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Brady is the best ever? (1 Viewer)

timschochet

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Not sure I agree that Brady is the best ever, but I enjoyed reading this anyway:

Since nobody reads a secondary better than Tom Brady reads a secondary the Buffalo Bills decided to put him to the ultimate test.

Early in the first quarter the New England Patriots faced third-and-12 from the Buffalo 43. Instead of pressuring Brady, which rarely pays off, the Bills attempted to confuse him with numbers.

Two players rushed. Nine fell back into coverage. That meant 14 players, just five of them his own, were sprinting and cutting and curling within a 40-yard area as Brady surveyed the field, looking for calm in the chaos.

Suddenly the greatest quarterback who ever lived spotted a pinhole in the blanket. Like Nolan Ryan reaching back for a little extra on the fastball, Brady cocked his right arm, shuffle-stepped and sent a blur of a pass down the right sideline near the front corner of the end zone.

Bills safety George Wilson froze in his tracks. Randy Moss caught the pass in stride over Wilson’s left shoulder. The Patriots had a 14-0 lead with 8:04 remaining in the opening quarter and, as in nine of the 10 games they’ve played this unbeaten season, the rout was on.

You can have Joe Montana, Jim Kelly, Dan Marino and Bart Starr.

Steve Young, Troy Aikman, Joe Namath and Kenny Stabler are all yours.

Take any and every quarterback you’d like at the absolute height of his prime but if you’re up against Brady, you lose almost all the time.

Incomprehensible is what it is. Just impossible to fathom. It’s not only the 56-10 walloping Brady inflicted upon the Bills on national TV Sunday night, but the surgically precise walloping he’s administered routinely during New England’s 10-0 start.

The Patriots took possession seven times with Brady at the controls. All seven times they scored a touchdown, each drive carrying with it an air of inevitability.

Brady completed 31 of 39 passes, a 79 percent completion rate that improved his season percentage to an ethereal 74 percent. Five of his throws went for touchdowns.

What makes Brady different from most people, not just athletes, is that none of this incredible success goes to his head. He’s grounded in a Tiger Woods sort of way, unmoved by personal achievement, or at least unwilling to let on if he is. He deferred the credit for Sunday’s performance to his offensive line, which is typical of Brady, who once agreed

to do commercials for a credit card company only after it agreed to put his trenchmen in the script. Contrast that with Indianapolis quarterback Peyton Manning, who lives on the island of commercial overexposure, his appearances so frequent you can’t help but wonder if his promotional schedule is equal in importance to his football.

Manning wants to be loved the way Phil Mickelson wants to be loved. Brady merely wants to be respected and perhaps, deep down, recognized as the best there’s ever been at his position.

But, unlike Woods, Brady can’t pursue unquestioned greatness by targeting the career record for majors. Brady’s burden is to put up the numbers week after week, year after year, which he’s done with remarkable frequency since taking over for the injured Drew Bledsoe in 2001. If the Pats win it all this year — and who’s going to stop them? — that’ll make it Super Bowl championship No. 4 for the sixth-round draft pick out of Michigan.

Offensively, the Pats have never been better. Until this season Brady’s been wanting for a big-time, big-play receiver. Yes, Brady once threw to Deion Branch, MVP of Super Bowl XXXVIII, until Branch left in search of a hefty contract. But Branch is not on the same level as Moss, who’s been rejuvenated alongside Brady after two subpar, indifferent seasons in Oakland. His four touchdown catches upped his season total to 16 as he and Brady advance toward records that might really truly never be broken.

“I’m just in a good situation,” Moss said. “I’m still in a dream. It’s too good to be true. I’m with the Patriots. What more do you want?”

What more could any wideout want than to be on the target end of a Brady pass, knowing somehow he’ll find you, even when the chances are five against nine.

 
Three Superbowl championships en route to #4. On his way to having the greatest statistical season for a qb ever. Probably gonna have an undefeated season this year.

