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[TheBradyBunch]

On the Dan Patrick show, one of the NFL Draft gurus said that Oakland made some sort of low-ball offer to Brady Quinn today. Dan was just about to chat more about it when I had to leave.

What the heck's going on here?

 

[PatsWillWin]

Maybe they'd rather have Quinn at X than Russell at X+Y.

 

[FavreCo]

Quinn has stated that his goal has always been to go #1 so of course they fired out a lowball offer hoping he would say yes.

 

[FTRWRTR]

Maybe they'd rather have Quinn at X than Russell at X+Y.

Could be this or could be that they're trying to scare cleveland into making a trade for the top pick. Quinn is from ohio and has said he'd love to play for the browns

 

[dparker713]

Maybe they'd rather have Quinn at X than Russell at X+Y.

Could be this or could be that they're trying to scare cleveland into making a trade for the top pick. Quinn is from ohio and has said he'd love to play for the browns

All indications are that the Browns prefer Russell.

 

[jurb26]

Maybe they'd rather have Quinn at X than Russell at X+Y.

Could be this or could be that they're trying to scare cleveland into making a trade for the top pick. Quinn is from ohio and has said he'd love to play for the browns

Or it could be that they are going to say to Russell's agent: "well Quinn is willing to play for $______ if we take him #1 overall."

 

[Silver & Black]

I have heard some grumblings that Al Davis simply won't pay Russell the giant contract that would accompany his being drafted #1. However, Davis purportedly was enamored with Quinn and respects his desire to go #1, even at a reduced contract.

From what I have gleaned, Oakland may be trying to see what Quinn's mindset is before they trade down and acquire additional picks and still get the guy they want in Quinn.

 

[Colin Dowling]

I have heard some grumblings that Al Davis simply won't pay Russell the giant contract that would accompany his being drafted #1. However, Davis purportedly was enamored with Quinn and respects his desire to go #1, even at a reduced contract. From what I have gleaned, Oakland may be trying to see what Quinn's mindset is before they trade down and acquire additional picks and still get the guy they want in Quinn.

The Browns did the same with Couch / Akili.The 49ers did the same with Smith / Rodgers.This is normal and is often leverage to get the desired player to be reasonable.

 

[enfuego]

The Raiders can offer a contract to the "BIG Three" (Quinn, Russell, and Johnson) and then decide who to pick #1...

Apparently, HC Lane Kiffin and OC Greg Knapp is in favor of taking Quinn & Al Davis likes Russell. Who do you think will win that battle?

 

[TheBradyBunch]

I have heard some grumblings that Al Davis simply won't pay Russell the giant contract that would accompany his being drafted #1. However, Davis purportedly was enamored with Quinn and respects his desire to go #1, even at a reduced contract. From what I have gleaned, Oakland may be trying to see what Quinn's mindset is before they trade down and acquire additional picks and still get the guy they want in Quinn.

The Browns did the same with Couch / Akili.The 49ers did the same with Smith / Rodgers.This is normal and is often leverage to get the desired player to be reasonable.

Notice that in all of your examples that the other player in that equation was also a qb. If the Raiders offer Quinn to get a good deal with Russell, that's still very newsworthy as I think most people feel that CJ will be the first pick.

 

[LHUCKS]

I have heard some grumblings that Al Davis simply won't pay Russell the giant contract that would accompany his being drafted #1. However, Davis purportedly was enamored with Quinn and respects his desire to go #1, even at a reduced contract. From what I have gleaned, Oakland may be trying to see what Quinn's mindset is before they trade down and acquire additional picks and still get the guy they want in Quinn.

The Browns did the same with Couch / Akili.The 49ers did the same with Smith / Rodgers.This is normal and is often leverage to get the desired player to be reasonable.

they want Russell

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Nice analysis at PFT:

