Bench Coach- Trade/Pickup Advice (1 Viewer)

[The Flying Elvis]

Ask your questions about trades, draft and lineup advice here. Makes it easier than separate threads for every question someone has.

 

[the moops]

Who is available at 1.1?

 

[Eephus]

If you assume the best 48 players are kept, the 49th pick (1.1) isn't worth the 60th (1.12) plus a third rounder. It's like anything else involving the draft calculator, if the player you really want is there to be picked, sometimes giving up more valuable choices is the smart thing to do.

 

[The Flying Elvis]

Who is available at 1.1?

Not entirely known yet but from my knowledge of the league and some guesses on who people will keep this is a potential list:Ian KinslerTommy HansonJason HeywardJason WerthJustin MorneauBrandon PhillipsRoy OswaltCole HamelsClayton KershawCurtis GrandersonAndre EitherVictor MartinezAlex RiosJonathon SanchezMatt GarzaJose BautistaRickie WeeksShane VictorinoJason BayJohan SantanaDan UgglaJay BruceAndrew McCutheonMark ReynoldsThat was just a quick list going through predicting keepers, as you can see not a ton of great players to go after because their will be around 40-48 players kept depending if some teams don't keep the max of 4. My thinking is the draft might begin to look pretty barren after the second round and will depend on people getting lucky and hitting on some sleepers. My thinking is if I move up to either take Kinsler/Uggla or go after a pitcher like Kershaw.

 

[Eephus]

Who is available at 1.1?

Not entirely known yet but from my knowledge of the league and some guesses on who people will keep this is a potential list:That was just a quick list going through predicting keepers, as you can see not a ton of great players to go after because their will be around 40-48 players kept depending if some teams don't keep the max of 4. My thinking is the draft might begin to look pretty barren after the second round and will depend on people getting lucky and hitting on some sleepers. My thinking is if I move up to either take Kinsler/Uggla or go after a pitcher like Kershaw.

I'd look at ADP for round 7 redraft picks because that's what you'll be giving up in the transaction. There's still some decent talent in the #70-80 range which is where your third rounder would be. Personally, I wouldn't do the trade, you're giving up too much.

 

[The Flying Elvis]

I passed on the trade I was thinking of doing and made another move to acquire another keeper in Clayton Kershaw... I traded my 9th and 10th round pics (essentially 5-6th rounders) for him, maybe too much but I really wanted him especially in a keeper and think I got him on the cheap comparitively in this league as Josh Johnson and Jason Heyward had netted 7th rounders (3rd) in separate deals. I have the extra 7th (3rd) to make up for losing the mid round picks...

My next dilemma is now who to keep as my 4th keeper between Zack Greinke and David Price. I am drawn to Greinke's move to the NL plus a better team which should equal more wins and lower ERA but Price is a bit younger and posted some great numbers last year even though the numbers say he may have been a bit lucky.

So who do you keep as your 4th keepers, Greinke or Price? Thanks

 

[the moops]

I passed on the trade I was thinking of doing and made another move to acquire another keeper in Clayton Kershaw... I traded my 9th and 10th round pics (essentially 5-6th rounders) for him, maybe too much but I really wanted him especially in a keeper and think I got him on the cheap comparitively in this league as Josh Johnson and Jason Heyward had netted 7th rounders (3rd) in separate deals. I have the extra 7th (3rd) to make up for losing the mid round picks...My next dilemma is now who to keep as my 4th keeper between Zack Greinke and David Price. I am drawn to Greinke's move to the NL plus a better team which should equal more wins and lower ERA but Price is a bit younger and posted some great numbers last year even though the numbers say he may have been a bit lucky.So who do you keep as your 4th keepers, Greinke or Price? Thanks

I would have kept the 5th and 6th rounders and both Price and Geinke.

 

[Bobcat10]

Fancy up the title and it probably could work.

Anyways, 10 team dynasty....Yahoo H2H category league. Would you trade Kemp to get Carlos Santana? Straight up deal. My catcher is Ruiz (at least he was at the end of last season) and my OFs would be Choo, Stanton, and Ethier post trade. I'd be able to slot a decent player in the Util spot that usually was my 4th OF. I have Loney, Morrison and Freeman on the bench and will be able to find good players on the wire if need be.

 

[The Flying Elvis]

Fancy up the title and it probably could work.Anyways, 10 team dynasty....Yahoo H2H category league. Would you trade Kemp to get Carlos Santana? Straight up deal. My catcher is Ruiz (at least he was at the end of last season) and my OFs would be Choo, Stanton, and Ethier post trade. I'd be able to slot a decent player in the Util spot that usually was my 4th OF. I have Loney, Morrison and Freeman on the bench and will be able to find good players on the wire if need be.

