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Brady Quinn - 1st Pick in the draft? (1 Viewer)
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The Jacket
Footballguy
You think?
Just look at the jump. Almost unprecedented leap from mediocre to elite, numbers wise.He looks pretty ordinary to me as well. Henne looked much more like a 1st round QB than Quinn. However, Weiss has been quoted as saying Quinn will be very successful in the next level. (No I don't have a link but I know he said this on Mike and the Mad Dog during his interviews). It could be coach-speak but then again Weiss seems to be a pretty straight shooter when it comes to the NFL.
None_More_Black
Footballguy
His game against Michigan today cost him millions of dollars. Bad day for sure.
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peter griffin
Footballguy
While he certainly wasn't his best today, he could use some help from his teammates. He had a couple good passes dropped(especially that one that went through the tight ends hands and returned for a TD) and his offensive line was not giving him the most stellar protection. I think he should be fine in the NFL but certainly not the uber-QB he was described to be this preseason.
None_More_Black
Footballguy
The white receiver(tough name to spell) who Kiper graded as a first rounder did not help his cause any either.
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Mike Hart, on the other hand, looks like a solid pro...He won't be the top RB in his class but he knows how to read and follow his blocks, runs tough and hard, is now working in a zone blocking system,and hasn't fumbled in 500+ touches. Sounds like he's tailor-made to be a Denver Bronco.
Horrible info here.
I like the attempt to get some college football talk on this board (very very rare), but seriously....
Don't watch one game and use it as your only basis for a guy's NFL value.
Samardzija's stock did not change today.
Brady Quinn is a top 2 pick. Lock it up.
I like the attempt to get some college football talk on this board (very very rare), but seriously....
Don't watch one game and use it as your only basis for a guy's NFL value.
Samardzija's stock did not change today.
Brady Quinn is a top 2 pick. Lock it up.
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Great analysis. This must be the quality college football talk you are speaking of. The fact of the matter is that Quinn was a big recruit who has been overhyped thanks to playing for the Irish and Weiss's offense. He may still be an early first round pick but that will be due to lack of alternatives.aposulli said:
Jason Wood
Zoo York
Very rare? We have boatloads of college coverage, particularly as it relates to the NFL draft. And our website content is expansive as well...we have staff like Bloom and Lammey who focus a ton of their attention and content on college scouting. If you don't listen to the Audible (our podcast), you should...Lammey and Bloom have multiple hours of college preview stuff available. Getting back to the matter at hand...Quinn certainly didn't help himself today. But then again, his competition for the top QB spot has failed to make their marks either. Drew Stanton has looked pedestrian and Brian Brohm is out for four to six weeks and looked mortal prior to the injury. It will take a lot more than this loss to Michigan to keep Quinn from being a top 5 pick. A lot more.aposulli said:
Captain Blowhard
Footballguy
Quinn is not even a Day 1 pick (or at least shouldn't be). Completely overhyped. Even when he had time to throw he missed his wrs by a mile.Henne--you know, the guy who threw for 25 tds or so as a true freshman?--will be a vastly superior pro to Quinn. The only reason he's not getting as much love so far is because of the Quinn/Dame huge media PR machine.Quinn is Ron Powlus reincarnated.aposulli said:
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This is what I meant by lack of college football intelligence based on the random posters on the rare threads for CFB.The content on the website I'm sure is great. I just meant the forum.
Gold Plated Nails
Footballguy
I hope the Chargers draft Samardzija. I don't care if he had a bad day, that guy is pure ownage. Sorry for the side track.
JayMan
Footballguy
To think that these 3 guys will certainly be 1st round pick comes April (Quinn / Brohm / Stanton that is)... and only those three (sorry Troy Smith / Jordan Palmer / Trent Edwards / Jamarcus Russell)... unless he falls of the earth, Quinn is an automatic Top5 pick - especially if you believe that the Raiders / 49ers / Packers / Titans / Texans will be picking at the top...49ers - Smith;
Packers - Rodgers;
Titans - Young;
Texans - Carr;
Raiders... oh, oh - we have a winner!
(And don't think the Raiders won't have a Top5 pick!
