Bloom's Seven Round Mock (1 Viewer)

[Jiggyonthehut]

BTW. What happend to Quinn Pitcock? Some early mocks had him going at the end of the first and you have him at the end of the 4th.

Had been wondering about this myself. Its funny how a solid player who isnt very flashy often gets lost in the ruckus of drafting. The knock on him was athleticism and IIRC, he didnt have a bad combine. Whats the deal here? TIA

 

[Mr. Brownstone]

Sigmund,

Great job! How long did it take you to accomplish this?

 

[Donnybrook]

Players that seem to low to me are Quincy Black and Tim Shaw. I could be that I am too enamored with speed LBs but there is a precedent for LBs that amazed at the Combine going early than expected. (Jordon Beck, James Anderson etc). Both seem like borderline 1st day picks.

 

[nygiants56]

Full Seven Round Mock

Nice Bloom finally,someone from nfldraftguys or nfldraftcountdown who can see the immediate need for the Gmen to go LB/CB at #20!

not sure I agree that Quinn goes to Minnesota, all the talk lately has been that this is a smokescreen for the Vikings, a pretended interest in Quinn, while they really covet AD. Can't see them going for a QB when they drafted Jackson just last season.

regarding AD, he seems to be the driving force after CJ goes #1:

while I would agree that Cleveland *might* go for Russell, the brownies have no RB to speak of, so AD seems like a better fit, no?

as for Detroit, trading down to TB's spot isn't an option? We've heard and read the grumblings that Gruden is dangling Caddy out there as trade bait, in an effort to move up and land AD..is this a possible scenario?

what about Minny, will they try to land Detroit's #2 pick to select AD ?

seems to me that there it at least 3 teams vying for AD: Cleveland, Minny, TB. Wildcards would include Az. with that being said, Detroit's #2 pick becomes a hot commodity. I think someone trades with Detroit, and selects AD with that pick. wouldn't surprise me to see AD go #2 ( TB, Minny), and Lynch #5 to Az.

 

[wadegarrett]

CLE	 3	  JaMarcus, Russell, QB36	Anthony, Spencer, OLB/DE67	Michael, Coe, CB103   Ryan, McBean, DL140   Reggie, Lewis, CB178   Dwayne, Wright, RB213   Walter, Thomas, NT

I like the idea of this draft for the Browns. 2 DL, 2 CB, 1 OLB. All needs for this team. I think if you change the RB to an OL, you might be on to something. I really hope they don't take the positions in the order you have listed, but if Russell is there it would be very likely for the Browns to take him. In round 2 I think the Browns take one of: Sears, Grubbs, Blalock or Ugoh. The middle rounds look pretty good. Wright would be a good value that late, but Thomas looks like he'd fit the Bengals more than the Browns.

Agree. With the exception of Thomas, all needs for the Browns. Not sure about Spencer in the 2nd round though. Have seen some mention he's better suited for the 4-3 defense. Browns really need to hit on their first 3 picks.ETA: to SB. Solid effort.

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

BTW. What happend to Quinn Pitcock? Some early mocks had him going at the end of the first and you have him at the end of the 4th.

Had been wondering about this myself. Its funny how a solid player who isnt very flashy often gets lost in the ruckus of drafting. The knock on him was athleticism and IIRC, he didnt have a bad combine. Whats the deal here? TIA

I thought Pitcock was a nice player coming out of this season, but the buzz is down down down, and he really blended in at the Senior Bowl practices, so that supports the idea that he's on his way down. I was probably too harsh, he could well stay a first day pick, but the talk about him has been that he's merely average, not particularly strong or quick, not a great pass rusher or run stuffer, and so on...

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

Sigmund,Great job! How long did it take you to accomplish this?

Grand total about 15 hours putting it together, about 6-8 cross-checking the class for a team as a whole and making adjustments.

 

[wadegarrett]

Interesting take from King's MMQB.

I've spent the last few days asking several NFL personnel people and scouts what kind of draft this is, and this is the conclusion I've drawn: This league is scared witless about the money it's about to pay this class of rookies, because there aren't enough first-round-caliber players who deserve it.

One executive I spoke with -- a smart football man whom I trust very much -- said his team gave only 18 players first-round grades in its recently concluded draft meetings. That means, as he said, a bunch of second-round-quality players (at least, in this team's view) will be drafted between the middle and end of the first round, and they will make more money than players with holes deserve to make. "I bet you'll see plenty of teams in the mid- to low-first-round trying to trade down, and I bet they'll have a lot of trouble finding trading partners,'' this personnel guy said.

And I don't recall hearing this many questions about top picks in a while. Does Wisconsin tackle Joe Thomas (VIDEO) look so good mostly because the crop of offensive linemen is so weak this year? Will LSU quarterback JaMarcus Russell (VIDEO) stay unspoiled and focused with $25 million in the bank? Is Notre Dame quarterback Brady Quinn (VIDEO) -- the player who scares the teams at the top of this draft the most -- a product of the Charlie Weis system or a bona fide blue chip prospect? The only player question-free is Georgia Tech receiver Calvin Johnson (VIDEO) , who runs like a cornerback (4.35 seconds in the 40-yard dash) and who has tight end size (6-foot-5, 239 pounds).

"The top of this draft board is so weak,'' one top scout said. "Guys will be handed money who haven't done nearly enough to deserve it.''

8. In the eyes of most teams, there seems to be a group of seven players who belong as high-first-round picks: Russell, Johnson, Adams, Peterson, Thomas, Quinn (despite the questions, because he's a quarterback) and safety LaRon Landry of LSU. After that, the questions start. "It's why I'd almost rather be 19 than nine in the first round,'' one GM said. "Because you get to nine, and there's a good chance the guy you have next on your board won't be the guy picked at eight, nine, 10, and the team at nine won't be able to trade back because the value just won't be there.''

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

Players that seem to low to me are Quincy Black and Tim Shaw. I could be that I am too enamored with speed LBs but there is a precedent for LBs that amazed at the Combine going early than expected. (Jordon Beck, James Anderson etc). Both seem like borderline 1st day picks.

I had Shaw as a late first day pick, but Tom Casale from patriots.com, who I generally trust, HATES Shaw and says he's a workout warrior who lacks good football instincts. His stock is "eye of the beholder". Some say "look how versatile he was!" Casale says he really never played well enough to stick at a position. I channeled Casale when I slotted him this time, I could channel someone more optimistic next time, it's hard to say.I could definitely see Black going on the first day. Black is not that different than Justin Durant, who is soaring, especially on the boards of cover/tampa 2 teams.