Dont see how anyone can dispute that he is the greatest qb of all time. Except for the fact that its such a bold statement

 
It is amazing that Moss was that wide open on a play when Buffalo dropped 9 into coverage.
5 blocking 2? How hard is that? Everyone will be open eventually. Who wouldn't love to sit there and not worry about a pass rush. That has the be the dumbest defense against Brady yet. They actually did it completely backwards like Washington did. No surprise both teams took huge beatings. It's press coverage, bring 7-9 if you want to have a chance. It has already been proven that if you don't apply any pressure you will lose by 40+.
 
It is amazing that Moss was that wide open on a play when Buffalo dropped 9 into coverage.
I know I will be killed for saying this, but I was thinking if you played a 2 or 3 def line the majority of the game and forced the Patriots to run the ball, would it give your team a better chance to win in the long run, because it would kill the clock faster and shorten the game. So what I am saying , is a slow death better than a fast death like the Buffalo game last night.
 
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It is amazing that Moss was that wide open on a play when Buffalo dropped 9 into coverage.
5 blocking 2? How hard is that? Everyone will be open eventually. Who wouldn't love to sit there and not worry about a pass rush. That has the be the dumbest defense against Brady yet. They actually did it completely backwards like Washington did. No surprise both teams took huge beatings. It's press coverage, bring 7-9 if you want to have a chance. It has already been proven that if you don't apply any pressure you will lose by 40+.
No, it's been proven that if you can't get pressure with only 4 coming you don't have a chance. Nearly every team to play NE has tried to press and blitz at some point. NE (Moss especially) have toasted it every time. The problem is, very few teams have the personal to get that kind of pressure with only 4.
 
It is amazing that Moss was that wide open on a play when Buffalo dropped 9 into coverage.
5 blocking 2? How hard is that? Everyone will be open eventually. Who wouldn't love to sit there and not worry about a pass rush. That has the be the dumbest defense against Brady yet. They actually did it completely backwards like Washington did. No surprise both teams took huge beatings. It's press coverage, bring 7-9 if you want to have a chance. It has already been proven that if you don't apply any pressure you will lose by 40+.
They did send people at times, but Brady read the blitzes and hit the open man 5-10 yards down the field. You can't just drop men back, and you can't always send people either. You've got to mix it up and do your best to try to confuse him. The Steelers are the best in the world at this and I'm hoping they can be effective. But so far this year, this guy has not been confused at all...
 
Brady is certainly great, but his offensive line deserves much of the credit. He never takes a hit, is rarely under pressure and is on an island out there.

Put Brady under pressure and he's still great, but look at his career numbers before this year. They are not the greatest of all time. His QB rating fluctuated between 85 and 92. The big difference is the pressure he's been subjected to.

 
What's amazing is that this is the same QB that allowed his team to squander such an insurmountable lead against the Colts in the AFC championship game last year. Brady's a great QB but is by no means invincible. I can't remember Montana ever letting an opponent in the post season allowing them to come back from such a deficit.

Anyway, he looks much better this year than last year with his new weapons. Maybe, people will start giving some credit to the rest of the team instead of just the QB someday.

 
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What's amazing is that this is the same QB that allowed his team to squander such an insurmountable lead against the Colts in the AFC championship game last year. Brady's a great QB but is by no means invincible. I can't remember Montana ever letting an opponent in the post season allowing them to come back from such a deficit. Anyway, he looks much better this year than last year with his new weapons. Maybe, people will start giving some credit to the rest of the team instead of just the QB someday.
Was Brady playing defense in the 2nd half of that game?
 
What's amazing is that this is the same QB that allowed his team to squander such an insurmountable lead against the Colts in the AFC championship game last year. Brady's a great QB but is by no means invincible. I can't remember Montana ever letting an opponent in the post season allowing them to come back from such a deficit. Anyway, he looks much better this year than last year with his new weapons. Maybe, people will start giving some credit to the rest of the team instead of just the QB someday.
Was Brady playing defense in the 2nd half of that game?
Is Brady playing O-line and receiver this year?
 
If 9 are back in coverage, I quickly think "run Brady run".