Not sure I would do that. Carlos Santana has the look of a stud catcher in the future but Kemp is still young and entering his prime. It's not as if this is someone on the downswing. Kemp had a bit of a down year last year but he is a young OFer with .300 30/30 potential. You look to be in good shape in the OF but just last year people had Kemp as a 1st round pick. If I was trading Kemp for a young catcher I would want to get Buster Posey. Also I am a little worried about Santana's ability to stay at catcher in the future (never like to see young catchers have knee problems), and if that is the case he is going to lose a decent amount of value as a 25 hr catcher is great but a 25 hr 1B/DH isn't as special.

 

[Bobcat10]

Fancy up the title and it probably could work.Anyways, 10 team dynasty....Yahoo H2H category league. Would you trade Kemp to get Carlos Santana? Straight up deal. My catcher is Ruiz (at least he was at the end of last season) and my OFs would be Choo, Stanton, and Ethier post trade. I'd be able to slot a decent player in the Util spot that usually was my 4th OF. I have Loney, Morrison and Freeman on the bench and will be able to find good players on the wire if need be.

Not sure I would do that. Carlos Santana has the look of a stud catcher in the future but Kemp is still young and entering his prime. It's not as if this is someone on the downswing. Kemp had a bit of a down year last year but he is a young OFer with .300 30/30 potential. You look to be in good shape in the OF but just last year people had Kemp as a 1st round pick. If I was trading Kemp for a young catcher I would want to get Buster Posey. Also I am a little worried about Santana's ability to stay at catcher in the future (never like to see young catchers have knee problems), and if that is the case he is going to lose a decent amount of value as a 25 hr catcher is great but a 25 hr 1B/DH isn't as special.

I'm not too worried about Santana in the future. I don't think that moves happens for a while. I also have Jesus Montero on my farm who I was hoping would get his shot this year.

 

[DoubleBandit]

I passed on the trade I was thinking of doing and made another move to acquire another keeper in Clayton Kershaw... I traded my 9th and 10th round pics (essentially 5-6th rounders) for him, maybe too much but I really wanted him especially in a keeper and think I got him on the cheap comparitively in this league as Josh Johnson and Jason Heyward had netted 7th rounders (3rd) in separate deals. I have the extra 7th (3rd) to make up for losing the mid round picks...My next dilemma is now who to keep as my 4th keeper between Zack Greinke and David Price. I am drawn to Greinke's move to the NL plus a better team which should equal more wins and lower ERA but Price is a bit younger and posted some great numbers last year even though the numbers say he may have been a bit lucky.So who do you keep as your 4th keepers, Greinke or Price? Thanks

I think I'd rather have Greinke for this year but Price for the future. Do you think you are position to win this year?

 

[The Flying Elvis]

I passed on the trade I was thinking of doing and made another move to acquire another keeper in Clayton Kershaw... I traded my 9th and 10th round pics (essentially 5-6th rounders) for him, maybe too much but I really wanted him especially in a keeper and think I got him on the cheap comparitively in this league as Josh Johnson and Jason Heyward had netted 7th rounders (3rd) in separate deals. I have the extra 7th (3rd) to make up for losing the mid round picks...My next dilemma is now who to keep as my 4th keeper between Zack Greinke and David Price. I am drawn to Greinke's move to the NL plus a better team which should equal more wins and lower ERA but Price is a bit younger and posted some great numbers last year even though the numbers say he may have been a bit lucky.So who do you keep as your 4th keepers, Greinke or Price? Thanks

I think I'd rather have Greinke for this year but Price for the future. Do you think you are position to win this year?

Yah, I won last year after starting off 2-7 and then made trades to gut my team for picks and keepers but along the way I hit a stride with some WW pickups and ended up winning the championship. I have Hanley Ramirez, Albert Pujols (traded a lot to get him last year), Clayton Kershaw and Price or Greinke as my keepers so just by having HanRam and Pujols alone I should be in a good position to contend.

 

[The Flying Elvis]

Fancy up the title and it probably could work.Anyways, 10 team dynasty....Yahoo H2H category league. Would you trade Kemp to get Carlos Santana? Straight up deal. My catcher is Ruiz (at least he was at the end of last season) and my OFs would be Choo, Stanton, and Ethier post trade. I'd be able to slot a decent player in the Util spot that usually was my 4th OF. I have Loney, Morrison and Freeman on the bench and will be able to find good players on the wire if need be.