 

[lord_helmet]

No comment on the Denver draft ? You don't think they will pick a DT, was it an oversight or you have me blacklisted.

Which is it ? Inquiring minds want to know

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

Full Seven Round Mock

Nice Bloom finally,someone from nfldraftguys or nfldraftcountdown who can see the immediate need for the Gmen to go LB/CB at #20!

not sure I agree that Quinn goes to Minnesota, all the talk lately has been that this is a smokescreen for the Vikings, a pretended interest in Quinn, while they really covet AD. Can't see them going for a QB when they drafted Jackson just last season.

regarding AD, he seems to be the driving force after CJ goes #1:

while I would agree that Cleveland *might* go for Russell, the brownies have no RB to speak of, so AD seems like a better fit, no?

as for Detroit, trading down to TB's spot isn't an option? We've heard and read the grumblings that Gruden is dangling Caddy out there as trade bait, in an effort to move up and land AD..is this a possible scenario?

what about Minny, will they try to land Detroit's #2 pick to select AD ?

seems to me that there it at least 3 teams vying for AD: Cleveland, Minny, TB. Wildcards would include Az. with that being said, Detroit's #2 pick becomes a hot commodity. I think someone trades with Detroit, and selects AD with that pick. wouldn't surprise me to see AD go #2 ( TB, Minny), and Lynch #5 to Az.

Puz or Beason or Timmons are all decent fits at #20.I don't think the fact that Minnesota took Jackson last year precludes them from taking Quinn. Ill explain further when I post the commentary.

The rest of your post is kind of like the inside of my mind right now, a swirling mass of pick slots, teams, and names.

indeed

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

No comment on the Denver draft ? You don't think they will pick a DT, was it an oversight or you have me blacklisted.Which is it ? Inquiring minds want to know

Sorry, I miss some comments.I did not give Denver a DT more by oversight than specifically feeling that they will intentionally not addressthat position, although I also didn't have it as a top need.I'll give it more weight if I can pull off v2.0

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

8. In the eyes of most teams, there seems to be a group of seven players who belong as high-first-round picks: Russell, Johnson, Adams, Peterson, Thomas, Quinn (despite the questions, because he's a quarterback) and safety LaRon Landry of LSU. After that, the questions start. "It's why I'd almost rather be 19 than nine in the first round,'' one GM said. "Because you get to nine, and there's a good chance the guy you have next on your board won't be the guy picked at eight, nine, 10, and the team at nine won't be able to trade back because the value just won't be there.''

I think some teams will covet Willis, Carriker, Branch and maybe Levi Brown in that 8-15 range, so I disagree that the teams in that range will not be able to trade up, but I understand the sentiment.As far as there not being more than 18 true first rounders, I think CC and others would disagree. A lot it comes down to your opinion of the WR/DE/OLB classes - I think that position will make up a lot of the people who they would say don't have true first round grades.

 

[lord_helmet]

No comment on the Denver draft ? You don't think they will pick a DT, was it an oversight or you have me blacklisted.Which is it ? Inquiring minds want to know

Sorry, I miss some comments.I did not give Denver a DT more by oversight than specifically feeling that they will intentionally not addressthat position, although I also didn't have it as a top need.I'll give it more weight if I can pull off v2.0

Cool, but fact is they only have Warren + scrubs. Even the Big Daddy trade with Miami fell to the ground, seems to me one of the keys to Bates' system is to keep the OL off the LBs. They really need a space eater next to Warren. Not trying to point out mistakes, the mock is an awesome job overall, but assuming you want feedback about potential oversights.

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

assuming you want feedback about potential oversights.

That is exactly the kind of feedback I am looking for. Thanks!

 

[Chaos Commish]

Interesting take from King's MMQB.

I've spent the last few days asking several NFL personnel people and scouts what kind of draft this is, and this is the conclusion I've drawn: This league is scared witless about the money it's about to pay this class of rookies, because there aren't enough first-round-caliber players who deserve it.

One executive I spoke with -- a smart football man whom I trust very much -- said his team gave only 18 players first-round grades in its recently concluded draft meetings. That means, as he said, a bunch of second-round-quality players (at least, in this team's view) will be drafted between the middle and end of the first round, and they will make more money than players with holes deserve to make. "I bet you'll see plenty of teams in the mid- to low-first-round trying to trade down, and I bet they'll have a lot of trouble finding trading partners,'' this personnel guy said.

And I don't recall hearing this many questions about top picks in a while. Does Wisconsin tackle Joe Thomas (VIDEO) look so good mostly because the crop of offensive linemen is so weak this year? Will LSU quarterback JaMarcus Russell (VIDEO) stay unspoiled and focused with $25 million in the bank? Is Notre Dame quarterback Brady Quinn (VIDEO) -- the player who scares the teams at the top of this draft the most -- a product of the Charlie Weis system or a bona fide blue chip prospect? The only player question-free is Georgia Tech receiver Calvin Johnson (VIDEO) , who runs like a cornerback (4.35 seconds in the 40-yard dash) and who has tight end size (6-foot-5, 239 pounds).

"The top of this draft board is so weak,'' one top scout said. "Guys will be handed money who haven't done nearly enough to deserve it.''

8. In the eyes of most teams, there seems to be a group of seven players who belong as high-first-round picks: Russell, Johnson, Adams, Peterson, Thomas, Quinn (despite the questions, because he's a quarterback) and safety LaRon Landry of LSU. After that, the questions start. "It's why I'd almost rather be 19 than nine in the first round,'' one GM said. "Because you get to nine, and there's a good chance the guy you have next on your board won't be the guy picked at eight, nine, 10, and the team at nine won't be able to trade back because the value just won't be there.''

This could be a thread of it's own. I am most comfortable discussing this class in these terms.

 

[Donnybrook]

Players that seem to low to me are Quincy Black and Tim Shaw. I could be that I am too enamored with speed LBs but there is a precedent for LBs that amazed at the Combine going early than expected. (Jordon Beck, James Anderson etc). Both seem like borderline 1st day picks.

I had Shaw as a late first day pick, but Tom Casale from patriots.com, who I generally trust, HATES Shaw and says he's a workout warrior who lacks good football instincts. His stock is "eye of the beholder". Some say "look how versatile he was!" Casale says he really never played well enough to stick at a position. I channeled Casale when I slotted him this time, I could channel someone more optimistic next time, it's hard to say.I could definitely see Black going on the first day. Black is not that different than Justin Durant, who is soaring, especially on the boards of cover/tampa 2 teams.

