Bills likely to trade QB Losman after season (1 Viewer)

[BustedKnuckles]

Bills likely to trade QB Losman after season

Dec. 7, 2007

After showcasing some heady play, especially late in the game, in the Bills’ Week 13 victory over the Redskins, rookie Trent Edwards looks to have locked up the Buffalo quarterback job. And not just for the remainder of the season. Our sources in Buffalo tell us that J.P. Losman, the team’s first-round selection in 2004, is highly unlikely to be on the roster next year. His high salary makes it very difficult for the Bills to keep him on the bench, and they will cut him if unable to engineer a trade for him. However, with the shoddy quarterback play in the league this season, we hear that the Bills are very confident they can deal him. Ideally, they are looking for a second-round selection in April’s draft, but a more likely scenario is a third- or fourth-round pick.



from- PFW

 

[mchaps55]

ah they won't get anything for him, what they want is one thing.......... what they are going to get is nothing....he will be released!

 

[Giants4Life]

I think he will go somewhere for like a 7th round pick. Hes not an awful player. He'd be a useful backup for someone and can hold the fort if need be

 

[Rounders]

How about a Grossman for Losman swap?

uke:

 

[arlingtonpark27]

They definitely won't get a second or even a third for him. I can't imagine his salary is prohibitive to keep on the roster given the number of quarterbacks that get hurt each year. It pays to have a competent back-up. I think he is more valuable on their roster as a back-up than what they will be able to get for him in a trade.

Just my two cents.

 

[PatrickT]

Never really seen Losman play. No chance he's starter material? Should I be interested at all as a Falcon fan needing a QB?

 

[PranksterJD]

Never really seen Losman play. No chance he's starter material? Should I be interested at all as a Falcon fan needing a QB?

The Falcons need a STARTING quarterback. They've got enough guys to play backup.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

at "his high salary" being the reason for a trade and possible release.

he's scheduled to make $650,000 next year. They probably won't be able to find a cheaper backup.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

I think he will go somewhere for like a 7th round pick. Hes not an awful player. He'd be a useful backup for someone and can hold the fort if need be

I'm certain they will get more than that for him if they shop him around.If not, then he'll be backing up Edwards for another year. No way they move him for a 7th round pick. That's insanity.

 

[TommyGilmore]

Never really seen Losman play. No chance he's starter material? Should I be interested at all as a Falcon fan needing a QB?

The Falcons need a STARTING quarterback. They've got enough guys to play backup.

Losman and Harrington could have been separated at birth.

 

[PatrickT]

at "his high salary" being the reason for a trade and possible release.he's scheduled to make $650,000 next year. They probably won't be able to find a cheaper backup.

He was a first round pick, how could it be that low?

 

[Ron_Mexico]

How about a Grossman for Losman swap?uke:

I own both of these pukes in 2 of my leaguesas my #2 and #3.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

at "his high salary" being the reason for a trade and possible release.

he's scheduled to make $650,000 next year. They probably won't be able to find a cheaper backup.

He was a first round pick, how could it be that low?

he was only the 22nd pick overall. Same with Brady Quinn, QBs drafted that late can easily be kept as backups as their salaries aren't that high.There were a lot of incentives in Losman's initial contract. Most of which, I'm sure he failed to reach.

7/21/2004: Signed a five-year, $24.5 million contract. The deal included a $5.6 million signing bonus and contains $16.8 million in incentives. 2007: $1.8 million, 2008: $650,000, 2009: Free Agent

http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpag...nfl&id=2780

 

[PatrickT]

at "his high salary" being the reason for a trade and possible release.

he's scheduled to make $650,000 next year. They probably won't be able to find a cheaper backup.

He was a first round pick, how could it be that low?

he was only the 22nd pick overall. Same with Brady Quinn, QBs drafted that late can easily be kept as backups as their salaries aren't that high.There were a lot of incentives in Losman's initial contract. Most of which, I'm sure he failed to reach.

7/21/2004: Signed a five-year, $24.5 million contract. The deal included a $5.6 million signing bonus and contains $16.8 million in incentives. 2007: $1.8 million, 2008: $650,000, 2009: Free Agent

http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpag...nfl&id=2780

Wow, I would've thought that any 1st rounder would have at least a 1 million base, interesting.

