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Brady going for the TD Pass Record? (1 Viewer)
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mad sweeney
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I myself had to unignore VBD to see this, he belongs on the list as well, especially if you even bring up the fact that Spygae even occurred.
twitch
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thanks, VBD. That Pittsburgh game cant get here fast enough. Should be interesting to see if we can overcome some of that roid rage with a little clever film study.SeniorVBDStudent said:Recommended Ignore Listtwitch said:
10 points is a TD and a FG. Ask Buffalo fans whether it's impossible for a team to score a TD and a FG in the final minute of a game.BTW, anyone who thinks Belichick just likes to run up the score, check out week three:
Pats were up by 31, and Buffalo had given up. Not the same as being up by less than two TDs when the opponent was still fighting.
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BeachBums
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Yeah, that was an incredible finish wasn't it? The Cowboy's drive down 16-24 started with 3:45 left in the 4th at the DAL 20. They scored a TD with 20 seconds left on the clock. Then an on side kick recovery, which hardly ever works, followed by a 53-yard field goal with 2 seconds left. Amazing that they could make up 8 points with 3:45 left, isn't it?! Which was my point.
nxmehta
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This thread is ridiculous. Teams should go for the jugular. This is the NFL!
As a rabid Browns fan I would DEMAND that Anderson/Quinn do the same in Brady's position. Don't just beat the other team- demoralize them. Make them feel it.
And if people are complaining about Brady/Manning padding their stats, well... how about someone trying to DO something about it. MAKE A STOP. Instead of picking up the phone and calling the whaaambulance.
As a rabid Browns fan I would DEMAND that Anderson/Quinn do the same in Brady's position. Don't just beat the other team- demoralize them. Make them feel it.
And if people are complaining about Brady/Manning padding their stats, well... how about someone trying to DO something about it. MAKE A STOP. Instead of picking up the phone and calling the whaaambulance.
What are you guys talking about?
They were up by 10 with :57 left.
It was 4th and Goal, no chance for a 1st down.
If they kick a Filed Goal, the Browns would need TWO TOUCHDOWNS. Not a TD and a Field Goal.
What are the odds of scoring TWO TD's in :57 compared to the Odds of 1 TD and a Field goal.
It makes a HUGE Difference. And Belicheck would have gone for the Field Goal if he had ANY FEAR whatsoever that the Browns were going to score twice in :57.
It was either CLASSIC YOU to Romeo and McGinnest or trying to pad stats.
It WAS NOT the best thing to do strategically. Not even close.
You ask ANY COACH, whether he'd rather be up 1 TD or 2 TD's with less than a minute left, and 100% of them will say 2 TD's.
They were up by 10 with :57 left.
It was 4th and Goal, no chance for a 1st down.
If they kick a Filed Goal, the Browns would need TWO TOUCHDOWNS. Not a TD and a Field Goal.
What are the odds of scoring TWO TD's in :57 compared to the Odds of 1 TD and a Field goal.
It makes a HUGE Difference. And Belicheck would have gone for the Field Goal if he had ANY FEAR whatsoever that the Browns were going to score twice in :57.
It was either CLASSIC
YOU to Romeo and McGinnest or trying to pad stats.It WAS NOT the best thing to do strategically. Not even close.
You ask ANY COACH, whether he'd rather be up 1 TD or 2 TD's with less than a minute left, and 100% of them will say 2 TD's.
twitch
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look, man. Im not real sure abotu your math. But if they kick the FG, theyre up by 13. Last I checked 13pts is NOT 2 TDs. So, as long as the odds certainly are, if they kick the FG, theyre still only up by 2 scores. They score a TD, theyre up by 3. Stranger things have happened. Let this thing go for goodness sake, and get some sleep for crying out loud.What are you guys talking about?
They were up by 10 with :57 left.
It was 4th and Goal, no chance for a 1st down.
If they kick a Filed Goal, the Browns would need TWO TOUCHDOWNS. Not a TD and a Field Goal.
What are the odds of scoring TWO TD's in :57 compared to the Odds of 1 TD and a Field goal.
It makes a HUGE Difference. And Belicheck would have gone for the Field Goal if he had ANY FEAR whatsoever that the Browns were going to score twice in :57.
It was either CLASSIC
It WAS NOT the best thing to do strategically. Not even close.
