Bernard Berrian "nearly certain" to not be a Bear next year. (1 Viewer)

[Max Power]

For those interested Bernard Berrian caught exactly 2 passes over the middle for 41 yards in 15 games this season.

So please continue with how well rounded he is.

LINK?BTW, your point about how much you are willing to spend on him is valid. I haven't looked up what the average dollars are for #1 WR's (I am sure that is out there), but I think he would get around the median because the very top few may skew the numbers. I would think 4- 4.5 mil is the right number (estimate)

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/6837/s...i14Qph.Dwf.uLYFAbout half way down it breaks out where he caught each pass.

I would Guess Berrian asks for Plaxico Burress type money. 5-6 Mil per.

I would like to use the Dante Stallworth signing as a base for Berrian, but I think Rosenhouse screwed up that deal and isnt likely to make the same mistake.

a clipping from the the stallworth Contract....

The deal -- negotiated by agent Drew Rosenhaus, who concluded a frenetic week in free agency by constructing a contract that met the needs of all parties -- can be as brief as one season or as lengthy as six. But for the Patriots to retain Stallworth beyond the 2007 season, a year in which he will make $3.6 million in bonuses and salary, New England will have to make a significant investment.

Stallworth will receive an initial signing bonus of $1 million, a roster bonus of $1.6 million and a $300,000 workout bonus, to go along with his 2007 base salary of $700,000. That totals $3.6 million for the coming season.

It's after the 2007 season, however, when the really big money could kick in.

For the Patriots to retain Stallworth for the 2008 season, they must pay him an option bonus of $6 million by Feb. 25, 2008. There is a subsequent roster bonus of $2 million due March 1, a second roster bonus of $1.6 million based on playing time, a base salary of $1 million and a $400,000 workout bonus. That totals an exorbitant $11 million for 2008, or a two-year total of $14.6 million.

To keep Stallworth for 2009, the Patriots would have to pay another option bonus, this one of $2 million, by Feb. 25 of that year. In terms of bonuses and base salary, the 2009 season would be worth $5 million to Stallworth, for a three-year total of $19.6 million.

Donte' Stallworth signed with New England on Sunday, potentially giving the Patriots the type of consistent deep-threat receiver they have not had in decades. Stallworth had 38 receptions at an average of 19.1 yards per catch in 2006 with the Eagles. The last New England player to average more than 19 yards per catch in a season of at least 35 receptions was the Steamer, Stanley Morgan, who averaged 19.5 yards per catch in 1985. Elias Says

The final three seasons of the contract all include workout bonuses of $500,000 each and base salaries of $4 million each. The maximum value of the contract, if the Patriots were

 

[KellysHeroes]

What's been said earlier I agree with- he's not a #1 WR, he's a good #2 WR.

Which is why he may land in Philly the home of #2 WR's pretendng to be #1's

I think Philly is happy with their WR core... Curtis turned into a great pick up.

 

[KellysHeroes]

This season's FA WR group isn't very strong. Berrian is probably the best of the bunch, which seems to get people thinking (maybe hoping) that he is this stud WR that has been trapped in a Bad Bears O, when that just isn't the case.

I think this is why guys like CJ want to get out... they see how much money is about to tossed around since the Cap goes up a bit. Where ever he gets signed, Berrian is going to get paid nicely... a team is going to pay up WR1 like money... 4 too 5+ a yr. If not Tagged; BB is going to have a nice off-season. Now he can turn into Plax or Burleson.... I hoping for more of a Plax type.

 

[Game Time]

What's been said earlier I agree with- he's not a #1 WR, he's a good #2 WR.

Which is why he may land in Philly the home of #2 WR's pretendng to be #1's

I think Philly is happy with their WR core... Curtis turned into a great pick up.

He definitely was.... The offense needs a speedster to work properly.. The offense with TO and Stallworth in it were potent and could score at any time.... Why do you think the TE (besides injuries) wasn't as effective as it usually was.... Safeties are up... Why do you thjink they didn't have the long plays like they used to..... The west coast offense Andy runs needs the home run threat in it to be at its most effective

 

[Donnybrook]

For those interested Bernard Berrian caught exactly 2 passes over the middle for 41 yards in 15 games this season.So please continue with how well rounded he is.