Brady's arm is smokin' hot right now. I do recall Manning and Culpepper and Warner having "oh my" years in their careers. Best ever? I remember Favre, Marino, Montana, Young....having "oh my" years. I suppose the most recent 3(second sentence) were the best as records get broken by the most recent but there's a point to be made there. Warner was phenomenal with the Rams when they won the Supe. If I ask:was his career better than Montana? people would laugh. Manning and Culpepper's best years they didn't win a Supe. So the more you look at it, the best ever is never ever judged by just 1 year.

Many have often said let's see how Brady does without a great supporting cast. Every franchise that has a sweet run has some down time after it, so it seems inevitable. However if he's the winningest QB that he seems to be, the Pats will always win with him. Years from now it'll be interesting to see what player losses due to FA and retirement he can withstand. They don't have a ton of quality at LB if 2 or 3 retire soon and Rodney's absence always seems pretty big. Moss could leave via free agency, Stallworth is never going to make what he's scheduled to make in 2008. There's some hints there could be rough times ahead.

I don't think anyone started their career as well as Brady but how will it end? Without knowing that I'm not ready to crown him over Montana. It might be unfair but Montana ripped apart some Ds that I have tons of admiration and respect for. Brady doesn't have those Ds to play against so it might be unfair but he's still gotta make me forget or blow off that Montana ripped apart those Ds. He hasn't done that yet so he's not the best ever IMO. He's on his way, maybe, and is terrific but we're talking career which can be very long for a QB so I'm not rushing to decide.

 
If 9 are back in coverage, I quickly think "run Brady run".

Brady's arm is smokin' hot right now. I do recall Manning and Culpepper and Warner having "oh my" years in their careers. Best ever? I remember Favre, Marino, Montana, Young....having "oh my" years. I suppose the most recent 3(second sentence) were the best as records get broken by the most recent but there's a point to be made there. Warner was phenomenal with the Rams when they won the Supe. If I ask:was his career better than Montana? people would laugh. Manning and Culpepper's best years they didn't win a Supe. So the more you look at it, the best ever is never ever judged by just 1 year.

Many have often said let's see how Brady does without a great supporting cast. Every franchise that has a sweet run has some down time after it, so it seems inevitable. However if he's the winningest QB that he seems to be, the Pats will always win with him. Years from now it'll be interesting to see what player losses due to FA and retirement he can withstand. They don't have a ton of quality at LB if 2 or 3 retire soon and Rodney's absence always seems pretty big. Moss could leave via free agency, Stallworth is never going to make what he's scheduled to make in 2008. There's some hints there could be rough times ahead.

I don't think anyone started their career as well as Brady but how will it end? Without knowing that I'm not ready to crown him over Montana. It might be unfair but Montana ripped apart some Ds that I have tons of admiration and respect for. Brady doesn't have those Ds to play against so it might be unfair but he's still gotta make me forget or blow off that Montana ripped apart those Ds. He hasn't done that yet so he's not the best ever IMO. He's on his way, maybe, and is terrific but we're talking career which can be very long for a QB so I'm not rushing to decide.
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It is amazing that Moss was that wide open on a play when Buffalo dropped 9 into coverage.
5 blocking 2? How hard is that? Everyone will be open eventually. Who wouldn't love to sit there and not worry about a pass rush. That has the be the dumbest defense against Brady yet. They actually did it completely backwards like Washington did. No surprise both teams took huge beatings. It's press coverage, bring 7-9 if you want to have a chance. It has already been proven that if you don't apply any pressure you will lose by 40+.
They did send people at times, but Brady read the blitzes and hit the open man 5-10 yards down the field.
On a 3rd and 12... Hmmm...
 
What's amazing is that this is the same QB that allowed his team to squander such an insurmountable lead against the Colts in the AFC championship game last year. Brady's a great QB but is by no means invincible. I can't remember Montana ever letting an opponent in the post season allowing them to come back from such a deficit. Anyway, he looks much better this year than last year with his new weapons. Maybe, people will start giving some credit to the rest of the team instead of just the QB someday.
I agree. I still can't believe what a horrible job he did covering Dallas Clark in the second half of that game.Give credit where credit is due...the Colts O dragged a tired and beat up Pats D up and down the field in the second half of that game and deserved the W.
 