Good info on Shaw.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Don't know if this makes it easier or not, but here it is by team:

Arizona

Adrian Peterson, RB, Oklahoma

Dashon Goldson, DB, Washington

DeAndre Jackson, CB, Iowa State

Lawrence Timmons, OLB, Florida State

Marshall Yanda, OT/OG, Iowa

Mike DeVito, DT, Maine

Atlanta

Kyle Shotwell, LB, Cal Poly

LaRon Landry, S, LSU

Mason Crosby, K, Colorado

Dwayne Jarrett, WR, USC

H.B. Blades, LB, Pittsburgh

Dan Bazuin, DE, Central Michigan

Dante Rosario, TE/HB, Oregon

Gabe Hall, OT, Texas Tech

Michael Bush, RB, Louisville

Tony Ugoh, OT, Arkansas

Baltimore

Greg Peterson, DE, NC Central

Jacob Bender, OT, Nicholls State

Quinn Pitcock, DT, Ohio State

Brandon McDonald, CB, Memphis

Drew Stanton, QB, Michigan State

Joe Staley, OT, Central Michigan

Kasey Studdard, OG, Texas

Laurent Robinson, WR, Illinois State

Buffalo

Josh Beekman, G/C, Boston College

Matt Trannon, WR, Michigan State

Anthony Arline, CB, Baylor

Antonio Pittman, RB, Ohio State

Martrez Milner, TE, Georgia

Patrick Willis, LB, Ole Miss

Sidney Rice, WR, South Carolina

Toby Korrodi, QB, Central Missouri State

Carolina

Aaron Rouse, S, Virginia Tech

David Harris, LB, Michigan

Greg Olsen, TE, MiamiFL

Julius Wilson, OT, UAB

Kevin Payne, S, LouisianaMonroe

Ryne Robinson, WR/KR, Miami(Ohio)