RAIDERS LOWBALL QUINNThere's a potentially intriguing story developing at the top end of the draft. On Tuesday, we reported that the Raiders are negotiating with quarterback JaMarcus Russell, receiver Calvin Johnson, and quarterback Brady Quinn at the top of the draft.As we reported roughly an hour ago on an unexpected (but much appreciated) appearance on The Dan Patrick Show, a league source tells us that the Raiders have made a "lowball" offer to Quinn.The question, from Quinn's perspective, is whether the "lowball" is more than the "highball" he'd get at a lower draft position. In the NFL, the players are paid based on the slot in which they are drafted. At the top of round one, the drop from No. 1 to, say, No. 7 is steep.So if Quinn isn't the No. 1 pick and if he ends up being picked by the Vikings at No. 7, the question is whether the Raiders' offer is worth more than what Quinn would get at No. 7. If it is, he should take the Raiders' offer -- especially since being the No. 1 overall pick would enhance (we believe) his off-field earning potential.But there are some problems with this analysis. First, agent Tom Condon would never allow Quinn to take a lowball offer at No. 1, since the magnitude of the Quinn deal would then be used against Condon in future recruiting efforts by agents who would say to the potential client, "Condon got screwed by the Raiders on the Quinn deal."The irony here, as we see it, is that Condon's allegiance to his own interests (if, in the end, his advice to Quinn is to not take the offer) really isn't that much different that Bill Henkel's allegiance to his own interests when he allegedly took a $75,000 kickback from a company that did a deal with his former client LaDainian Tomlinson. In both cases, the agent advances his personal agenda at the direct financial expense of his client. The second problem is that, if Quinn doesn't go No. 1, the key spot for him will be No. 3, where the Browns are believed to be debating whether to take Quinn or running back Adrian Peterson. So if Quinn turns down a "lowball" offer at No. 1, he'll be counting on landing at No. 3, where he'd possibly get paid almost as much via the slotting process as he would get under a "lowball" offer from the Raiders.But Condon's firm, CAA, also represents Peterson. We've previously commented on the potential conflict of interest resulting from this arrangement; if Quinn isn't the guy at No. 1, the conflict at No. 3 comes into much sharper focus.How in the hell does CAA walk that tightrope? An agent's only job at this time of year is to pimp his client. So if Quinn doesn't do a deal with the Raiders at No. 1, then Tom Condon of CAA will be calling the Browns to get them to take Quinn instead of Peterson, while Ben Dogra of CAA is calling the Browns to get them to take Peterson instead of Quinn.The unknown factor in all of this is whether Quinn even wants to play for the Raiders, and whether any misgivings about playing for Oakland override his desire to be the No. 1 overall pick. Still, if Quinn wants to go No. 1 for reasons other than the money, then someone needs to explain to him that the agency representing him has a very real conflict of interest that might be coloring the advice Quinn is getting.Several years ago, Condon withdrew from the representation of Patriots tight end Benjamin Watson because (we heard at the time) Condon didn't want to be associated with a six-year deal for a player taken at the bottom of round one. In this specific case, it could be that Condon's best call is to walk away again. Given the rule imposing a five-day waiting period before a new agent can be signed, however, Quinn would have to finish the Oakland deal without the benefit of an NFLPA-certified agent.We don't know it's going to turn out. However it does, who would have thought that the presumptive No. 1 pick from a year ago at this time would fade from the top spot and then potentially re-emerge at the eleventh hour?

Offer Quinn a lowball for a #1, but higher than he'll get if he's not the #1? Genius!God I LOVE this stuff!!!

 

[GregR_2]

For Quinn's sake I hope this does mean the Raiders want Russell.

I'd like to see Quinn go somewhere he can succeed. Not that Cleveland is necessarily better...

 

[wadegarrett]

Nice analysis at PFT:

RAIDERS LOWBALL QUINNThere's a potentially intriguing story developing at the top end of the draft. On Tuesday, we reported that the Raiders are negotiating with quarterback JaMarcus Russell, receiver Calvin Johnson, and quarterback Brady Quinn at the top of the draft.As we reported roughly an hour ago on an unexpected (but much appreciated) appearance on The Dan Patrick Show, a league source tells us that the Raiders have made a "lowball" offer to Quinn.The question, from Quinn's perspective, is whether the "lowball" is more than the "highball" he'd get at a lower draft position. In the NFL, the players are paid based on the slot in which they are drafted. At the top of round one, the drop from No. 1 to, say, No. 7 is steep.So if Quinn isn't the No. 1 pick and if he ends up being picked by the Vikings at No. 7, the question is whether the Raiders' offer is worth more than what Quinn would get at No. 7. If it is, he should take the Raiders' offer -- especially since being the No. 1 overall pick would enhance (we believe) his off-field earning potential.But there are some problems with this analysis. First, agent Tom Condon would never allow Quinn to take a lowball offer at No. 1, since the magnitude of the Quinn deal would then be used against Condon in future recruiting efforts by agents who would say to the potential client, "Condon got screwed by the Raiders on the Quinn deal."The irony here, as we see it, is that Condon's allegiance to his own interests (if, in the end, his advice to Quinn is to not take the offer) really isn't that much different that Bill Henkel's allegiance to his own interests when he allegedly took a $75,000 kickback from a company that did a deal with his former client LaDainian Tomlinson. In both cases, the agent advances his personal agenda at the direct financial expense of his client. The second problem is that, if Quinn doesn't go No. 1, the key spot for him will be No. 3, where the Browns are believed to be debating whether to take Quinn or running back Adrian Peterson. So if Quinn turns down a "lowball" offer at No. 1, he'll be counting on landing at No. 3, where he'd possibly get paid almost as much via the slotting process as he would get under a "lowball" offer from the Raiders.But Condon's firm, CAA, also represents Peterson. We've previously commented on the potential conflict of interest resulting from this arrangement; if Quinn isn't the guy at No. 1, the conflict at No. 3 comes into much sharper focus.How in the hell does CAA walk that tightrope? An agent's only job at this time of year is to pimp his client. So if Quinn doesn't do a deal with the Raiders at No. 1, then Tom Condon of CAA will be calling the Browns to get them to take Quinn instead of Peterson, while Ben Dogra of CAA is calling the Browns to get them to take Peterson instead of Quinn.The unknown factor in all of this is whether Quinn even wants to play for the Raiders, and whether any misgivings about playing for Oakland override his desire to be the No. 1 overall pick. Still, if Quinn wants to go No. 1 for reasons other than the money, then someone needs to explain to him that the agency representing him has a very real conflict of interest that might be coloring the advice Quinn is getting.Several years ago, Condon withdrew from the representation of Patriots tight end Benjamin Watson because (we heard at the time) Condon didn't want to be associated with a six-year deal for a player taken at the bottom of round one. In this specific case, it could be that Condon's best call is to walk away again. Given the rule imposing a five-day waiting period before a new agent can be signed, however, Quinn would have to finish the Oakland deal without the benefit of an NFLPA-certified agent.We don't know it's going to turn out. However it does, who would have thought that the presumptive No. 1 pick from a year ago at this time would fade from the top spot and then potentially re-emerge at the eleventh hour?

Offer Quinn a lowball for a #1, but higher than he'll get if he's not the #1? Genius!God I LOVE this stuff!!!

 

[massraider]

The Raiders can offer a contract to the "BIG Three" (Quinn, Russell, and Johnson) and then decide who to pick #1...

Apparently, HC Lane Kiffin and OC Greg Knapp is in favor of taking Quinn & Al Davis likes Russell. Who do you think will win that battle?

There's nothing apparent about it. A local reporter mentioned this in his blog:An NFL source tells me the belief is the Raiders haven't made their mind up regarding the top pick. Kiffin, the source said, is in the Quinn camp.

The fact is, any outside source could be passing along bad information because he may have been given bad information on purpose.

http://www.ibabuzz.com/raidersblog/

So, an NFL source said that "the belief" is, not even that "he heard".

Cripes that's not even a rumor, that's speculation.

 

[Velcro]

Isn't this what happened last year? Houston signed Mario Williams for a "discount" to what Bush was reportedly demanding.

 

[Demons]

Darth Raider Davis is chuckling at the confusion he is sowing. He is screwing with everyone for the sheer enjoyment.

I think that he would be thrilled to show-up Adam Shefter, Gruden, Denver and anyone else that wants the best prospect in the draft. Sow the disinformation and then turn around and take the guy he intended to all along.

Quinn has no chance to be the #1. Not if Oakland stays at the top.

Darth Raider Davis is taking Johnson, or getting a fortune to move down several spots. He won't even move down that far. Tampa Bay, Atlanta or Washington are the only teams that have the picks or the stupidity to pay Darth Davis for Johnson. Atlanta is the only team that has the firepower and the real need for Johnson to make it a smart move.

Too much fun watching Darth Davis work the force.

 

[Enraged Nerfball]

Darth Raider Davis is chuckling at the confusion he is sowing. He is screwing with everyone for the sheer enjoyment.I think that he would be thrilled to show-up Adam Shefter, Gruden, Denver and anyone else that wants the best prospect in the draft. Sow the disinformation and then turn around and take the guy he intended to all along.Quinn has no chance to be the #1. Not if Oakland stays at the top.Darth Raider Davis is taking Johnson, or getting a fortune to move down several spots. He won't even move down that far. Tampa Bay, Atlanta or Washington are the only teams that have the picks or the stupidity to pay Darth Davis for Johnson. Atlanta is the only team that has the firepower and the real need for Johnson to make it a smart move.Too much fun watching Darth Davis work the force.

Maybe he could use some of that force to pick/sign some decent players and coaches instead of playing jedi mind tricks about who he might or might not pick.