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What's amazing is that this is the same QB that allowed his team to squander such an insurmountable lead against the Colts in the AFC championship game last year. Brady's a great QB but is by no means invincible. I can't remember Montana ever letting an opponent in the post season allowing them to come back from such a deficit. Anyway, he looks much better this year than last year with his new weapons. Maybe, people will start giving some credit to the rest of the team instead of just the QB someday.
how can you write that last sentence after writing that first paragraph?
 
Brady is certainly great, but his offensive line deserves much of the credit. He never takes a hit, is rarely under pressure and is on an island out there. Put Brady under pressure and he's still great, but look at his career numbers before this year. They are not the greatest of all time. His QB rating fluctuated between 85 and 92. The big difference is the pressure he's been subjected to.
True on the OL.Put Moss in Green Bay and nobody is talking about Brady. PERIOD.
 
Brady is certainly great, but his offensive line deserves much of the credit. He never takes a hit, is rarely under pressure and is on an island out there. Put Brady under pressure and he's still great, but look at his career numbers before this year. They are not the greatest of all time. His QB rating fluctuated between 85 and 92. The big difference is the pressure he's been subjected to.
True on the OL.Put Moss in Green Bay and nobody is talking about Brady. PERIOD.
Isnt it nice to dream?
 
It is amazing that Moss was that wide open on a play when Buffalo dropped 9 into coverage.
5 blocking 2? How hard is that? Everyone will be open eventually. Who wouldn't love to sit there and not worry about a pass rush. That has the be the dumbest defense against Brady yet. They actually did it completely backwards like Washington did. No surprise both teams took huge beatings. It's press coverage, bring 7-9 if you want to have a chance. It has already been proven that if you don't apply any pressure you will lose by 40+.
They did send people at times, but Brady read the blitzes and hit the open man 5-10 yards down the field.
On a 3rd and 12... Hmmm...
Welker - a.k.a. "YAC master"
 
Bills safety George Wilson froze in his tracks. Randy Moss caught the pass in stride over Wilson’s left shoulder.
TO me, this Brady fluff job should actually be giving the credit for Moss for being able to get open consistently as he has in games where he is often triple covered. Not to take a way anything from Brady's skills, but much can be said about his success owing to having some quality receiving weapons in all aspects for the passing game.
 
What's amazing is that this is the same QB that allowed his team to squander such an insurmountable lead against the Colts in the AFC championship game last year. Brady's a great QB but is by no means invincible. I can't remember Montana ever letting an opponent in the post season allowing them to come back from such a deficit.
Do yourself a favor and take a look at the injury status of the pats in the 2nd half of that game.... then come back here and delete this post so folks don't judge you too harshly. I love how brady"let" indy come back. I had no idea Brady played LB or CB
 
Another bow down at the feet of the Patriots thread? The fans are going to make the Pats as hated as the Niners were in the 80s...kinda sad.

 
thanks for the article. nice read for Pats fans.

it was once blasphemous to call NE a Dynasty on par with the great NFL dynasties.

it was once blasphemous to compare Tom Brady to Joe Montana.

these comparisons are obviously now valid one.

no, I don't think Brady is the best ever yet. Joe Montana still owns that distinction.

But Brady's career is far from over and the NE Patriots look to be contenders for a few more years.

Brady is one of the greatest to ever play and he has a legit shot to secure his place as "Greatest Ever".

Another SuperBowl win will tie him with Montana (4 each), and an undefeated season would put him in his own elite tier. And that's just what he may achieve this season. So no, he isn't there yet. But it's all aligned for this guy to be the best ever.

 
Another bow down at the feet of the Patriots thread? The fans are going to make the Pats as hated as the Niners were in the 80s...kinda sad.
This was not intended to be what you described. I don't like the Patriots at all, as you may know. Buit I am intrigued by how well Brady is playing; I have no dislike for him in particular, and I thought the article was interesting and warranted discussion. That's all.
 
