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Bloom's 3 round mock (1 Viewer)
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Chaos Commish
Footballguy
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CC,you of all people know how difficult this is this year. I can't count the iterations this went through (or could have gone through if I had allowed myself to continue to hem and haw about picks)
Max Power
Footballguy
Nice Mock... One question though. If the Bears do take Albert that early, is it really in their best intrest to move him to OT where he is more of a project or let him be a beast of an OG for at least this season. Bears are weak at OT and G, so I don't understand drafting an experienced OG and moving him outside. (at least for this season)
But then again this season is looking like a rebuilding year for Da Bears, so I guess it can't hurt.
But then again this season is looking like a rebuilding year for Da Bears, so I guess it can't hurt.
EBF
Footballguy
Good stuff. I think you have a solid handle on the draft stock of these players. As much as I dislike Doucet from an FF perspective, I couldn't really knock a team for taking him in the late first. He'll be a decent NFL player. He just doesn't have much upside.
I'll be a bit surprised if someone doesn't roll the dice on Kevin Smith in the first three rounds. He's a polarizing player, but he's the type of guy a handful of teams will probably fall in love with. He's a better prospect than recent top 100 picks like Brian Leonard, Tony Hunt, and Garrett Wolfe.
I'll be a bit surprised if someone doesn't roll the dice on Kevin Smith in the first three rounds. He's a polarizing player, but he's the type of guy a handful of teams will probably fall in love with. He's a better prospect than recent top 100 picks like Brian Leonard, Tony Hunt, and Garrett Wolfe.
He can play immediately at guard and play well, and the potential to move to tackle is just a bonus. I don't necessarily think they draft him with a clear intention to move him to tackle.
WampusCat43
Footballguy
Sadly, it looks like the Bengals are going to have to address WR issues now, not that they didn't bring it on themselves.
Buddy Ball 2K3
Footballguy
Just gonna comment on my Eagles
19. Philadelphia - James Hardy, WR, Indiana I LOVE THIS PICK, however I do not think the Eagles pass on a OT like Otah if he is there
49. Philadelphia - Brandon Flowers, CB, Virginia Tech - More of a Justin King guy myself and I think he would be an absolute steal in the 2nd round
80. Philadelphia - Andre Fluellen, DT, Florida State - please not another DT
19. Philadelphia - James Hardy, WR, Indiana I LOVE THIS PICK, however I do not think the Eagles pass on a OT like Otah if he is there
49. Philadelphia - Brandon Flowers, CB, Virginia Tech - More of a Justin King guy myself and I think he would be an absolute steal in the 2nd round
80. Philadelphia - Andre Fluellen, DT, Florida State - please not another DT
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Deranged Hermit
Not cool & Pissed
I'd love to see the Bears get Chris Williams at their pick, but I don't see it happening. A OG would be a reach at that point, but I could see it happening.Also, I agree with the Eagle's WR pick. From what I know, if a WR were to go to them in the 1st, it'll probably be Hardy. That being said, I'll believe that they'll take a position other than OL or DL when I see it....
Godsbrother
Footballguy
I'll actually be surprised if the Steelers go o-line with their second round if they do so on their first.
They need depth at DE badly and could use help at safety, CB, LB and WR.
They need depth at DE badly and could use help at safety, CB, LB and WR.
I think you as well as some other posters I've read are overreacting to cincy's wr "mess". Both CJ and housh will come in on time and play hard all season long. Cincy lost their #3 wr of course but there's no reason for them to start panicking about their wrs
I think you as well as some other posters I've read are overreacting to cincy's wr "mess". Both CJ and housh will come in on time and play hard all season long. Cincy lost their #3 wr of course but there's no reason for them to start panicking about their wrs
icecat4270
Footballguy
Just curious about the King Dunlop pick in the third. He had a very disappointing Senior season at Auburn even losing his starting job, somewhat to injury but also due to poor performance. He is huge and has room to gain strength and weight but I had been hearing of him being drafted in the last couple of rounds. Has something happened recently to move him up the boards?
Great work from the Great Sigmund Bloom.
I have to stop reading these things - they really slow my own down.
Now here's a question for you - the Pats need a LB and Rivers just solidified his status as the guy this week - could they go that route? Just throwing it out there to see what the room thinks.
