite a few miles on him, that lineup will definately have alot of injuries to deal with, and it's not that good to begin with. That lineup won't be winning championships, they should have done whatever it took to keep Bay.

You think Bay would be the difference? He had a solid year, and carried the team early in the year, but didn't you just call the roster old and injury prone? Bay would help that? He would have been a great signing, but he is a poor defender and the Mets greatly overspent there.Pedroia, Youklis, Drew, and Martinez are the great hitters in that lineup. Ellsbury is still young and developing. Cameron and Beltre are hackers who will get crushed by good pitching. Ortiz is a one trick pony now who should be platooned. Scutaro is an offensive improvement at SS. I hope the Sox aren't done dealing, but with Beltre signed, I have a bad feeling they are.

That's doing an injustice to poor defenders everwhere. Bay is fast becoming a liability in the field. His agent did a great job of milking the Mets for all he could. I see this as another case of the Sox placing a value on a guy and not budging off from that. I can totally respect that. While the Sox lineup doesn't look entirely fearsome, the fact of the matter is that they're trying to structure their team around pitching and defense while still maintaining an efficient lineup.

Apparently Bay and SOx had a 4 year, 60 million deal in July. But an MRI showing damage in both knees shot that down.