Borbely IDP Dynasty rankings (1 Viewer)

[Anthony Borbely]

Here are the updated IDP dynasty rankings.

These links will always reflect the most recent dynasty rankings for any of us who have ranked withing the given time period (usually 14 days). If for some reason my rankings are not showing (for example, being out of the 14 day window), pm or email me and I'll update them as soon as I can.

DL Rankings

LB Rankings

DB Rankings

Also, they will be posted at dynastyguys.com soon.

 

[Dave Larkin]

Thanks Anthony, I've got a startup IDP dynasty league draft coming up soon! I needed those.

 

[cr8f]

Wow Jene has Tulloch very high. I like where he has Barnett and Levy. Where do you rank Levy if Larry Foote leaves?

Wow Avril at 18?

 

[Anthony Borbely]

Wow Jene has Tulloch very high. I like where he has Barnett and Levy. Where do you rank Levy if Larry Foote leaves?Wow Avril at 18?

Last year, Tennessee's defense was really bad when they went 0-6 and Tulloch took advantage of the time he spent on the field. I'm not trying to take anything away from the good numbers he put up, but their defense was really bad early and that was a big factor. Later, their defense improved and Tulloch's good games were when Thornton was either out or not healthy enough to play in passing situations. The fact that Thornton played quite a bit over Tulloch in passing situations when healthy was pretty telling to me. The hard part is trying to figure out how this plays out in 2010. Long-term, I'm not convinced Tulloch will be a 3-down LB and also do not know how the Tennessee LB situation will play out. I was not impressed with what I saw of Tulloch in coverage and that is reflected in my ranking. Once the LB situation is known, it will be easier to rank him. If I am convinced he will play 3 downs, I would probably rank him in the 20's somewhere. If there is any news about their LB situation, I haven't seen it. I think Foote is as good as gone and ranked Levy with that in mind. It's no secret Gunther Cunningham sees Levy as an every down MLB. Should Foote stay, I would lower Levy a bit. The Detroit MLB spot for a 3-down LB should be gold for at least the next two years because the defense isn't going to get much better any time soon. I probably have Barnett too low. I have to remember he had a torn ACL and was not 100% recovered last year in terms of speed and explosiveness, not to mention he had to learn a new defense. Jene's ranking is about where he should be. Avril has a lot of talent and just needs some consistency. He has the talent to produce double digit sacks. Avril is at the top of a decent sized tier from 18 to about 25 or so. I will be adjusting my rankings this week sometime. I did them pretty quick and realize they will need minor tweaking. I am also hoping to tier my rankings in the next 2 weeks (not promising, but hoping) and will post here when I do.

 

[cr8f]

Wow Jene has Tulloch very high. I like where he has Barnett and Levy. Where do you rank Levy if Larry Foote leaves?

Wow Avril at 18?

Last year, Tennessee's defense was really bad when they went 0-6 and Tulloch took advantage of the time he spent on the field. I'm not trying to take anything away from the good numbers he put up, but their defense was really bad early and that was a big factor. Later, their defense improved and Tulloch's good games were when Thornton was either out or not healthy enough to play in passing situations. The fact that Thornton played quite a bit over Tulloch in passing situations when healthy was pretty telling to me. The hard part is trying to figure out how this plays out in 2010. Long-term, I'm not convinced Tulloch will be a 3-down LB and also do not know how the Tennessee LB situation will play out. I was not impressed with what I saw of Tulloch in coverage and that is reflected in my ranking.

Once the LB situation is known, it will be easier to rank him. If I am convinced he will play 3 downs, I would probably rank him in the 20's somewhere. If there is any news about their LB situation, I haven't seen it.

I think Foote is as good as gone and ranked Levy with that in mind. It's no secret Gunther Cunningham sees Levy as an every down MLB. Should Foote stay, I would lower Levy a bit. The Detroit MLB spot for a 3-down LB should be gold for at least the next two years because the defense isn't going to get much better any time soon.

I probably have Barnett too low. I have to remember he had a torn ACL and was not 100% recovered last year in terms of speed and explosiveness, not to mention he had to learn a new defense. Jene's ranking is about where he should be.

Avril has a lot of talent and just needs some consistency. He has the talent to produce double digit sacks. Avril is at the top of a decent sized tier from 18 to about 25 or so.

I will be adjusting my rankings this week sometime. I did them pretty quick and realize they will need minor tweaking. I am also hoping to tier my rankings in the next 2 weeks (not promising, but hoping) and will post here when I do.