Tyler Palko, QB, Pittsburgh

Chicago

Ben Grubbs, OG, Auburn

Stephen Nicholas, LB, South Florida

Brandon Myles, WR, West Virginia

Daymeion Hughes, CB, Cal

Jonathan Palmer, OL, Auburn

Justin Harrell, DT, Tennessee

Kevin Boss, TE, Western Oregon

Cincinnati

Jeremy Clark, DT, Alabama

Chris Houston, CB, Arkansas

Jordan Palmer, QB, UTEP

Kolby Smith, RB, Louisville

Mario Henderson, OT, Florida State

Rufus Alexander, LB, Oklahoma

Yamon Figurs, WR/KR, Kansas State

Cleveland

Anthony Spencer, OLB/DE, Purdue

Dwayne Wright, RB, Fresno State

JaMarcus Russell, QB, LSU

Michael Coe, CB, Arkansas State

Reggie Lewis, CB, Florida

Ryan McBean, DL, Oklahoma State

Walter Thomas, NT, NW Mississippi CC

Dallas

Scott Stephenson, C, Iowa State

Matt Gutierrez, QB, Idaho State

Quentin Echols, NT, Kansas State

Anthony Gonzalez, WR, Ohio State

Jacob Ford, DE/OLB, Central Arkansas

Justin Medlock, K, UCLA

Leon Hall, CB, Michigan

Manuel Ramirez, OG, Texas Tech

Melvin Bullitt, S, Texas A&M

Mike Otto, OT, Purdue

Denver

Ahmad Bradshaw, RB, Marshall

Johnnie Lee Higgins, WR, UTEP

Allen Barbre, OT/OG, Missouri Southern

Brandon Meriweather, S, MiamiFl

Charles Johnson, DE, Georgia

Marquise Cole, CB, Northwestern

Marvin White, S, TCU

Detroit

Jeff Samardzija, WR, Notre Dame

Clifton Ryan, DT, Michigan State

Bo Smith, CB, Weber State

Chansi Stuckey, WR, Clemson

Gaines Adams, DE, Clemson

James Marten, OT, Boston College

John Wendling, S, Wyoming

Johnathan Wade, CB, Tennessee

Justin Durant, LB, Hampton

Green Bay

Rhema McKnight, WR, Notre Dame

Tony Taylor, LB, Georgia

C.J. Ah You, DE, Oklahoma

Herb Taylor, OL, TCU

Jacoby Jones, WR, Lane

Marshawn Lynch, RB, Cal

Scott Chandler, TE, Iowa

Tanard Jackson, DB, Syracuse

Travarous Bain, CB, Hampton

Houston

Alan Branch, DT, Michigan

Brandon Frye, OT, Virginia Tech

John Bowie, CB, Cincinnati

Mike Walker, WR, Central Florida

Rashad Barksdale, S, Albany

Tim Crowder, DE, Texas

Indianapolis

Quincy Black, OLB, New Mexico

Tony Hunt, RB, Penn State

Xsavie Jackson, DE, Missouri

Fred Bennett, CB, South Carolina

Chris Davis, WR, Florida State

Dave Ball, WR, New Hampshire

Eric Frampton, S, Washington State

Tank Tyler, DT, NC State

Jacksonville

Deon Anderson, FB, Connecticut

Dallas Baker, WR, Florida

Courtney Brown, CB, Cal Poly

Daniel Parrish, OT, Florida A&M

Brandon Harrison, S, Stanford

Mansfield Wrotto, G/T, Georgia Tech

Ikaika AlamaFrancis, DE, Hawaii

Anthony Waters, ILB, Clemson

Reggie Nelson, S, Florida

Kansas City

Brandon Mebane, DT, California

Marvin Mitchell, LB, Tennessee

Steve Smith, WR, USC

Adam Koets, OT, Oregon State

Ryan Kalil, C, USC

Joe Porter, CB, Rutgers

Miami

Juwan Simpson, LB, Alabama

Lorenzo Booker, RB, Florida State

Nathan Bennett, OG, Clemson

Antonio Johnson, DT, Mississippi State

Enoka Lucas, C, Oregon

Kevin Kolb, QB, Houston

Levi Brown, OT, Penn State

Ray McDonald, DL, Florida

Steve Breaston, WR/KR, Michigan

Minnesota

Brady Quinn, QB, Notre Dame

C.J. Wilson, CB, Baylor

Courtney Taylor, WR, Auburn

Jackie Battle, RB, Houston

Jason Hill, WR, Washington State

Sabby Piscitelli, S, Oregona State

Victor Abiamiri, DE, Notre Dame

New York Giants

James Jones, WR, San Jose State

Matt Spaeth, TE, Minnesota

Nick Folk, K, Arizona

Dustin Fry, OL, Clemson

Corey Hilliard, OT, Oklahoma State

Josh Wilson, CB, Maryland

Ryan Harris, OT, Notre Dame

Paul Posluszny, LB, Penn State

New England

Jared Zabransky, QB/UTIL, Boise State

Steve Vallos, OL, Wake Forest

Kyle Young, OL, Fresno State

Chad Nkang, S, Elon

Jon Beason, LB, MiamiFL

Desmond Bishop, ILB, Cal

Brian Leonard, RB, Rutgers

Kenny Scott, CB, Georgia Tech

Brian Smith, OLB/DE, Missouri

Usama Young, CB, Kent State

New Orleans

Baraka Atkins, DL, MiamiFl

Joe Newton, TE, Oregon State

Corey Graham, CB, New Hampshire

Troy Smith, QB, Ohio State

Brandon Siler, LB, Florida

Earl Everett, OLB, Florida

Robert Meachem, WR, Tennessee

Joe Anoai, DT, Georgia Tech

NY Jets

Aaron Ross, CB, Texas

Zach Miller, TE, Arizona State

Paul Soliai, DT, Utah

Quentin Moses, OLB/DE, Georgia

T.J. Downing, OG, Ohio State

Tim Shaw, OLB/DE, Penn State

Oakland

Roy Hall, WR, Ohio State

Jonny Harline, TE, BYU

Chris Henry, RB, Arizona

Calvin Johnson, WR, Georgia Tech

Doug Free, OT, Northern Illinois

Geoffrey Pope, CB, Howard

Isaiah Stanback, QB/UTIL, Washington

Marcus Thomas, DT, Florida

Sam Olajubutu, OLB, Arkansas

Trent Edwards, QB, Stanford

Philadelphia

Justise Hairston, RB, Central Connecticut State

Eric Weddle, S, Utah

Michael Allan, TE, Whitworth

John Beck, QB, BYU

Nate Harris, LB, Louisville

Jarvis Moss, DE, Florida

Pittsburgh

Stewart Bradley, LB, Nebraska

Jeff Rowe, QB, Nevada

Arron Sears, OL, Tennessee

Antwan Barnes, OLB, Florida International

Daniel Sepulveda, P, Baylor

Darrelle Revis, CB, Pittsburgh

Jay Alford, DT, Penn State

Ronnie McGill, RB, North Carolina

Samson Satele, C, Hawaii

San Diego

Tim Duckworth, OG, Auburn

Chris Denman, OT, Fresno State

A.J. Davis, CB, NC State

Brandon Jackson, RB, Nebraska

Craig Dahl, S, North Dakota State

Dwayne Bowe, WR, LSU

Josh Gattis, S, Wake Forest

Zak DeOssie, ILB, Brown

San Francisco

Ryan Smith, CB, Florida

Adam Carriker, DE, Nebraska

David Clowney, WR, Virginia Tech

DeShawn Wynn, RB, Florida

Leroy Harris, OL, NC State

Keith Jackson, DT, Arkansas

Justin Blalock, OL, Texas

Paul Williams, WR, Fresno State

LaMarr Woodley, DE, Michigan

Michael Okwo, LB, Stanford

Seattle

Jermon Bushrod, OT, Towson

Ben Patrick, TE, Delware

Cameron Stephenson, OG, Rutgers

Chris Leak, QB, Florida

David Irons, CB, Auburn

Michael Johnson, S, Arizona

Rory Johnson, OLB, Missisippi

St. Louis

Keenan Carter, DT, Virginia

Chase Johnson, OT, Wyoming

Darius Walker, RB, Notre Dame

Aundrae Allison, WR, East Carolina

Doug Datish, G/C, Ohio State

Jamaal Anderson, DE, Arkansas

Jon Abbate, LB, Wake Forest

Kareem Brown, DT, MiamiFl

Marcus McCauley, CB, Fresno State

Tampa Bay

Marcus Hamilton, CB, Virginia

Uche Nwaneri, OG, Purdue

Turk McBride, DT, Tennessee

Andy Alleman, OG, Akron

Calvin Bannister, CB, Hampton

Craig Davis, WR, LSU

Jay Moore, DE, Nebraska

Joe Thomas, OT, Wisconsin

Michael Griffin, S, Texas

Tennessee

Brian Robison, DE, Texas

Stephon Heyer, OT, Maryland

Derek Landri, DL, Notre Dame

Daren Stone, S, Maine

Eric Wright, CB, UNLV

Kenny Irons, RB, Auburn

Larry Anam, CB, Boston College

Mike Jones, OL, Iowa

Noland Burchette, OLB/DE, Virginia Tech

Ted Ginn Jr., WR/KR, Ohio State

Washington

C.J. Gaddis, DB, Clemson

Amobi Okoye, DT, Louisville

Antwan Applewhite, DE, San Diego State

Marcus Paschal, S, Iowa

Tala Esera, OL, Hawaii

 

[djcolts]

Interesting take from King's MMQB.

I've spent the last few days asking several NFL personnel people and scouts what kind of draft this is, and this is the conclusion I've drawn: This league is scared witless about the money it's about to pay this class of rookies, because there aren't enough first-round-caliber players who deserve it.

One executive I spoke with -- a smart football man whom I trust very much -- said his team gave only 18 players first-round grades in its recently concluded draft meetings. That means, as he said, a bunch of second-round-quality players (at least, in this team's view) will be drafted between the middle and end of the first round, and they will make more money than players with holes deserve to make. "I bet you'll see plenty of teams in the mid- to low-first-round trying to trade down, and I bet they'll have a lot of trouble finding trading partners,'' this personnel guy said.

And I don't recall hearing this many questions about top picks in a while. Does Wisconsin tackle Joe Thomas (VIDEO) look so good mostly because the crop of offensive linemen is so weak this year? Will LSU quarterback JaMarcus Russell (VIDEO) stay unspoiled and focused with $25 million in the bank? Is Notre Dame quarterback Brady Quinn (VIDEO) -- the player who scares the teams at the top of this draft the most -- a product of the Charlie Weis system or a bona fide blue chip prospect? The only player question-free is Georgia Tech receiver Calvin Johnson (VIDEO) , who runs like a cornerback (4.35 seconds in the 40-yard dash) and who has tight end size (6-foot-5, 239 pounds).

"The top of this draft board is so weak,'' one top scout said. "Guys will be handed money who haven't done nearly enough to deserve it.''