Thanks for the meaningless stats. This tells me more about the Bears offense than it tells me about Berrians ability. Muhammmed has caught 2 passes over the middle. According to these yahoo stats, Reggie Wayne has caught 2 passes over the middle. You can believe what you want but if you think that Berrian is nothing but a deep threat than you are sadly mistaken.

 

[Max Power]

For those interested Bernard Berrian caught exactly 2 passes over the middle for 41 yards in 15 games this season.So please continue with how well rounded he is.

Thanks for the meaningless stats. This tells me more about the Bears offense than it tells me about Berrians ability. Muhammmed has caught 2 passes over the middle. According to these yahoo stats, Reggie Wayne has caught 2 passes over the middle. You can believe what you want but if you think that Berrian is nothing but a deep threat than you are sadly mistaken.

I would love to hear what you think Berrian is...

 

[KellysHeroes]

For those interested Bernard Berrian caught exactly 2 passes over the middle for 41 yards in 15 games this season.So please continue with how well rounded he is.

Thanks for the meaningless stats. This tells me more about the Bears offense than it tells me about Berrians ability. Muhammmed has caught 2 passes over the middle. According to these yahoo stats, Reggie Wayne has caught 2 passes over the middle. You can believe what you want but if you think that Berrian is nothing but a deep threat than you are sadly mistaken.

The Fact he used a Stat produced by Yahoo was all I needed to know....

 

[maxwelledison]

Berrian is sissy with suspect hands. Enjoy.

 

[Max Power]

For those interested Bernard Berrian caught exactly 2 passes over the middle for 41 yards in 15 games this season.So please continue with how well rounded he is.

Thanks for the meaningless stats. This tells me more about the Bears offense than it tells me about Berrians ability. Muhammmed has caught 2 passes over the middle. According to these yahoo stats, Reggie Wayne has caught 2 passes over the middle. You can believe what you want but if you think that Berrian is nothing but a deep threat than you are sadly mistaken.

The Fact he used a Stat produced by Yahoo was all I needed to know....

Yahoo stats are not acurate? I thought Yahoo got all the info from Stats INC.

 

[Liquid Tension]

I disagree with the people who don't think Berrian is a #1 WR. He absolutely is. If you want to argue whether he is an average #1 WR or not than that is fair, but calling him a good #2 is incorrect.

Really? What makes him special? He is an average WR in NFL, and I have not seen much to make me think otherwise.

Not really sure what you mean when you say average NFL receiver? being the #1 receiver is a lot harder than being the #2 receiver on a team. So are you saying an average #1 or an average #2? or are you saying that if there are 150 WR's in the league he is about 75th (the average)?He has #1 WR speed and can go deep with the best in the league. He runs good outs and come backs. He cuts pretty well, but doesn't aggressively fight for balls. He had some drops this year, but in 06 his hands were excellent and I think overall his hands are pretty good. I think he is Chambers with better speed which puts him in the lower middle of the pack for #1 WR's (Chambers is near the bottom). Let's put it this way, I think he is better than almost all #2's in the league and better than about 1/3 of the #1's and has upside to be a top 10-15 guy.

Sorry, I should have been a bit more clear. I would probably put Berrian in top 30-35 range. IMO his upside would top out in the 18-22 range.You are correct, he does run the go,outs, and comebacks like an all pro. But that is where it ends. He runs a decent slant route, nothing special. He can not take a quick a screen and turn it into anything. A total non-factor going across the middle. His blocking is sub par.Hands are becoming more of an issue. It wasn't really the amount of drops this season as it was the "drive killer" drops. Again looking at his stat breakdown, he caught 43 of his 71 passes outside the hashmarks. That is his comfort zone. IMO a good #1 should be all over the field. I think the Chris Chambers comparison is right on the money. Berrian is the type of guy that would thrive in the right system. If he is your #1, hopefully the team has a very solid corps behind him. If you are relying on him to be the bigtime gamebreaker, you will end up with similar production to his past season in Chicago.This season's FA WR group isn't very strong. Berrian is probably the best of the bunch, which seems to get people thinking (maybe hoping) that he is this stud WR that has been trapped in a Bad Bears O, when that just isn't the case.As for the posters who think it would be a mistake by the Bears to let him walk. In reality it is actually the smart thing to do. Berrian will be asking for top 10 money, and will probably get it. He just isn't worth that. At least not to the Bears. The Bears can plug in Mark Bradley and lose just a slight bit of production, while saving a great deal of money.