He didn't practice or play during most of training camp so the first 4 or 5 weeks were his break in period. I would thrown out the first 5 weeks.I like Levy a lot and the Detroit MLB is usually very good. Jene has him even higher.

 

[Sinn Fein]

Any thoughts on where the rookies would rank?

I know a lot of that is situation-dependent - but it would be nice to get a general assessment from you, Jene, and whoever else might be putting together rankings.

ETA - Thanks for putting these rankings up!

 

[Anthony Borbely]

I probably have Barnett too low.

I tweaked my rankings a bit and moved Barnett up a few spots.

 

[cr8f]

I understand these are early rankings but it is interesting to see them.

I hope Thomas Davis stays in Carolina and continues being a stud. I wonder how Beason and Richard Marshalls numbers would be affected if that comes to pass.

Also saw one comment Chicago is interested in Kampman. He belongs in a 4-3 didn't complain about the switch but isn't an OLB.

 

[Anthony Borbely]

I understand these are early rankings but it is interesting to see them. I hope Thomas Davis stays in Carolina and continues being a stud. I wonder how Beason and Richard Marshalls numbers would be affected if that comes to pass.Also saw one comment Chicago is interested in Kampman. He belongs in a 4-3 didn't complain about the switch but isn't an OLB.

I'm intending on keeping mine updated year-round from now on. I will try to keep them updated every week or so between the end of the regular season until the NFL draft, then 2-3 times per week until the season starts, then every 2-4 weeks during the season.This time of year has a lot of situations that are open to interpretation, namely regarding trying to figure out a teams starters.I don't think Beason's numbers will be affected by Davis. Marshall's could be (his tackle numbers), but he played some solid football at the end of the year and I think he will be a top 5 DB for the foreseeable future. Davis will likely start slow next year because of the normal ACL recovery and probably will not be 100% all year, similar to Barnett this past year and Greenway a few years back. Keep him in mind for a good early to mid season buy low from the impatient owners.

 

[sgtrobo]

awright!!! now we talkin!!!

ok, the questions (just a few, lord knows I have more)

DL

1) do you see Dockett going to a 4-3 team anytime soon? any ideas about where he might be headed? I'm losing faith he'll be staying in the Arizona area

2) Kiwi is, IMHO, a bit higher than I would expect. Do you see a role change for him?

3) You have Alex Brown much higher than Ogunleye. Ogre looked like crap this past season, do you see that trend continuing?

LB

1) You expecting a nice rebound for both Mayo and DeMeco?

2) You think Derrick Johnson will produce for KC or do you see him moving elsewhere? It seemed he couldn't convince his coaching staff that he was the most talented LB on his team

3) I notice you have Lofa and Aaron Curry but no David Hawthorne. Do you think Hawthorne continues to be purely a backup guy? Damn productive when he hit the field

DB

1) Is Atogwe going to be ready for camp? I had read somewhere that he really jacked himself up pretty well

2) Chung will be the fulltime guy in NE, no doubt?

3) No love for Tanard Jackson? Once he took over full-time, he was a must-start every week, between big plays and tackles

that's all for now. Thanks man, great to have some solid rankings out early!

 

[Anthony Borbely]

awright!!! now we talkin!!!ok, the questions (just a few, lord knows I have more)DL1) do you see Dockett going to a 4-3 team anytime soon? any ideas about where he might be headed? I'm losing faith he'll be staying in the Arizona area2) Kiwi is, IMHO, a bit higher than I would expect. Do you see a role change for him? 3) You have Alex Brown much higher than Ogunleye. Ogre looked like crap this past season, do you see that trend continuing?LB1) You expecting a nice rebound for both Mayo and DeMeco?2) You think Derrick Johnson will produce for KC or do you see him moving elsewhere? It seemed he couldn't convince his coaching staff that he was the most talented LB on his team3) I notice you have Lofa and Aaron Curry but no David Hawthorne. Do you think Hawthorne continues to be purely a backup guy? Damn productive when he hit the fieldDB1) Is Atogwe going to be ready for camp? I had read somewhere that he really jacked himself up pretty well2) Chung will be the fulltime guy in NE, no doubt?3) No love for Tanard Jackson? Once he took over full-time, he was a must-start every week, between big plays and tacklesthat's all for now. Thanks man, great to have some solid rankings out early!

I'll get to these later today when I have some time. Good questions btw.