- and no, Walter doesn't compare with the others)His TD catch was magical, but Leon Hall really took him out of the game (of course Hall is probably a 1st or 2nd round pick himself).
Gold Plated Nails
Footballguy
Did you see his TD against Penn State? That guy is nails.
Limp Ditka
Footballguy
Azcards, is that you?
The knock on Henne before today had been a lack of touch. Today, he showed great touch. I hope he can keep it up, but he still needs a little work on his short passing touch but he is still improving. UM needs to keeping increasing Manningham's role--that will continue to do a lot for Henne's stock. Henne's great freshman year was greatly helped by Braylon Edwards playmaking presence.
None_More_Black
Footballguy
When you look like crap against Michigan at home with a first round prospect at receiver you lose value. NFL defenses are better then Michigan. Notre Dame has beaten no one. You know why tom brady got drafted? He did not have big skills, but he played well against good opponents. That's what translates to the NFL.aposulli said:
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Chaos Commish
Footballguy
I think the draft content here in the Shark Pool rivaled the busiest draftnik sites last spring in quantity and surpassed them in quality. The tool factor goes up in the FFA where college football is discussed, but there's game threads and discussion there every weekend. I've found the best way to generate a good discussion on this topic here is to provide some good analysis of a player or situation. You cannot be a know it all and you should be open to the idea that this is an NFL based community so a little "understanding" goes a long way, whereas a little "testiness or judgementalism" will just kill a thread. I think the QBs coming out this year are excellent. I said last January, when I was defending Cutler, that I like Stanton for the NFL better than Quinn, who like Leinart I see as part product of his system. I like Quinn a lot though. I need to see more. It's still really early. He has had some fantastic performances. And he has laid some eggs. He certainly has the frame, and he certainly has the arm. He's getting great experience under Charlie. I'd like to see him react faster and with better judgment, and I would really really like to see him start hitting small windows. He has accuracy to an area, but I don't see the pinpoint accuracy that he will need at the next level. I see that in Stanton, but he is inconsistent with it. I love Brohm and he tops my board. I disagree with Jason. I think he looks very prototypical for the NFL and all the tools are there, refined, and polished. I am amazed by Troy Smith. His size is a concern, but you cannot watch him without seeing a supreme talent, imo. The best QB in all of college football is Ben Olson. He may or may not declare for the draft. If he does, he brings more to the table than any of these guys. I know that seems like crazy talk, but that's what they said to me about Cutler last October and Tarvaris Jackson last December. It's a long season. These guys are young and STILL developing right before our eyes. Brady Quinn is no more a lock for #2 or top #5 than Leinart was this time a year ago. Something I argued was premature, and something that was met with incredulous replies. Patience.
Chaos Commish
Footballguy
Sure he will. Could be #1 overall, could go in the 20s. He'd have to be brutal all season to fall out of the first round. Here's something not many are talking about yet, but this years draft is very shallow. Late first rounders are going to be comparable players to late second and early thirds from this past April, and I don't care how many underclassmen declare.
None_More_Black
Footballguy
So what? NFL teams are not going to draft a qb that they think can't compete at the next level. Do you remember what happened to aaron rodgers? Drew Brees?