Not sure I would do that. Carlos Santana has the look of a stud catcher in the future but Kemp is still young and entering his prime. It's not as if this is someone on the downswing. Kemp had a bit of a down year last year but he is a young OFer with .300 30/30 potential. You look to be in good shape in the OF but just last year people had Kemp as a 1st round pick. If I was trading Kemp for a young catcher I would want to get Buster Posey. Also I am a little worried about Santana's ability to stay at catcher in the future (never like to see young catchers have knee problems), and if that is the case he is going to lose a decent amount of value as a 25 hr catcher is great but a 25 hr 1B/DH isn't as special.

I'm not too worried about Santana in the future. I don't think that moves happens for a while. I also have Jesus Montero on my farm who I was hoping would get his shot this year.

Since you have Montero on your farm, I probably wouldn't do this trade unless you end up getting more in the deal. Montero could be ready as soon as the mid point of this season and if not then definitely next season so you will have a potential stud catcher already and that IMO somewhat lessens the need for Santana.

 

[rodg12]

Have a keeper question that I've really been struggling with. 12 team, 5x5 roto auction league. Big rosters (start 27 - 2 of every infield position, 6 OFs, 1 util hitter, 10 pitchers).

Hitter cats: OBP, R, HR, RBI, SB

Pitcher cats: ERA, WHIP, K/BB, W, Hld+S

I'm already keeping Morrow (0), Ubaldo (1), Kuroda (4), Soto (6), Latos (7), McCutchen (7), AGon (22).

Final keeper is down to J. Montero (0), Posada (7), Soria (17).

What do you guys think?

 

[The Flying Elvis]

Have a keeper question that I've really been struggling with. 12 team, 5x5 roto auction league. Big rosters (start 27 - 2 of every infield position, 6 OFs, 1 util hitter, 10 pitchers).Hitter cats: OBP, R, HR, RBI, SBPitcher cats: ERA, WHIP, K/BB, W, Hld+SI'm already keeping Morrow (0), Ubaldo (1), Kuroda (4), Soto (6), Latos (7), McCutchen (7), AGon (22).Final keeper is down to J. Montero (0), Posada (7), Soria (17).What do you guys think?

I probably go with Montero here. Soria looks overpriced at 17 if AGon is only 22.

 

[The Flying Elvis]

Question I have just been going back and forth on today.... Do you keep Jose Bautista (3B/OF) over Zach Greinke if your 3 other keepers are Pujols, Hanley Ramirez and Kershaw? I have the last pick in the first round of the keeper draft, here are a list of the best potential hitters and pitchers who won't be kept:

Hitters:

Kinsler

Hamilton

Dunn

Choo

McCutchen

V-Mart

Werth

Rios

Weeks

Pitchers:

Price

Hamels

Weaver

Oswalt

Haren

Hanson

Danks

Hudson

Scherzer

 

[Eephus]

I'm not a big believer in Bautista but I'd still keep him over another SP. 3B eligibility is a big factor as well. It's a shallower position than usual this year.

 

[rodg12]

Have a keeper question that I've really been struggling with. 12 team, 5x5 roto auction league. Big rosters (start 27 - 2 of every infield position, 6 OFs, 1 util hitter, 10 pitchers).Hitter cats: OBP, R, HR, RBI, SBPitcher cats: ERA, WHIP, K/BB, W, Hld+SI'm already keeping Morrow (0), Ubaldo (1), Kuroda (4), Soto (6), Latos (7), McCutchen (7), AGon (22).Final keeper is down to J. Montero (0), Posada (7), Soria (17).What do you guys think?

I probably go with Montero here. Soria looks overpriced at 17 if AGon is only 22.

AGon's 22 because this will be the 3rd (and last) year I've had him and I got him at a good deal that first year to boot. Soria will probably go for the low-mid 20s this year. That's part of what's making this tough. Soria's not a huge value at that price, but he's so dang good in this format that I'm hesitant to throw him back.

 

[Bobcat10]

I think I'm on board with you guys about Santana in the dynasty league. The more I look at it and with Montero coming hopefully soon it doesn't make much sense. The homer in me was pondering though.

I did have some other stuff brewing with Kemp and was just offered both of these deals from the same owner:

I give Kemp and Freeman

I get AdGonzalez and Mazzaro

I give Ethier and Prado

I get Cano and Raff Betancourt

My current hitters:

Catcher, Votto, Prado, Andrus, Zimmerman, Kemp, Ethier, Choo, Stanton. Bench Freeman, Loney, and Morrison (of only)...Ackley, Montero, Smoak and Carter in minors.