 

[cr8f]

I have heard the Bears are interested in Kampman if they do sign him who would be the odd man out?

I am interested in Hawthorne too. Hard to see him starting unless Lofa(or Hawthrorne) is traded though.

 

[GECKO]

 

[Anthony Borbely]

My comments are in bold below.

awright!!! now we talkin!!!

ok, the questions (just a few, lord knows I have more)

DL

1) do you see Dockett going to a 4-3 team anytime soon? any ideas about where he might be headed? I'm losing faith he'll be staying in the Arizona area

I doubt Arizona lets him go anytime soon. He is too important to their team.

2) Kiwi is, IMHO, a bit higher than I would expect. Do you see a role change for him?

Kiwanuka and Osi are tough to rank right now because of the uncertainty of how many snaps they will play. I find it hard to rank him lower because of the shortage of 4-3 DEs who are capable of putting up solid numbers.

3) You have Alex Brown much higher than Ogunleye. Ogre looked like crap this past season, do you see that trend continuing?

I have some concerns about Ogunleye. He is probably near the bottom of a decent sized tier and could legitimately be 5 to 10 spots higher. Another reason I want to tier my rankings. Brown is not flashy, but he always puts up solid numbers and is younger than Ogunleye. Brown is also good against the run.

LB

1) You expecting a nice rebound for both Mayo and DeMeco?

Definitely.

2) You think Derrick Johnson will produce for KC or do you see him moving elsewhere? It seemed he couldn't convince his coaching staff that he was the most talented LB on his team



I have no idea where he plays, but he is too talented to be ranked lower. He will eventually start somewhere and I think he is a great buy low if you have decent sized rosters.

3) I notice you have Lofa and Aaron Curry but no David Hawthorne. Do you think Hawthorne continues to be purely a backup guy? Damn productive when he hit the field

I personally think, stats notwithstanding, that Lofa is a better football player and he is the heart and soul of the defense. It's easy to think this and harder to prove, however. I also think Lofa is a great buy low, but only if you share my opinion about him.

DB

1) Is Atogwe going to be ready for camp? I had read somewhere that he really jacked himself up pretty well



He should be, but dynasty rankings are long-term and the time he makes it to camp doesn't matter.

2) Chung will be the fulltime guy in NE, no doubt?

Good question. After watching him play, even in limited snaps I thought it was easy to see his natural talent. I see Rodney Harrison whenever I see him play and now that he has a year under his belt, I would be shocked if he isn't starting. I also think he will be the #1 ranked DB during his career.

3) No love for Tanard Jackson? Once he took over full-time, he was a must-start every week, between big plays and tackles



The tier where Jackson is ranked us huge and also DBs are tough to rank. Jackson is solid, but I don't think he is a special talent. He could literally be close to 20 or drop into the 40s. I need to see more especially because free safeties not named Dawkins usually put up inconsistent numbers from year-to-year. I could not argue anyone ranking him higher, but I can't at this point.

that's all for now. Thanks man, great to have some solid rankings out early!

 

[Anthony Borbely]

Rankings were updated.

I dropped Kyle Williams off because I believe he plays 3-4 DE in Buffalo's expected 3-4 defense and his value there is uncertain.

After taking a closer look, I also moved Tulloch up from 37 to 25. I am still not convinced he will play 3 downs, but even if he sporadically does (which he did last year), he should be able to put up top 25 numbers. If he plays 3 downs, I will move him closer to Jene's ranking, which is in the teens.

 

[thatguy]

I'd love to hear both you and Jene support your respective ranking of Richard Marshall...

You have him as your #1 DB, Jene has him at #27. That is a huge difference. I definitely began to come around to Marshall after his strong second half, but I don't think I'd go as far to put him at DB1. I do think he warrants top 10 consideration. At the same time, DB27 seems far too low for him.

 

[Anthony Borbely]

I'd love to hear both you and Jene support your respective ranking of Richard Marshall...You have him as your #1 DB, Jene has him at #27. That is a huge difference. I definitely began to come around to Marshall after his strong second half, but I don't think I'd go as far to put him at DB1. I do think he warrants top 10 consideration. At the same time, DB27 seems far too low for him.