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The_U
Footballguy
Lemme say this and I loathe Notre Dame: they did not nor have they ever, had a "cupcake schedule." In the sake of fairness, ND plays one of the nation's toughest schedules, and last year was no anomaly.Let's get back to Pro Football now.Shiver44 said:
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I think the draft content here in the Shark Pool rivaled the busiest draftnik sites last spring in quantity and surpassed them in quality. The tool factor goes up in the FFA where college football is discussed, but there's game threads and discussion there every weekend. I've found the best way to generate a good discussion on this topic here is to provide some good analysis of a player or situation. You cannot be a know it all and you should be open to the idea that this is an NFL based community so a little "understanding" goes a long way, whereas a little "testiness or judgementalism" will just kill a thread. I think the QBs coming out this year are excellent. I said last January, when I was defending Cutler, that I like Stanton for the NFL better than Quinn, who like Leinart I see as part product of his system. I like Quinn a lot though. I need to see more. It's still really early. He has had some fantastic performances. And he has laid some eggs. He certainly has the frame, and he certainly has the arm. He's getting great experience under Charlie. I'd like to see him react faster and with better judgment, and I would really really like to see him start hitting small windows. He has accuracy to an area, but I don't see the pinpoint accuracy that he will need at the next level. I see that in Stanton, but he is inconsistent with it. I love Brohm and he tops my board. I disagree with Jason. I think he looks very prototypical for the NFL and all the tools are there, refined, and polished. I am amazed by Troy Smith. His size is a concern, but you cannot watch him without seeing a supreme talent, imo. The best QB in all of college football is Ben Olson. He may or may not declare for the draft. If he does, he brings more to the table than any of these guys. I know that seems like crazy talk, but that's what they said to me about Cutler last October and Tarvaris Jackson last December. It's a long season. These guys are young and STILL developing right before our eyes. Brady Quinn is no more a lock for #2 or top #5 than Leinart was this time a year ago. Something I argued was premature, and something that was met with incredulous replies. Patience.
I also agree with the previous poster that no way Oakland would pass on Quinn. They have no dire need at RB, WR and their D is full of young guys that I'm sure they want to give a shot. Walter will get his chance to prove himself sometime this season I think... as will Aaron Rodgers for the Pack. Both could easily fail to show the potential to be an NFL starter, though it may be a little early for GB to give up on Rodgers considering he was a 1st Rounder.Texans, Lions and Jets are also teams to look at perhaps going QB in the 1st Round.... but the team most likely to nab a QB in Round 1 will be.... the Buffalo Bills.
eddiezz74
Footballguy
Yeah, playing Army, Navy, Air Force, North Carolina AND Stanford, playing only 4 road games out of 12 (Navy is neutral, but is usually a pro ND crowd anyway) and playing only 3 ranked teams in their 12 games (2 of them at home) looks really tough to me.
Mr. Know-It-All
Footballguy
Well, top 3 if Ron Powlus reenters the draft.aposulli said:
None_More_Black
Footballguy
Man the truth hurts. Good win at the big house last year, but it's clear now that 2006 michigan is >>>>>>> 2005 michigan.
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winwithike
Footballguy
Lets see, Auburns schedule this year has only 3 ranked teams in their 12 games (all 3 of which are at home), only has 4 away games, and plays buffalo, washington state, tulane, mississippi state, and the mighty arkansas state indiansOhio States schedule has only one more ranked team than NDs last year, with 2 of them at home, and play power house schools northern illinois, bowling green, indiana, and illinois, 5 road games
ND this year is just like last years, 3 ranked teams 2 of which are at home along with only 4 road games and plays those same 5 you mentioned in your post
West Virginia plays just one ranked team this year
These are all basically identical to NDs schedule last year, if you think these are easy schedules (ok West Virginias is) then you arent going to find many "tough" schedules out there in college football. Florida and USC are probably the only good teams that play more than 4 teams ranked in the top 25 at the moment so I can't see holding it against a school for only playing 3.
I hate ND as much as the next guy, but I can't stand it when people bring up college schedules to talk about how good or bad a team is because the majority of the contending schools have VERY similar schedules
delusional
Footballguy
outside of quinn i really cant think of any other nfl caliber type qb coming from this draft.
so yea, his stock will stay the same
so yea, his stock will stay the same
I think another poster said it best when he mentioned Quinn never having to make pinpoint throws. I would feel a lot safer about him if we’d seen that, but his receivers are generally open by a wide margin and he has the freedom to loft the ball to them. That’s another issue I have, he throws a very soft pass. Don’t get me wrong because that’s definitely a good thing, but just as with putting the ball on a specific spot there will be more pressure on him in the NFL and I’d like to see that he can rifle it in to a target sometimes. The only other knock on him I’ve noticed is his composure, he doesn’t make very fast reads and against a stronger pass rush (like GT’s) that becomes a problem. It’s a minor one, though, which really isn’t much of an issue. All of these things are problems of convenience, too - he doesn't show those skills simply because he never has to with the talent around him, and it's hard to criticize him for that.