Another bow down at the feet of the Patriots thread? The fans are going to make the Pats as hated as the Niners were in the 80s...kinda sad.
This was not intended to be what you described. I don't like the Patriots at all, as you may know. Buit I am intrigued by how well Brady is playing; I have no dislike for him in particular, and I thought the article was interesting and warranted discussion. That's all.
You sure seem to start a lot of these threads...you were all over the Miami Dolphins last week, and you seem to want to crown the Pats as a better team even though they have 9 more weeks potentially to go...I'm just saying.
 
Another bow down at the feet of the Patriots thread? The fans are going to make the Pats as hated as the Niners were in the 80s...kinda sad.
This was not intended to be what you described. I don't like the Patriots at all, as you may know. Buit I am intrigued by how well Brady is playing; I have no dislike for him in particular, and I thought the article was interesting and warranted discussion. That's all.
You sure seem to start a lot of these threads...you were all over the Miami Dolphins last week, and you seem to want to crown the Pats as a better team even though they have 9 more weeks potentially to go...I'm just saying.
:excited: If the pats go 16-0 and then lose in the playoffs they still take that mark away from the Dolphins.
 
Not sure I agree that Brady is the best ever, but I enjoyed reading this anyway:

Since nobody reads a secondary better than Tom Brady reads a secondary the Buffalo Bills decided to put him to the ultimate test.

Early in the first quarter the New England Patriots faced third-and-12 from the Buffalo 43. Instead of pressuring Brady, which rarely pays off, the Bills attempted to confuse him with numbers.

Two players rushed. Nine fell back into coverage. That meant 14 players, just five of them his own, were sprinting and cutting and curling within a 40-yard area as Brady surveyed the field, looking for calm in the chaos.

Suddenly the greatest quarterback who ever lived spotted a pinhole in the blanket. Like Nolan Ryan reaching back for a little extra on the fastball, Brady cocked his right arm, shuffle-stepped and sent a blur of a pass down the right sideline near the front corner of the end zone.

Bills safety George Wilson froze in his tracks. Randy Moss caught the pass in stride over Wilson’s left shoulder. The Patriots had a 14-0 lead with 8:04 remaining in the opening quarter and, as in nine of the 10 games they’ve played this unbeaten season, the rout was on.

You can have Joe Montana, Jim Kelly, Dan Marino and Bart Starr.

Steve Young, Troy Aikman, Joe Namath and Kenny Stabler are all yours.

Take any and every quarterback you’d like at the absolute height of his prime but if you’re up against Brady, you lose almost all the time.

Incomprehensible is what it is. Just impossible to fathom. It’s not only the 56-10 walloping Brady inflicted upon the Bills on national TV Sunday night, but the surgically precise walloping he’s administered routinely during New England’s 10-0 start.

The Patriots took possession seven times with Brady at the controls. All seven times they scored a touchdown, each drive carrying with it an air of inevitability.

Brady completed 31 of 39 passes, a 79 percent completion rate that improved his season percentage to an ethereal 74 percent. Five of his throws went for touchdowns.

What makes Brady different from most people, not just athletes, is that none of this incredible success goes to his head. He’s grounded in a Tiger Woods sort of way, unmoved by personal achievement, or at least unwilling to let on if he is. He deferred the credit for Sunday’s performance to his offensive line, which is typical of Brady, who once agreed

to do commercials for a credit card company only after it agreed to put his trenchmen in the script. Contrast that with Indianapolis quarterback Peyton Manning, who lives on the island of commercial overexposure, his appearances so frequent you can’t help but wonder if his promotional schedule is equal in importance to his football.

Manning wants to be loved the way Phil Mickelson wants to be loved. Brady merely wants to be respected and perhaps, deep down, recognized as the best there’s ever been at his position.

But, unlike Woods, Brady can’t pursue unquestioned greatness by targeting the career record for majors. Brady’s burden is to put up the numbers week after week, year after year, which he’s done with remarkable frequency since taking over for the injured Drew Bledsoe in 2001. If the Pats win it all this year — and who’s going to stop them? — that’ll make it Super Bowl championship No. 4 for the sixth-round draft pick out of Michigan.

