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Brady Poll is boring....only 503 votes (1 Viewer)
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twitch
Footballguy
Probably a little closer to reality there. But thank goodness my guy didnt show up #1 in that one. Otherwise, his season might be done and he'd be sitting on a tractor skipping out on the Pro Bowl. How's that offseason stuff goin' for ya so far, btw?
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the hairy scotsman
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Brett Favre 58%? 
Voted for Brett Favre...
I guess in that forum, more people are voting with their intellect intact and with a more evenly spread cross section of football fans.
Unlike in this forum where each year, the fans of the top few teams flood the site, and skrew any polls... while the fans of lossing teams don't bother showing up here in any great numbers. Afterall, where else can bandwagoneers pound their collective chests.
Von
I guess in that forum, more people are voting with their intellect intact and with a more evenly spread cross section of football fans.
Unlike in this forum where each year, the fans of the top few teams flood the site, and skrew any polls... while the fans of lossing teams don't bother showing up here in any great numbers. Afterall, where else can bandwagoneers pound their collective chests.
Von
Beergogglz
Footballguy
FUBAR
Footballguy
Probably a better cross section of casual fans using their short term memory and media rather than a true cross section of avid football fans. In a year where he broke some all-time records, it shouldn't surprise anyone that a major media poll would have him on top by a large margin. Still doesn't mean it's right.
_4_
Footballguy
Were you expecting an answer from Favre? You think he is a SP contributor? Hate to burst your bubble but thats very unlikely.
BelichicksRevenge
Footballguy
On that list of Qb's, Brett Favre has by far thrown the most number of idiotic passes.
neh:greatposting:Michael Fox Fan
Footballguy
Joe Montana should be at the top. Many Favre and Brady fans are too young to have witnessed Montana's genius first-hand.
Favre's 58% is absurd - I wouldn't necessarily rank him in the top 5, and I grew up in Green Bay.
Montana, Marino, Unitas, Graham, Elway. All those are reasonable choices ahead of Favre, and that's without including Brady or Manning.
Favre's 58% is absurd - I wouldn't necessarily rank him in the top 5, and I grew up in Green Bay.
Montana, Marino, Unitas, Graham, Elway. All those are reasonable choices ahead of Favre, and that's without including Brady or Manning.
SR388
Footballguy
You talk a lot of smack for a fan of a team that was the laughingstock of the league, both the AFL and NFL for roughly 40 years.
Tough As Nails
Glave Master
I have yet to see an "experts" poll from ESPN or SI or something that names Favre the greatest. He's a fan favorite and people like him more than almost any other player in NFL history...but that doesn't make him the best.
the hairy scotsman
Footballguy
BelichicksRevenge said:
...and I'm really surprised by the lack of love for some of the other names on that list (not Brady).EDIT:...and then I read this post:
It's like you read my mind.I also don't think it's a stretch to put Aikman and Young ahead of Favre, and to put Staubach and Bradshaw right there with him.
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Ron_Mexico
I Love Doggies
This is on par with the recent Kenya elections.... FIXED.Brady is the Raila Odinga of this poll.Brett Favre 58%?
Johnny Unitas at 2.7%? Sammy Baugh at .2%? What a joke.
Obviously a function of the demographic who reads MSNBC and votes in on-line polls.
If Johnny U was playing today he'd throw for 5,000 yards and 65 TDs, easy. (Of course if he were playing today, it'd be a miracle because he's dead, but that's another issue.) Back when He played men were men and fields were dirt.
Johnny U burped more TD passes than Brett Favre ever threw.
Obviously a function of the demographic who reads MSNBC and votes in on-line polls.
If Johnny U was playing today he'd throw for 5,000 yards and 65 TDs, easy. (Of course if he were playing today, it'd be a miracle because he's dead, but that's another issue.) Back when He played men were men and fields were dirt.
Johnny U burped more TD passes than Brett Favre ever threw.
_4_
Footballguy
The fans are the "experts". As the people who pay the salaries, their opinion matters. I know it is a hard pill for a lot of you to swallow, but the fact that Farve has all the lifetime records, and is so well liked/appreciated speaks volumes. He is the best.
Unitas was a good quarterback and a good story, but he didn't have the arm or skill of Favre or many of the others on the list. He helped usher the NFL into America's living rooms and was overrated as a result.
_4_
Footballguy
43 - saw the tail end of his career and many highlights. He was a weak armed (by today's standard), pretty tough guy who was among the best of his era. Jim Brown was the best RB ever, Gayle Sayers the most exciting, Barry Sanders the most elusive, Earl Campbell the most fun to watch (for me), and Bo Jackson the saddest story.Herschel Walker was far and away the best college running back ever.How old are you? Did you ever see Unitas play in his prime? Johnny U overrated? Blasphemy! You probably think LT is a better running back than Jim Brown, too.
OK, while I may disagree with you about Johnny U, at least you aren't some 22 year old snot nosed Favre fanboy who has no memories of Don Majkowski, who if he hadn't have gotten hurt, Favre never would have gotten a start.43 - saw the tail end of his career and many highlights. He was a weak armed (by today's standard), pretty tough guy who was among the best of his era. Jim Brown was the best RB ever, Gayle Sayers the most exciting, Barry Sanders the most elusive, Earl Campbell the most fun to watch (for me), and Bo Jackson the saddest story.Herschel Walker was far and away the best college running back ever.How old are you? Did you ever see Unitas play in his prime? Johnny U overrated? Blasphemy! You probably think LT is a better running back than Jim Brown, too.
Michael Fox Fan
Footballguy
For some reason, people lack perspective on history of the game. It's painful at times.BelichicksRevenge said:It's like you read my mind.I also don't think it's a stretch to put Aikman and Young ahead of Favre, and to put Staubach and Bradshaw right there with him.