Thanks for the response...I guess we differ on where he is now as I believe he already is in that 18-22 range you discuss as being his top end. You have to remember that he has had a weak QB and he plays in a very windy and cold home stadium compared to a dome. I think he is better than you think as I do not see 30 WR's better than him. That being said, if he wants top 10 money then it is not wrong for the Bears to let him go get it.

 

[Liquid Tension]

For those interested Bernard Berrian caught exactly 2 passes over the middle for 41 yards in 15 games this season.

So please continue with how well rounded he is.

LINK?BTW, your point about how much you are willing to spend on him is valid. I haven't looked up what the average dollars are for #1 WR's (I am sure that is out there), but I think he would get around the median because the very top few may skew the numbers. I would think 4- 4.5 mil is the right number (estimate)

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/6837/s...i14Qph.Dwf.uLYFAbout half way down it breaks out where he caught each pass.

I believe you are looking at the chart wrong. It is not saying he only caught two passes over the middle (as I have seen him catch plenty of quick slants over the middle), the chart is saying in the 4 games he lined up (I assume on the LOS) he only caught 2 passes. The same chart shows that Mushin Muhammad only caught 2 passes when lined up in the middle as well. I don't know how they are designating "middle" but it is not catching balls in the middle of the field.

 

[KellysHeroes]

For those interested Bernard Berrian caught exactly 2 passes over the middle for 41 yards in 15 games this season.So please continue with how well rounded he is.

Thanks for the meaningless stats. This tells me more about the Bears offense than it tells me about Berrians ability. Muhammmed has caught 2 passes over the middle. According to these yahoo stats, Reggie Wayne has caught 2 passes over the middle. You can believe what you want but if you think that Berrian is nothing but a deep threat than you are sadly mistaken.

The Fact he used a Stat produced by Yahoo was all I needed to know....

Yahoo stats are not acurate? I thought Yahoo got all the info from Stats INC.

When they say Middle... they must mean Square in the Middle of the field... because they say Wayne only had 2, Fitz only had 6... thats . I believe you to add up the Right / Middle / Left #s and you get what most of us consider the "Middle of the Field"That comes too 28 of his 71 Recs / 367 of his 951 yds / 0 TDs have come from the Middle.

 

[Zoomanji]

Don't know if this was posted bu according to NFL Radio unpadte, Angelo is considering using the franchise tag on Berrian.

So it looks like they want him back

 

[massraider]

Don't know if this was posted bu according to NFL Radio unpadte, Angelo is considering using the franchise tag on Berrian.So it looks like they want him back

I don't think there was ever a doubt they wanted him back. I think it may surprise people if they do franchise him.But it's the right move, IMO. They can try and extend his deal, or trade him. The cap has jumped significantly, so they can afford to overpay him for a year.

 

[BelichicksRevenge]

I just can't see how Berrian deserves to be paid as one of the top 10 WRs in the game. Not good business. Berrian is good, but he's really a WR2, not a WR1. I have heard the rumors that the Bears are going to ask Muhammed to restructure his deal and let Berrian go. I think that is the right move.

Berrian would make a nice no. 2 receiver but he is not a number 1.

 

[BelichicksRevenge]

For those interested Bernard Berrian caught exactly 2 passes over the middle for 41 yards in 15 games this season.

So please continue with how well rounded he is.

LINK?BTW, your point about how much you are willing to spend on him is valid. I haven't looked up what the average dollars are for #1 WR's (I am sure that is out there), but I think he would get around the median because the very top few may skew the numbers. I would think 4- 4.5 mil is the right number (estimate)

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/6837/s...i14Qph.Dwf.uLYFAbout half way down it breaks out where he caught each pass.

I would Guess Berrian asks for Plaxico Burress type money. 5-6 Mil per.

I would like to use the Dante Stallworth signing as a base for Berrian, but I think Rosenhouse screwed up that deal and isnt likely to make the same mistake.

a clipping from the the stallworth Contract....

The deal -- negotiated by agent Drew Rosenhaus, who concluded a frenetic week in free agency by constructing a contract that met the needs of all parties -- can be as brief as one season or as lengthy as six. But for the Patriots to retain Stallworth beyond the 2007 season, a year in which he will make $3.6 million in bonuses and salary, New England will have to make a significant investment.