Offensively, the Pats have never been better. Until this season Brady’s been wanting for a big-time, big-play receiver. Yes, Brady once threw to Deion Branch, MVP of Super Bowl XXXVIII, until Branch left in search of a hefty contract. But Branch is not on the same level as Moss, who’s been rejuvenated alongside Brady after two subpar, indifferent seasons in Oakland. His four touchdown catches upped his season total to 16 as he and Brady advance toward records that might really truly never be broken.

“I’m just in a good situation,” Moss said. “I’m still in a dream. It’s too good to be true. I’m with the Patriots. What more do you want?”

What more could any wideout want than to be on the target end of a Brady pass, knowing somehow he’ll find you, even when the chances are five against nine.
Is this why he dates supermodels and gets them pregnant?I'm not blaming the guy, but let's not put him on a pedestal.

 
Another bow down at the feet of the Patriots thread? The fans are going to make the Pats as hated as the Niners were in the 80s...kinda sad.
This was not intended to be what you described. I don't like the Patriots at all, as you may know. Buit I am intrigued by how well Brady is playing; I have no dislike for him in particular, and I thought the article was interesting and warranted discussion. That's all.
That old group of Dolphins has annoyed me for years, I admit. Back in 2005, after Indy beat Pittsburgh in the regular season, I was really hoping they would run the table just to shut those guys up. I can't do the same for New England, but it would at least be a positive result for me, one of the very few...I do start a lot of threads about NE, and make posts in others. Some are critical, some are positive. I'm certainly rooting for them to lose. But they are the dominating subject this year in the NFL, and to me a fascinating topic for discussion. I certainly did not start most of the threads you see about them, and lately I have tried to stay away from the more ridiculous ones. If you find any particular thread to be boring or repetitive, just stop reading it. If no one's interested, it will drop out of site.You sure seem to start a lot of these threads...you were all over the Miami Dolphins last week, and you seem to want to crown the Pats as a better team even though they have 9 more weeks potentially to go...I'm just saying.
 
:excited: If the pats go 16-0 and then lose in the playoffs they still take that mark away from the Dolphins.
nobody can ever take anything away from the '72 Dolphins.NE can only hope to join them in an elite club.And if they go 16-0 and lose in the playoffs, NE will still be immortalized, they will become the "1b" of undefeated teams who's name is brought up every year another team threatens to go undefeated.
 
Dont see how anyone can dispute that he is the greatest qb of all time. Except for the fact that its such a bold statement
Postseason QB RatingMontana: 96.2Brady: 86.2Super Bowl QB RatingMontana: 127.8Brady: 99.9Postseason per game averagesMontana: 20/32/251/2.0/0.9Brady: 21/35/230/1.4/0.6Super Bowl per game averagesMontana: 21/31/285/2.75/0Brady: 24/36/245/2.0/0.3Brady's been great. But, not quite as good as Montana. In fact, in some areas, Montana's postseason and SB performances blow Brady's away.
 
What's amazing is that this is the same QB that allowed his team to squander such an insurmountable lead against the Colts in the AFC championship game last year. Brady's a great QB but is by no means invincible. I can't remember Montana ever letting an opponent in the post season allowing them to come back from such a deficit. Anyway, he looks much better this year than last year with his new weapons. Maybe, people will start giving some credit to the rest of the team instead of just the QB someday.
how can you write that last sentence after writing that first paragraph?
:angry:It's best not to concern yourself with anything radballs says about Brady or the Patriots.
 
:angry: If the pats go 16-0 and then lose in the playoffs they still take that mark away from the Dolphins.
nobody can ever take anything away from the '72 Dolphins.NE can only hope to join them in an elite club.And if they go 16-0 and lose in the playoffs, NE will still be immortalized, they will become the "1b" of undefeated teams who's name is brought up every year another team threatens to go undefeated.
If the Pats go 16-0 then lose in the playoffs then they will be the only team to go 16-0 (and will have had a MUCH more difficult path than those Fins. that said if they lose in the playoffs they do become 1bIf the pats go 16-0 then win the superbowl they will most definitely swipe the undefeated moniker from them and become 1A. They will have gone 19-0 (instead of 17-0) through a MUCH tougher schedule.
 
