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[Shutout]

I was really afraid of this when I heard that we were going to have so many Thursday games this year.

In addition to the obvious issues of carving out another day of the week for footbal and dealing with family aggro, and on top of all the lineup issues it creates in fantasy, not knowing who is going to be available, will this guy bounce back and be ready in just 4 days, and all that, there's also games like this that create psychosis.

You've got BIG TIME fantasy players and after the relative stinkers put up across the board last night (unless you play IDP), some of us now get to stew and churn and think (and overthink) for the next 3 days; wondering what happened and how we're going to recover from that 3 points from our "star" receiver or 13 points from what is supposed to be one of the top QBs in fantasy.

Of course, the flip side is there are probably some guys out there that feel pretty good this morning because they played AGAINST Cutler, Rodgers, Marshall, etc and they feel like they have a leg up now. But with all the big name players last night and considering that guys like driver and Davis were the "big" scorers last night, I'm guessing this is one of those 72 hour torture periods. Its probably no coincidence that typical mental health evaluations are also 72 hours...probably started back in the day when guys were watching Thursday night football games.

 

[solorca]

I hate Thursday games. I don't know if it's just me, or if it affects everyone in similar ways, but if I have a player in a Thursday night game, I can always count on being disappointed in them. I actually calculated the numbers earlier this week when I considered benching Brandon Marshall (seriously) because I knew that he would disappoint me this week.

In my main leauge, over the past three seasons, I've had 35 skill position fantasy players in a PPR league playing on Thursday night...

4 QB's - Average points score 15.11 (player overall average in year played, 25.93)

11 RB's - Average points scored 7.43 (player overall average in year played, 15.35)

15 WR's - Average points scored 7.79 (player overall average in year played, 14.17)

5 TE's - Average points scored 5.50 (player overall average in year played, 11.02)

I had ONE player out of those 35 that outperformed their season average in a Thursday night game (Marshawn Lynch in the "skittles" game last year).

Now, this could all just be tremendously bad luck on my end...but it's been going on for years now, and anytime I see one of my players scheduled on a Thursday, I will think twice about starting them. I ended up starting Marshall, since he was my best receiever, but going forward, if I have two relative similar players to choose from, I'll definitely be choosing the non-Thursday night player.

 

[habsfan]

It reminds me a bit of that long stretch of horrible Thanksgiving games - except on a weekly basis.

 

[Shutout]

I hate Thursday games. I don't know if it's just me, or if it affects everyone in similar ways, but if I have a player in a Thursday night game, I can always count on being disappointed in them. I actually calculated the numbers earlier this week when I considered benching Brandon Marshall (seriously) because I knew that he would disappoint me this week.In my main leauge, over the past three seasons, I've had 35 skill position fantasy players in a PPR league...4 QB's - Average points score 15.11 (player overall average in year played, 25.93)11 RB's - Average points scored 7.43 (player overall average in year played, 15.35)15 WR's - Average points scored 7.79 (player overall average in year played, 14.17)5 TE's - Average points scored 5.50 (player overall average in year played, 11.02)I had ONE player out of those 35 that outperformed their season average in a Thursday night game (Marshawn Lynch in the "skittles" game last year).Now, this could all just be tremendously bad luck on my end...but it's been going on for years now, and anytime I see one of my players scheduled on a Thursday, I will think twice about starting them. I ended up starting Marshall, since he was my best receiever, but going forward, if I have two relative similar players to choose from, I'll definitely be choosing the non-Thursday night player.

I hear ya. I guess by definition it can't be anything more than coincidence but it seems like this happesn to me too. If I start a "good" player, they are MIA. One think I HAVE noticed is if Julius Peppers or Cameron Wake are on Thursday games, and you play IDP of course, you MUST start them. They always seem to play big.

 

[DoubleG]

Random Thursday night tip:

Almost 60% of Thursday night games go under. Basically, what I took from that is that if you're on the fence between a player playing a Thursday night game and a Sunday (all else being fairly equal) - there is a chance (albiet slight) that the Tursday player will score less simply by virtue of the fact that he's playing on Thursday, given history.

 

[Banemorth]

All I know is that I'm at work and sleepy.

Stupid East Coast time zone.

 

[zamboni]

Also don't like Thursday games since it ruins Friday mornings for me when I have players going and they stink up the joint. FU Finley.

 

[Ignoratio Elenchi]

Now, this could all just be tremendously bad luck on my end...but it's been going on for years now, and anytime I see one of my players scheduled on a Thursday, I will think twice about starting them. I ended up starting Marshall, since he was my best receiever, but going forward, if I have two relative similar players to choose from, I'll definitely be choosing the non-Thursday night player.