8. In the eyes of most teams, there seems to be a group of seven players who belong as high-first-round picks: Russell, Johnson, Adams, Peterson, Thomas, Quinn (despite the questions, because he's a quarterback) and safety LaRon Landry of LSU. After that, the questions start. "It's why I'd almost rather be 19 than nine in the first round,'' one GM said. "Because you get to nine, and there's a good chance the guy you have next on your board won't be the guy picked at eight, nine, 10, and the team at nine won't be able to trade back because the value just won't be there.''

This could be a thread of it's own. I am most comfortable discussing this class in these terms.

Is this the case where the draft is weak in the 1st round, but OK to good in the mid-rounds? Or is the draft class of 2007 weak overall?

 

[Bracie Smathers]

CLE 3 JaMarcus, Russell, QB 36 Anthony, Spencer, OLB/DE 67 Michael, Coe, CB 103 Ryan, McBean, DL 140 Reggie, Lewis, CB 178 Dwayne, Wright, RB 213 Walter, Thomas, NT

Speaking from my perspective as a Brown's fan, I'd be overjoyed with the first two selections that you have and I feel that they both 'could' happen. One minor critique for latter rounds. Not one offensive lineman was projected and I am sure that at least one will be taken by the Browns. Savage is on record saying prior to free agency that, both offensive and defensive lines were priorities and that he would sign at least one starting offensive lineman in free agency. He signed Eric Steinbeck who is slotted to either start at OG on the left side or to move to OLT. It doesn't look good that we'll land a solid OLT prospect so Stienbeck could be moved to OLT and then Schaffer would flop to the right side leaving an over-the-hill and battered Joe Andruzzi at OLG. We have one unproven/untested fifth rounder from last year, Iassac Sowells but he's on the right side at OG/ORT. We had a glaring need for at least one offensive line prospect and I'm sure we draft at least one interior guy on the second day and possibly an OT on the first day to load up and booster the O-line. I think we take a flyer on an interior O-Lineman on the second day as Savage said that teams typically can find starting caliber interior offensive linemen on the second day. I'm not 100% which direction Savage is leaning with his top pick but I believe he would jump all over JaMarcus Russell should he be available so I feel you can do no better projecting Russell with the third pick if he slips by Oakland. If Russell is not available then any of the other top four offensive players, CJ, AP, JT, BQ, are all in play as well as a trade down.

The Browns DC, Ted Grantham, used to be the DC with the Texans and he got Savage to sign OLB Antowain Peek. I'm not thrilled with the signing since I felt Peek is a one-dimensional 'iffy' pass rusher. So I like the Spencer selection in round two however I'm not confident that he'll fall to us there. It appears Savage made the Peek move so he would be free to address other needs at the top of the second round. DB, DL, or OL. I agree with Savage that starting caliber interior O-Linemen can be found on the second day so if an offensive lineman is the target at the top of the second round it wuold have to be an OLT prospect and its not likely that any solid OLT prospects would be there. Maybe Sears has an outside chance. It looks like many fine CB prospects would be there or, if available, a starting caliber defensive lineman.

Just my humble-O.

Mad props on the mock and if the draft went down like that I'd be happy as a clam. However I think the earth would shift on its axis and hurtle into the sun if we didn't take at least one offensive lineman. I'm that certain that at least one offensive linemen is selected by the Cleveland Browns come draft day.

 

[SwampDawg]

Miami will not pass on Stanton at the end of the second for Booker. Rumor is that behind Quinn and Russell Miami likes what they have seen from Stanton and Edwards and expect them to take one of them to be tutored under Green. With Ricky coming back Booker at best is a third RB / special teams guy, not something a team with that many holes spends a 2nd rounder on.

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

I'm that certain that at least one offensive linemen is selected by the Cleveland Browns come draft day.

great post Bracie- thanks for the input.

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

Miami will not pass on Stanton at the end of the second for Booker. Rumor is that behind Quinn and Russell Miami likes what they have seen from Stanton and Edwards and expect them to take one of them to be tutored under Green. With Ricky coming back Booker at best is a third RB / special teams guy, not something a team with that many holes spends a 2nd rounder on.

Great input, I'll definitely take that into account. As I said before I was not happy with where Booker ended up going and wanted to change it.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Minnesota

Brady Quinn, QB, Notre Dame

C.J. Wilson, CB, Baylor

Courtney Taylor, WR, Auburn

Jackie Battle, RB, Houston

Jason Hill, WR, Washington State

Sabby Piscitelli, S, Oregona State

Victor Abiamiri, DE, Notre Dame

I like Quinn/Hill/Abiamiri. But after that, not so much. If they don't cut someone, I can't see them drafting ANOTHER safety with Sharper/Smith/Blue/Doss/Williams already on the roster.

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

Minnesota

Brady Quinn, QB, Notre Dame

C.J. Wilson, CB, Baylor

Courtney Taylor, WR, Auburn

Jackie Battle, RB, Houston

Jason Hill, WR, Washington State

Sabby Piscitelli, S, Oregona State

Victor Abiamiri, DE, Notre Dame

I like Quinn/Hill/Abiamiri. But after that, not so much. If they don't cut someone, I can't see them drafting ANOTHER safety with Sharper/Smith/Blue/Doss/Williams already on the roster.

doh forgot about the doss signing. thanks AD

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Minnesota

Brady Quinn, QB, Notre Dame

C.J. Wilson, CB, Baylor

Courtney Taylor, WR, Auburn

Jackie Battle, RB, Houston

Jason Hill, WR, Washington State

Sabby Piscitelli, S, Oregona State

Victor Abiamiri, DE, Notre Dame

I like Quinn/Hill/Abiamiri. But after that, not so much. If they don't cut someone, I can't see them drafting ANOTHER safety with Sharper/Smith/Blue/Doss/Williams already on the roster.

doh forgot about the doss signing. thanks AD

Having said that, I CAN see one or more of those guys being shown the door. Sharper's a step slow, Smith was nothing special, Blue is a 2nd year player, and both Doss and Williams are coming off injury.So it's not like the Vikes have the position locked down just because they have a lot of bodies.