You ask ANY COACH, whether he'd rather be up 1 TD or 2 TD's with less than a minute left, and 100% of them will say 2 TD's.
Gerg,You started this thread, you have to come stronger than this post man. You mention yourself that they're up by 10 points with 50 seconds. If they kick the field goal, they're up by 13. 13 points is under 14 which is less than 2 td's, which also puts them in the same boat as being by 10.What are you guys talking about?
They were up by 10 with :57 left.
It was 4th and Goal, no chance for a 1st down.
If they kick a Filed Goal, the Browns would need TWO TOUCHDOWNS. Not a TD and a Field Goal.
What are the odds of scoring TWO TD's in :57 compared to the Odds of 1 TD and a Field goal.
It makes a HUGE Difference. And Belicheck would have gone for the Field Goal if he had ANY FEAR whatsoever that the Browns were going to score twice in :57.
It was either CLASSICYOU to Romeo and McGinnest or trying to pad stats.
It WAS NOT the best thing to do strategically. Not even close.
You ask ANY COACH, whether he'd rather be up 1 TD or 2 TD's with less than a minute left, and 100% of them will say 2 TD's.
If they score the TD, it puts them up by 3 scores. You ask any coach if they'd want to be up 3 scores or 2, I gaurantee they'd say 3.
You also mention what's the odds or chances that they come back from being down 13. You just don't get it, honostly. New England isn't in the business of wanting to give any team any chance. They want it over, period. They want a zero percent chance.
Down by 13, the kickoff and their opponent runs back a TD on the kick return. They onside kick, get the ball and now they have the ball around mid field down by 6 with 33 seconds left.
Is that likely, no but it can happen. If you don't think it can happen, then you haven't seen some of the great games in the NFL. There is no but, but. It can happen and he was in a position to make it not happen so he tried it.
You Pats Fans are funny. Look, 13 points is TWO TOUCHDOWNS.
Meaning that the ONLY way for the Browns to BEAT or even TIE you is to socre TWO TOUCHDOWNS.
Let's say that the Pats kick the field goal and are up 13 points and then kickoff and Cribbs returns it for a TD (Which some of you are saying the Pats feared).
That would mean that the Pats would STILL be up 6 points, right? Okay you're still with me.
Then, the Browns would have to get an Onside kick. Which happens LESS than 10% of time historically.
So, let's assume that the Browns pull off the Miracle and actually recover it at or around their own 40 yard line (Which is where 90% of the Onside kicks end up.
Because the Pats kicked the Field goal, the Browns are now FORCED to try for a TD. A Filed Goal will NO LONGER TIE the game for them. Because the Pats kicked the Field Goal on 4th and Goal instead of going for it.
If ALL these things happend, then the Browns would have to go 60 yards for a TD with less than 50 Seconds left. Not impossible, but improbable.
BUT, because the Pats went for the TD on 4th down and in this UNLIKELY scenario they're only up 3 points....the Browns only have to go 30 yards to get into Filed Goal range to Tie the Game and send it into Overtime.
It was Either a MISTAKE by Belicheck, or they were trying to run up the score/ padd Brady's stats.
Now, that's Pretty Strong.
Meaning that the ONLY way for the Browns to BEAT or even TIE you is to socre TWO TOUCHDOWNS.
Let's say that the Pats kick the field goal and are up 13 points and then kickoff and Cribbs returns it for a TD (Which some of you are saying the Pats feared).
That would mean that the Pats would STILL be up 6 points, right? Okay you're still with me.
Then, the Browns would have to get an Onside kick. Which happens LESS than 10% of time historically.
So, let's assume that the Browns pull off the Miracle and actually recover it at or around their own 40 yard line (Which is where 90% of the Onside kicks end up.
Because the Pats kicked the Field goal, the Browns are now FORCED to try for a TD. A Filed Goal will NO LONGER TIE the game for them. Because the Pats kicked the Field Goal on 4th and Goal instead of going for it.
If ALL these things happend, then the Browns would have to go 60 yards for a TD with less than 50 Seconds left. Not impossible, but improbable.
BUT, because the Pats went for the TD on 4th down and in this UNLIKELY scenario they're only up 3 points....the Browns only have to go 30 yards to get into Filed Goal range to Tie the Game and send it into Overtime.