Stallworth will receive an initial signing bonus of $1 million, a roster bonus of $1.6 million and a $300,000 workout bonus, to go along with his 2007 base salary of $700,000. That totals $3.6 million for the coming season.

It's after the 2007 season, however, when the really big money could kick in.

For the Patriots to retain Stallworth for the 2008 season, they must pay him an option bonus of $6 million by Feb. 25, 2008. There is a subsequent roster bonus of $2 million due March 1, a second roster bonus of $1.6 million based on playing time, a base salary of $1 million and a $400,000 workout bonus. That totals an exorbitant $11 million for 2008, or a two-year total of $14.6 million.

To keep Stallworth for 2009, the Patriots would have to pay another option bonus, this one of $2 million, by Feb. 25 of that year. In terms of bonuses and base salary, the 2009 season would be worth $5 million to Stallworth, for a three-year total of $19.6 million.

Donte' Stallworth signed with New England on Sunday, potentially giving the Patriots the type of consistent deep-threat receiver they have not had in decades. Stallworth had 38 receptions at an average of 19.1 yards per catch in 2006 with the Eagles. The last New England player to average more than 19 yards per catch in a season of at least 35 receptions was the Steamer, Stanley Morgan, who averaged 19.5 yards per catch in 1985. Elias Says

The final three seasons of the contract all include workout bonuses of $500,000 each and base salaries of $4 million each. The maximum value of the contract, if the Patriots were

Stallworth's contract was an interesting one. He was not getting much interest so he basically signed a contract that was easy for the pats to digest for a year. He figured to be Tom Bradys number 1 target and either the pats would pick up the remaining the contract or he would be in a better position to sign a bigger contract elsewhere. This was all done before Randy Moss was on the radar. The Past obviously will not pay him the rest of the contaract and he will be gone unless he renogotiates with them. He did not end up putting up the big numbers because of Moss and will be in the same position he was inlast off season. He is a better WR than Berrian though.

 

[KellysHeroes]

I just can't see how Berrian deserves to be paid as one of the top 10 WRs in the game. Not good business. Berrian is good, but he's really a WR2, not a WR1. I have heard the rumors that the Bears are going to ask Muhammed to restructure his deal and let Berrian go. I think that is the right move.

Berrian would make a nice no. 2 receiver but he is not a number 1.

If he had a Decent QB... not even a good QB, just an avg QB that doesn't fumble snaps, and toss an an avg Running Game to spread the Ds a little... BB would be a break out star. How many QB changes was made in Chi-town 4, 5! Come on, what WR is going to excel in that situation... even the might Steve Smith couldn't over come that.

 

[Liquid Tension]

I just can't see how Berrian deserves to be paid as one of the top 10 WRs in the game. Not good business. Berrian is good, but he's really a WR2, not a WR1. I have heard the rumors that the Bears are going to ask Muhammed to restructure his deal and let Berrian go. I think that is the right move.

Berrian would make a nice no. 2 receiver but he is not a number 1.

You also stated that Stallworth is better than Berrian? I am not so sure you would find too many people to agree with that. As for berrian being a "nice no. 2 receiver" if by nice you mean top 3, then I am with you. Also, don't underestimate the difference in being a #1 receiver and a #2 receiver. Berrian has been the #1 while Stallworth never has (Horn was the guy). #1 wr's get better coverage than the #2's, which is why Chad Johnson is a better receiver than Housh.

 

[maxwelledison]

Some of you guys have a seriously inflated opinion of Bernard Berrian; he will never be a #1WR and is probably more like a low-end #2 on a championship-caliber team.

Also, I have heard some things around town that indicate he is a bit of a prima donna.

 

[massraider]

Some of you guys have a seriously inflated opinion of Bernard Berrian; he will never be a #1WR and is probably more like a low-end #2 on a championship-caliber team.Also, I have heard some things around town that indicate he is a bit of a prima donna.

He's a WR, of course he's a prima donna.As to him being a low end #2, he's already better than that.

 

[BelichicksRevenge]

I just can't see how Berrian deserves to be paid as one of the top 10 WRs in the game. Not good business. Berrian is good, but he's really a WR2, not a WR1. I have heard the rumors that the Bears are going to ask Muhammed to restructure his deal and let Berrian go. I think that is the right move.

