Bloom's Updated DB rankings with commentary (1 Viewer)

[Sigmund Bloom]

Updated Top 60 DBs

The IDP rankings have such huge variance that the discussion should be lively. Ive tried to give some insight into my outliers, but Im happy to add commentary for any rankings y'all want, and I definitely want to hear the arguments where you would differ from my judgment. IDP rankings are much more fluid because of year to year turnover (especially among DBs) - I plan on doing this for each position and making a "tier report" to correspond.

Thanks for being the best IDP community in FFland!

 

[J Giles Band]

Really appreciate the commentary Sig. It's a big help to get your insight especially for those who you have ranked a good bit higher or lower than the norm. This is a great feature. My kudos.

 

[awesomeness]

Really appreciate the commentary Sig. It's a big help to get your insight especially for those who you have ranked a good bit higher or lower than the norm. This is a great feature. My kudos.

Love seeing all the commentary. The one disagreement i have is that i don't see 3 DB's from Tennessee ending up as top 10 fantasy DB's, having said that i have trouble figuring out of those 3 who i like the best and who i like the least.

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

Really appreciate the commentary Sig. It's a big help to get your insight especially for those who you have ranked a good bit higher or lower than the norm. This is a great feature. My kudos.

Love seeing all the commentary. The one disagreement i have is that i don't see 3 DB's from Tennessee ending up as top 10 fantasy DB's, having said that i have trouble figuring out of those 3 who i like the best and who i like the least.

That's exactly it, awesomeness - Hope likely gets the most tackle opps, Griffin is the best playmaker, Finnegan is just nails and finds ways to get in the box score. If this was projections instead of rankings, you'd probably see all three down a notch because faced with the same dilemma in projections you just deflate all three equally.

 

[-baller]

sweet --- thx for putting that together.

but all that commentary is making jene look lazy.

edit: haven't really checked it out too much yet, but let me throw a couple names out there for discussion --- guys I rostered last year.

I think gibril wilson was my first idp drafted last year (6 idp redraft), but the change of scenery and change back to fs (he IS fs, right?) makes me question whether I should move on to greener pastures this year.

you don't seem all that concerned (ranked 6th).

also, maybe a little early and hypothetical on this one, but mcgowan was a guy I think at least a couple of you liked last year, and he seemed to pick up the tackles for the bears.

IF he was to enter the season as a starting safety, or even nickleback, for the pats, would you still like him at all, or have you guys cooled on him?

the nfl didn't seem too hot on signing him.

oh, also --- I don't remember, but it might've been you who was talking adrian wilson up the past year, or so.

do you really feel that good about him that this is the year he will finally regain his form from a couple years back?

it seems like the promise of those glory days has always been there, but the follow through is a little sketchy.

and I assume this is all exclusive of return game scoring.

 

[Jene Bramel]

sweet --- thx for putting that together.but all that commentary is making jene look lazy.

Totally forgot about this feature. I'll try to follow Sig's lead sometime next week.

 

[-baller]

hmmmmm....the squeaky wheel really DOES get the grease....

edit: I love that they're mouse over comments --- reminds me of one of those xmas event calendars, or whatever they are, with the little windows you open.

 

[FUBAR]

somebody loves his corners.

Is it just me, or are you higher on practically every cornerback than the others are? Any particular reason why?

 

[-baller]

and since you mentioned that, I notice meriweather is listed as cb.

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

somebody loves his corners. Is it just me, or are you higher on practically every cornerback than the others are? Any particular reason why?

only 11 of my top 40 are corners.I just have 5 corners in the top 10 because I think they are just as likely to finish in the top 10 as the top safeties - Tillman and Winfield are arguably the most consistent IDP DBs over the last fews years, Marshall, Griffin, and Finnegan are ascending talents who are poised for career years as they enter their prime.

 

[FUBAR]

somebody loves his corners. Is it just me, or are you higher on practically every cornerback than the others are? Any particular reason why?

only 11 of my top 40 are corners.I just have 5 corners in the top 10 because I think they are just as likely to finish in the top 10 as the top safeties - Tillman and Winfield are arguably the most consistent IDP DBs over the last fews years, Marshall, Griffin, and Finnegan are ascending talents who are poised for career years as they enter their prime.

