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Amen.
Proud to say I've never had a D (or an R) next to my name. I just wish independents/3rd partyers were a bit more in synch with each other. There are so many different thought bubbles outside of the big 2, it's difficult to unite everyone.
He dropped out of the race...whats the point of keeping him on at this point? I mean, honestly, why would that be the straw that breaks the camels back...that the NY state party did that?
Yea it sounded like Biden was ok with him continuing in exchange for his support.
I was never a big Bernie fan but right now with the stuff coming out about Biden and what we have already been though with Trump Bernie is looking pretty good. I would support him only because much he wants to do won`t ever be passed anyway. Also I doubt Bernie has the skeletons in the closet that Biden and Trump have.
Agree wit this. Wish he would have kept his message solely on fixing the mega corporations and their taxes.
Why was it his time? He wasn't the only candidate other than Biden.
He’s got the biggest and most real following in the party. It was stolen from him 4 years ago for a flawed individual who couldn’t get the job done. I don’t want to see a repeat and that’s exactly the path we are on.
It would be a comeback story for the ages after the way he has been treated, I'm not a fan of his policies but I think he deserves his shot.
Nothing was stolen 4 years ago...and I disagree that his following is any more real or worthy of the nomination. IMO if Biden never runs the voters still wouldn't have nominated him this tome around.
Exactly. And that was before his praise of Fidel Castro which cost him any shot at Florida and would have also killed Democratic down ticket candidates in that state.
And he is also one of the most-likely to lose to Trump. Moderates either won't vote or will vote Trump. And I will admit that Bernie has a big following, but unfortunately, they don't vote.
Don't you think it's more important to have an opponent opposite Trump on the debate stage that is lucid and can form a competent argument?
I guess you didn't see that last debate with Bernie where Joe did just fine. I saw a live interview with Laurence O'Donnell some weeks back and there were no problems there either.
Of course you think that you despise everything about the man. You're not an objective party.
This isn’t true at all. Go back and look at the Trump thread, most of us were worried when Bernie was in the lead.
Ill ignore the personal crap...please leave it out of future posts.
I think Bernie was definitely who trump wanted. We know he didn't want to face Biden. They tried to muddy him up with the whole Ukraine scandal.Widbil83 said:
Between this and skipping the vote on internet privacy Bernie has been quickly eroding the faith I had in him
Bernie probably found plenty of rea$on$ to act like this. Everything is a work with career pols , we’re the rubes
When he hired people like Sirota, Gray and Nina Turner, I thought he might finally take the gloves off. Maybe even moreso after the heart attack. He's 78, what has he got to lose? But I was wrong.
Tim Kaine once said "Nobody walks the line between insider and outsider better than Bernie — nobody." Sometimes I think the reason they dislike him isn't because he acts like a big populist, but because he pretends not to be one of them.
My amateur take on it is I think he just doesn't have the stomach to "go down as Nader" and getting blamed for 2016 got to him. Chris Hedges mentioned a conversation between he, Bernie and Kshama Sawant where she was pushing Bernie to go harder and/or 3rd party but Bernie refused saying the Nader thing.
Feels like that sometimes. I hope it isn't true because I do trust him but with Washington you never know.
I think, like Sawant said, the Democratic party is a "graveyard" for progressives. All of Sanders' momentum to change the party structure from within is dead in the water with Joe Biden. I agree it's good to see Nina & co. concentrating behind an independent party.
Yea Biden particularly kills it, especially with a Kamala VP. Even Pete or Warren would have been at least some progress
This is so bizarre to me. My son (23) went out with many others his age and campaigned for him. From the start, he mentioned that everyone his age he knew hated Biden, even before the primaries started and he turned into the gaffe machine. What a waste of all that human capital. These kids are not happy at all. They might not turn out to vote as usual, but I doubt they are clinging to the party in the future the way they have in the past.
One wonders whether these people have ever heard of the concept of incrementalism. I mean, for Pete's sake.
He's been doing this stuff for like 30 years. Things just keep getting incrementally worse and more corrupt all the time, no matter which party is in power, and Sanders keeps endorsing it. He keeps endorsing them even after they betray him right out in the open. The most charitable explanation for it is that Bernie Sanders is the dumbest, most naive fool in politics. I know he's smarter than this.
I disagree. The left has succeeded in almost everything it has tried to do since the sixties aside from avoiding war and losing their agenda against the rise of our military-industrial complex. The Civil Rights Act of 1964, The Great Society, The War On Poverty, entitlements through the roof, deficit spending, guaranteed health care for the poor, guaranteed health care for the elderly, bailouts for corporations and unions at the public teat in a nod to command economy, you name it. Yes, they haven't achieved single-payer health insurance yet. Big deal. We must look like raging Marxists to our betters from 1918. And then the social program undertaken since the fifties. Contraception on demand as a natural right. Abortion as a natural right. Gay marriage as a natural right. Have I mentioned that natural rights stem from a Judeo-Christian understanding of God? I mean, what the heck do you want? What more could you possibly be granted on the left? If anything, the left has been ascendant. It's eviscerated every right-leaning thing in its path in America aside, again, from military adventurism. But even that adventurism is couched in language that would make Woodrow Wilson blush in its international and humane concern.
On the contrary, Biden is expected to adopt some of Bernie's positions on
I guess we have a different definition of ‘the left’ ‘getting what it wants’ then, because last I checked a massive surveillance state, endless war, expansive prison systems, corporate bailouts, CIA regime change operations, targeting of civil dissidents, and torture are not ‘progressive’ in any sense. That’s not ‘progressive,’ it’s oligarchy. We live in a rigged oligarchy, it is not ‘left’ or even ‘right’ by any reasonable measure, it is a fascist, corporate-run oligarchy.
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