Random Thursday night tip:Almost 60% of Thursday night games go under. Basically, what I took from that is that if you're on the fence between a player playing a Thursday night game and a Sunday (all else being fairly equal) - there is a chance (albiet slight) that the Tursday player will score less simply by virtue of the fact that he's playing on Thursday, given history.

I hear ya. I guess by definition it can't be anything more than coincidence

It doesn't necessarily have to be coincidence. I assume most teams playing on Thursday night are playing on a short week - it's possible that this has a real effect on offensive output. Playing on just 3-4 days rest may mean these guys are more tired, less healthy, etc. than they would otherwise be with a full week's rest in between games, plus they have fewer days to gameplan, practice, etc. I've never noticed this but it's an interesting question. I wonder if there really is something to it, or if it's just perception (e.g. there's heightened scrutiny because it's the only game on TV, it's easier to notice/remember when your players underperform on Thursday night as opposed to 1pm on Sunday afternoon, etc.)

 

[Shutout]

Now, this could all just be tremendously bad luck on my end...but it's been going on for years now, and anytime I see one of my players scheduled on a Thursday, I will think twice about starting them. I ended up starting Marshall, since he was my best receiever, but going forward, if I have two relative similar players to choose from, I'll definitely be choosing the non-Thursday night player.

Random Thursday night tip:

Almost 60% of Thursday night games go under. Basically, what I took from that is that if you're on the fence between a player playing a Thursday night game and a Sunday (all else being fairly equal) - there is a chance (albiet slight) that the Tursday player will score less simply by virtue of the fact that he's playing on Thursday, given history.

I hear ya. I guess by definition it can't be anything more than coincidence

It doesn't necessarily have to be coincidence. I assume most teams playing on Thursday night are playing on a short week - it's possible that this has a real effect on offensive output. Playing on just 3-4 days rest may mean these guys are more tired, less healthy, etc. than they would otherwise be with a full week's rest in between games, plus they have fewer days to gameplan, practice, etc. I've never noticed this but it's an interesting question. I wonder if there really is something to it, or if it's just perception (e.g. there's heightened scrutiny because it's the only game on TV, it's easier to notice/remember when your players underperform on Thursday night as opposed to 1pm on Sunday afternoon, etc.)

I can see that, but I cal it coincidence because I guess that could go both ways. Like, yeah, these guys are on short weeks but that could actually benefit a receiver who is fresher (or in better shape) and he could have a career night. Cool numbers DOUBLEG- That's soemthing to keep in mind.

 

[DoubleG]

Also don't like Thursday games since it ruins Friday mornings for me when I have players going and they stink up the joint. FU Finley.

1 point wOOt

 

[beaux]

1. If you are complaining that you are too tired, don't watch the game...

2. If you are upset because players you have did not do well, you are taking this game way too seriously...

 

[zandbak]

So you guy are saying you should start a defense + kicker in Thursday night games? See: Packers Defense + Crosby.

 

[Banemorth]

1. If you are complaining that you are too tired, don't watch the game...

2. If you are upset because players you have did not do well, you are taking this game way too seriously...

What ####### blasphemy is this? Not watch the game?!

I may not like nodding off at my desk but I'll still take the football!

 

[Dr. Octopus]

I hate Thursday games. I don't know if it's just me, or if it affects everyone in similar ways, but if I have a player in a Thursday night game, I can always count on being disappointed in them. I actually calculated the numbers earlier this week when I considered benching Brandon Marshall (seriously) because I knew that he would disappoint me this week.

In my main leauge, over the past three seasons, I've had 35 skill position fantasy players in a PPR league...

4 QB's - Average points score 15.11 (player overall average in year played, 25.93)

11 RB's - Average points scored 7.43 (player overall average in year played, 15.35)

15 WR's - Average points scored 7.79 (player overall average in year played, 14.17)

5 TE's - Average points scored 5.50 (player overall average in year played, 11.02)

I had ONE player out of those 35 that outperformed their season average in a Thursday night game (Marshawn Lynch in the "skittles" game last year).

Now, this could all just be tremendously bad luck on my end...but it's been going on for years now, and anytime I see one of my players scheduled on a Thursday, I will think twice about starting them. I ended up starting Marshall, since he was my best receiever, but going forward, if I have two relative similar players to choose from, I'll definitely be choosing the non-Thursday night player.

I hear ya. I guess by definition it can't be anything more than coincidence but it seems like this happesn to me too. If I start a "good" player, they are MIA. One think I HAVE noticed is if Julius Peppers or Cameron Wake are on Thursday games, and you play IDP of course, you MUST start them. They always seem to play big.

Maybe it is coincidence - but its also possible that many players just have a tougher time performing on the short week.