I don't really need Mazzaro or Raffy (is he closing?)...but we still have a two round entry draft to complete coming up where I know there will be some value players and I could ask for a pick. What you think?

edit:

The other day I did reject Kemp, Zimm, Freeman and Prado for AGonz, Cano, Cantu and LScott.

 

[Eephus]

10 team leagues with small lineups are hard to figure because there's so much value on the bench. I'd pass on the Gonzalez trade. You're giving up SBs and creating a logjam at 1B.

The Cano offer is more interesting. He's an upgrade over Prado; Prado's positional eligibility is nice but maybe not such a big factor in a small league. Ethier isn't guaranteed to outperform Morrison. Betancourt is totally droppable unless wasting time on the mound is one of your scoring categories.

 

[Bobcat10]

10 team leagues with small lineups are hard to figure because there's so much value on the bench. I'd pass on the Gonzalez trade. You're giving up SBs and creating a logjam at 1B.The Cano offer is more interesting. He's an upgrade over Prado; Prado's positional eligibility is nice but maybe not such a big factor in a small league. Ethier isn't guaranteed to outperform Morrison. Betancourt is totally droppable unless wasting time on the mound is one of your scoring categories.

Sorry if you just read that post I wasn't totally clear...Votto and AGonz would be in my 1B and Util spots, so really no logjam. That fourth OF listed in my hitters was Util. Also, it's Yahoo H2H not full season Roto where SB might be more of a factor. There are 10 players with 29 or more SBs from last year on our wire currently and about that many 20 hr players.

 

[Eephus]

10 team leagues with small lineups are hard to figure because there's so much value on the bench. I'd pass on the Gonzalez trade. You're giving up SBs and creating a logjam at 1B.The Cano offer is more interesting. He's an upgrade over Prado; Prado's positional eligibility is nice but maybe not such a big factor in a small league. Ethier isn't guaranteed to outperform Morrison. Betancourt is totally droppable unless wasting time on the mound is one of your scoring categories.

Sorry if you just read that post I wasn't totally clear...Votto and AGonz would be in my 1B and Util spots, so really no logjam. That fourth OF listed in my hitters was Util. Also, it's Yahoo H2H not full season Roto where SB might be more of a factor. There are 10 players with 29 or more SBs from last year on our wire currently and about that many 20 hr players.

Well, that makes the Gonzalez proposal more interesting. The smaller the league, the more important it is to pick up the absolute top players. Gonzalez and Cano are the best players in their respective trades.The problem with the waiver wire SB threats is that none will contribute in other categories like Kemp. I'd still favor the second trade.

 

[rodg12]

10 team leagues with small lineups are hard to figure because there's so much value on the bench. I'd pass on the Gonzalez trade. You're giving up SBs and creating a logjam at 1B.The Cano offer is more interesting. He's an upgrade over Prado; Prado's positional eligibility is nice but maybe not such a big factor in a small league. Ethier isn't guaranteed to outperform Morrison. Betancourt is totally droppable unless wasting time on the mound is one of your scoring categories.

Sorry if you just read that post I wasn't totally clear...Votto and AGonz would be in my 1B and Util spots, so really no logjam. That fourth OF listed in my hitters was Util. Also, it's Yahoo H2H not full season Roto where SB might be more of a factor. There are 10 players with 29 or more SBs from last year on our wire currently and about that many 20 hr players.

Well, that makes the Gonzalez proposal more interesting. The smaller the league, the more important it is to pick up the absolute top players. Gonzalez and Cano are the best players in their respective trades.The problem with the waiver wire SB threats is that none will contribute in other categories like Kemp. I'd still favor the second trade.

I agree with Eephus. I think the 2nd trade is the way to go.

 

[DoubleBandit]

I agree

 

[The Flying Elvis]

I feel like I'm just spamming this thread but need some input on a series of trades I just made in a ESPN 12 team h2h points keeper.

At the start of the day I was keeping Albert Pujols, Hanley Ramirez, Clayton Kershaw and Jose Bautista. I also had David Price and Zach Greinke on my bench and both were likely to be dumped back into the draft pool.

So today I made two trades, the first being, I traded David Price for Andrew McCutchen. The owner of McCutchen had just lost Wainwright and wanted some pitching and wasn't going to keep McCutchen, so it made sense. I really like McCutchen and would have tried to get him at my 5.12 (1st round of draft) pick but was positive he wasn't going to make it to me. So with this trade made I had Pujols, Ramirez, Kershaw and McCutchen as my 4 keepers.

