Best QB in this rookie class? Short and long term (1 Viewer)

[Sabertooth]

Pretty self explanatory poll. Who will be the cream of the crop this year and going forward. A full quarter of the first 12 picks in this draft were signal callers. Teams are needy for players at the QB spot.

I raise this discussion to help dynasty owners in win-now mode and also for those with a longer approach. I know some leagues have multiple QBs or QBs as flex options as well. This class seems poised to underwhelm. Newton is perhaps the biggest Boom/Bust type player in well..ever! Locker seems to get it but he is coming off an unspectacular year that saw people shocked when he went off the board so quickly. Gabbert seems like he's kind of aloof. Ponder was considered a reach. Dalton and Kaepernick were picked much later but both may start day 1.

So let's have at it.

 

[UnknownCoach]

Newton's first year opportunity is much better than the competition.

I really like Kaepernick though long term.

 

[Gawain]

Pretty self explanatory poll. Who will be the cream of the crop this year and going forward. A full quarter of the first 12 picks in this draft were signal callers. Teams are needy for players at the QB spot. I raise this discussion to help dynasty owners in win-now mode and also for those with a longer approach. I know some leagues have multiple QBs or QBs as flex options as well. This class seems poised to underwhelm. Newton is perhaps the biggest Boom/Bust type player in well..ever! Locker seems to get it but he is coming off an unspectacular year that saw people shocked when he went off the board so quickly. Gabbert seems like he's kind of aloof. Ponder was considered a reach. Dalton and Kaepernick were picked much later but both may start day 1.So let's have at it.

Never heard a third called a full quarter before. Is that some new, trendy math lingo?

 

[Sabertooth]

Pretty self explanatory poll. Who will be the cream of the crop this year and going forward. A full quarter of the first 12 picks in this draft were signal callers. Teams are needy for players at the QB spot. I raise this discussion to help dynasty owners in win-now mode and also for those with a longer approach. I know some leagues have multiple QBs or QBs as flex options as well. This class seems poised to underwhelm. Newton is perhaps the biggest Boom/Bust type player in well..ever! Locker seems to get it but he is coming off an unspectacular year that saw people shocked when he went off the board so quickly. Gabbert seems like he's kind of aloof. Ponder was considered a reach. Dalton and Kaepernick were picked much later but both may start day 1.So let's have at it.

Never heard a third called a full quarter before. Is that some new, trendy math lingo?

Oops.

 

[eakfootball]

This year Ponder. Future Kap.

 

[Sabertooth]

This year Ponder. Future Kap.

Ponder even with it likely that Rice goes elsewhere?

 

[Raiderfan32904]

This year, I like Locker. Ponder for the future, maybe. I also think this QB class will be destined to underwhelm.

 

[mcd]

I'm not real big on the situations most of these guys are falling into. Always felt that coaching plays a huge part of how a QB develops. The one situation I think is great is Kaepernick being coached by Harbaugh. He has Newton type skills but will be placed into a much more QB friendly situation.

 

[Fly]

Really hard to know the answer to that first question until Free Agency sorts itself out.

I'll lean towards Newton.

As for long term... I actually like Mallett better than all those guys. He's got a huge arm, is a pocket passer, played stiff college competition, is studying behind one of the best QBs of this generation, and is playing for a coach that doesn't take any BS.

 

[D.J.]

Call me crazy but I like dalton this year (and in the future). I think dalton will connect with green and they both have a decent season. Ultimately, I dont think any of the rookies will do great this year. I like gabbert most long term though. I just think he is the most talented in the group. I like kaepernick too, mostly because harbough likes him and I think thats a great sign for him

 

[sihaokills]

Newton 1st year and Ponder long term

 

[Sabertooth]

I think if Newton reaches his potential we could see something along the lines of Vince Young's rookie season. Meaning around 2500 yards passing, another 500 rushing, and maybe 18 combined touchdowns.

If he reaches his long term potential and Carolina were to add a stronger receiving option, the sky is the limit. He could be a better version of Vick.