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

Minnesota

Brady Quinn, QB, Notre Dame

C.J. Wilson, CB, Baylor

Courtney Taylor, WR, Auburn

Jackie Battle, RB, Houston

Jason Hill, WR, Washington State

Sabby Piscitelli, S, Oregona State

Victor Abiamiri, DE, Notre Dame

I like Quinn/Hill/Abiamiri. But after that, not so much. If they don't cut someone, I can't see them drafting ANOTHER safety with Sharper/Smith/Blue/Doss/Williams already on the roster.

doh forgot about the doss signing. thanks AD

Having said that, I CAN see one or more of those guys being shown the door. Sharper's a step slow, Smith was nothing special, Blue is a 2nd year player, and both Doss and Williams are coming off injury.So it's not like the Vikes have the position locked down just because they have a lot of bodies.

It definitely should not preclude them from taking Landry, and I feel ok about giving them a later safety with that crew, but more like a 6/7 than a 4/5

 

[Chaos Commish]

Interesting take from King's MMQB.

"The top of this draft board is so weak,'' one top scout said. "Guys will be handed money who haven't done nearly enough to deserve it.''

This could be a thread of it's own. I am most comfortable discussing this class in these terms.

Is this the case where the draft is weak in the 1st round, but OK to good in the mid-rounds? Or is the draft class of 2007 weak overall?

Unfortunately, and imho, no. This is a case where the elite talent is thin and the number of legit first round grades is barely half a round. The problem persists right through the draft. It's weak and shallow. This is a situation where I think it's possible that not a single NFL player will emerge after the 5th round (depending on how far certain wrs fall). It is almost bizarre in that you have to go back a decade to find so many quality receivers in a draft.

 

[wadegarrett]

CLE 3 JaMarcus, Russell, QB 36 Anthony, Spencer, OLB/DE 67 Michael, Coe, CB 103 Ryan, McBean, DL 140 Reggie, Lewis, CB 178 Dwayne, Wright, RB 213 Walter, Thomas, NT

Speaking from my perspective as a Brown's fan, I'd be overjoyed with the first two selections that you have and I feel that they both 'could' happen. One minor critique for latter rounds. Not one offensive lineman was projected and I am sure that at least one will be taken by the Browns. Savage is on record saying prior to free agency that, both offensive and defensive lines were priorities and that he would sign at least one starting offensive lineman in free agency. He signed Eric Steinbeck who is slotted to either start at OG on the left side or to move to OLT. It doesn't look good that we'll land a solid OLT prospect so Stienbeck could be moved to OLT and then Schaffer would flop to the right side leaving an over-the-hill and battered Joe Andruzzi at OLG. We have one unproven/untested fifth rounder from last year, Iassac Sowells but he's on the right side at OG/ORT. We had a glaring need for at least one offensive line prospect and I'm sure we draft at least one interior guy on the second day and possibly an OT on the first day to load up and booster the O-line. I think we take a flyer on an interior O-Lineman on the second day as Savage said that teams typically can find starting caliber interior offensive linemen on the second day. I'm not 100% which direction Savage is leaning with his top pick but I believe he would jump all over JaMarcus Russell should he be available so I feel you can do no better projecting Russell with the third pick if he slips by Oakland. If Russell is not available then any of the other top four offensive players, CJ, AP, JT, BQ, are all in play as well as a trade down.

The Browns DC, Ted Grantham, used to be the DC with the Texans and he got Savage to sign OLB Antowain Peek. I'm not thrilled with the signing since I felt Peek is a one-dimensional 'iffy' pass rusher. So I like the Spencer selection in round two however I'm not confident that he'll fall to us there. It appears Savage made the Peek move so he would be free to address other needs at the top of the second round. DB, DL, or OL. I agree with Savage that starting caliber interior O-Linemen can be found on the second day so if an offensive lineman is the target at the top of the second round it wuold have to be an OLT prospect and its not likely that any solid OLT prospects would be there. Maybe Sears has an outside chance. It looks like many fine CB prospects would be there or, if available, a starting caliber defensive lineman.

Just my humble-O.

Mad props on the mock and if the draft went down like that I'd be happy as a clam. However I think the earth would shift on its axis and hurtle into the sun if we didn't take at least one offensive lineman. I'm that certain that at least one offensive linemen is selected by the Cleveland Browns come draft day.

Well written Bracie. Agree with pretty much everything.Do note though: Eric Steinbach (not Steinbeck), Kevin Shaffer (not Schaffer), and Todd Grantham (not Ted).

 

[godtomsatan]

Great in-depth work, and I'm really enjoying the NFLdraftguys site.

However, I will say it would come as no less than a shock if the Seahawks went CB in Round 2 (they drafted Kelly Jennings in Round 1 last season, and still have Marcus Trufant), and also S in Round 4 (free agents Deon Grant and Brian Russell signed this off-season).

There is a glaring need for youth at RG. I would expect a Alleman, a Beekman, or a Ramirez with the Round 2. The TE is probably accurate at Round 3 (though I'm not sure about Patrick). At some point, a DT is going to have to be picked as well.

Again, great work with the site and the podcasts. It's quickly becoming the top source of its kind online.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

However, I will say it would come as no less than a shock if the Seahawks went CB in Round 2 (they drafted Kelly Jennings in Round 1 last season, and still have Marcus Trufant), and also S in Round 4 (free agents Deon Grant and Brian Russell signed this off-season).

Jennings is coming off a late-season ACL injury. I wouldn't count on much from him for next season.

There is a glaring need for youth at RG. I would expect a Alleman, a Beekman, or a Ramirez with the Round 2. The TE is probably accurate at Round 3 (though I'm not sure about Patrick). At some point, a DT is going to have to be picked as well.

Good analysis of needs.

 

[godtomsatan]

However, I will say it would come as no less than a shock if the Seahawks went CB in Round 2 (they drafted Kelly Jennings in Round 1 last season, and still have Marcus Trufant), and also S in Round 4 (free agents Deon Grant and Brian Russell signed this off-season).

Jennings is coming off a late-season ACL injury. I wouldn't count on much from him for next season.

Jimmy Williams had the ACL, not Jennings.

 

[massraider]

Nice work Sigmund. I really hope the Raiders take more OL than one in the fourth. Other than that, I liked how you put their draft together.

Not me. I hated it. Doesn't mean it couldn't happen though.If the Raiders do reach for one of these workout warrior RB's, I think it'll be that Battle kid later on. He visited the Raiders recently.With the current commish flexing his muscle in the league office, drafting a kid who was kicked off the team at the top of the 3rd seems like a mistake to me. I think teams are going to be seriously scared off by questionable characters.Using the same mock, I'd prefer Russell/Rice/Crowder.

 

[stevegamer]

Interesting take from King's MMQB.

"The top of this draft board is so weak,'' one top scout said. "Guys will be handed money who haven't done nearly enough to deserve it.''

