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Billick's Pride Has Humiliated a NFL Great (1 Viewer)

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benm3218

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I think Steve McNair is one of the great Football QB's. He has played through pain like a warrior and given his body and soul to whichever team he was on. He is a fighter that will go out there and try as hard as he can as long as you will LET him.

Have you had a grandfather who refused to admit he was getting too old to do certain things? I have a Grandfather who kept pushing himself and eventually hurt himself due to his inability to admit he couldn't do what he used to be able to do.

NOW, McNair is not imcompetent or geriatric. BUT, it is the coaches place to look at the facts and make a decision for the good of his franchise and his QB. It has been obvious for weeks that McNair doesn't have any gas left in his tank. Billick has embarrassed McNair and humilaited him by allowing him to go out there game after game and be the reason that the Ravens lose. McNair is too good of a guy to have that done to him.

They should have pulled the plug a few games back. It is blind pride and refusing to admit you are wrong. It is stubborness and conceit. IF he puts McNair back out there again, he should be fired mid-season. He is a joke and jerk for doing that to McNair.

I do not think it is McNairs fault. There comes a time when even the best are no longer able to do it. The coach needs to be able to recognise that.

Steve McNair didn't deserve to be humiliated like that on live tv.

 
Yeah, I've felt bad for McNair the last couple of seasons. The guy is nothing but class and what the Titans did to him was dead wrong. The Titans should have respectfully sat down with McNair and explained the situation of their decision to move on and tell him why instead of just barring him from their facilities. If they did that, chances are McNair might have hung the up and retired that season instead of trying to prove them wrong elsewhere. He still produced though in his later years, wasn't he the 2003 co-MVP, and at that point he was no spring chicken. This should be McNairs last year..

Anybody think he's good for canton?

 
I guess he is not done.

Steve McNair, QB BAL

News: According to the Examiner, Baltimore QB Steve McNair will remain the starting QB for now heading into Week 11 against Cleveland. Ravens coach Brian Billick and many players reiterated their support for McNair even after the offense has scored just 28 points during a three-game losing streak. Against the Bengals, McNair completed 17-of-26 passes for 128 yards and an interception. He also lost two fumbles before being replaced by Kyle Boller in the fourth quarter. "As of right now, yes," said Billick on McNair status as a starter. "Obviously, we'll make our adjustments going forward."

 
This makes for great discussion. Terrific topic. McNair is an extemely proud guy, who's probably unable to look at his game objectively right now because he doesnt want to quit. But youre right. In his situtation, he's limited by the injuries. And the old saying, "Injury makes cowards of us all" seems to apply in this case. McNair has been battered for years, and he's just not the same player. What set him apart earlier in his career was his ability to make plays with his feet. And now that he cant do that, he's really a very poor QB. He should have been benched, and I dont know that Billick should be completely hammered for 'forcing' him to start, but he should have been able to look at the situation with more objectivity than he's shown. Its a tough situation all around. But I definitely think your opinion here is more right than not.

 
W1cked said:
I guess he is not done.Steve McNair, QB BALNews: According to the Examiner, Baltimore QB Steve McNair will remain the starting QB for now heading into Week 11 against Cleveland. Ravens coach Brian Billick and many players reiterated their support for McNair even after the offense has scored just 28 points during a three-game losing streak. Against the Bengals, McNair completed 17-of-26 passes for 128 yards and an interception. He also lost two fumbles before being replaced by Kyle Boller in the fourth quarter. "As of right now, yes," said Billick on McNair status as a starter. "Obviously, we'll make our adjustments going forward."
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Stubbornness personified.
 
I was embarrassed for McNair when I watched him the last 2 weeks. It is like watching your drunk uncle at a wedding sing and dance. This is the coaches fault for playing the wrong player.

 
Seems to me that McNair is the one who's "pride" won't allow him to retire. He should have retired two years ago. How could you possibly blame Billick for this? McNair is the one who's gone "Willie Mays" on us.