Sure, but compare your list to others. I don't disagree with you, I'm really not sure, but you have CBs higher than others. I really like some of these guys. Any chance Dunta Robinson rises back to the top? He did well when he returned last year.

 

[Jene Bramel]

somebody loves his corners. Is it just me, or are you higher on practically every cornerback than the others are? Any particular reason why?

only 11 of my top 40 are corners.I just have 5 corners in the top 10 because I think they are just as likely to finish in the top 10 as the top safeties - Tillman and Winfield are arguably the most consistent IDP DBs over the last fews years, Marshall, Griffin, and Finnegan are ascending talents who are poised for career years as they enter their prime.

Sure, but compare your list to others. I don't disagree with you, I'm really not sure, but you have CBs higher than others. I really like some of these guys. Any chance Dunta Robinson rises back to the top? He did well when he returned last year.

If you'll pardon the intrusion and a little insider-outsider perspective...Those who have been around for a few years have probably started to see some difference in the philosophies of the rankings among staff and the biases therein. Though we're all operating under the same scoring system, each of us have our own slants. Pasquino isn't afraid to make a counter-argument and often takes a big play perspective at the top of his lists. Bloom often does the same, projecting his preference for game-changing NFL talent onto his IDP rankings. Norton grew up old school, tackle-heavy and will often rank solid talent, consistent performances and prime opportunity over more questionable upside plays. I'm a sucker for big upside, particularly tackle upside and will sometimes take scheme projections and details to the extreme. The other guys fall somewhere in the middle. They have their pet players, but are usually more in tune with the masses. That, or I haven't figured out their biases yet. If I were using this massive set of rankings, here's what I'd do. Start with Norton, Rudnicki, Baker and Magaw to get a very strong baseline to work with. Then, particularly in dynasty leagues, see where Tony differs and think hard on why. Then, check my list for upside outliers and decide if I'm full of or not. Then, look at Sig and Jeff for outliers -- big play in particular -- and decide whether you agree with Bloom's projection of talent to the box score and Pasquino's unique take on player value in spots.That's in fact exactly what I do this time of year when this full set of rankings comes out for the first time. Inevitably, I'll decide that I missed the boat on a couple of guys (high or low), but I'll still end up very high on some guys on low on others. Some of you who come from the same big play perspective that Jeff and Sig often do may want to take the exact opposite approach above.I went off on a tangent there, sorry. The original point is meant to be that Bloom, particularly in his DL and DB lists, will look for game changing upside. I think he'd much rather roster a corner with ball skills and opportunity that can blow up in any given game than a safety with question marks and a relatively boring tackle upside. I'm always happy to take a good corner, but I tend to lean more toward angling for tackle upside and safety because I like to roll the dice at linebacker a bit.And I think there might be a lot of value in a roundtable discussion trying to get to the essence of each of our philosophies as we do our redraft rankings...

 

[J Giles Band]

 

[corpcow]

No rookies in the top 60?

ETA: Nevermind, didn't realize Moore made it. Chung and Delmas not in the top 60 though?

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

No rookies in the top 60? ETA: Nevermind, didn't realize Moore made it. Chung and Delmas not in the top 60 though?

There's an explanation for Chung (also for Whitner and Madieu Williams), I can add one for Delmas. Im not sure he'll start right away with Alexander and Bullocks there, and he's probably the best of the three in deep coverage, so I'd rather have the guy starting next to him for this year while he learns the ropes - IF he starts.

 

[lord_helmet]

No love for Tracy Porter ? That guy just screams value to me.

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

No love for Tracy Porter ? That guy just screams value to me.

I have him in a group of CBs with upside along with McFadden, McKelvin, Ike Taylor, and DRC that just missed. However, with his strong numbers from his early stint last year, maybe I am underestimating him. I do chalk some of that up to rookie CB rule, but there's no denying he looked real good - Once you get past DB40 or so there's a long wide plateau that will yield a few top 25-30 options. You have given me a good reason to go back to look at that bottom 20 a little closer.