 

[Frank Black]

I hate Thursday games. I don't know if it's just me, or if it affects everyone in similar ways, but if I have a player in a Thursday night game, I can always count on being disappointed in them. I actually calculated the numbers earlier this week when I considered benching Brandon Marshall (seriously) because I knew that he would disappoint me this week.

In my main leauge, over the past three seasons, I've had 35 skill position fantasy players in a PPR league...

4 QB's - Average points score 15.11 (player overall average in year played, 25.93)

11 RB's - Average points scored 7.43 (player overall average in year played, 15.35)

15 WR's - Average points scored 7.79 (player overall average in year played, 14.17)

5 TE's - Average points scored 5.50 (player overall average in year played, 11.02)

I had ONE player out of those 35 that outperformed their season average in a Thursday night game (Marshawn Lynch in the "skittles" game last year).

Now, this could all just be tremendously bad luck on my end...but it's been going on for years now, and anytime I see one of my players scheduled on a Thursday, I will think twice about starting them. I ended up starting Marshall, since he was my best receiever, but going forward, if I have two relative similar players to choose from, I'll definitely be choosing the non-Thursday night player.

I hear ya. I guess by definition it can't be anything more than coincidence but it seems like this happesn to me too. If I start a "good" player, they are MIA. One think I HAVE noticed is if Julius Peppers or Cameron Wake are on Thursday games, and you play IDP of course, you MUST start them. They always seem to play big.

Maybe it is coincidence - but its also possible that many players just have a tougher time performing on the short week.

This. I wonder the same thing.

 

[Warrior]

Only offensive players?

 

[zamboni]

2. If you are upset because players you have did not do well, you are taking this game way too seriously...

We all spend a lot of time on this here fantasy football board - I think the seriousness is a given. And not in a bad way.

 

[Hoosier16]

Random Thursday night tip:Almost 60% of Thursday night games go under. Basically, what I took from that is that if you're on the fence between a player playing a Thursday night game and a Sunday (all else being fairly equal) - there is a chance (albiet slight) that the Tursday player will score less simply by virtue of the fact that he's playing on Thursday, given history.

If that is true over a number of years, then the lines have also already been adjusted down and the effect is bigger than the 60% number would make it appear.

 

[Avery]

I hate Thursday games. I don't know if it's just me, or if it affects everyone in similar ways, but if I have a player in a Thursday night game, I can always count on being disappointed in them. I actually calculated the numbers earlier this week when I considered benching Brandon Marshall (seriously) because I knew that he would disappoint me this week.

In my main leauge, over the past three seasons, I've had 35 skill position fantasy players in a PPR league...

4 QB's - Average points score 15.11 (player overall average in year played, 25.93)

11 RB's - Average points scored 7.43 (player overall average in year played, 15.35)

15 WR's - Average points scored 7.79 (player overall average in year played, 14.17)

5 TE's - Average points scored 5.50 (player overall average in year played, 11.02)

I had ONE player out of those 35 that outperformed their season average in a Thursday night game (Marshawn Lynch in the "skittles" game last year).

Now, this could all just be tremendously bad luck on my end...but it's been going on for years now, and anytime I see one of my players scheduled on a Thursday, I will think twice about starting them. I ended up starting Marshall, since he was my best receiever, but going forward, if I have two relative similar players to choose from, I'll definitely be choosing the non-Thursday night player.

I hear ya. I guess by definition it can't be anything more than coincidence but it seems like this happesn to me too. If I start a "good" player, they are MIA. One think I HAVE noticed is if Julius Peppers or Cameron Wake are on Thursday games, and you play IDP of course, you MUST start them. They always seem to play big.

Maybe it is coincidence - but its also possible that many players just have a tougher time performing on the short week.

This. I wonder the same thing.

I've believed this for a while.For the team:

Less time to removed from the previous week.

Less time for the coaching staff to look over last weeks tape and instruct players as what can be worked on.

Less time for the coaching staff to game plan.

Less time for players to practice and institute above.

Furthermore...

For me:

Less time to work on trades

Less time to make lineup decisions

Also, I know I'll come across as an old grumpy *******, which I probably am, but I like the tradition of football on Sunday and Monday. Of it all happening right in those two days. I like sitting down with my cup of coffee Sunday morning and finalizing all my lineups. Thursday games screw that all up.

Finall in a larger sense, the NFL takes something special, like the Thanksgiving games, and extrapolates, "Hey! If people like a specials games once a year, they'll like it 17 times as much every week!" It's the same thought as interleague play in baseball. The truth is, it dilutes it all and takes away any specialness that the cache of the limited primetime games had by making them a usual occurrence.

 

[beaux]

2. If you are upset because players you have did not do well, you are taking this game way too seriously...

We all spend a lot of time on this here fantasy football board - I think the seriousness is a given. And not in a bad way.