Berrian would make a nice no. 2 receiver but he is not a number 1.

If he had a Decent QB... not even a good QB, just an avg QB that doesn't fumble snaps, and toss an an avg Running Game to spread the Ds a little... BB would be a break out star. How many QB changes was made in Chi-town 4, 5! Come on, what WR is going to excel in that situation... even the might Steve Smith couldn't over come that.

I have seen a lot of drops by berrian. One of the reasons Chicago's passing attack was pitiful was the Chicago receivers. they share a lot of the blame. Grossman was bad but his receivers did'nt help. i also think Berrian is soft and a poor route runner. He does have speed but that's about it.

 

[silentmark]

berrian would be a massive pickup for the jets. Coles is nearing the end and Berrian would be able to stretch the field for Clemens. He and cotchery would basically be 1 and 1A so he wouldn't see double teams or anything. As long as he isnt demanding top 10 money, sign me up for it right now.

As a dynasty owner of both BB & Crotch, this is a terrible idea, terrible ...

 

[nflguru]

I just can't see how Berrian deserves to be paid as one of the top 10 WRs in the game. Not good business. Berrian is good, but he's really a WR2, not a WR1. I have heard the rumors that the Bears are going to ask Muhammed to restructure his deal and let Berrian go. I think that is the right move.

Berrian would make a nice no. 2 receiver but he is not a number 1.

If he had a Decent QB... not even a good QB, just an avg QB that doesn't fumble snaps, and toss an an avg Running Game to spread the Ds a little... BB would be a break out star. How many QB changes was made in Chi-town 4, 5! Come on, what WR is going to excel in that situation... even the might Steve Smith couldn't over come that.

Watching every bear game this year you have to place constraints on what the WR, QB, and RB stats COULD have been if the Bears had a real offensive line.. Grossman was creamed almost every time he dropped back to pass, the running game couldnt get off due to poor blocking, and the wr crew was getting poorly thrown balls due to the pressure (for the most part - Grossman was to blame as well).. We do need a better QB next year.. but Orton didnt hurt us with turnovers and did play well when given a chance (not the answer, but for sure a #2 in our offense)You can't classify Berrian as a Plax type wr but he is a #1 wr.. He has good speed and does have good hands (worse this year with drops, but overall a good wr). The Bears must first address the o-line, then the other positions will improve without even doing anything.. Mush is awful.. he is slow, drops passes, and just adds to the additional coverage Berrian sees because the D is not worried about him.. They need to figure out a way in which they can drop mush, keep berrian, and teach hester how to be a legitimate wr (all of this while they improve the o-line so they can run the ball and give the next qb time to make good passes).

 

[maxwelledison]

Some of you guys have a seriously inflated opinion of Bernard Berrian; he will never be a #1WR and is probably more like a low-end #2 on a championship-caliber team.Also, I have heard some things around town that indicate he is a bit of a prima donna.

He's a WR, of course he's a prima donna.As to him being a low end #2, he's already better than that.

Not on a championship-caliber team he isn't.NE - Moss, Welker, StallworthIndy - Wayne, HarrisonPit - Holmes, WardGB - Driver, JenningsDal - Owens, CraytonCrayton is the only guy on there I think BB might be better than and that is certainly debatable. I admit that earlier this season Berrian looked like he might be ready to take the next step but he followed October with a sequence of disappearing acts and a serious case of the dropsies. We should link this thread to the "How Do The Patriots Do It?" thread because paying BB like he is a #1 is precisely the opposite of how they do it...which means of course that the Bears will franchise him and cross their fingers. 22 years and counting...thank you Michael McCaskey.

 

[BelichicksRevenge]

Some of you guys have a seriously inflated opinion of Bernard Berrian; he will never be a #1WR and is probably more like a low-end #2 on a championship-caliber team.Also, I have heard some things around town that indicate he is a bit of a prima donna.

He's a WR, of course he's a prima donna.As to him being a low end #2, he's already better than that.

22 years and counting...thank you Michael McCaskey.

McCaskey has not made a football decision in 8 years. Time to start blaming some other guys too.

 

[FTRWRTR]

I just can't see how Berrian deserves to be paid as one of the top 10 WRs in the game. Not good business. Berrian is good, but he's really a WR2, not a WR1. I have heard the rumors that the Bears are going to ask Muhammed to restructure his deal and let Berrian go. I think that is the right move.