 

[DoubleG]

How about a Grossman for Losman swap?uke:

As a Bear's fan - amazing as it sounds even to me, but I'd rather have Rex. His QB rating since coming back from being benched is actually fairly decent and 3TDs and only 1 pick. Nope, the Bills can keep J.P.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

How about a Grossman for Losman swap?uke:

As a Bear's fan - amazing as it sounds even to me, but I'd rather have Rex. His QB rating since coming back from being benched is actually fairly decent and 3TDs and only 1 pick. Nope, the Bills can keep J.P.

Grossman only has 3 games left on his contract.

 

[On The Rocks]

PFW is about as good a source as there is. I am sure this is all 100% true.

 

[switz]

Bills likely to trade QB Losman after season Dec. 7, 2007 After showcasing some heady play, especially late in the game, in the Bills’ Week 13 victory over the Redskins, rookie Trent Edwards looks to have locked up the Buffalo quarterback job. And not just for the remainder of the season. Our sources in Buffalo tell us that J.P. Losman, the team’s first-round selection in 2004, is highly unlikely to be on the roster next year. His high salary makes it very difficult for the Bills to keep him on the bench, and they will cut him if unable to engineer a trade for him. However, with the shoddy quarterback play in the league this season, we hear that the Bills are very confident they can deal him. Ideally, they are looking for a second-round selection in April’s draft, but a more likely scenario is a third- or fourth-round pick. from- PFW

Oh goodness, not another PFW "spin"...Losman's salary is #1, not prohibitive at all, and #2 not even expensive for a backupAlso, Losman has shown starter ability and some team will trade for him if the Bills really dangle him. He reminds me of a young Favre. Give him a line, and he's WAY better than Edwards...

 

[GroveDiesel]

The only reason they'd get rid of Losman is if they think that he might be a problem if he's kept on the roster as a backup. Or, I guess if the Bills just want to treat him right and give him a chance to start somewhere else.

His salary only would have been an issue if he had taken like 75% of the snaps this year. If he had taken 75% of the snaps, his salary would have gone up to about $4M for 2008.

 

[Mr.Pack]

They said one Brett Favre wasn't any good either.........

Coaching helps.

 

[Horses Mouth]

Miami?

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

Miami?

John Beck?

 

[Spartans Rule]

His numbers the past two years:

| 2006 buf | 16 | 268 429 62.5 3051 7.1 19 14 | 38 140 1 || 2007 buf | 8 | 111 175 63.4 1204 6.9 4 6 | 20 110 0

Over 60% completion %, Y/A around 7 both years. Those are pretty good, especially considering the talent around him and the fact that he's still young enough to keep improving.I dunno how Losman got lumped in with Joey Harrington and David Carr in people's minds, but I don't see him as a bust at all. If he can be had cheap, somebody should definitely go after this guy as a starter.

 

[msommer]

Miami?

John Beck?

+ in division

 

[Couch Potato]

Just a gut feeling, but I think Losman is a guy who will one day "get it" when he's with his 2nd or 3rd team after being in the league 5 or 6 years. I think he has a lot of fire, an NFL arm, and the things he lacks still can come with seasoning.

I don't own him in any leagues and haven't wanted to up to this point, but if he got another shot as a starter somewhere in a couple of years I'd be looking to see if he's settled down, whether his pocket awareness has improved, and whether he's seeing the field or is still trying to force a pass when the play just isn't there.

 

[BoltBacker]

Miami?

John Beck?

I would think the most likely candidate would be a team that isn't set at QB next season and would like for their to be some competition. MIA seems like a good fit, though I'm not sure how likely teams are to trade within their division. BAL might be another situation. SF is another. Given the age of Garcia/Delhomme I would think both TB/CAR might be interested as well.Losman was pretty good as a starter last year. He had a QB rating of 85. Brady had an 88. His Y/A and completion % was actually higher than Brady's.