If Marshall's second half numbers were projected over a full season, he would have been the #1 fantasy DB. In the games I saw last year, Marshall seemed like a completely different player in the second half of the season. In the first half of the year, he looked hesitant in run defense and seemed to lack confidence in all parts of the game. He was much better in the second half of the year and I think that will carry over to next year. Also Marshall is only 25 years old. When you combine that with his talent, ball skills, and superior tackling ability, you should have a perennial DB1 from here forward. I feel comfortable with Marshall at the top and for me personally, I could not rank him any lower than the top 5 in dynasty. I see a Winfield type with regards to tackle numbers, with better coverage numbers.

 

[thatguy]

I'd love to hear both you and Jene support your respective ranking of Richard Marshall...You have him as your #1 DB, Jene has him at #27. That is a huge difference. I definitely began to come around to Marshall after his strong second half, but I don't think I'd go as far to put him at DB1. I do think he warrants top 10 consideration. At the same time, DB27 seems far too low for him.

If Marshall's second half numbers were projected over a full season, he would have been the #1 fantasy DB. In the games I saw last year, Marshall seemed like a completely different player in the second half of the season. In the first half of the year, he looked hesitant in run defense and seemed to lack confidence in all parts of the game. He was much better in the second half of the year and I think that will carry over to next year. Also Marshall is only 25 years old. When you combine that with his talent, ball skills, and superior tackling ability, you should have a perennial DB1 from here forward. I feel comfortable with Marshall at the top and for me personally, I could not rank him any lower than the top 5 in dynasty. I see a Winfield type with regards to tackle numbers, with better coverage numbers.

Thanks AB... Have you discussed him at all with Jene? I'm very curious as to why Jene is so low on Marshall. I'm with you in that I think he certainly turned things around during the second half, and again, I do think he easily warrants top 10 consideration. I'm glad you're so high on his prospects as I do own him in my main dynasty league.

 

[Jene Bramel]

I'd love to hear both you and Jene support your respective ranking of Richard Marshall...You have him as your #1 DB, Jene has him at #27. That is a huge difference. I definitely began to come around to Marshall after his strong second half, but I don't think I'd go as far to put him at DB1. I do think he warrants top 10 consideration. At the same time, DB27 seems far too low for him.

If Marshall's second half numbers were projected over a full season, he would have been the #1 fantasy DB. In the games I saw last year, Marshall seemed like a completely different player in the second half of the season. In the first half of the year, he looked hesitant in run defense and seemed to lack confidence in all parts of the game. He was much better in the second half of the year and I think that will carry over to next year. Also Marshall is only 25 years old. When you combine that with his talent, ball skills, and superior tackling ability, you should have a perennial DB1 from here forward. I feel comfortable with Marshall at the top and for me personally, I could not rank him any lower than the top 5 in dynasty. I see a Winfield type with regards to tackle numbers, with better coverage numbers.

Thanks AB... Have you discussed him at all with Jene? I'm very curious as to why Jene is so low on Marshall. I'm with you in that I think he certainly turned things around during the second half, and again, I do think he easily warrants top 10 consideration. I'm glad you're so high on his prospects as I do own him in my main dynasty league.

I blew it. Looks like I didn't audit the rankings well enough before posting them. He should be in the top tier in my rankings.

 

[thatguy]

I'd love to hear both you and Jene support your respective ranking of Richard Marshall...You have him as your #1 DB, Jene has him at #27. That is a huge difference. I definitely began to come around to Marshall after his strong second half, but I don't think I'd go as far to put him at DB1. I do think he warrants top 10 consideration. At the same time, DB27 seems far too low for him.

If Marshall's second half numbers were projected over a full season, he would have been the #1 fantasy DB. In the games I saw last year, Marshall seemed like a completely different player in the second half of the season. In the first half of the year, he looked hesitant in run defense and seemed to lack confidence in all parts of the game. He was much better in the second half of the year and I think that will carry over to next year. Also Marshall is only 25 years old. When you combine that with his talent, ball skills, and superior tackling ability, you should have a perennial DB1 from here forward. I feel comfortable with Marshall at the top and for me personally, I could not rank him any lower than the top 5 in dynasty. I see a Winfield type with regards to tackle numbers, with better coverage numbers.

Thanks AB... Have you discussed him at all with Jene? I'm very curious as to why Jene is so low on Marshall. I'm with you in that I think he certainly turned things around during the second half, and again, I do think he easily warrants top 10 consideration. I'm glad you're so high on his prospects as I do own him in my main dynasty league.

I blew it. Looks like I didn't audit the rankings well enough before posting them. He should be in the top tier in my rankings.

Thanks Jene.