Berrian would make a nice no. 2 receiver but he is not a number 1.

If he had a Decent QB... not even a good QB, just an avg QB that doesn't fumble snaps, and toss an an avg Running Game to spread the Ds a little... BB would be a break out star. How many QB changes was made in Chi-town 4, 5! Come on, what WR is going to excel in that situation... even the might Steve Smith couldn't over come that.

I'm glad you mentioned SS because IMO their situations are very similar and these are their stats from last year::Steve Smith - 87/1,002/7Bernard Berrian - 70/948/5So with 17 more catches smith could only get 54 more yards and just two more TDs. Is SS no longer a #1 wr?

 

[maxwelledison]

If you actually believe that then you are quite gullible. Virginia McCaskey (Halas) is certainly not involved in the process and McCaskey still represents the Bears at owner's meetings. More to the point, McCaskey makes decisions about who the decision makers re: football should be: he selects Ted Phillips who selects Angelo who selects Lovie Smith.

 

[Sammy B]

Berrian & Cotchery & Lj Smith in Jets green....Coles will not be a NY Jet next season IMHO.

Sorry to hijack but if the Jets sign Smith that would be a waste of money. Sure the guy is a good TE but the Jets never use their TE. Baker has proved that he's more than capable WHEN they get him involved.

 

[Max Power]

Don't know if this was posted bu according to NFL Radio unpadte, Angelo is considering using the franchise tag on Berrian.So it looks like they want him back

I don't think there was ever a doubt they wanted him back. I think it may surprise people if they do franchise him.But it's the right move, IMO. They can try and extend his deal, or trade him. The cap has jumped significantly, so they can afford to overpay him for a year.

I disagree, that would not be the right move. Why pay top 5 $ for a guy who can be replaced by a second stringer and put up similar stats.

 

[H.K.]

Confirmation he may get tagged:

Berrian to be franchised? - Fri Jan 4 2:09:00 a.m. ET 2008 (Rotoworld) Bears GM Jerry Angelo didn't rule out the idea of placing the franchise tag on impending free agent Bernard Berrian at Thursday's press conference.Impact: The tag would net Berrian roughly $8 million, the same amount Chicago offered him during in-season contract talks. The Bears' reporters don't think Berrian will be back, but the franchise tag makes a lot of sense on both ends.

If he stays in CHI, then here are Berrian's splits with Bears QB's in 2007:w/ Grossman he averaged 5 catches for 71 yardsw/ Griese he averaged 4.8 catches for 65 yardsw/ Orton he averaged 2 catches for 22 yardsI would guess the Bears starter for 08 is currently not on their roster......but if they stick with Orton then Berrian useless.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

Not on a championship-caliber team he isn't.NE - Moss, Welker, StallworthIndy - Wayne, HarrisonPit - Holmes, WardGB - Driver, JenningsDal - Owens, CraytonCrayton is the only guy on there I think BB might be better than and that is certainly debatable.

You've got the cart before the horse IMO.Moss, Harrison and Owens are elite WRs. Best of their generation.But the rest are mostly a product of the QB/offenses they play with. Put Berrian with the same QB/offense and there's no reason to think he wouldn't perform as well.

 

[FUBAR]

Not on a championship-caliber team he isn't.NE - Moss, Welker, StallworthIndy - Wayne, HarrisonPit - Holmes, WardGB - Driver, JenningsDal - Owens, CraytonCrayton is the only guy on there I think BB might be better than and that is certainly debatable.

You've got the cart before the horse IMO.Moss, Harrison and Owens are elite WRs. Best of their generation.But the rest are mostly a product of the QB/offenses they play with. Put Berrian with the same QB/offense and there's no reason to think he wouldn't perform as well.

If you included Hines Ward and Reggie Wayne in that list, I could agree. Why include the 4 seed without also including the 3s and other 4? Perhaps because Berrien is better than any WR on those teams. He's also better than any WR on the 5 or 6 seed teams except Burress.

