blind-bid free-agent auctions/waivers (1 Viewer)

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My concern as a Commish is that almost everything mentioned is solved with having waivers and not having an open add situation. Also, if you use a bid amount then you are not rewarding the lesser teams (which is the point when going to reverse standings leagues.)

Outside of that, it is all about preference.

To respond to your comments:1-My league on RTS has both. Wed night blind bid waiver at 11pm. Website automatically awards players. Then, from Thurs 8am - Sun 1pm, it's FCFS.

2-You used the word "reward"............I don't WANT to REWARD the lesser teams. And why should we?

In the REAL NFL, Tennessee didn't go out and get Chris Simms because they sucked the 1st week........THEY OFFERED HIM THE BEST CONTRACT (and maybe the only contract). Blind bid is just like NFL FA.......players sign for the most money. I would never play in a league that is worst to first........It's Fantasy Football Welfare and diminishes the importance of the draft and good roster management.

Uh, almost every league that has keepers or dynasty rewards worst to first and so does the NFL for the draft. Baseball does the same thing with released players for waivers...Needless to say I disagree with you

Sorry, GB LT, but all those people are wrong.

Care to elaborate?

This probably isn't the time to rehash the old "abolish the NFL draft" argument beyond my continued assertion that it is increasingly unneccessary in a league with a hard salary cap.And baseball doesn't compare because of its inherent competitive imbalance. Once could probably argue the point that a "worst to first" system is necessary in that sport because of its other problems.

But fantasy football, especially if you're in auction leagues (which I believe you are), create about as even a playing field as a game could have. Everyone has the same opportunities to procure players and blind bidding simply extends this philosophy. By their very natures, a draft or a free agent procurement procedure other than blind bidding, is an artificial helping hand to those who have not been successful playing by the same rules as everyone else.

I've seen the arguments that worst to first is necessary in dynasty leagues to keep owners from being discouraged but I believe that, if it's as necessary as people say, then it's an example of an inherent flaw in dynasty leagues.

Thanks for responding...I am not in an auction league. Obviously, in an auction league the order is less important. I play in a dynasty league and believe that it is good for the game to give the teams that finished last the 1st pick in the draft. It makes the league more competitive. the better managers win more than the ones that aren't, but you need to give the teams at the bottom a chance and it makes the league more competitive and fun.

 

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My concern as a Commish is that almost everything mentioned is solved with having waivers and not having an open add situation. Also, if you use a bid amount then you are not rewarding the lesser teams (which is the point when going to reverse standings leagues.)

Outside of that, it is all about preference.

To respond to your comments:1-My league on RTS has both. Wed night blind bid waiver at 11pm. Website automatically awards players. Then, from Thurs 8am - Sun 1pm, it's FCFS.

2-You used the word "reward"............I don't WANT to REWARD the lesser teams. And why should we?

In the REAL NFL, Tennessee didn't go out and get Chris Simms because they sucked the 1st week........THEY OFFERED HIM THE BEST CONTRACT (and maybe the only contract). Blind bid is just like NFL FA.......players sign for the most money. I would never play in a league that is worst to first........It's Fantasy Football Welfare and diminishes the importance of the draft and good roster management.

Uh, almost every league that has keepers or dynasty rewards worst to first and so does the NFL for the draft. Baseball does the same thing with released players for waivers...Needless to say I disagree with you

Sorry, GB LT, but all those people are wrong.

Care to elaborate?

This probably isn't the time to rehash the old "abolish the NFL draft" argument beyond my continued assertion that it is increasingly unneccessary in a league with a hard salary cap.And baseball doesn't compare because of its inherent competitive imbalance. Once could probably argue the point that a "worst to first" system is necessary in that sport because of its other problems.

But fantasy football, especially if you're in auction leagues (which I believe you are), create about as even a playing field as a game could have. Everyone has the same opportunities to procure players and blind bidding simply extends this philosophy. By their very natures, a draft or a free agent procurement procedure other than blind bidding, is an artificial helping hand to those who have not been successful playing by the same rules as everyone else.

I've seen the arguments that worst to first is necessary in dynasty leagues to keep owners from being discouraged but I believe that, if it's as necessary as people say, then it's an example of an inherent flaw in dynasty leagues.

Thanks for responding...I am not in an auction league. Obviously, in an auction league the order is less important. I play in a dynasty league and believe that it is good for the game to give the teams that finished last the 1st pick in the draft. It makes the league more competitive. the better managers win more than the ones that aren't, but you need to give the teams at the bottom a chance and it makes the league more competitive and fun.

I have no problem with a Dynasty or Deep Keeper league doing their draft that way.......it mirrors the NFL Draft and is supposed to allow teams at the bottom to rebuild in the offseason. (in fact my keeper league drafts Last to First for the 1st 3 rounds and then it serpentines the rest of the way.......I've tried to sell my league on auction several times w/ no results )BUT, in season Free Agents........that's entirely different story! After the intial draft, EVERY TEAM s/b treated equal and blind bid is the best way to award FAs. It makes teams draft for depth as well as draft with bye weeks in mind and if they don't..........they better be prepared to open their wallet to fix THEIR MISTAKE. It's not the league's responsibility to hold their hand and bring them to the front of the FA Line.

Also, blind bid prevents shenanigans later in the season. Let's say you're using the Worst to First FA system and the 0-8 owner gets first FA pick and his buddy has a tough matchup this week against a division rival who needs a RB for this wkend. The buddy could potentially ask his 0-8 buddy to pick up the prized FA to PREVENT his divisional opponent from getting him. That wouldn't happen using blind bid.

And another thing regarding the FA process with blind bidding: IMO, it should be used with REAL DOLLARS whereby owners that bid should have to pay that amount into the league coffers. Leagues with free transactions tend to have a higher "shenanigan" factor as owners can manipulate things. We've all read the countless stories about leagues where 1 owner picks up all the available FA QBs or Ks and drops them one by one to "put the screws" to another owner.

 

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just wanted to make one last recommendation that people give this a shot while it's still early in the season. did it last year and had forgotten how wonderful it is until this weekend. a short list of the benefits-no worrying about racing to the wire at 3 am tuesday morning or during the games on sundays-no dealing with a silly waiver system that'll never be fair-having a real job or a family doesn't handicap people-for the fantasy junkies, you have even more excitement during the week, planning for FA bids-you can see how weekly practices go before having to make any free-agent moves-you get to incorporate a season-long strategy approach to FA bidding-owners are rewarded for being smarter, not for having more consistent internet access-people won't complain all season when they miss out on hot free-agentsanyway, just thought i'd offer a testimonial as a former "drop/add junkie" who originally thought fantasy football would be less fun without the "free-for-all" free-agent system. if you've never considered it, i'd strongly recommend getting it incorporated ASAP, your league will thank you.sites, like mfl and rtsports do it for you, but if you're like me and don't play on one of those sites, it can be done manually. done manually, there is a bit of legwork, but it's not too bad and it's completely worth it.

Please explain how your rules work. We are in the first year of a dynasty and I'd like to have some input.