PlasmaDogPlasma
Footballguy
Sammy Baugh not only led the league multiple times in TDs thrown, he led the league in interceptions caught. Let's see a Marino or Favre do that.
Sid Luckman still hold the NFL record for TD percentage and Otto Graham still has Yards/Attempt - the 2 most important efficiency numbers. Football was not invented in 1983.
Sid Luckman still hold the NFL record for TD percentage and Otto Graham still has Yards/Attempt - the 2 most important efficiency numbers. Football was not invented in 1983.
twitch
Footballguy
Cmon, this thread was beggin' for some smack to be talked.
slayer666
Footballguy
Brett Favre 58%?
All these "Greatest Ever" arguments always strike me as flawed. Because you can't really compare the eras that a Baugh, Luckman, Graham, Unitas played in and todays game. It's just changed (hasn't it?). The guys were tougher, and a different kind of tough. There was no physical therapy, doctors galore, trainers, treatments, and all the jazz that todays athletes have the benefit of.
But, in the same breath, those QB's of by-gone days didn't have 270lbs DE's, 320 lb DT's, and 250lb 4.4 40 running LB's slamming into them everytime they dropped back more than 3 steps. Look, it's just unfair to compare the "good old days" of the AFL/NFL and today's NFL.
Honestly, to break down the "Best" you'd really have to classify different categories and rate them. Can anyone say that Favre isn't the toughest, most durable, biggest armed QB (with success) to ever play? If that's what makes someone the "best," sure. Is it statistics alone? Which ones? Percentage, YPA, SuperBowl titles, TD:Int??
It's a dead end argument, and really isn't an argument at all...just a discussion. I give a /nod to those that recognize that really that poll is a "general public's perception" of today/this moment/now.
But, in the same breath, those QB's of by-gone days didn't have 270lbs DE's, 320 lb DT's, and 250lb 4.4 40 running LB's slamming into them everytime they dropped back more than 3 steps. Look, it's just unfair to compare the "good old days" of the AFL/NFL and today's NFL.
Honestly, to break down the "Best" you'd really have to classify different categories and rate them. Can anyone say that Favre isn't the toughest, most durable, biggest armed QB (with success) to ever play? If that's what makes someone the "best," sure. Is it statistics alone? Which ones? Percentage, YPA, SuperBowl titles, TD:Int??
It's a dead end argument, and really isn't an argument at all...just a discussion. I give a /nod to those that recognize that really that poll is a "general public's perception" of today/this moment/now.
Sammy Baugh also had one of the highest punting averages in NFL history, IIRC.
Interesting how stats and records mean nothing when they don't point to your favorite, but mean the world when they do.
The same goes for Superbowl wins, or lack thereof.
And what is wrong with being a fan favorite... afterall, what is the phrase, "Best QB" really referring to? Stats? Records? Superbowl wins? Great to watch play? Respect from the general fan base?
Brett Favre falls into all of these catagories. Do all the other QBs?
Von
The same goes for Superbowl wins, or lack thereof.
And what is wrong with being a fan favorite... afterall, what is the phrase, "Best QB" really referring to? Stats? Records? Superbowl wins? Great to watch play? Respect from the general fan base?
Brett Favre falls into all of these catagories. Do all the other QBs?
Von
Beergogglz
Footballguy
Being popular is nice, but Favre's lackluster playoff record (not to mention his game-killing mistakes and overall poor performances when the heat is on) hurts him in the GOAT discussion, IMO. Rarely will you hear people say, "If my team is down with 2 minutes to go, I want Favre leading the charge!" since it seems he's as likely to succeed as he is to hand the game to the opponent, as we just saw last week. Of course, the apologists will wail about him not having "good" players around him and such, but I wonder why those same sycophants aren't quick to laud those supposed sub par teammates when they rally and make plays enabling Favre to win games......
So are you saying that if Favre had Moss/Welker/Stallworth he still would not have made it the Superbowl this year?Hmmm...Von
Beergogglz
Footballguy
Who knows? Debating hypothetical and "what if" scenarios with so many variables present is a losing man's game.....Fact of the matter is that Favre's supporting cast has never been as bad as the apologists want to believe. The one constant is his judgement, or lack thereof at times. When he gets frustrated, he takes silly chances, and often those chances cost his team. That's not really news, is it?
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Road Warriors
Footballguy
Yup, saying just exactly that. It doesn't matter who you're throwing to if you put it 3 yards behind the open receiver into the waiting arms of the DB. Talent levels of WR don't matter if you don't make the throw.When you add Welker to this tandem, you seem to assume he's been a dominant WR for years. His top totals were 67 rec for about 700 yds, and 2 tds ( this is all of the top of my head, so accuracy suffers )Welker is a great slot receiver for a QB that can utilize the position. Moss is one of the top WR in the game today, without a doubt, but I'd take both Driver and Jennings over Stallworth. GB didn't lose because of their WR talent. They lost because their QB couldn't get the ball to one of his open WRs.
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I agree that career evaluated as a sum, Farve is the best ever.
Right now? No way I'd trade Brady for anyone.... and at this point in his career Brady is WAY beyond where Farve was. It's doubtful Tom will keep this pace, but if he wins on sunday, 4 Superbowl Rings and a host of records this early in his career will go a LONG way toward earning him the best-ever title if his career has any longevity and consistency whatsoever.
Right now? No way I'd trade Brady for anyone.... and at this point in his career Brady is WAY beyond where Farve was. It's doubtful Tom will keep this pace, but if he wins on sunday, 4 Superbowl Rings and a host of records this early in his career will go a LONG way toward earning him the best-ever title if his career has any longevity and consistency whatsoever.
the hairy scotsman
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