 

[The Kansas Comet]

While I think Berrian is a good receiver, he does have too many flaws to merit #1 receiver money, especially if some receiver-desperate team (other than Chicago) is going to throw a lot of money at him. He did have too many big drops and lapses on pass routes, but I think his deficient run-blocking is the biggest negative. The Bears would like to be a running team and for that to happen, the receivers need to do their part. BB is a lousy blocker and would probably fit in better elsewhere. That said, he is excellent at getting deep and has shown the ability to run more than just a "go" route. I wouldn't mind to see him back because the Bears will need receivers and I don't see much talent available in the off season, but not at the price tag I imagine he'll command in the free agent market.

 

[Liquid Tension]

While I think Berrian is a good receiver, he does have too many flaws to merit #1 receiver money, especially if some receiver-desperate team (other than Chicago) is going to throw a lot of money at him. He did have too many big drops and lapses on pass routes, but I think his deficient run-blocking is the biggest negative. The Bears would like to be a running team and for that to happen, the receivers need to do their part. BB is a lousy blocker and would probably fit in better elsewhere. That said, he is excellent at getting deep and has shown the ability to run more than just a "go" route. I wouldn't mind to see him back because the Bears will need receivers and I don't see much talent available in the off season, but not at the price tag I imagine he'll command in the free agent market.

As you can see from my posts, I have been more supportive of Berrian, but you are correct that his poor run blocking is more of a detriment to a team that plays in the elements like Chicago. I agree that 8 mil a year for Berrian is too high, but I don't agree with people who think he is not a legit #1 WR as I see him about the 22nd best WR in the game

 

[BEEF ROCKMORE]

Berrian thinks he's should be paid like a Top 10 WR - that the Bears offense has held him back.

If that's what he expects to be paid, the Bears should let him go.

If the Bears think that's what he's worth - then they should tag him - and cut Moose, who's due to make $3Million next year I believe.

That would clear up $10Mil right there - between letting Moose and Briggs walk.

The Bears are a better team WITH Berrian vs. without him. They should try to resign him to a reasonable contract (somewhere between whatever the 15th to 32nd best WRs are making.

 

[Power Monster]

He will get the tag. There are not too many choices FA wise for WRs and with MM going down hill fast it might be the smart thing to do here....

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

If you included Hines Ward and Reggie Wayne in that list, I could agree.

I almost said something about Ward, but then he's not the same caliber as the other three. Wayne is an slightly better than average WR in my opinion. Just like Addai's an average RB. Manning makes everyone look good. A great WR working without a big-time #2 and Manning at QB puts up Harrison #s, not Wayne's. I think both would struggle in other offenses.

 

[Road Warriors]

If you included Hines Ward and Reggie Wayne in that list, I could agree.

I almost said something about Ward, but then he's not the same caliber as the other three. Wayne is an slightly better than average WR in my opinion. Just like Addai's an average RB. Manning makes everyone look good. A great WR working without a big-time #2 and Manning at QB puts up Harrison #s, not Wayne's. I think both would struggle in other offenses.

Wayne just completed year 1 as the #1 ( without a bigtime #2 ) in IND, and put up more yards than Marvin has in all but 3 years. His TDs are a bit below elite level, but I feel Reggie gets very little respect for his play.

 

[3nOut]

He will get the tag. There are not too many choices FA wise for WRs and with MM going down hill fast it might be the smart thing to do here....

I think Bryant Johnson is a FA. I think I'd rather have him than Berrian. I think he's a talented Wr that have been in the shadow of Boldin and fitz and just needs a chance.

 

[Max Power]

He will get the tag. There are not too many choices FA wise for WRs and with MM going down hill fast it might be the smart thing to do here....

I think Bryant Johnson is a FA. I think I'd rather have him than Berrian. I think he's a talented Wr that have been in the shadow of Boldin and fitz and just needs a chance.

I was thinking the same thing with D.J. Hackett over the weekend. He looks to be on-par if not better than Berrian. Probably can be had cheaper as well.

 

[hauser42]

Berrian & Cotchery & Lj Smith in Jets green....Coles will not be a NY Jet next season IMHO.

Sorry to hijack but if the Jets sign Smith that would be a waste of money. Sure the guy is a good TE but the Jets never use their TE. Baker has proved that he's more than capable WHEN they get him involved.

Berrian really would fit what the Jets need to make the passing game going as long they can get the QB to play and also the line to give him time.LJ Smith will steal money from some team next year because some one out there still thinks he has potential to be a very good TE.