I was then able to move Jose Bautista and my 5.12 pick to an owner for his 5.5 (1st four rounds are reserved for keepers). I know I gave up a lot but I had no keeper spot for Bautista and wasn't going to get anything else for him and figured it was better than dropping him back into the pool and getting nothing for him, he also wasn't going to make it to my 5.12 pick if I did.

So at the end of today I now have:

Pujols, Ramirez, Kershaw, McCutchen and the 1.5 aka 5.5 pick in the draft instead of Pujols, Ramirez, Kershaw, Bautista and the 1.12 aka 5.12 pick. The immediate downgrade from McCutchen to Bautista seems to hurt a bit but I figure with Pujols and Ramirez anchoring my squad I can take a chance on McCutchen's potential and there is no guarantee Bautista continues to be a stud.

Any thoughts on the deals would be appreciated.

 

[Bobcat10]

I feel like I'm just spamming this thread but need some input on a series of trades I just made in a ESPN 12 team h2h points keeper.At the start of the day I was keeping Albert Pujols, Hanley Ramirez, Clayton Kershaw and Jose Bautista. I also had David Price and Zach Greinke on my bench and both were likely to be dumped back into the draft pool.So today I made two trades, the first being, I traded David Price for Andrew McCutchen. The owner of McCutchen had just lost Wainwright and wanted some pitching and wasn't going to keep McCutchen, so it made sense. I really like McCutchen and would have tried to get him at my 5.12 (1st round of draft) pick but was positive he wasn't going to make it to me. So with this trade made I had Pujols, Ramirez, Kershaw and McCutchen as my 4 keepers.I was then able to move Jose Bautista and my 5.12 pick to an owner for his 5.5 (1st four rounds are reserved for keepers). I know I gave up a lot but I had no keeper spot for Bautista and wasn't going to get anything else for him and figured it was better than dropping him back into the pool and getting nothing for him, he also wasn't going to make it to my 5.12 pick if I did. So at the end of today I now haveujols, Ramirez, Kershaw, McCutchen and the 1.5 aka 5.5 pick in the draft instead of Pujols, Ramirez, Kershaw, Bautista and the 1.12 aka 5.12 pick. The immediate downgrade from McCutchen to Bautista seems to hurt a bit but I figure with Pujols and Ramirez anchoring my squad I can take a chance on McCutchen's potential and there is no guarantee Bautista continues to be a stud. Any thoughts on the deals would be appreciated.

I like those moves Elvis, especially if you like McCutchen alot. I might have tried to swing it so I could keep 5.12 while also getting 5.5, maybe giving him 7.12 for example...but that's maybe just nit picking.Have you tried moving Greinke for a pick in the 5th?

 

[Bobcat10]

{Dynasty, 10 team, Yahoo H2H Category - R/HR/RBI/SB/K/AVG/OPS and W/L/SV/K/HLD/ERA/WHIP}

So I did the Cano/Bentancourt trade where I gave up Ethier/Prado. Goodtimes!

Today, the same guy offers me some crazy trade (didn't include Gonzalez, but my counter did) and I countered with this:

I give Freeman, Colby Lewis, CJ Wilson, Gav Floyd, and Aardsma.

I get Adrian Gonzalez and Slowey.

He counters with:

I give Colby, CJ, Wandy, Neftali Feliz, and Andrew Bailey.

I get Gonzalez, Hunter, Vernon Wells, Slowey, Meek and Carlos Silva (I'd drop him).

Again, Gonzalez becomes my Util (have Votto). Hunter and Wells I don't really NEED (have Kemp, Stanton, Choo, Morrison), but he doesn't need them either. Here is my pitching:

SP - Ubaldo, Hanson, Price, Scherzer, Floyd, Wandy, CJ, and Colby

RP (can start 6 nightly) - Soria, Feliz, Aardsma, Bailey, Thornton, Kuo, Venters, Uehara, and Bentancourt (dropping Bentancourt in the draft for sure, had Uehara last year when he was getting saves)

Am I giving up too much to get Gonzalez in his offer? I think I'd do this trade, but I'm wondering if I could talk him down just a bit with a counter. I love Feliz, but I'm not sure what to think if he goes to the rotation because I don't really need him there now. I can scrap for saves (League, Francisco, Nunez, Sale if Thornton doesn't close...are all out there), then Aardsma gets healthy and hopefully he regains that job, plus I'm getting Meek.