It was Either a MISTAKE by Belicheck, or they were trying to run up the score/ padd Brady's stats.
Now, that's Pretty Strong.
Iwannabeacowboybaby!
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This isn't going to convince you and you seem so deep into this you may not even admit it if it did make sense but that sentence I bolded is the reason he went for the TD.It doesn't matter about the improbables of it all, he had a chance to finish the game. He didn't want ANY situation where the Browns could have the ball with 35 seconds or whatever down by 6, that's crazy.
I'm a long way off before believing the Patriots are out to fluff up their stats. So, if the Patriots are up 10 with 2 minutes to go tomorrow and they run in a TD instead of throw it in, are you going to be on here apologizing or are you going to take the stance that it's just one game and do this all season?
SteveInChicago
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I'm not a Pats fan... but...
Even if they're trying to pad Brady's stats and go for the Single-season TD record... so what?
If there's a record you can break, why not go for it?
Even if they're trying to pad Brady's stats and go for the Single-season TD record... so what?
If there's a record you can break, why not go for it?
SteveInChicago
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BB's opponent in FF that week had Gostkowski as the kicker.
This is a good point. But it still left them with the CHANCE that the Browns were a TD drive, Onside and Filed goal from tying the game.Remeber also that if they score the TD, they have to kickoff to Cribbs also.
Nobody said there was anything wrong with it. I was just wondering if they were trying for it. I hope he makes a run atthe record. I like seeing Records broken.
Lord Lucan
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If we had points for versus points against as the #1 overall tiebreaker in the NFL, this thread wouldn't even exist. Of course, that would be far too logical. We've had this conversation on here umpteen times before, but IMO nobody has ever provided a satisfactory explanation of why it is more insulting/less classy to play your normal game rather than "take pity" on your opponent. If you are losing 35-0, the answer is for your defense to play harder, not for the opposing offense to play softer.
DropKick
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Give it up man. And what kind of chance do you think the Browns had of going 96 yards without a timeout in 52 seconds? And to leave themselves enough time to execute and recover an onside kick? And then get into field goal range?LOL at worrying about a kick-off return up by 3 scores.
DropKick
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I agree with part of what you're saying but there are extremes. In the blow-out you describe, the team with the lead would be better served protecting key players or getting additional playing time (experience) for backups. I don't recall too much discussion about Westbrook's injury when he was in the game late in the Eagles 56 point blow-out.Of course, the best approach for managing the game with a big lead is to run the ball and take as much time off the clock as possible. NFL teams usually don't make their players go through any more than they have to.
RandyDB
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Which is what Patriots did, forcing the Browns to burn their time-outsTwo-Minute Warning 2-9-CLE 13 (2:00) 12-T.Brady pass incomplete short left to 84-B.Watson. PENALTY on CLE-26-S.Jones, Defensive Holding, 5 yards, enforced at CLE 13 - No Play. 1-8-CLE 8 (1:56) NE 50-Vrabel eligible. 38-K.Eckel left tackle to CLE 8 for no gain (98-Roba.Smith, 91-S.Smith). Timeout #2 by CLE at 01:48. 2-8-CLE 8 (1:48) NE 50-Vrabel eligible. 38-K.Eckel right tackle to CLE 5 for 3 yards (98-Roba.Smith). Timeout #3 by CLE at 01:43. 3-5-CLE 5 (1:43) NE 50-Vrabel eligible. 38-K.Eckel right tackle to CLE 4 for 1 yard (54-A.Davis, 26-S.Jones). Timeout #2 by NE at 00:57. 4-4-CLE 4
57) NE 50-Vrabel eligible. 12-T.Brady pass incomplete short left to 88-K.Brady [78-E.Kelley].
SeniorVBDStudent
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Here's what Brady and the entire organization are going for:
Utter annihilation of all defenses. Blitzkreig. 16-0.
If 54 TDs are a consequence of this effort, that's nice.
After all, records aren't rings.
Utter annihilation of all defenses. Blitzkreig. 16-0.
If 54 TDs are a consequence of this effort, that's nice.
After all, records aren't rings.
Pittsburgh United
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FixedHere's what Brady and the entire organization are going for:
Utter annihilation of all defenses. Blitzkreig. 16-0. *
If 54 TDs * are a consequence of this effort, that's nice.
After all, records * aren't rings. *
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