 

[Thorpe]

Bills likely to trade QB Losman after season Dec. 7, 2007 After showcasing some heady play, especially late in the game, in the Bills’ Week 13 victory over the Redskins, rookie Trent Edwards looks to have locked up the Buffalo quarterback job. And not just for the remainder of the season. Our sources in Buffalo tell us that J.P. Losman, the team’s first-round selection in 2004, is highly unlikely to be on the roster next year. His high salary makes it very difficult for the Bills to keep him on the bench, and they will cut him if unable to engineer a trade for him. However, with the shoddy quarterback play in the league this season, we hear that the Bills are very confident they can deal him. Ideally, they are looking for a second-round selection in April’s draft, but a more likely scenario is a third- or fourth-round pick. from- PFW

Oh goodness, not another PFW "spin"...Losman's salary is #1, not prohibitive at all, and #2 not even expensive for a backupAlso, Losman has shown starter ability and some team will trade for him if the Bills really dangle him. He reminds me of a young Favre. Give him a line, and he's WAY better than Edwards...

You must not watch the Bills too often, because the o line has played great this year. If you want to make an excuse for Losman, it is the WRs. Evans can only run the deep route, Josh Reed is average at best, Parrish is not even that good, and the TEs are not great pass catchers. Losman can throw the deep ball, but he has been extremely unaccurate throwing other balls. He also is not as smart as Edwards and holds onto the ball longer. Edwards was vey accurate vs the Skins. I know Losman has put up good completion percentages, but he can't hit a WR on the run, and most of his passes are not for first downs.

 

[BoltBacker]

I dunno how Losman got lumped in with Joey Harrington and David Carr in people's minds, but I don't see him as a bust at all. If he can be had cheap, somebody should definitely go after this guy as a starter.

Exactly.With so much bad QB play in the league and so many old retreads as backups like Frerotte and Dilfer, how could Losman not make a good backup. I think he'd be one of the top backups in the league.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

I dunno how Losman got lumped in with Joey Harrington and David Carr in people's minds, but I don't see him as a bust at all. If he can be had cheap, somebody should definitely go after this guy as a starter.

Exactly.With so much bad QB play in the league and so many old retreads as backups like Frerotte and Dilfer, how could Losman not make a good backup. I think he'd be one of the top backups in the league.

which is why the Bills shouldn't trade him unless they get a 3rd rounder for him. Rather have him as a backup for another year than a 2nd day draft pick. Edwards is far from proven and trading Losman would just create another big hole at backup QB that the team would have to fill somehow.

 

[whitem0nkey]

so next season some possible available QBS would be

Losman, grossman (maybe), Mcnabb, Quinn(i think anderson is staying.) anybody else?

 

[-OZ-]

I dunno how Losman got lumped in with Joey Harrington and David Carr in people's minds, but I don't see him as a bust at all. If he can be had cheap, somebody should definitely go after this guy as a starter.

Exactly.With so much bad QB play in the league and so many old retreads as backups like Frerotte and Dilfer, how could Losman not make a good backup. I think he'd be one of the top backups in the league.

which is why the Bills shouldn't trade him unless they get a 3rd rounder for him. Rather have him as a backup for another year than a 2nd day draft pick. Edwards is far from proven and trading Losman would just create another big hole at backup QB that the team would have to fill somehow.

As a Lions fan, I could live with bringing Losman in to compete with Stanton if for any reason, Kitna isn't back. Give him Roy and CJ2, if they can improve the line, he could be successful.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

grossman (maybe), Quinn(i think anderson is staying.)

why maybe for Grossman? he's a free agent. doubtful the Bears will commit to him long-term after benching him this year. I guess he could pull a Boller and stick around, but I think it's likely he'll test the market.as for Quinn, there's very little chance he'd be moved this soon. I agree that the Browns will try to keep Anderson, but they won't be trading Quinn after one year. He signed a 5-year deal which I believe included a $7.5 million signing bonus and lots of incentives just like Losman did a few years ago. The Browns would take a $5 million cap hit if they trade him, but his contract is very affordable. Browns haven't had a reliable starting QB for awhile...they won't be in any rush to trade one now that they finally appear to have some decent depth at the position.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

As a Lions fan, I could live with bringing Losman in to compete with Stanton if for any reason, Kitna isn't back. Give him Roy and CJ2, if they can improve the line, he could be successful.

I remember Martz having a very high opinion of Losman when he was drafted. I think Martz even said the Rams would have strongly considered taking him if the Bills didn't trade up for him.