I have to stop reading these things - they really slow my own down.
Now here's a question for you - the Pats need a LB and Rivers just solidified his status as the guy this week - could they go that route? Just throwing it out there to see what the room thinks.
I usually inflate the value of guys who have the raw tools to hang at LT. I've seen some LTs who were poor college players but still had NFL frames and athleticism go in the 3rd, and Dunlap seems to fit the bill.
I certainly wouldn't rule him out - he's vicious and as you pointed out, fills a big need. He's also the kind of ultraversatile player that fits in that D.Great work from the Great Sigmund Bloom.I have to stop reading these things - they really slow my own down.Now here's a question for you - the Pats need a LB and Rivers just solidified his status as the guy this week - could they go that route? Just throwing it out there to see what the room thinks.
Whiplash Inc.
Footballguy
dirk diggler
Footballguy
How much do you think the Jets drafting of McFadden would hurt Thomas Jones? Do you think it's posisble that Jones could still be the workhorse next year even with McFadden in town? If so, he could be a fantastic value next year.
Jones could still play a Deuce to McFadden's Bush - and Jones seems to get hot in games when he gets a lot of touches. Of course Jones loses value, but I would say most people would overreact.
dirk diggler
Footballguy
Thanks. Nice work BTW. Love it!
5-ish Finkle
Footballguy
Nice work, Sig. I know what a pain projecting this stuff is. Thanks for the read.
See, I'm the exact opposite of you here, GB. While I agree with your "focus" list I won't be surprised at all if Pittsburgh took 2 offensive lineman in the first two rounds. Their need on the OL is basically just as large as their need for quality depth on the other side of the line. And they have 100 million+ reasons to revamp the offensive side STAT.As to the mock, I'm not sure the Steelers'd need to target a guard if they took Otah. Right now, he's a RT(and should be a very good one). That frees up Colon to shift inside. At that point, Rachal becomes a little bit redundant since they'd have Colon, Kemo, Mahan, possibly Stapleton(though it's unlikely they'd move him from C) and Simmons(who they re-upped a year ago long term) already vying for two guard spots. Otah would be one tackle. Smith, health permitting is the other, and then they have......??? Essex isn't that fantastic, I believe Starks is going to have that tag pulled any time now and they'll watch him walk, and that's pretty much it even if Colon is viewed as the swingman. I think they still have that one younger guy on the PS whose name is escaping me right now, but from where I'm sitting the Steelers need tackles more than guards. Especially if Smith's career is almost over. No one on the roster right now is a real long term answer as a starting LT and I don't know if Otah can do so either yet.Personally, I won't be upset if they use 4 of their 6 picks on OL/DL, in whatever combination it comes out to in whichever round that they're value.
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Jene Bramel
Footballguy
Great job, brother.
16. Arizona - Quentin Groves, OLB/DE, Auburn
The third big winner behind Cincy and Denver, Arizona would be able to line up two of the most dangerous pass rushers in the NFC (Travis LaBoy being the other) even after losing Calvin Pace in free agency. I still think Groves is the best pure pass rusher in this draft.
Dude. Is that like me wanting to type "$1000 to the first person that sees this sentence" in the John Engelberger player page just to see if people are reading along?
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32. Miami - Curtis Lofton, LB, Oklahoma
Lofton will set a physical tone for the new defense in Miami.
Just starting my prep, but is Lofton physical enough to make the Tuna overlook his preference for big backers?
What kind of Chris Henry-esque stretch the field threats do you see available for Cincinnati in the third? Is there a potential difference maker in the second that could fill the Chad Johnson big play/deep possession type role? Which of that deep second tier of wideouts is the best fit there? And I think the Bengals would look real hard at Clady if there isn't a difference maker on defense there.
16. Arizona - Quentin Groves, OLB/DE, Auburn
The third big winner behind Cincy and Denver, Arizona would be able to line up two of the most dangerous pass rushers in the NFC (Travis LaBoy being the other) even after losing Calvin Pace in free agency. I still think Groves is the best pure pass rusher in this draft.
Dude. Is that like me wanting to type "$1000 to the first person that sees this sentence" in the John Engelberger player page just to see if people are reading along?