This could be a thread of it's own. I am most comfortable discussing this class in these terms.

Is this the case where the draft is weak in the 1st round, but OK to good in the mid-rounds? Or is the draft class of 2007 weak overall?

Unfortunately, and imho, no. This is a case where the elite talent is thin and the number of legit first round grades is barely half a round. The problem persists right through the draft. It's weak and shallow. This is a situation where I think it's possible that not a single NFL player will emerge after the 5th round (depending on how far certain wrs fall). It is almost bizarre in that you have to go back a decade to find so many quality receivers in a draft.

Wow. I think there almost have to a few guys in rounds 6 & 7, plus UDFA's who have okay careers. Maybe they will come from the unexciting positions like C, G, P, K, FB.Has there ever been a draft where no one in round 6 or 7 has had a half-decent career?

On a side note, this lack of talent at the top is why I think Kalil goes in the first, even though he's a C.

 

[5Rings]

SF 11 Adam, Carriker, DE 42 Justin, Blalock, OL 76 LaMarr, Woodley, DE 97 David, Clowney, WR 104 Leroy, Harris, OL 110 Paul, Williams, WR 124 Ryan, Smith, CB 135 Okwo,, LB, Stanford 147 DeShawn, Wynn, RB 186 Keith, Jackson, DT

I don't like Carriker at 11. Never have, but every mock online seems to put him there. I still think Branch/Landry/Willis/Carriker is how the 49ers board is set right now. If Branch and Landry are gone, I think Willis is the pick. The front 3 rotation of Ike Sopogao, BY, Douglas, Franklin, and Oliver is average....but in Nolan's 3-4, they do a decent job of holding gaps and allowing LBs to make plays. Derek Smith and Ulbrich were terrible last year. The D got better when Nolan finally put Moore inside where he belongs--the effect of a playmaking ILB. This D needs playmakers, and Willis fits the bill. The teams biggest playmaker last year was Brandon Moore. Blalock at 42 is a steal--if you see him as a replacement next year for Larry Allen or Smiley (who will be a FA and is supposedly on the block ?Denver?). However, the teams biggest hole is RT, where Kwame Harris just flat out sucks. The guy is horrible. I'm hoping Adam Snyder beats him out in camp; he certainly outplayed him 2 years ago. Looks to be a BPA pick, where a WR like Sidney Rice or an OT like Ugoh would certainly fill a more immediate need. With the team currently sporting a top 3 of Lelie, Battle, and Gilmore, I would be absolutely shocked if the team does not reach for a WR here. One thing I would not be surprised to see is the 49ers trading back up into the mid-late 1st to get a guy like Bowe or Meachem if they drop into the 20s (like they do here). SF has 8 picks in rds 1-4, so they certainly have the ammo to move up. Nolan has also stated that they won't be hesitant to pkg picks to get the guy they want this year.When he inherited what was the least talented team in the NFL, every pick had to make the roster. Now the depth is there and its time to get playmakers. I think the teams goal is to come out of day one with a playmaker at WR and in the front 7. Woodley--do you see him as a DE or LB in teh 3-4? Seems a bit slow at 4.8/4.9 to play OLB, and not big enough at 265 to play DE. I'm a bit surprised by this pick. I can certainly see a guy liike WR Ellison here (if they don't address WR earlier) or Irons/Hunt/Henry to spell Gore.Love the Williams pick. The rest of the guys I won't pretend to know enough about to comment on.Thanks for your work--good read.

No comment? Or you still reeling from last year's Hawk/VD discussion?

 

[Jene Bramel]

However, I will say it would come as no less than a shock if the Seahawks went CB in Round 2 (they drafted Kelly Jennings in Round 1 last season, and still have Marcus Trufant), and also S in Round 4 (free agents Deon Grant and Brian Russell signed this off-season).

Jennings is coming off a late-season ACL injury. I wouldn't count on much from him for next season.

Jimmy Williams had the ACL, not Jennings.

And Kelly Herndon broke his ankle. Kelly Jennings is the picture of health. I can't vouch for Jimmy Jennings though.

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

SF 11 Adam, Carriker, DE 42 Justin, Blalock, OL 76 LaMarr, Woodley, DE 97 David, Clowney, WR 104 Leroy, Harris, OL 110 Paul, Williams, WR 124 Ryan, Smith, CB 135 Okwo,, LB, Stanford 147 DeShawn, Wynn, RB 186 Keith, Jackson, DT

I don't like Carriker at 11. Never have, but every mock online seems to put him there. I still think Branch/Landry/Willis/Carriker is how the 49ers board is set right now. If Branch and Landry are gone, I think Willis is the pick. The front 3 rotation of Ike Sopogao, BY, Douglas, Franklin, and Oliver is average....but in Nolan's 3-4, they do a decent job of holding gaps and allowing LBs to make plays. Derek Smith and Ulbrich were terrible last year. The D got better when Nolan finally put Moore inside where he belongs--the effect of a playmaking ILB. This D needs playmakers, and Willis fits the bill. The teams biggest playmaker last year was Brandon Moore. Blalock at 42 is a steal--if you see him as a replacement next year for Larry Allen or Smiley (who will be a FA and is supposedly on the block ?Denver?). However, the teams biggest hole is RT, where Kwame Harris just flat out sucks. The guy is horrible. I'm hoping Adam Snyder beats him out in camp; he certainly outplayed him 2 years ago. Looks to be a BPA pick, where a WR like Sidney Rice or an OT like Ugoh would certainly fill a more immediate need. With the team currently sporting a top 3 of Lelie, Battle, and Gilmore, I would be absolutely shocked if the team does not reach for a WR here. One thing I would not be surprised to see is the 49ers trading back up into the mid-late 1st to get a guy like Bowe or Meachem if they drop into the 20s (like they do here). SF has 8 picks in rds 1-4, so they certainly have the ammo to move up. Nolan has also stated that they won't be hesitant to pkg picks to get the guy they want this year.When he inherited what was the least talented team in the NFL, every pick had to make the roster. Now the depth is there and its time to get playmakers. I think the teams goal is to come out of day one with a playmaker at WR and in the front 7. Woodley--do you see him as a DE or LB in teh 3-4? Seems a bit slow at 4.8/4.9 to play OLB, and not big enough at 265 to play DE. I'm a bit surprised by this pick. I can certainly see a guy liike WR Ellison here (if they don't address WR earlier) or Irons/Hunt/Henry to spell Gore.Love the Williams pick. The rest of the guys I won't pretend to know enough about to comment on.Thanks for your work--good read.