Most of us spend time here because most of us don't want to spend the day working...

 

[Cato]

Almost 60% of Thursday night games go under.

This is potentially awesome insight in regards to making lineup decisions. Just curious, what's the sample size, or how far back does this study go? Won't use it as an absolute bias towards players, only when choosing between two "equal" players.Thanks,

 

[Shutout]

I hate Thursday games. I don't know if it's just me, or if it affects everyone in similar ways, but if I have a player in a Thursday night game, I can always count on being disappointed in them. I actually calculated the numbers earlier this week when I considered benching Brandon Marshall (seriously) because I knew that he would disappoint me this week.

In my main leauge, over the past three seasons, I've had 35 skill position fantasy players in a PPR league...

4 QB's - Average points score 15.11 (player overall average in year played, 25.93)

11 RB's - Average points scored 7.43 (player overall average in year played, 15.35)

15 WR's - Average points scored 7.79 (player overall average in year played, 14.17)

5 TE's - Average points scored 5.50 (player overall average in year played, 11.02)

I had ONE player out of those 35 that outperformed their season average in a Thursday night game (Marshawn Lynch in the "skittles" game last year).

Now, this could all just be tremendously bad luck on my end...but it's been going on for years now, and anytime I see one of my players scheduled on a Thursday, I will think twice about starting them. I ended up starting Marshall, since he was my best receiever, but going forward, if I have two relative similar players to choose from, I'll definitely be choosing the non-Thursday night player.

I hear ya. I guess by definition it can't be anything more than coincidence but it seems like this happesn to me too. If I start a "good" player, they are MIA. One think I HAVE noticed is if Julius Peppers or Cameron Wake are on Thursday games, and you play IDP of course, you MUST start them. They always seem to play big.

Maybe it is coincidence - but its also possible that many players just have a tougher time performing on the short week.

This. I wonder the same thing.

I've believed this for a while.For the team:

Less time to removed from the previous week.

Less time for the coaching staff to look over last weeks tape and instruct players as what can be worked on.

Less time for the coaching staff to game plan.

Less time for players to practice and institute above.

Furthermore...

For me:

Less time to work on trades

Less time to make lineup decisions

Also, I know I'll come across as an old grumpy *******, which I probably am, but I like the tradition of football on Sunday and Monday. Of it all happening right in those two days. I like sitting down with my cup of coffee Sunday morning and finalizing all my lineups. Thursday games screw that all up.

Finall in a larger sense, the NFL takes something special, like the Thanksgiving games, and extrapolates, "Hey! If people like a specials games once a year, they'll like it 17 times as much every week!" It's the same thought as interleague play in baseball. The truth is, it dilutes it all and takes away any specialness that the cache of the limited primetime games had by making them a usual occurrence.

I agree. I used to get excited about that Thursday game, even if the teams were crap or I didn't care for the Lions or Cowboys. I guess I associate it with all things around the holiday and uniqueness. But this year, especially, it will be just "1 of 16" or whatever. No biggie.

 

[Judge Smails]

Watched the game, ended a little after 8:30, still had time to go to a concert at 9. What's the problem? Love the West Coast!

 

[Timmay]

I started Cutler in all 3 of my leagues this week, But i still have faith in my other guys to still give me a chance to win, obviously i wish he would of done better, but it is, what it is and now im hoping my other guys will step up big time.

 

[footballnerd]

Watched the game, ended a little after 8:30, still had time to go to a concert at 9. What's the problem? Love the West Coast!

+1 minus the concert. TNF is awesome. Not like its really new or anything

 

[kerntuber]

So if players under-perform somewhat on a short week, will they over-perform the next week when they have more rest, practice, game-planning? That might be interesting. It does seem that teams perform better coming off a bye, maybe the same trend will continue with all the Thursday night games. Start all your Cowboys and Giants this week, and your Packers and Bears next week.

 

[Shutout]

So if players under-perform somewhat on a short week, will they over-perform the next week when they have more rest, practice, game-planning? That might be interesting. It does seem that teams perform better coming off a bye, maybe the same trend will continue with all the Thursday night games. Start all your Cowboys and Giants this week, and your Packers and Bears next week.

Well, for the Giants it obviously worked..Not so much on those Cowboys.After one round, its a push.

 

[SameSongNDance]

I'm legitimately buying into this and am legitimately scared to start Nicks on a short week here. Don't get me wrong, he's going to be starting for me regardless but I really don't feel like seeing another 4 catch 38 yard performance.

I've also been waiting to build up enough confidence to flex LaFell but again, I'm afraid, even though he has an extremely sexy match up.

Thursday Night football is killing me. Got burned twice (Nicks, J. Jones) and was lucky to come out of each week unscathed.

Bah.