 

[Caveman_Nick]

I'm feeling kinda dumb in a noob kinda way ( ) ,but I am not seeing any commentary. A little help? :X

Okay...I healed my own stupidity

 

[treat88]

I'm feeling kinda dumb in a noob kinda way ( ) ,but I am not seeing any commentary. A little help? Okay...I healed my own stupidity

Same boat except I'm still stupid.???

 

[awesomeness]

I'm feeling kinda dumb in a noob kinda way ( ) ,but I am not seeing any commentary. A little help? Okay...I healed my own stupidity

Same boat except I'm still stupid.???

Click on the link in the original post. On the far left side is Sig's rankings. If you put your mouse pointer over the bolded blue numbers a little commentary box pops up.

 

[-baller]

they ARE pretty hard to make out, so you might have to put your ear up close to the monitor.

 

[msommer]

It's been my impression the last few years that each year a rookie with talent will be thrust into the starting line up and be picked on by opposing defenses, producing a lot of tackles and PDs but perhaps few the big plays. In recent years I remember Wright and Flowers doing well for stretches.

Who will do that this year other than Jenkins? Byrd? Alphonso Smith? Butler?

 

[Michael Fox Fan]

Bloom - what's the deal on Chris Horton? Everyone else pretty much has him top 20, you have him at 34.

 

[-baller]

he says he's worried about injury and rotation.

mouse over blue ranking for commentary.

 

[lyon812]

It's been my impression the last few years that each year a rookie with talent will be thrust into the starting line up and be picked on by opposing defenses, producing a lot of tackles and PDs but perhaps few the big plays. In recent years I remember Wright and Flowers doing well for stretches. Who will do that this year other than Jenkins? Byrd? Alphonso Smith? Butler?

Depending on how training camp shakes out, Fletcher has a fair chance at a starting spot in StL opposite Bartell.

 

[Biabreakable]

It's been my impression the last few years that each year a rookie with talent will be thrust into the starting line up and be picked on by opposing defenses, producing a lot of tackles and PDs but perhaps few the big plays. In recent years I remember Wright and Flowers doing well for stretches. Who will do that this year other than Jenkins? Byrd? Alphonso Smith? Butler?

I like Alphonso Smith here.Rookie corner who I think has a decent chance to start opposite Champ. If he does he is going to be picked on a lot. From what I have read Smith has good ball skills but takes too many risks.This defense was terrible last year and changing scheme from the 4-3 to the 3-4 even though I think they still lack the quality at line backer to do it. So I see this defense still struggling. Thus continued high opportunity.Bloom I agree with your ranking of Weddle. I think SD will be more sound on defense this year and Weddle will have reduced opportunity to make tackles. Injuries to Merriman and I think also some of their inside LBers last year led to him making more tackles than he will have to opportunity for in 2009. The big plays are always hard to predict.Think of Weddle like Ed Reed. Can do great as long as the turnovers are there but not consistent from year to year because of lowish tackle numbers to support it.

 

[Dolphins Homer]

No love for Abram Elam? Mangini seemed to get him in the right situations, is he effective this year?

 

[Weiner Dog]

It's been my impression the last few years that each year a rookie with talent will be thrust into the starting line up and be picked on by opposing defenses, producing a lot of tackles and PDs but perhaps few the big plays. In recent years I remember Wright and Flowers doing well for stretches. Who will do that this year other than Jenkins? Byrd? Alphonso Smith? Butler?

I like Alphonso Smith here.Rookie corner who I think has a decent chance to start opposite Champ. If he does he is going to be picked on a lot. From what I have read Smith has good ball skills but takes too many risks.This defense was terrible last year and changing scheme from the 4-3 to the 3-4 even though I think they still lack the quality at line backer to do it. So I see this defense still struggling. Thus continued high opportunity.

While Smith will eventually be a starting CB for the Broncos, I think he'll be the nickle-DB in '09. Goodman was given a $25mm deal ($10mm guaranteed) and he'll start opposite Champ in the near term. However, with both Goodman and Champ on the wrong side of 30, Smith should have very few "barriers to entry" to start over the next 2-3 seasons.