To be honest though, I’m touting Troy Smith out of this draft class. I’ve loved him since they stopped putting the idea in his head that all he could do better than Zwick was run, forcing him to take to his feet too often. So far this season the guy has show incredible poise and precision in the pocket and very, very good arm strength. The most impressive thing though, is that he’s shown incredible restraint in bolting under pressure. He’s stepping up in the pocket and using his mobility to buy time in the pocket instead of escaping it, and I love that; it’s very mature of him. And on top of all his physical skills, he has seemingly matured ages compared to the kid that was getting in trouble with boosters a couple of seasons ago, he has a command of the huddle and a definite rapport with his receivers. I know most people want to take a flier on him because of his size (6’0 on a good day) but I really think he’ll be able to make it despite that, much like Drew Brees. It may take him a year, possibly two or even three, but the team that has the patience to stick with him is going to get their money’s worth in my opinion. Granted my opinion is virtually worthless, but I'm sticking with it.
That said, Quinn is still going in the top five, easy, and Smith is still going to fall out of the first and possibly second round, easy.
To be honest though, I’m touting Troy Smith out of this draft class. I’ve loved him since they stopped putting the idea in his head that all he could do better than Zwick was run, forcing him to take to his feet too often. So far this season the guy has show incredible poise and precision in the pocket and very, very good arm strength. The most impressive thing though, is that he’s shown incredible restraint in bolting under pressure. He’s stepping up in the pocket and using his mobility to buy time in the pocket instead of escaping it, and I love that; it’s very mature of him. And on top of all his physical skills, he has seemingly matured ages compared to the kid that was getting in trouble with boosters a couple of seasons ago, he has a command of the huddle and a definite rapport with his receivers. I know most people want to take a flier on him because of his size (6’0 on a good day) but I really think he’ll be able to make it despite that, much like Drew Brees. It may take him a year, possibly two or even three, but the team that has the patience to stick with him is going to get their money’s worth in my opinion. Granted my opinion is virtually worthless, but I'm sticking with it.
That said, Quinn is still going in the top five, easy, and Smith is still going to fall out of the first and possibly second round, easy.
rabidfireweasel
Footballguy
People here have very short memories. In 2001, USC lead by Heisman winner Carson Palmer lost 10-6 to Kansas at home. He had a mediocre first two years to his college career. People said he was the product of Chow's system and struggled against top competition. Gues what? He won the Heiman and then went first overall.
Most of the threads here have been pruned, but most people on this board (trying to be clever contrarians) prefered Leftwich by about a 3-1 margin. They preeferred Leftwich's supporting cast of Fred Taylor and Jimmy Smith. When Leftwich took over for Brunell, that talk got even more loud. Did Cincy make a mistake? Now everyone says they knew Palmer was a lock.
Quinn will go in the first and he will need more than one bad game for a loss to prevent that. To say otherwise is ignorant.
Most of the threads here have been pruned, but most people on this board (trying to be clever contrarians) prefered Leftwich by about a 3-1 margin. They preeferred Leftwich's supporting cast of Fred Taylor and Jimmy Smith. When Leftwich took over for Brunell, that talk got even more loud. Did Cincy make a mistake? Now everyone says they knew Palmer was a lock.
Quinn will go in the first and he will need more than one bad game for a loss to prevent that. To say otherwise is ignorant.
Bojang0301
Omar4Heisman
Troy Smith is better than Brady Quinn... and it's not close by a long shot.
Bojang0301
Omar4Heisman
His development has astounded me. It's like not only does the guy make play after play in the pocket, you know he is a threat to start running if he wants. He is so precise and always makes good decisions... and he wins the big ones.
Bob Henry
Footballguy
I'm not a Spartan fan, but I've enjoyed watching Drew Stanton since his early days as a high school QB at Farmington Hill Harrison.
The Spartans offense is gimmicky, so I'm not sure how he'll translate into the pro game, but the kid is one heck of an athlete.. just like Troy Smith.
As a Wolverine fan, I was underwhelmed by Henne's play last year, but he did make some tremendous throws yesterday against ND. He could be a sleeper, but at least in my eyes.. I want to see him become more consistent, especially with his touch and accuracy. He has the arm strength, but he's not nearly as mobile as Stanton, Smith or Quinn for that matter.