Brady is the best ever. I am a steeler fan and I have watched him burry my team with far less offensive talent than most of the other "great" QBs have had. Montana had an ALL-Pro at every position (Not to mention the greatest player of all time Jerry Rice) and still his best season was 31 tds(Rice caught 22 that year). I mention Montana because that is the comparison I have heard most often. I am from western PA and followed closely the Montana and Marino eras. Dan always had the numbers and Joe had the wins. Brady has both. I know his numbers were not mind blowing other than this year, but Montana NEVER had numbers that were mind blowing. The pats have no running game and he still can't be stopped. People want to take away from him because his o-line is great. Then you must do the same for all the great qbs who have other had great players around them. The fact is the kid is a winner. Brady has done more with less than anyone else has ever done. The great Peyton Manning looks pedestrian with out his all-pros (and he still has reggie wayne). This is always a tough debate because all of them were so great. People in my area mention that if Marino played on the 49ers there wouldn't even be a debate. All of that talk must be put aside and let the facts do the talking.

 
Brady is great, but the O Line is amazing... Brady had enough time to text message Moss before he threw the ball. It didn't matter if they sent 2 or 10 to rush brady, that line pick up everyone...

Brady definately has an upgrade WR core... and they are totally exploiting the protection that the line is giving him.

 
Beautifully written article, kudos to the author.

I said in week 4 of 2001 that Brady will go down in history as one of the best QBs ever, nothing has happened to change my mind.

 
Another bow down at the feet of the Patriots thread? The fans are going to make the Pats as hated as the Niners were in the 80s...kinda sad.
This was not intended to be what you described. I don't like the Patriots at all, as you may know. Buit I am intrigued by how well Brady is playing; I have no dislike for him in particular, and I thought the article was interesting and warranted discussion. That's all.
You sure seem to start a lot of these threads...you were all over the Miami Dolphins last week, and you seem to want to crown the Pats as a better team even though they have 9 more weeks potentially to go...I'm just saying.
:bowtie: If the pats go 16-0 and then lose in the playoffs they still take that mark away from the Dolphins.
I don't think so
 
Beautifully written article, kudos to the author.I said in week 4 of 2001 that Brady will go down in history as one of the best QBs ever, nothing has happened to change my mind.
That early huh? I give a lot of credit to Brady for the pass protection. He sets all the protections by identifying the defense. Dan Koppen then relays that to the rest of the line. Brady will often reset the protection several times pre-snap.
 
greenline said:
PatsFan72 said:
Beautifully written article, kudos to the author.I said in week 4 of 2001 that Brady will go down in history as one of the best QBs ever, nothing has happened to change my mind.
That early huh?
Y'upThere are still a few people around that remember the old cheatsheet.com days, and a much beloved post called "Patriots Bandwagon, Plenty of Room" I started around week 3 or 4 of the 2001 season. Talking about how great Brady is and how lucky were to have him, and that the Patriots will win the Super Bowl that year. It was kinda beautiful.
 
There are still a few people around that remember the old cheatsheet.com days, and a much beloved post called "Patriots Bandwagon, Plenty of Room" I started around week 3 or 4 of the 2001 season. Talking about how great Brady is and how lucky were to have him, and that the Patriots will win the Super Bowl that year. It was kinda beautiful.
Brady had "It".Jambalaya! :lmao:
 
