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I'm surprised, you're half touting Bowe here. In the other thread you related Bowe's rookie season to Mark Clayton's second year and concluded Bowe would bust.There used to be a list somemore in one of the Colston threads of the best WR campaigns of all time and I was wondering if anyone had it?
This is probably what you remember seeing:http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...t&p=7948397There used to be a list somemore in one of the Colston threads of the best WR campaigns of all time and I was wondering if anyone had it?
Eddie Kennison did something similar in that he had an excellent rookie year in 96' then wasn't productive again until 2002.The Redskins had a RB named Reggie Brooks (I believe) who put up like 1100-8 as a rookie and was out of the NFL in like 2 years, I don't recall if that was injury-related or not.As for Clayton, he had knee surgey after that year and played through the pain throughout all of 2005. Maybe that was a mistake and he should have rested or gotten surgery because his career has never been the same since. To think going into 2005 somebody got Harrison for Clayton straight-up in a dynasty league is amazing.As for Bowe, he seems like a physical specimen and should only get better with experience and better QB play. For his sake I hope the Chiefs make a run at Pennington.KoolKat said:The complete dissappearence of Michael Clayton after such a great rookie season is still somewhat baffling to me. How does a guy regress that much? I understand he has been injured, but he has done little to nothing even when healthy. Has any ever seen something like this happen to anyone else at any position?
I thought it was pretty evident that Brooks was a flash in the pan, similar to Olandis Gary, some did not though. Too bad for them.Kennison is a good example. I had forgotten how good of a rookie campaign he had. Maybe this means Clayton can still be a journeyman who occassionally "loses his passion to play football" only to regain it a few weeks later.I agree Bowe has a bright future ahead of him.Eddie Kennison did something similar in that he had an excellent rookie year in 96' then wasn't productive again until 2002.The Redskins had a RB named Reggie Brooks (I believe) who put up like 1100-8 as a rookie and was out of the NFL in like 2 years, I don't recall if that was injury-related or not.As for Clayton, he had knee surgey after that year and played through the pain throughout all of 2005. Maybe that was a mistake and he should have rested or gotten surgery because his career has never been the same since. To think going into 2005 somebody got Harrison for Clayton straight-up in a dynasty league is amazing.As for Bowe, he seems like a physical specimen and should only get better with experience and better QB play. For his sake I hope the Chiefs make a run at Pennington.KoolKat said:The complete dissappearence of Michael Clayton after such a great rookie season is still somewhat baffling to me. How does a guy regress that much? I understand he has been injured, but he has done little to nothing even when healthy. Has any ever seen something like this happen to anyone else at any position?
In reference to Michael Clayton, I would like to reference Bill James, the baseball stat guru. He investigated the once common idea that fast baseball players, like Willie McGee tend to age poorly once they lose their speed. He actually discovered the opposite. Fast players-especially fast middle infielders and outfielders- can lose a step and still be decent fielders and contribute to the team if they continue to work on their craft of hitting, work on technique of baserunning, etc.On the contrary, slow (light hitting) middle infielders, become a giant defensive liability and soon drop out of the game if they cannot become corner infielders or a DH.I think the same holds true for RB's, WR's, and Safeties. IF they are of average speed to begin with, when they lose a step- they have nothing. Running backs get tackled before they get through the line and are never a threat to bounce outside (and keep the D honest), wr's can get jammed without any fear that the corner will get beat D and struggle to get separation to be a viable target, and safeties get quickly relegated to nickel or dime defensive backs (and only if they are strong in run support) once they lose the speed to cover a TE.Clayton was fairly pedestrian to begin with in terms of speed- he ran a 4.59. I think that playing through that injury has cost him just enough to be ineffective as a receiving threat.I thought it was pretty evident that Brooks was a flash in the pan, similar to Olandis Gary, some did not though. Too bad for them.Kennison is a good example. I had forgotten how good of a rookie campaign he had. Maybe this means Clayton can still be a journeyman who occassionally "loses his passion to play football" only to regain it a few weeks later.I agree Bowe has a bright future ahead of him.Eddie Kennison did something similar in that he had an excellent rookie year in 96' then wasn't productive again until 2002.The Redskins had a RB named Reggie Brooks (I believe) who put up like 1100-8 as a rookie and was out of the NFL in like 2 years, I don't recall if that was injury-related or not.As for Clayton, he had knee surgey after that year and played through the pain throughout all of 2005. Maybe that was a mistake and he should have rested or gotten surgery because his career has never been the same since. To think going into 2005 somebody got Harrison for Clayton straight-up in a dynasty league is amazing.As for Bowe, he seems like a physical specimen and should only get better with experience and better QB play. For his sake I hope the Chiefs make a run at Pennington.KoolKat said:The complete dissappearence of Michael Clayton after such a great rookie season is still somewhat baffling to me. How does a guy regress that much? I understand he has been injured, but he has done little to nothing even when healthy. Has any ever seen something like this happen to anyone else at any position?
thanks, so basically you cant count on rookie WR production and its probably better to trade for them.Riffraff said:This is probably what you remember seeing:http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...t&p=7948397NorrisB said:There used to be a list somemore in one of the Colston threads of the best WR campaigns of all time and I was wondering if anyone had it?
Really? As a Chefs homer, I hope that does NOT happen!! Pennington as nothing left. I would rather take my chances with Croyle (who is unproven) vs. Pennington who is pretty much done.Don't forget that when Croyle started last year, he looked for Bowe on every single passing play, except ones designed for TD Tony.Eddie Kennison did something similar in that he had an excellent rookie year in 96' then wasn't productive again until 2002.The Redskins had a RB named Reggie Brooks (I believe) who put up like 1100-8 as a rookie and was out of the NFL in like 2 years, I don't recall if that was injury-related or not.KoolKat said:The complete dissappearence of Michael Clayton after such a great rookie season is still somewhat baffling to me. How does a guy regress that much? I understand he has been injured, but he has done little to nothing even when healthy. Has any ever seen something like this happen to anyone else at any position?
As for Clayton, he had knee surgey after that year and played through the pain throughout all of 2005. Maybe that was a mistake and he should have rested or gotten surgery because his career has never been the same since. To think going into 2005 somebody got Harrison for Clayton straight-up in a dynasty league is amazing.
As for Bowe, he seems like a physical specimen and should only get better with experience and better QB play. For his sake I hope the Chiefs make a run at Pennington.