 
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Joe Bryant said:
It's all relative. When Boller is your alternative, McNair looks better and better.J
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I would agree on some points but the most important one... TURNOVERS. Fumbles and INTs but mostly fumbles. if you let Boller actually get to playing he might actually improve.week 1 - McNAIR - 4 TURNOVERS -3 fumbles lost and an INTweek 2 - BOLLER played 2TD – NO TURNOVERSweek 3 - MCNAIR 1 fumble (WIN)week 4 - MCNAIR 1 INT 53 passes attempted!week 6 - BOLLER 1-INT 1 Fumble lostweek 7 - BOLLER 1 sack, no turnovers... 1TDweek 9 - MCNAIR - 1 Fumble lost, 5 SACKS, 1 INT (against PIT)week 10 -MCNAIR 2 Fumbles lost, 1 INT, 2 sacks and pulled... BOLLER: 1 INT
 
Dilfer, Boller, Anthony Wright, McNair (I know I've missed a few starting QB's probably). None of them could establish a credible passing game in Baltimore. I think its time to stop blaming the QB and start blaming Billick for passing inefficiencies.

 
Craig_MiamiFL said:
I don't feel bad for Billick. I don't feel bad for McNair. Enjoy the unemployment line this offseason folks.
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Exactly, Billick's pride is going to get him fired at the end of the season. Last year at least the offense played better after he started calling plays. This year the offense is the worst I have ever seen. Also, I never knew this until watching the Pitt and Cleveland game yesterday, but the announcers mentioned that Baltimore had Derek Anderson on the practice squad at one time but he was picked up by Cleveland when Baltimore tried to activate him to the main roster. That's gotta hurt --not only do the Ravens lose a quality starting QB who could have replaced McNair but he is picked up by a division rival to boot.
 
NFL Great? Not Jim Faasel either.....

Anybody remember when Billick used to be referred to as an Offensive genius?

New York Times January 15, 1999

"Brian Billick is a career football coach. Plainly and simply. He does not consider himself an offensive genius, although others within the National Football League do. ......This is a giddy time for Billick, who is being praised for helping to shape the talented Vikings into a record-setting offensive unit and whose name is bouncing off the walls of the offices of general managers whose teams are in search of a new head coach. So every time the Vikings have another wonderful game, complete with intricate and clever strategy on offense, Billick inches closer to leaving Minnesota. "

..and so on and so forth......

http://query.nytimes.com

 
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One of the best examples of a vastly overrated real-life AND fantasy QB. IMO, this guy has always received much more praise then he has earned...I will never understand the love for this guy (now mostly in the past). One of the great NFL QB's? Crazy.

 
McNair is a veteran QB, but he is and was not a "great" QB. McNair was a good QB for a few years.

 
:confused:

The guy who should be embarrassed is Boller for being unable to beat out McNair and take the starting QB job.

 
skillz said:
Craig_MiamiFL said:
I don't feel bad for Billick. I don't feel bad for McNair.

Enjoy the unemployment line this offseason folks.
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Exactly, Billick's pride is going to get him fired at the end of the season. Last year at least the offense played better after he started calling plays. This year the offense is the worst I have ever seen. Also, I never knew this until watching the Pitt and Cleveland game yesterday, but the announcers mentioned that Baltimore had Derek Anderson on the practice squad at one time but he was picked up by Cleveland when Baltimore tried to activate him to the main roster. That's gotta hurt --not only do the Ravens lose a quality starting QB who could have replaced McNair but he is picked up by a division rival to boot.
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IIRC the Ravens were trying to move Anderson TO the practice squad. As with all NFL teams the practice squads are open to any team to 'steal' players but they must be signed to the 53-man roster. The Ravens had injury issues last year and needed the roster spot so they tried to sneak Anderson onto the practice squad roster for a week or two. Phil Savage the GM of the Browns (with Raven ties) picked up on this move and swept in to take Anderson.This probably is a big reason that Troy Smith remains on the Ravens roster all season long this year.

 
protoslacker said:
NFL Great? Not Jim Faasel either.....

Anybody remember when Billick used to be referred to as an Offensive genius?

New York Times January 15, 1999

"Brian Billick is a career football coach. Plainly and simply. He does not consider himself an offensive genius, although others within the National Football League do. ......This is a giddy time for Billick, who is being praised for helping to shape the talented Vikings into a record-setting offensive unit and whose name is bouncing off the walls of the offices of general managers whose teams are in search of a new head coach. So every time the Vikings have another wonderful game, complete with intricate and clever strategy on offense, Billick inches closer to leaving Minnesota. "

..and so on and so forth......

http://query.nytimes.com
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I've criticized him before and gotten jumped on by his defenders, but he's still living off of that 1998 season with Randy Moss and the 15-1 Vikings. The defense has always been the backbone of his Ravens teams, and that defense has always been led by a player - Ray Lewis - rather than Billick. How he still has a job after so many seasons of offensive ineptitude given that that is his supposed area of expertise is mind-boggling.
 