tategjs said:
Brady is the best ever. I am a steeler fan and I have watched him burry my team with far less offensive talent than most of the other "great" QBs have had. Montana had an ALL-Pro at every position (Not to mention the greatest player of all time Jerry Rice) and still his best season was 31 tds(Rice caught 22 that year). I mention Montana because that is the comparison I have heard most often. I am from western PA and followed closely the Montana and Marino eras. Dan always had the numbers and Joe had the wins. Brady has both. I know his numbers were not mind blowing other than this year, but Montana NEVER had numbers that were mind blowing. The pats have no running game and he still can't be stopped. People want to take away from him because his o-line is great. Then you must do the same for all the great qbs who have other had great players around them. The fact is the kid is a winner. Brady has done more with less than anyone else has ever done. The great Peyton Manning looks pedestrian with out his all-pros (and he still has reggie wayne). This is always a tough debate because all of them were so great. People in my area mention that if Marino played on the 49ers there wouldn't even be a debate. All of that talk must be put aside and let the facts do the talking.
I think it's obvious by now that the Pats don't want nor need to run the ball. They are passing all the time it seems and especially in the red zone. Whether it's because they want to break records, they just want to or because they can is irrelevant. They have 46 offensive TD's and 38 (82%) came through the air and of the 8 remaining, Cassel and Brady have 3 of them. The year (1987) Rice put up 22 TD's, SF led the NFL in passing yards (virtual tie with Miami) and rushing yards, so the running game was just as big a factor, though they only scored 11 TD's on the ground. Young also tossed 10 TD's that year in the 8 games he played in giving SF 41 passing TD's. I have no doubt that NE will obliterate most offensive records this year. These are different eras though and comparing them is almost impossible. The pass, especially this year, is the weapon of choice while back in the 80's balance seemed like the ultimate goal. I'd also take issue with the personnel question of SF having "ALL-Pro's" at each position--the NE offense is certainly going to be well represented at the Pro-Bowl this year. SF only had 3 offensive Pro-Bowlers in 1987 (Montana, Rice and Craig), but that is another debate.As a small aside, Rice's 22 TD's came on only 65 receptions = 1 TD every 3 catches which is pretty incredible.

 
It is amazing that Moss was that wide open on a play when Buffalo dropped 9 into coverage.
Moss wasn't wide open. Wilson totally stopped on the play after the ball was in the air. I don't disagree with Brady being a great QB, but that play was not evidentiary of his status at all.
 
dgreen said:
Dont see how anyone can dispute that he is the greatest qb of all time. Except for the fact that its such a bold statement
Postseason QB RatingMontana: 96.2Brady: 86.2Super Bowl QB RatingMontana: 127.8Brady: 99.9Postseason per game averagesMontana: 20/32/251/2.0/0.9Brady: 21/35/230/1.4/0.6Super Bowl per game averagesMontana: 21/31/285/2.75/0Brady: 24/36/245/2.0/0.3Brady's been great. But, not quite as good as Montana. In fact, in some areas, Montana's postseason and SB performances blow Brady's away.
:rolleyes: Let's not let facts get in the way of delusional Pats fans...
 
dgreen said:
Dont see how anyone can dispute that he is the greatest qb of all time. Except for the fact that its such a bold statement
Postseason QB RatingMontana: 96.2Brady: 86.2Super Bowl QB RatingMontana: 127.8Brady: 99.9Postseason per game averagesMontana: 20/32/251/2.0/0.9Brady: 21/35/230/1.4/0.6Super Bowl per game averagesMontana: 21/31/285/2.75/0Brady: 24/36/245/2.0/0.3Brady's been great. But, not quite as good as Montana. In fact, in some areas, Montana's postseason and SB performances blow Brady's away.
And, in how many of those post seasons was Montana throwing to the likes of Deion Brfanch, David Givens, David Patten, an et al? Moreso, how many times has brady had a post season throwing to Jerry Rice or John Taylor? As we've seen from Brady this year, it sure makes a heck of a difference who you're throwing to. It can, shall we say, improve the numbers.
 
I agree with something Troy Aikman said recently...Brady isn't playing any better than he always has; he just has more weapons to throw to now. He has almost always played at a very high level, but only now does he have the WRs to put up outrageous numbers.

 
Ministry of Pain said:
Another bow down at the feet of the Patriots thread? The fans are going to make the Pats as hated as the Niners were in the 80s...kinda sad.
Worse. The Niners fans don't hold a candle to these jags (or you jags if you're a pats fan). I don't hope you lose. I don't hope anyone gets hurt. I just want to get it over with so we can all move on. That said, I do hope there's a conspiracy theory entitled 'How Brett Favre won the super bowl and retired' ready for us this February.
 

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