Jake Locker is the intriguing one to me. He has that fire you like to see. I see him becoming a Phillip Rivers type of guy.

 

[spider321]

Picking the best QB in this draft class is kinda like finding the tallest midget.

 

[Go Blue]

Picking the best QB in this draft class is kinda like finding the tallest midget.

While this class if far from the class of 83', I have to disagree. Even if Cam Newton pulls a Jamarcus Russell, I think at least 2 of these guys are going to turn into solid starters. I doubt this is an 07' redo.Voted Dalton this year and Kaepernick long term. I think the people voting Locker this year are going to take a huge hit as soon as Tennessee signs Hasslebeck for this year.

 

[Multiple Scores]

Newton's first year opportunity is much better than the competition.I really like Kaepernick though long term.

+1

 

[drater]

Dalton this year, Stanzi long term.

 

[krsone21]

Voted for Cam Newton for 2011.

Voted for Ricky Stanzi for the best career.

 

[spider321]

Picking the best QB in this draft class is kinda like finding the tallest midget.

While this class if far from the class of 83', I have to disagree. Even if Cam Newton pulls a Jamarcus Russell, I think at least 2 of these guys are going to turn into solid starters.

I'd be surprised if 1 becomes a solid starter.

 

[FUBAR]

Picking the best QB in this draft class is kinda like finding the tallest midget.

While this class if far from the class of 83', I have to disagree. Even if Cam Newton pulls a Jamarcus Russell, I think at least 2 of these guys are going to turn into solid starters.

I'd be surprised if 1 becomes a solid starter.

Cam will put some decent FF stats up this year I think, but unless you're in a 16 team 2 QB league, you're in trouble if starting any of them this year.Long term, I think:FF Starter: Cam, Mallett (neither will be studly, but 8-12 types)QBBC type: Gabbert, KaepernickFF backup: Locker, Stanzi, Ponder

 

[Sabertooth]

I think Kaepernick has a great situation as well.

 

[JoeSteeler]

Newton's first year opportunity is much better than the competition.I really like Kaepernick though long term.

This

 

[Crippler]

Picking the best QB in this draft class is kinda like finding the tallest midget.

While this class if far from the class of 83', I have to disagree. Even if Cam Newton pulls a Jamarcus Russell, I think at least 2 of these guys are going to turn into solid starters. I doubt this is an 07' redo.Voted Dalton this year and Kaepernick long term. I think the people voting Locker this year are going to take a huge hit as soon as Tennessee signs Hasslebeck for this year.

This is my vote. Dalton will start and has a not bad team around him by looks of it. But he will be mediocre fantasy QB most of career as a Chad Pennington type of guyColin has so many good things going for him. Size, rocket arm, mobility, high wonderlic, great QB coach, great situation with pieces around. Easily the guy I would take 1st in a league.

 

[Cookiemonster]

Newton and Newton. Guy can play, and I don't see the bust risk that most do. He runs better than Young or Tebow and his passing improved leaps and bounds during the season. No, he's not a polished passer by any means, but I feel pretty confident that he can throw well enough to be a starter in the NFL and will continue to improve. His work ethic and mental abilities are not a detriment.

 

[Lash]

newton '11

kaepernick career (but wouldnt be surprised if mallett has best career)

 

[johnadams]

Ponder this year. Despite a lot of criticisms, he has enough skill and is polished enough to be a decent QB right now. His tools seem a bit limiting from a career persepctive, but there have been limited QBs who have been lights out from a ff perspective.

For the career, I went with Kaepernick. Not because I'm completely sold on him. Mainly, because if he pans out, he will pan out big time for Harbaugh. With his skills and landing spot, he has the highest upside of any of the QBs. Unfortunately, I think his bust factor is also the highest. For the record, there is no way Kaepernick will start day one and despite what a lot of people think, is highly unlikely to start at any point this year.