 

[Bobcat10]

{Dynasty, 10 team, Yahoo H2H Category - R/HR/RBI/SB/K/AVG/OPS and W/L/SV/K/HLD/ERA/WHIP}

So I did the Cano/Bentancourt trade where I gave up Ethier/Prado. Goodtimes!

Today, the same guy offers me some crazy trade (didn't include Gonzalez, but my counter did) and I countered with this:

I give Freeman, Colby Lewis, CJ Wilson, Gav Floyd, and Aardsma.

I get Adrian Gonzalez and Slowey.

He counters with:

I give Colby, CJ, Wandy, Neftali Feliz, and Andrew Bailey.

I get Gonzalez, Hunter, Vernon Wells, Slowey, Meek and Carlos Silva (I'd drop him).

Again, Gonzalez becomes my Util (have Votto). Hunter and Wells I don't really NEED (have Kemp, Stanton, Choo, Morrison), but he doesn't need them either. Here is my pitching:

SP - Ubaldo, Hanson, Price, Scherzer, Floyd, Wandy, CJ, and Colby

RP (can start 6 nightly) - Soria, Feliz, Aardsma, Bailey, Thornton, Kuo, Venters, Uehara, and Bentancourt (dropping Bentancourt in the draft for sure, had Uehara last year when he was getting saves)

Am I giving up too much to get Gonzalez in his offer? I think I'd do this trade, but I'm wondering if I could talk him down just a bit with a counter. I love Feliz, but I'm not sure what to think if he goes to the rotation because I don't really need him there now. I can scrap for saves (League, Francisco, Nunez, Sale if Thornton doesn't close...are all out there), then Aardsma gets healthy and hopefully he regains that job, plus I'm getting Meek.

After I countered with:My Wandy, CJ, Colby, Aardsma and Bailey for his Gonzalez, Hunter, Wells, Meek and Slowey (I basically told him if he wants Wandy over Floyd then let's do Aardsma instead of Feliz).

He countered with:

My Wandy, CJ, Colby, Bailey and Kuo for his Gonzalez, Hunter, Austin Jackson, Meek and Slowey.

I accepted.

So, combining both trades it looks like this:

I get Cano, AdGonzalez, TorHunter, AusJackson, Meek, Slowey, and Betancourt

I give Ethier, Prado, Wandy, CJ, Colby, Bailey, and Kuo.

New rotster:

Hitting - Draft a catcher, Votto, Cano, Andrus, Zimmerman, Kemp, Choo, Stanton, and AdGonz.

Bench - Freeman, Loney, Hunter, AusJackson, and Morrison...plus Ackley, Montero, Smoak and Carter in minors.

Starting - Ubaldo, Hanson, Price, Scherzer, Floyd, Slowey

Relief (start 6 nightly)- Soria, Feliz, Aardsma, Thornton, Meek, Venters, Uehara, and Bentancourt

(drop Uehara and Betan in draft for SP's...have to figure out bench logjam and move probably 2 of Loney/AusJax/Hunter/Morrison/Freeman)

Pretty good, no?

 

[rodg12]

{Dynasty, 10 team, Yahoo H2H Category - R/HR/RBI/SB/K/AVG/OPS and W/L/SV/K/HLD/ERA/WHIP}

So I did the Cano/Bentancourt trade where I gave up Ethier/Prado. Goodtimes!

Today, the same guy offers me some crazy trade (didn't include Gonzalez, but my counter did) and I countered with this:

I give Freeman, Colby Lewis, CJ Wilson, Gav Floyd, and Aardsma.

I get Adrian Gonzalez and Slowey.

He counters with:

I give Colby, CJ, Wandy, Neftali Feliz, and Andrew Bailey.

I get Gonzalez, Hunter, Vernon Wells, Slowey, Meek and Carlos Silva (I'd drop him).

Again, Gonzalez becomes my Util (have Votto). Hunter and Wells I don't really NEED (have Kemp, Stanton, Choo, Morrison), but he doesn't need them either. Here is my pitching:

SP - Ubaldo, Hanson, Price, Scherzer, Floyd, Wandy, CJ, and Colby

RP (can start 6 nightly) - Soria, Feliz, Aardsma, Bailey, Thornton, Kuo, Venters, Uehara, and Bentancourt (dropping Bentancourt in the draft for sure, had Uehara last year when he was getting saves)

Am I giving up too much to get Gonzalez in his offer? I think I'd do this trade, but I'm wondering if I could talk him down just a bit with a counter. I love Feliz, but I'm not sure what to think if he goes to the rotation because I don't really need him there now. I can scrap for saves (League, Francisco, Nunez, Sale if Thornton doesn't close...are all out there), then Aardsma gets healthy and hopefully he regains that job, plus I'm getting Meek.