.32. Miami - Curtis Lofton, LB, Oklahoma
Lofton will set a physical tone for the new defense in Miami.
Just starting my prep, but is Lofton physical enough to make the Tuna overlook his preference for big backers?
What kind of Chris Henry-esque stretch the field threats do you see available for Cincinnati in the third? Is there a potential difference maker in the second that could fill the Chad Johnson big play/deep possession type role? Which of that deep second tier of wideouts is the best fit there? And I think the Bengals would look real hard at Clady if there isn't a difference maker on defense there.
Jeff Pasquino
Footballguy
Carolina taking a QB in Round 3. Interesting, but I don't know if I buy into that.
They have Delhomme and Moore, do they really go for a third QB in Round 3? Especially with seeing DEs going in your mock shortly thereafter and the thoughts that Peppers may be gone after this season, I might think they lean in that direction.
They have Delhomme and Moore, do they really go for a third QB in Round 3? Especially with seeing DEs going in your mock shortly thereafter and the thoughts that Peppers may be gone after this season, I might think they lean in that direction.
Boston
Footballguy
While I also think the Pats will deal out of #7 (up or down are possibilities) I really like the thinking here should they keep this pick. Adding four young prospects to their D is just what the doctor ordered. The Pats O is in great shape for the near future. They can use some additions but there's nothing urgent that needs to be addressed. The D is another story. Adding a crop of young defenders to Warren-Wilfork-Seymour would put the Pats in a position to stay balanced on both sides of the ball and keep contending on a yearly basis. The Pats D really needs to get a little faster and more athletic and this is the way to accomplish it...and the fact three of the four players will be making low money for a a few years is another bonus that gives them more flexibility next offseason.
One thing to note about Harvey. BB is very tight with Urban Meyer and they'll have a very good handle on whether he can be productive in their D.
By the way...since you had Jones going to the Pats in the third I thought you might find this interesting:
Jones set for pre-draft visit
Link|Comments (0) Posted by Mike Reiss, Globe Staff April 4, 2008 04:38 PM
The Patriots will host Eastern Michigan DE/OLB Jason Jones on a pre-draft visit April 13-14.
At 6-foot-5, 273 pounds, Jones would most likely project to outside linebacker in the Patriots' 3-4 alignment. He could also play with his hand on the ground in sub packages.
Jones, who is projected as an early-to-mid-round pick, began his career as a tight end before moving to the defensive line for the 2005 season. The Pro Football Weekly draft preview notes that Jones had his arm length measured at 36.5 inches, the second longest of any player at the NFL combine.
NFL teams are allowed up to 30 in-house visits with prospects before the draft. The visits do not include workouts, so they are essentially a final interview and medical check.
CHARTING THE VISITS: CB Antoine Cason (Arizona), CB Charles Godfrey (Iowa), CB Terrell Thomas (USC), RB Darren McFadden (Arkansas), LB Keith Rivers (USC), and DE/LB Darrell Robertson (Georgia Tech) are among those scheduled to have pre-draft visits to the Patriots. ... It was previously reported in this space that CB Brandon Flowers (Virginia Tech) was scheduled to visit the Patriots. That information was incorrect. Flowers is not scheduled to visit the team before the draft.
http://www.boston.com/sports/football/patriots/reiss_pieces/
One thing to note about Harvey. BB is very tight with Urban Meyer and they'll have a very good handle on whether he can be productive in their D.
By the way...since you had Jones going to the Pats in the third I thought you might find this interesting:
Jones set for pre-draft visit
Link|Comments (0) Posted by Mike Reiss, Globe Staff April 4, 2008 04:38 PM
The Patriots will host Eastern Michigan DE/OLB Jason Jones on a pre-draft visit April 13-14.
At 6-foot-5, 273 pounds, Jones would most likely project to outside linebacker in the Patriots' 3-4 alignment. He could also play with his hand on the ground in sub packages.
Jones, who is projected as an early-to-mid-round pick, began his career as a tight end before moving to the defensive line for the 2005 season. The Pro Football Weekly draft preview notes that Jones had his arm length measured at 36.5 inches, the second longest of any player at the NFL combine.
NFL teams are allowed up to 30 in-house visits with prospects before the draft. The visits do not include workouts, so they are essentially a final interview and medical check.