The Spartans offense is gimmicky, so I'm not sure how he'll translate into the pro game, but the kid is one heck of an athlete.. just like Troy Smith.
As a Wolverine fan, I was underwhelmed by Henne's play last year, but he did make some tremendous throws yesterday against ND. He could be a sleeper, but at least in my eyes.. I want to see him become more consistent, especially with his touch and accuracy. He has the arm strength, but he's not nearly as mobile as Stanton, Smith or Quinn for that matter.
knowledge dropper
Footballguy
Troy Smith will have an NFL career that rivals Omar Jacobs.
JayMan
Footballguy
In my humble opinion... where a QB is drafted in the NFL draft comes down to three things:
1. Measurables / Skills / Intangibles;
2. Competition;
3. Team needs.
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1. A QB that has the size - has a strong arm - is accurate - has a quick delivery - makes quick reads - goes through his progressions without locking up - leads his team - can learn a system swiftly... will be drafted prior to a QB that has less talent even though he might have played all his games against Noone State and none against Michigan...
Scouts will evaluate him during his college games - but they will look at them far more closely during the combine - the workouts they do for respective teams - the interviews... this is where they want to know if their skills will translate to the NFL...
2. If there are more than one or two attractive QBs in the draft... a certain player might fall... we all know that aspect - we do it constantly when drafting our FF teams (tiers / "will he be there after the turn?" / no need to reach - there is 3 equivalent guys before the next dropoff)...
Aaron Rodgers would have been the #1 overall pick if Alex Smith wasn't in the draft...
3. Even though Brady Quinn might be the next superstar in the Titans mind... they surely won't pick him because they drafted Vince Young last year... they will look at other needs and grab the superstar there (theoretically!)...
Case in point - Aaron Rodgers again... why did he fell to the Packers two years ago? No one needed a QB in the 10s...
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All these factors make it very unpredictable as to where Brady Quinn will be drafted... we can agree to disagree on his skills (i.e. Smith or Stanton or Brohm or else will be a better NFL QB)... but we can't say for sure he will be the #1 overall pick or out of the 1st round just based on his skills evaluation... point #2 and #3 are as important as point #1 in my opinion to determine where a QB will be drafted...
1. Measurables / Skills / Intangibles;
2. Competition;
3. Team needs.
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1. A QB that has the size - has a strong arm - is accurate - has a quick delivery - makes quick reads - goes through his progressions without locking up - leads his team - can learn a system swiftly... will be drafted prior to a QB that has less talent even though he might have played all his games against Noone State and none against Michigan...
Scouts will evaluate him during his college games - but they will look at them far more closely during the combine - the workouts they do for respective teams - the interviews... this is where they want to know if their skills will translate to the NFL...
2. If there are more than one or two attractive QBs in the draft... a certain player might fall... we all know that aspect - we do it constantly when drafting our FF teams (tiers / "will he be there after the turn?" / no need to reach - there is 3 equivalent guys before the next dropoff)...
Aaron Rodgers would have been the #1 overall pick if Alex Smith wasn't in the draft...
3. Even though Brady Quinn might be the next superstar in the Titans mind... they surely won't pick him because they drafted Vince Young last year... they will look at other needs and grab the superstar there (theoretically!)...
Case in point - Aaron Rodgers again... why did he fell to the Packers two years ago? No one needed a QB in the 10s...
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All these factors make it very unpredictable as to where Brady Quinn will be drafted... we can agree to disagree on his skills (i.e. Smith or Stanton or Brohm or else will be a better NFL QB)... but we can't say for sure he will be the #1 overall pick or out of the 1st round just based on his skills evaluation... point #2 and #3 are as important as point #1 in my opinion to determine where a QB will be drafted...
eddiezz74
Footballguy
I just rarely hear anyone talking about how tough Auburn and Ohio State's schedules are, but constantly hear how incredibly hard Notre Dame's is. However, if they beat Michigan State, I think they still have a chance to go to the Championship game because I don't see a loss anywhere before the USC game.