Mallet is big time wild card. In some ways, he had the best and the worst landing spot of any of the QBs. But his future is so hard to figure that I wouldn't include him in this discussion.

 

[Sabertooth]

Ok dust has cleared a little bit and you'd have to assume it is Newton for this season alone. Career wise, I've been reading a lot about Gabberts quick trigger release and I find myself wondering if he'll start sooner rather than later.

Locker took a huge hit with the Hasselbeck signing. As did Ponder with McNabb.

 

[beerbarron]

This year.. Kap both short and long term.. seems Harbaugh can create QB's out of thin air.. and Mallet longer term... Brady's succesor or the next Cassell?

 

[Sabertooth]

This year.. Kap both short and long term.. seems Harbaugh can create QB's out of thin air.. and Mallet longer term... Brady's succesor or the next Cassell?

How so?

 

[Kree]

So ugly...

Took Cam this year purely because he's the only definite starter for the year.

Closed my eyes for the second poll, landed on Locker

 

[beerbarron]

This year.. Kap both short and long term.. seems Harbaugh can create QB's out of thin air.. and Mallet longer term... Brady's succesor or the next Cassell?

How so?

In college at least.. his track record.. Josh Johnson, Andrew Luck... not sure if this skill he has will transfer to NFL?

 

[pollardsvision]

If he'd gone to any other team, I'd pick Dalton. I really like that kid. It's a shame he's now a Bengal.

I hope it's Newton, but I'm skeptical. We'll see.

 

[Sabertooth]

This year.. Kap both short and long term.. seems Harbaugh can create QB's out of thin air.. and Mallet longer term... Brady's succesor or the next Cassell?

How so?

In college at least.. his track record.. Josh Johnson, Andrew Luck... not sure if this skill he has will transfer to NFL?

College and the pros are vastly different. That doesn't mean he can't do it....or that he can. The best developer of QBs in the NFL right now has to be Mike McCarthy, FWIW.

 

[Sudoku_in_the_Bathtub]

Newton, Locker, Mallett only 3 I think with fantasy starter upside down the road.

 

[pantherclub]

I think Newton throws for about 12 td's and runs for 8 more.

 

[FavreCo]

Scam will have the most points because the rest are waiting for an injury or their turn. Gabbert would be the one I target followed by Dalton and Ponder.

 

[Manster]

Newton this year.

Kaep for career.

I've watched Kaep closely through college. Athleticlly think Vick, Newton, and Randall Cunnigham. I'm a Wolfpack homer, so I'd be lyin if I didnt say I'm rootin for Kaep. Prolly my favorite guy to ever watch in college.

He was a man amongst boys in the WAC. He was a very good leader. A master of the pistol offense, and improved each year. The NFL will be much different, but my gut tells me he will adapt.

He's got all the physical attributes and then some. He needs to work on throwing mechanics, footwork, etc.....He will be a project in the NFL. His weakness in college was mid to deep range accuracy. And he'd wind up his throws. The delivery didnt wasnt always fluid. IF he can improve on his mechanics and accuracy (a BIG if) the sky is the limit.

He's got great family support and a great attitude. IMO, he will work hard, and be humble. This is how he can make it in the NFL. He's got a tough road ahead.

 

[EBF]

This year...don't really care, tbh. Wouldn't draft any of these guys for redraft value.

Long term, this is a pretty tough class to gauge. Ponder and Gabbert seem to fit the mold of successful NFL QBs. What I don't like about them is their college production. Neither one of them was really a superstar. If they struggled to dominate against amateur competition then I find it unlikely that they'll become stars at the NFL level. So while I think they both have pretty high floors, I'm just not convinced that the ceiling is there.

Locker is the guy I am most familiar with. I fully expect him to be a bust. Terrible accuracy. Poor composure under pressure. He's got athletic ability and heart, but not much else. Terrible pick by the Titans. Will set the franchise back several years.