CHARTING THE VISITS: CB Antoine Cason (Arizona), CB Charles Godfrey (Iowa), CB Terrell Thomas (USC), RB Darren McFadden (Arkansas), LB Keith Rivers (USC), and DE/LB Darrell Robertson (Georgia Tech) are among those scheduled to have pre-draft visits to the Patriots. ... It was previously reported in this space that CB Brandon Flowers (Virginia Tech) was scheduled to visit the Patriots. That information was incorrect. Flowers is not scheduled to visit the team before the draft.
http://www.boston.com/sports/football/patriots/reiss_pieces/
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Couch Potato
Footballguy
Thanks for this, Bloomsie.
You know 100x what I do about rookies and the draft, but given the studying I've done this past week to catch up to where everyone else seems to be on the subject, the 20 or so mocks I've looked at from all over the net, etc., I'd be stunned if six WRs are taken in the first 28 picks. The WR group just isn't that strong this year, and this draft class is stronger in other areas. I think probably Hardy and Doucet fall to the 2nd round, and depending on how teams feel about the knees, Kelly possibly as well.
You know 100x what I do about rookies and the draft, but given the studying I've done this past week to catch up to where everyone else seems to be on the subject, the 20 or so mocks I've looked at from all over the net, etc., I'd be stunned if six WRs are taken in the first 28 picks. The WR group just isn't that strong this year, and this draft class is stronger in other areas. I think probably Hardy and Doucet fall to the 2nd round, and depending on how teams feel about the knees, Kelly possibly as well.
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Jeff Pasquino
Footballguy
I appreciate the hard work and effort Bloom, but I don't know if Philly is going WR in Round 1 either.Seems like there's no clear cut WR to go after this year, so they may just take best WR available in Round 2 (or even 3). Andy Reid just loves linemen.I do love the Adibi to the Colts pick. That's a perfect match.Ray Rice to AZ is pretty good as well, as is Eddie Royal to the Rams. Those are all good matches.Just chiming in my 
Im looking at this almost like last year's draft, where they are focused in the first, and have a player they like a lot who is part of the same unit fall to them in the 2nd that they are so high on that they have to take him. I don't know if they would have taken Timmons if they knew Woodley was going to be there in the 2nd - that's the kind of scenario I see unfolding in this mock.I do see Otah as them taking a crack at filling that LT position for the long haul, so that could still leave Colon at RT in the big picture, leaving guard as an opening.As far as redundancy, I have to refer back to Timmons/Woodley last year (and Spaeth didn't exactly fill a glaring need - 2nd TE)5-ish Finkle said:
LaBoy gets no respectJene Bramel said:Great job, brother.
16. Arizona - Quentin Groves, OLB/DE, Auburn
The third big winner behind Cincy and Denver, Arizona would be able to line up two of the most dangerous pass rushers in the NFC (Travis LaBoy being the other) even after losing Calvin Pace in free agency. I still think Groves is the best pure pass rusher in this draft.
Dude. Is that like me wanting to type "$1000 to the first person that sees this sentence" in the John Engelberger player page just to see if people are reading along?.
32. Miami - Curtis Lofton, LB, Oklahoma
Lofton will set a physical tone for the new defense in Miami.
Just starting my prep, but is Lofton physical enough to make the Tuna overlook his preference for big backers?
What kind of Chris Henry-esque stretch the field threats do you see available for Cincinnati in the third? Is there a potential difference maker in the second that could fill the Chad Johnson big play/deep possession type role? Which of that deep second tier of wideouts is the best fit there? And I think the Bengals would look real hard at Clady if there isn't a difference maker on defense there.
I like Lofton to be that kind of downhill LB who plays bigger than his size, although you're right that lacks the natural size Tuna likes.Donnie Avery, Eddie Royal, and Dexter Jackson are all good stretch the field guys. The only size/speed guy out there that would be available in the 3rd is the raw Paul Hubbard - that was the whole thing with Henry, a guy with his physical talent should not have been there in the 3rd.
I like Earl Bennett the best to be a Chad type of the guys that would be available at their 2nd in this mock. He's also quite possibly the best fit.