No comment? Or you still reeling from last year's Hawk/VD discussion?

Sorry I didnt reply sooner. I think I'd take Willis over Carriker if I was pulling the trigger for SF, but I changed things up slightly here. WR makes sense in the 2nd, I had them taking Rice in my 3 rounder.I think Woodley might make it as a 3-4 OLB and he's been "not himself" during the predraft activities. Maybe hurt, I don't know.SF definitely has the plethora of early picks and I'm looking forward to see how they use them - if they don't do at least one tradeup, they ain't trying.

 

[Gold Plated Nails]

Maybe the question was already asked, but why would the Chargers spend a 2nd rd pick (heck even a 1st day pick) on a CB? They have Jammer, Florence, and last years 1st Rd Pick Cromartie, who has the makings of a stud. I can't see it.

Saftety, WR, ILB on the first day

 

[Andy Dufresne]

However, I will say it would come as no less than a shock if the Seahawks went CB in Round 2 (they drafted Kelly Jennings in Round 1 last season, and still have Marcus Trufant), and also S in Round 4 (free agents Deon Grant and Brian Russell signed this off-season).

Jennings is coming off a late-season ACL injury. I wouldn't count on much from him for next season.

Jimmy Williams had the ACL, not Jennings.

And Kelly Herndon broke his ankle. Kelly Jennings is the picture of health. I can't vouch for Jimmy Jennings though. :(

Oh. THAT'S how it shook out. So when did the Seahawks get Jimmy Williams from Atlanta, then? (Just kidding...)

 

[ImTheScientist]

Seattle

Jermon Bushrod, OT, Towson

Ben Patrick, TE, Delware

Cameron Stephenson, OG, Rutgers

Chris Leak, QB, Florida

David Irons, CB, Auburn

Michael Johnson, S, Arizona

Rory Johnson, OLB, Missisippi

As a seahawks fan I would be very happy with this! :( Although I do feel they will address the CB position in the second round if the right guy is there.

 

[ILoveMyLions]

DET 2 Gaines, Adams, DE - If they can't trade down, I say take Russell in this scenario, but you may be right and they'll likely take Adams. 34 Johnathan, Wade, CB - I disagree with this pick. With Griffin, Merriweather and Blalock on the board, they have more value IMO. 66 Justin, Durant, LB - Good pick and is a need area. Hughes would be tempting and I may have taken him here. 101 James, Marten, OT - Great pick. 139 John, Wendling, S - Good value in round 5. 145 Bo, Smith, CB - I'd go wtih Spaeth, M. Jones or Waters here. 154 Chansi, Stuckey, WR - I'd have traded up for one of the guys above. 158 Clifton, Ryan, DT - I would have gone with Myles or Robinson at WR 255 Jeff, Samardzija, WR - sure, why not...Awesome job on the mock...as always...

The Wade pick is one I'm uncomfortable with an will be looking to change. I also liked the Marten to Detroit combo - he's going to be a quality player whereever he ends up, you have to love OL that seem to get under the skin of the defenders.

Yeah, I just don't think Wade fits the Tampa 2. What are your thoughts on Detroit taking Russell in R1 if CJ goes to Oakland and they can't trade down? With Kitna there, he could sit for a year and learn.

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

Maybe the question was already asked, but why would the Chargers spend a 2nd rd pick (heck even a 1st day pick) on a CB? They have Jammer, Florence, and last years 1st Rd Pick Cromartie, who has the makings of a stud. I can't see it.Saftety, WR, ILB on the first day

Jammer could shift to safety. They still need a #4 CB. You can never have enough depth in the secondary (ask NE).But you make a good point about it maybe not being as high a priority.

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

Yeah, I just don't think Wade fits the Tampa 2. What are your thoughts on Detroit taking Russell in R1 if CJ goes to Oakland and they can't trade down? With Kitna there, he could sit for a year and learn.

One of the hardest things to gauge is whether the Lions will just eat it and take the franchise QB at 2 even though it would do zero to improve their team this year. You also have the Mad Mike factor - he loves turning overlooked QBs into studs.I honestly can't say whether Detroit would plug an immediate need with a can't miss guy or take the franchise QB, my guy says they would take Adams if they stay at 2 just because the pressure is on for a good season, but that's a weak reason.I expect they should still be able to trade down even if CJ is gone, they just won't get as much.

 

[ILoveMyLions]

Yeah, I just don't think Wade fits the Tampa 2. What are your thoughts on Detroit taking Russell in R1 if CJ goes to Oakland and they can't trade down? With Kitna there, he could sit for a year and learn.

One of the hardest things to gauge is whether the Lions will just eat it and take the franchise QB at 2 even though it would do zero to improve their team this year. You also have the Mad Mike factor - he loves turning overlooked QBs into studs.I honestly can't say whether Detroit would plug an immediate need with a can't miss guy or take the franchise QB, my guy says they would take Adams if they stay at 2 just because the pressure is on for a good season, but that's a weak reason.I expect they should still be able to trade down even if CJ is gone, they just won't get as much.

Who's looking to trade up with CJ is off the board?

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

Yeah, I just don't think Wade fits the Tampa 2. What are your thoughts on Detroit taking Russell in R1 if CJ goes to Oakland and they can't trade down? With Kitna there, he could sit for a year and learn.

One of the hardest things to gauge is whether the Lions will just eat it and take the franchise QB at 2 even though it would do zero to improve their team this year. You also have the Mad Mike factor - he loves turning overlooked QBs into studs.I honestly can't say whether Detroit would plug an immediate need with a can't miss guy or take the franchise QB, my guy says they would take Adams if they stay at 2 just because the pressure is on for a good season, but that's a weak reason.I expect they should still be able to trade down even if CJ is gone, they just won't get as much.

Who's looking to trade up with CJ is off the board?

If Detroit is willing to take less than the pick value chart dictates, I would expect that they can find a trade partner who loves Russell, or maybe even someone that wants AD, but you're right, the chances of successfully finding a deal go down significantly if Calvin is the #1.

 

[godtomsatan]

Great in-depth work, and I'm really enjoying the NFLdraftguys site. However, I will say it would come as no less than a shock if the Seahawks went CB in Round 2 (they drafted Kelly Jennings in Round 1 last season, and still have Marcus Trufant), and also S in Round 4 (free agents Deon Grant and Brian Russell signed this off-season).

So much for me knowing what the fudge I'm talking about.

 

[aposulli]

Right on with Anthony Waters.

ETA: Looks like you changed the pick in your last update.