I think Mallett and Newton have the most potential for stardom. We all know about Mallett's weaknesses. He throws picks in key situations and he has zero mobility and suspect character. However, he can definitely chuck the rock and he's going to a good situation where he can learn and mature. I could see him becoming a Daunte Culpepper or Drew Bledsoe type in the right system 2-3 years down the road.

As for Newton, his total lack of experience and polish makes him a colossal bust risk, but the star quality is there. He's so big, fast, and strong that even NFL defenders will have some trouble tackling him. He has the arm strength. What remains to be seen is whether or not he can play within a system that asks him to make difficult reads, quick decisions, and accurate throws. That's the most critical aspect of playing QB. The fact that Newton hasn't been tested much in this regard makes him a wild card. Still, dominating the SEC as a first-year starter is no small feat.

Drafting today for a dynasty league I would probably rank them...

1. Cam Newton

2. Blaine Gabbert

3. Ryan Mallett

4. Christian Ponder

...with the rest well behind. I feel like Gabbert and Ponder are the safest bets to become average NFL starters, but that Newton and Mallett have more difference-maker potential.

 

[beerbarron]

This year.. Kap both short and long term.. seems Harbaugh can create QB's out of thin air.. and Mallet longer term... Brady's succesor or the next Cassell?

How so?

In college at least.. his track record.. Josh Johnson, Andrew Luck... not sure if this skill he has will transfer to NFL?

College and the pros are vastly different. That doesn't mean he can't do it....or that he can. The best developer of QBs in the NFL right now has to be Mike McCarthy, FWIW.

Pro vs. College are much diff.. and I hope JHarbaugh can make the switch and develop CK... CK sorta has an odd long delivery at times.. but beast arm.. very athletic and appears to be a great fit for his system.. FWIW Aaron Rodgers is a nice peice for MMCarthy to have as a mold too!!! although Matt Flynn almost beat NE...

 

[metoo]

Newton and Newton. Guy can play, and I don't see the bust risk that most do. He runs better than Young or Tebow and his passing improved leaps and bounds during the season. No, he's not a polished passer by any means, but I feel pretty confident that he can throw well enough to be a starter in the NFL and will continue to improve. His work ethic and mental abilities are not a detriment.

 

[Sabertooth]

Thought this might be a good bump. Gabbert is in now with Garrard going down. He'll get some hype. Kaepernick is a longs ways off. Dalton seems to be making strides to start. Newton looking solid.

 

[Warhogs]

I wanted to look back and bump some of the qb discussion from last year to help us understand the rookie qb class of 2012. I found this poll interesting as I think it supports some of the reasons why qbs were drafted later in 2011.

I find it interesting that 5 different qbs all received substantial votes and that Cam Newton actually finished 4th as far as career success.

 

[Sabertooth]

I wanted to look back and bump some of the qb discussion from last year to help us understand the rookie qb class of 2012. I found this poll interesting as I think it supports some of the reasons why qbs were drafted later in 2011. I find it interesting that 5 different qbs all received substantial votes and that Cam Newton actually finished 4th as far as career success.

I think when this started a big part of it was the media smear Cam received. They basically had me thinking he was another Kenny Britt type of guy.

 

[Warhogs]

I'm not trying to call out anybody on what they thought. Last year was very different because the opinions on who was the best out of the top 5 rookie QBs was very close. Throw in that Ingram was generally the top pick as well as AJ Green and Julio Jones and teams would not even think about a QB until pick 4 and then most passed and grabbed other positions because they felt they would be happy with 1 of the 5 in round 2.

Forward a year and the 2 QBs this year are the high prospects like Green and Jones were last year with Richardson being an almost lock to go 1.01. QB and WR are nearly switched around in 2012.

 

[Warhogs]

I think there was a better rookie QB discussion thread for last year of posters weighing the ranking of the rookie QB group but I just could not find it.

 

[Sabertooth]

I think there was a better rookie QB discussion thread for last year of posters weighing the ranking of the rookie QB group but I just could not find it.

There was a great Cam Newton discussion about whether he'd be a high upside QB2 or not.