 

[Pat Patriot]

As a Lions fan, I could live with bringing Losman in to compete with Stanton if for any reason, Kitna isn't back. Give him Roy and CJ2, if they can improve the line, he could be successful.

I remember Martz having a very high opinion of Losman when he was drafted. I think Martz even said the Rams would have strongly considered taking him if the Bills didn't trade up for him.

If Martz is still with the Lions next year. There are rumblings that he could be out of there. That offense has really gone into hibernation the last few weeks.

 

[Da Guru]

Lee Evans is useless with Edwards at QB.

 

[crimsonrebel]

saints need a backup, but i think hed be a good fit in Chicago

 

[Jeff Tefertiller]

This link shows the Losman salary from a different angle.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

This link shows the Losman salary from a different angle.

that link doesn't list his 2008 salary.

This one just lists base salary with no bonus information. I'd be surprised if he reached any major incentives that push his total salary up far enough that he'd be too expensive to hold onto as a #2 QB.

 

[Jeff Tefertiller]

This link shows the Losman salary from a different angle.

that link doesn't list his 2008 salary.

This one just lists base salary with no bonus information. I'd be surprised if he reached any major incentives that push his total salary up far enough that he'd be too expensive to hold onto as a #2 QB.

I know. It was more of a reflection of how the bonus money was applied. Since most of the previous posts had included "base salary", I thought some might want to see how the bonus money applied to the first few years of his contract. This is why I said it show his salary "from a different angle".

 

[Sopranos]

I still dont think the Bills know if he could be a starter in the NFL. The system itself sucks. He is much better off going somewhere else in a different offense. I dont think Edwards looks all that good either. I would keep them both if they can.

 

[trader jake]

This doesn't make a whole lot of sense for Buffalo unless they receive a 2nd round pick for Losman. I like Edwards but he hasn't been a picture of health throughout his pro or college career.

 

[Southside Stosh]

If Favre retires, I could see Losman in GB to compete for the starting gig. I don't see the Pack trading for him, though.

 

[Burning Sensation]

I dont like him as an NFL quarterback, but as a Steve Smith owner, i would love to see him go to Carolina.

 

[Revo]

With no one to challenge Eli Manning, I'd love to see the Giants get a cheap veteran backup who may be able to provide a spark every now and then. Since the Jints clearly are going to have Eli as a starter the next year or two, getting a Losman/Grossman or similar ilk of QB onboard would make a lot of sense for them.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

With no one to challenge Eli Manning, I'd love to see the Giants get a cheap veteran backup who may be able to provide a spark every now and then. Since the Jints clearly are going to have Eli as a starter the next year or two, getting a Losman/Grossman or similar ilk of QB onboard would make a lot of sense for them.

I think it's very unlikely Grossman or Losman or a similar QB would want to sign somewhere where they know they have almost no chance to be the starter. Doubtful the Giants would trade for Losman with one year left on his deal as they probably couldn't sign him to an extension for the same reason.

 

[D_House]

I think he will go somewhere for like a 7th round pick. Hes not an awful player. He'd be a useful backup for someone and can hold the fort if need be

I'm certain they will get more than that for him if they shop him around.If not, then he'll be backing up Edwards for another year. No way they move him for a 7th round pick. That's insanity.

The OP seems like pure speculation to me. Losman's contract is in no way prohibitive, and no 7th round pick would be worth a young backup QB that knows the system and has starting experience.

 

[D_House]

I dont like him as an NFL quarterback, but as a Steve Smith owner, i would love to see him go to Carolina.

I think that could potentially be a great fit for Losman. He's a lot like Delhomme, IMO.

 

[flapgreen]

I wouldn't mind having him in Chicago. Seems like a small price to pay for a guy who's been showing promise this year. Far better than anything we have and worth a 3rd or 4th rounder imo.

 

[Horses Mouth]

Miami?

John Beck?

+ in division

I know MIA has Beck but Beck/Losman combo especially at his salary could be quite attractive.

 

[D_House]

The other reason that this seems unlikely is that Losman will be in the final year of his deal, so in addition to giving up a draft pick, potential trade partners would have to sign him to a new deal, or else they'd be giving up a pick for a one year player.