Tackle is definitely a position they need to address - I have Nicks falling to them in the 3rd (no bengals police blotter jokes please)
Nicks is a good enough prospect to go early 2nd, but I have Nicks sliding a round because of the character issue hanging over him.Max Power said:
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Mr. Peterson
Footballguy
Every time I look at a mock I check for two things. Who do you have my Bills taking and who will be the 1.4 rookie pick if the draft went your way (owner of the pick in two leagues).
And I have to tell you I really like both.
I'm a little worried about Kelly in the 1st round but I wouldn't be mad. But I would rather see CB in the 1st and WR in the 2nd because the position is so deep with talent this year.
And Chris Johnson to Denver in the 2nd? That can be fantasy GOLD!!!
And I have to tell you I really like both.
I'm a little worried about Kelly in the 1st round but I wouldn't be mad. But I would rather see CB in the 1st and WR in the 2nd because the position is so deep with talent this year.
And Chris Johnson to Denver in the 2nd?
That can be fantasy GOLD!!!
Delhomme is 33 and has a reconstructed elbow - I see no reason for them to feel settled for the long term him, and while Moore was game and is definitely a good backup and spot starter, but not so impressive that they would forgo taking a chance on a high upside QB of the future. Also, once we get to the third a lot of teams that seem set come into play because a QB can easily be their BPA - picks like Buffalo taking Edwards and San Diego taking Whitehurst come to mind.It's certainly not a glaring need, and I dont expect a QB in their first two picks.Jeff Pasquino said:
Thanks for the info - I projected Jones to them exactly for the reason they point out - he can play all over the place in the front 7.Boston said:
Max Power
Footballguy
Is there more to it than that one night drinking were he was cited for not leaving a party?
Wouldn't surprise me in the least bit to see Philly go conservative and long term with the pick instead of a flashy pick - definitely their style. Im projecting Hardy as an extension of the same impulse that made them go after Moss - just trying to get that trump card for the passing offense - can't get that in round 2 or 3.I almost gave Rice to the Bears in the 2nd, seems to fit just as well - also Dizon to Indy in the 3rd instead of Adibi in the 2nd - also perfect fit. The Rams NEED Royal, but he might not last that long.
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5-ish Finkle
Footballguy
True enough, I suppose.As far as Otah ever being a quality NFL LT, maybe they do feel that's where he's headed. What about you, though, Sig? Do you really think he has that in him, or that's just what you think the Steelers believe? Don't get me wrong, I like Otah. There's just something I can't quite put my finger on about him that makes me not have a ton of faith in him being a frachise weakside guy. Maybe it's just the rawness.Don't even get me started about the Matt Spaeth pick from a year ago.
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Its my understanding that there were already some character concerns about Nicks, before the new incident
Dexter Manley
Footballguy
Exactly what character issue are you talking about? The only time he has gotten in trouble to my knowledge is when the LPD broke up the party at Purify's house, when Nicks, Purify, and a couple others were downstairs in the movie room, not even partying.From what I heard, the cops cleared everyone out of the place who didn't live there, as is their policy when breaking up parties in Lincoln. Nicks was staying at the house for all the time he was in Lincoln, but wasn't officially a resident. The cops told him to leave, Nicks explained to them that he was staying there as long as he was in Lincoln, and the cops immediately arrested him without hesitation. Pretty unreasonable on the police side, imo, but the LPD are notorious for being wannabe storm troopers when it comes to breaking up parties. What's Nicks supposed to do? Roam the streets until dawn?If there are additional character issues about Nicks, please share.
I don't have any specific incidents to cite other than the arrest, but the subsequent banning from the Pro Day suggests that there were more that went unreported, and NFLDraftScout also reported that Nicks had "previously drawn concerns from NFL teams for character issues"
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Jene Bramel
Footballguy
I like what I'm reading about Bennett and Avery. I'm now officially rooting for one or the other with the 2nd rounder, even if a potential impact defender doesn't come in the first.The Johnson/Henry developments, in addition to the continued lack to attention paid to the front seven, has me completely meh about this team. Won't surprise me to see three of the first four picks go offense (OL, WR, RB/TE), especially if Thurman is reinstated.LaBoy gets no respectJene Bramel said:Great job, brother.