After I countered with:My Wandy, CJ, Colby, Aardsma and Bailey for his Gonzalez, Hunter, Wells, Meek and Slowey (I basically told him if he wants Wandy over Floyd then let's do Aardsma instead of Feliz).

He countered with:

My Wandy, CJ, Colby, Bailey and Kuo for his Gonzalez, Hunter, Austin Jackson, Meek and Slowey.

I accepted.

So, combining both trades it looks like this:

I get Cano, AdGonzalez, TorHunter, AusJackson, Meek, Slowey, and Betancourt

I give Ethier, Prado, Wandy, CJ, Colby, Bailey, and Kuo.

New rotster:

Hitting - Draft a catcher, Votto, Cano, Andrus, Zimmerman, Kemp, Choo, Stanton, and AdGonz.

Bench - Freeman, Loney, Hunter, AusJackson, and Morrison...plus Ackley, Montero, Smoak and Carter in minors.

Starting - Ubaldo, Hanson, Price, Scherzer, Floyd, Slowey

Relief (start 6 nightly)- Soria, Feliz, Aardsma, Thornton, Meek, Venters, Uehara, and Bentancourt

(drop Uehara and Betan in draft for SP's...have to figure out bench logjam and move probably 2 of Loney/AusJax/Hunter/Morrison/Freeman)

Pretty good, no?

That's good work, Bobcat. Got the best player in each of the deals. Dealt from areas of depth to strengthen the overall squad, plus was able to maintain very good depth.

 

[Man In The Box]

11 team roto. 5x5. We start 2 at each infield position, including catcher. Start 5 OF. We keep 3 players, but you can only keep a player for 1 year. Last year, I kept M. Holliday, Kemp, and M. Cabrera so I can't keep any of them. I'm definitely keeping R. Halladay and Hamilton. You must start the season playing a player at the position he is projected to play at the beginning of the season. That being said, my last keeper is between Youkilis and Jason Heyward. I'd have to play Youk at 3rd, which is a good thing since 1B is plenty deep. I pretty much know what to expect out of Youk as long as he's healthy, and I'm leaning towards keeping him. I just have this vision of Heyward putting it all together this year and being all world.

I'm picking last in the first round since I won last year, and there's no guarantee that either of these two will be there when I pick, depending on who else gets kept. Thoughts?

 

[Thunderlips]

12 team HTH....our system is that you can keep up to five players for three years at the expense of the round the player was drafted in. Out of the following who would you keep?

Player (round drafted)(years left of eligibility)

Han Ram (1) (3)

McCutchen (7) (3)

Price (8) (3)

Scherzer (9) (2)

Buccholz (10) (3)

Kemp (11) (1)

Hughes (15) (3)

Morrow (18) (3)

Personally, I think McCutchen and Price are no brainers....and Kemp being close to that despite only one year left.

Eligible players that would probably be first rounders are Braun, Lincecum, Mauer,Youklis, probably A-Rod, Utley and maybe Halladay and Sabathia.

Is Morrow at 18 and an ADP 9th or 10th rounder better than Buccholz and Scherzer and an ADP 18th rounder?

 

[rodg12]

11 team roto. 5x5. We start 2 at each infield position, including catcher. Start 5 OF. We keep 3 players, but you can only keep a player for 1 year. Last year, I kept M. Holliday, Kemp, and M. Cabrera so I can't keep any of them. I'm definitely keeping R. Halladay and Hamilton. You must start the season playing a player at the position he is projected to play at the beginning of the season. That being said, my last keeper is between Youkilis and Jason Heyward. I'd have to play Youk at 3rd, which is a good thing since 1B is plenty deep. I pretty much know what to expect out of Youk as long as he's healthy, and I'm leaning towards keeping him. I just have this vision of Heyward putting it all together this year and being all world. I'm picking last in the first round since I won last year, and there's no guarantee that either of these two will be there when I pick, depending on who else gets kept. Thoughts?

I'd keep Youk. Especially since you can play him at 3B out of the gate and draft a first baseman.