 

[Kit Fisto]

I have heard some grumblings that Al Davis simply won't pay Russell the giant contract that would accompany his being drafted #1. However, Davis purportedly was enamored with Quinn and respects his desire to go #1, even at a reduced contract. From what I have gleaned, Oakland may be trying to see what Quinn's mindset is before they trade down and acquire additional picks and still get the guy they want in Quinn.

The Browns did the same with Couch / Akili.The 49ers did the same with Smith / Rodgers.This is normal and is often leverage to get the desired player to be reasonable.

Happens every year.

 

[cstu]

Isn't this what happened last year? Houston signed Mario Williams for a "discount" to what Bush was reportedly demanding.

 

[Workhorse]

Darth Raider Davis is chuckling at the confusion he is sowing. He is screwing with everyone for the sheer enjoyment.I think that he would be thrilled to show-up Adam Shefter, Gruden, Denver and anyone else that wants the best prospect in the draft. Sow the disinformation and then turn around and take the guy he intended to all along.Quinn has no chance to be the #1. Not if Oakland stays at the top.Darth Raider Davis is taking Johnson, or getting a fortune to move down several spots. He won't even move down that far. Tampa Bay, Atlanta or Washington are the only teams that have the picks or the stupidity to pay Darth Davis for Johnson. Atlanta is the only team that has the firepower and the real need for Johnson to make it a smart move.Too much fun watching Darth Davis work the force.

Yeah, Al Davis is a real puppetmaster of the NFL...

 

[TheFanatic]

Isn't this what happened last year? Houston signed Mario Williams for a "discount" to what Bush was reportedly demanding.

Pretty much. Russel better hope his agent learned from that because it cost Bush some serious jack and if the agent tries to play hardball a little too much he's going to cost his player the #1 spot.Then again, the team may want to take a look at how well the discounted player turned out for Houston.

 

[dparker713]

Isn't this what happened last year? Houston signed Mario Williams for a "discount" to what Bush was reportedly demanding.

Thats not at all true. The Texans signed Williams to a six-year, $54 million contract, with $26.5 million guaranteed. That deal was for more total and guarenteed money than they ever offered Bush. And its not like his dropping to 2 cost him much money. He signed a 6-year, $51 milllion contract, with $26.2 million guaranteed.

 

[cstu]

Isn't this what happened last year? Houston signed Mario Williams for a "discount" to what Bush was reportedly demanding.

Thats not at all true. The Texans signed Williams to a six-year, $54 million contract, with $26.5 million guaranteed. That deal was for more total and guarenteed money than they ever offered Bush. And its not like his dropping to 2 cost him much money. He signed a 6-year, $51 milllion contract, with $26.2 million guaranteed.

He wanted at least $30M guaranteed if he were the #1 pick.

 

[dparker713]

Isn't this what happened last year? Houston signed Mario Williams for a "discount" to what Bush was reportedly demanding.

Thats not at all true. The Texans signed Williams to a six-year, $54 million contract, with $26.5 million guaranteed. That deal was for more total and guarenteed money than they ever offered Bush. And its not like his dropping to 2 cost him much money. He signed a 6-year, $51 milllion contract, with $26.2 million guaranteed.

He wanted at least $30M guaranteed if he were the #1 pick.

They stopped negotiating on Wednesday, they signed Williams on Friday. They never offered him the deal that Williams signed. And he was willing to take 28 million, maybe less.

On Monday, Casserly, Kubiak, the scouts and the coaching staff meet to discuss the choice. The coaches are split, but seven of 10 scouts would take Bush. Negotiator Danny Ferens reports he is making significant progress with Segal, but Dogra still is not enthusiastic. On Tuesday, Casserly calls McNair and tells him he would select Williams. The owner wants to think about it. On Wednesday, the Bush camp embraces a six-year, $54 million contract but wants $28 million guaranteed; the Texans offer $26 million. Dogra also wants $28 million guaranteed. On the same day, Kubiak and Casserly decide on Williams. Both agree their defense has greater need. McNair is flying to New York; they will seek his OK in the morning.

Sporting News

Williams was not the number 1 pick because of money. McNair has not been a cheap owner, despite what the product on the field may suggest.

 

[GregR_2]

Isn't this what happened last year? Houston signed Mario Williams for a "discount" to what Bush was reportedly demanding.

Pretty much. Russel better hope his agent learned from that because it cost Bush some serious jack and if the agent tries to play hardball a little too much he's going to cost his player the #1 spot.Then again, the team may want to take a look at how well the discounted player turned out for Houston.

I'm so sick of people doing this.