16. Arizona - Quentin Groves, OLB/DE, Auburn
The third big winner behind Cincy and Denver, Arizona would be able to line up two of the most dangerous pass rushers in the NFC (Travis LaBoy being the other) even after losing Calvin Pace in free agency. I still think Groves is the best pure pass rusher in this draft.
Dude. Is that like me wanting to type "$1000 to the first person that sees this sentence" in the John Engelberger player page just to see if people are reading along?.
32. Miami - Curtis Lofton, LB, Oklahoma
Lofton will set a physical tone for the new defense in Miami.
Just starting my prep, but is Lofton physical enough to make the Tuna overlook his preference for big backers?
What kind of Chris Henry-esque stretch the field threats do you see available for Cincinnati in the third? Is there a potential difference maker in the second that could fill the Chad Johnson big play/deep possession type role? Which of that deep second tier of wideouts is the best fit there? And I think the Bengals would look real hard at Clady if there isn't a difference maker on defense there.I like Lofton to be that kind of downhill LB who plays bigger than his size, although you're right that lacks the natural size Tuna likes.
Donnie Avery, Eddie Royal, and Dexter Jackson are all good stretch the field guys. The only size/speed guy out there that would be available in the 3rd is the raw Paul Hubbard - that was the whole thing with Henry, a guy with his physical talent should not have been there in the 3rd.
I like Earl Bennett the best to be a Chad type of the guys that would be available at their 2nd in this mock. He's also quite possibly the best fit.
Tackle is definitely a position they need to address - I have Nicks falling to them in the 3rd (no bengals police blotter jokes please)
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Maroney=Speed
Footballguy
Best Mock I've seen.Sigmund Bloom said:
radiohead417
Footballguy
Love the mock Bloom - I could pick all to heck the stuff I disagree with, but I'll just go with this: I think Ahtyba Rubin will sneak his way into the first round (to San Diego, is my guess at this point?).
Keep it up, enjoy the stuff big-time even if I disagree.
Keep it up, enjoy the stuff big-time even if I disagree.
Rubin is definitely a pretty unique player in this draft, and a good candidate to go a lot easier than expected. There was a ton of buzz around him at the Shrine Game and Senior Bowl - when I was telling the big man about it, one of his reps told him to not listen to me
Chaos Commish
Footballguy
It was subtle but Nebraska coaches basically said that the last incident was the straw that broke the camel's back. I believe all other incidents were kept in-house, so there's nothing to go on beyond the veiled comments and the banning. I like Nicks as an NFL talent, but would have no idea how to accurately project him on draft day.
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Blackjacks
Footballguy
2. St. Louis - Jake Long, OT, Michigan
I hear about Gholston and St. Louis's love for him, but I don't understand how you pass on an NFL ready OT when you have a QB who was having his head examined last year right after he signed a huge deal. It got ugly at OT last year for the Rams, and it could get even uglier without the addition of an instant impact lineman like Long. Orlando Pace might have one good year left, but the Rams can't count on that, and Long would still be an instant improvement at RT. He won't be as dominant as Pace, but he should have the same sort of stabilizing effect on the Rams offense that Joe Thomas did for Cleveland last year.
33. St. Louis - Jerod Mayo, LB, Tennessee
Mayo can provide bulk and strength at outside linebacker, a major need for St. Louis
As a Rams fan I would be very happy with these first picks.
I hear about Gholston and St. Louis's love for him, but I don't understand how you pass on an NFL ready OT when you have a QB who was having his head examined last year right after he signed a huge deal. It got ugly at OT last year for the Rams, and it could get even uglier without the addition of an instant impact lineman like Long. Orlando Pace might have one good year left, but the Rams can't count on that, and Long would still be an instant improvement at RT. He won't be as dominant as Pace, but he should have the same sort of stabilizing effect on the Rams offense that Joe Thomas did for Cleveland last year.
33. St. Louis - Jerod Mayo, LB, Tennessee
Mayo can provide bulk and strength at outside linebacker, a major need for St. Louis
As a Rams fan I would be very happy with these first picks.
Jeff Pasquino
Footballguy
Overall nice job Bloom.
Unfortunately, you are too logical with your choices here. Therefore the Matt Millens and Al Davises aren't accounted for, so it'll never happen.
Unfortunately, you are too logical with your choices here. Therefore the Matt Millens and Al Davises aren't accounted for, so it'll never happen.