Man this is a hard pill to swallow. I remember watching "air" McNair @ Alcorn state (?) while I was in college....

If he's a washed up old man, what does that make me?

Unfortunately, it's become pretty damned obvious that he can't get it done anymore.

 
benm3218 said:
I think Steve McNair is one of the great Football QB's. He has played through pain like a warrior and given his body and soul to whichever team he was on. He is a fighter that will go out there and try as hard as he can as long as you will LET him. Have you had a grandfather who refused to admit he was getting too old to do certain things? I have a Grandfather who kept pushing himself and eventually hurt himself due to his inability to admit he couldn't do what he used to be able to do. NOW, McNair is not imcompetent or geriatric. BUT, it is the coaches place to look at the facts and make a decision for the good of his franchise and his QB. It has been obvious for weeks that McNair doesn't have any gas left in his tank. Billick has embarrassed McNair and humilaited him by allowing him to go out there game after game and be the reason that the Ravens lose. McNair is too good of a guy to have that done to him. They should have pulled the plug a few games back. It is blind pride and refusing to admit you are wrong. It is stubborness and conceit. IF he puts McNair back out there again, he should be fired mid-season. He is a joke and jerk for doing that to McNair.I do not think it is McNairs fault. There comes a time when even the best are no longer able to do it. The coach needs to be able to recognise that. Steve McNair didn't deserve to be humiliated like that on live tv.
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if anything billick is swallowing his pride by playing mcnair over boller (who billick drafted much higher than most scouts projected). he just feels mcnair gives his team the best chance to win and i can respect that...
 
CommuterMan said:
skillz said:
Craig_MiamiFL said:
I don't feel bad for Billick. I don't feel bad for McNair.

Enjoy the unemployment line this offseason folks.
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Exactly, Billick's pride is going to get him fired at the end of the season. Last year at least the offense played better after he started calling plays. This year the offense is the worst I have ever seen. Also, I never knew this until watching the Pitt and Cleveland game yesterday, but the announcers mentioned that Baltimore had Derek Anderson on the practice squad at one time but he was picked up by Cleveland when Baltimore tried to activate him to the main roster. That's gotta hurt --not only do the Ravens lose a quality starting QB who could have replaced McNair but he is picked up by a division rival to boot.
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IIRC the Ravens were trying to move Anderson TO the practice squad. As with all NFL teams the practice squads are open to any team to 'steal' players but they must be signed to the 53-man roster. The Ravens had injury issues last year and needed the roster spot so they tried to sneak Anderson onto the practice squad roster for a week or two. Phil Savage the GM of the Browns (with Raven ties) picked up on this move and swept in to take Anderson.This probably is a big reason that Troy Smith remains on the Ravens roster all season long this year.
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If you want to put a player on the PS you cut him and if he clears waivers in 24 hours then you can assign him to the PS. That's what makes the day of final cuts a busy day as teams are trying to pillage the guys that other teams want for their PS. I'm pretty sure you can't take a player off another team's PS, that's the whole point of having a PS. Only in that 24 hour period between getting cut and assigned to the PS.IIRC, there was a bit of a row between Belichick and the Vikings (?) about a player BB wanted on the PS and he asked the Vikes not to pick him up, but they did anyways.

 
Craig_MiamiFL said:
The same Billick that put Derek Anderson on waivers...
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If DA can't beat out Frye in TC, he must not have been too impressive. Sometimes players don't kick in until they get their real shot. Hard to blame him for a guy that didn;t do much for 3 years and he did intend to keep him on the PS.
 
Nigel Tufnel said:
W1cked said:
I guess he is not done.Steve McNair, QB BALNews: According to the Examiner, Baltimore QB Steve McNair will remain the starting QB for now heading into Week 11 against Cleveland. Ravens coach Brian Billick and many players reiterated their support for McNair even after the offense has scored just 28 points during a three-game losing streak. Against the Bengals, McNair completed 17-of-26 passes for 128 yards and an interception. He also lost two fumbles before being replaced by Kyle Boller in the fourth quarter. "As of right now, yes," said Billick on McNair status as a starter. "Obviously, we'll make our adjustments going forward."
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Stubbornness personified.
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it is water under the bridge at this point, I'd fully expect to see Billick get fired at season's end, last year's contract be damned.. good riddance...
 
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