 

[rodg12]

12 team HTH....our system is that you can keep up to five players for three years at the expense of the round the player was drafted in. Out of the following who would you keep?Player (round drafted)(years left of eligibility)Han Ram (1) (3)McCutchen (7) (3)Price (8) (3)Scherzer (9) (2)Buccholz (10) (3)Kemp (11) (1)Hughes (15) (3)Morrow (18) (3)Personally, I think McCutchen and Price are no brainers....and Kemp being close to that despite only one year left.Eligible players that would probably be first rounders are Braun, Lincecum, Mauer,Youklis, probably A-Rod, Utley and maybe Halladay and Sabathia. Is Morrow at 18 and an ADP 9th or 10th rounder better than Buccholz and Scherzer and an ADP 18th rounder?

Where's your first round pick at? Is it points H2H or roto?For sure you should keep McCutchen, Price and Kemp. Need those two questions answered before I can really decide on the last two. Even then, it's going to be tough.

 

[Thunderlips]

12 team HTH....our system is that you can keep up to five players for three years at the expense of the round the player was drafted in. Out of the following who would you keep?Player (round drafted)(years left of eligibility)Han Ram (1) (3)McCutchen (7) (3)Price (8) (3)Scherzer (9) (2)Buccholz (10) (3)Kemp (11) (1)Hughes (15) (3)Morrow (18) (3)Personally, I think McCutchen and Price are no brainers....and Kemp being close to that despite only one year left.Eligible players that would probably be first rounders are Braun, Lincecum, Mauer,Youklis, probably A-Rod, Utley and maybe Halladay and Sabathia. Is Morrow at 18 and an ADP 9th or 10th rounder better than Buccholz and Scherzer and an ADP 18th rounder?

Where's your first round pick at? Is it points H2H or roto?For sure you should keep McCutchen, Price and Kemp. Need those two questions answered before I can really decide on the last two. Even then, it's going to be tough.

H2H points, weekly lineup.The way we do draft slots is that go worst to first....but allow teams to pick where they want to draft. I finished in the middle...so I'm looking at about picking my slot 7th. Out of the guys in front of me....they have the option of in order(first guy traded me Han-Ram so he doesn't have a pick, Haren, Texiera,Pujols, Sabathia, Utley).....so I have to figure I'm on the bubble with Han-Ram being there for me.

 

[rodg12]

12 team HTH....our system is that you can keep up to five players for three years at the expense of the round the player was drafted in. Out of the following who would you keep?Player (round drafted)(years left of eligibility)Han Ram (1) (3)McCutchen (7) (3)Price (8) (3)Scherzer (9) (2)Buccholz (10) (3)Kemp (11) (1)Hughes (15) (3)Morrow (18) (3)Personally, I think McCutchen and Price are no brainers....and Kemp being close to that despite only one year left.Eligible players that would probably be first rounders are Braun, Lincecum, Mauer,Youklis, probably A-Rod, Utley and maybe Halladay and Sabathia. Is Morrow at 18 and an ADP 9th or 10th rounder better than Buccholz and Scherzer and an ADP 18th rounder?

Where's your first round pick at? Is it points H2H or roto?For sure you should keep McCutchen, Price and Kemp. Need those two questions answered before I can really decide on the last two. Even then, it's going to be tough.

H2H points, weekly lineup.The way we do draft slots is that go worst to first....but allow teams to pick where they want to draft. I finished in the middle...so I'm looking at about picking my slot 7th. Out of the guys in front of me....they have the option of in order(first guy traded me Han-Ram so he doesn't have a pick, Haren, Texiera,Pujols, Sabathia, Utley).....so I have to figure I'm on the bubble with Han-Ram being there for me.

I'd probably keep Hanley and Morrow with those last two spots.

 

[The Flying Elvis]

ESPN 12 team 2nd year H2H keeper, keep 4.

I traded:

7th rd (80 overall) ***Essentially 3rd rd pick***

13th rd (156th overall) *** 9th ***

I received:

60th rd (70th overall) ***Essentially 2nd rd pick***

20th rd (238 overall) *** 16th ***

It is a keeper league so the 1st 4 rounds of the draft are reserved for everyone's keeper selections. So RD 5 is the beginning of the draft and 6th would be round 2 of available players.

My logic was that I was moving up 10 picks to gain quality because with 48 players taken before the draft, a vast majority of the quality will be gone by the 3rd round. Want to get some of the studs that will still be available before I dip into the Corey Hart's of the world. I feel confident enough in my ability to work the WW and pick up sleepers to make up for giving up a mid round pick as compensation.

Any thoughts?

 

[tuffnutt]

quick trade question. got offered this

Verlander and Escobar (tor)for Tulo. I'm weak at pitching with Kershaw and oswalt as my top 2. I also have Elvis Andrus at SS. Should I do it??