 

[Weiner Dog]

No love for Tracy Porter ? That guy just screams value to me.

Coming off his knee injury, I would think Greer and Jenkins would be the starters, right? Granted...I think the Saints grossly overpaid for Greer, but I would have to assume that a healthy Greer > hurt Porter at this time.

 

[Zoomanji]

No love for Tracy Porter ? That guy just screams value to me.

Coming off his knee injury, I would think Greer and Jenkins would be the starters, right? Granted...I think the Saints grossly overpaid for Greer, but I would have to assume that a healthy Greer > hurt Porter at this time.

I thought Porter had a broken arm not a knee injury

 

[bcr8f]

No love for Tracy Porter ? That guy just screams value to me.

Coming off his knee injury, I would think Greer and Jenkins would be the starters, right? Granted...I think the Saints grossly overpaid for Greer, but I would have to assume that a healthy Greer > hurt Porter at this time.

I thought Porter had a broken arm not a knee injury

Wasn't it was his wrist I thought and he had surgery.

 

[Biabreakable]

It's been my impression the last few years that each year a rookie with talent will be thrust into the starting line up and be picked on by opposing defenses, producing a lot of tackles and PDs but perhaps few the big plays. In recent years I remember Wright and Flowers doing well for stretches. Who will do that this year other than Jenkins? Byrd? Alphonso Smith? Butler?

I like Alphonso Smith here.Rookie corner who I think has a decent chance to start opposite Champ. If he does he is going to be picked on a lot. From what I have read Smith has good ball skills but takes too many risks.This defense was terrible last year and changing scheme from the 4-3 to the 3-4 even though I think they still lack the quality at line backer to do it. So I see this defense still struggling. Thus continued high opportunity.

While Smith will eventually be a starting CB for the Broncos, I think he'll be the nickle-DB in '09. Goodman was given a $25mm deal ($10mm guaranteed) and he'll start opposite Champ in the near term. However, with both Goodman and Champ on the wrong side of 30, Smith should have very few "barriers to entry" to start over the next 2-3 seasons.

Thanks for the info and yes of course Smith 1st has to win the start.I am not real impressed with Goodman however. He is a stop gap at best and will put up decent tackle numbers if he holds Smith off all year. I don't think Goodman is the playmaker that Smith is however and Smith could beat him out. If he does early I think he could put up some strong numbers because of the reasons mentioned above.

 

[psychobillies]

No love for Tracy Porter ? That guy just screams value to me.

Coming off his knee injury, I would think Greer and Jenkins would be the starters, right? Granted...I think the Saints grossly overpaid for Greer, but I would have to assume that a healthy Greer > hurt Porter at this time.

I thought Porter had a broken arm not a knee injury

Wasn't it was his wrist I thought and he had surgery.

It was his wrist. He should be good to go.

 

[lord_helmet]

No love for Tracy Porter ? That guy just screams value to me.

Coming off his knee injury, I would think Greer and Jenkins would be the starters, right? Granted...I think the Saints grossly overpaid for Greer, but I would have to assume that a healthy Greer > hurt Porter at this time.

I kinda forgot to revisit this thread sorry, as others has pointed out it was his wrist not his knee.http://www.saintsgab.com/2009/05/22/2009-d...2%80%9D-part-4/

"Promising Tracy Porter is also back after missing 11 games last season due to a dislocated wrist, he should be back pushing for a starting job in his second season."

"Tracy Porter showed a lot last season winning the starting job as a rookie and was improving each game until he was lost for the season."

"Look for Greer and Porter to be the starters, with Gay and Jenkins being in the rotation and Torrence being the 5th corner; Jason David right now looks to be the odd man out."

And the FBG Depth Charts has him penciled in as the only full time guy.

 

[bcr8f]

3 of the top 5 and 5 of the top 8 are CB's. I do like Winfield and Richard Marshall that high, but...

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

oh, also --- I don't remember, but it might've been you who was talking adrian wilson up the past year, or so.

do you really feel that good about him that this is the year he will finally regain his form from a couple years back?

it seems like the promise of those glory days has always been there, but the follow through is a little sketchy.

I'd also like to hear more on Wilson.