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Brain Schottenheimer OUT as Jets OC (1 Viewer)

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Leaving "of his own accord" according to Mort et al on twitter...

Ha, yeah sure...

Rumor is Sparano will be hired as OC...

Anything is better...

Good riddance Brian

 
So what if he does end up as the OC in Tampa Bay. Dang it I just traded Flacco to get Freeman in Dynasty. Am I screwed if Schottenheimer is the OC in Tampa?? :rolleyes:

 
Funny how a HC who recently got fired is all but hired as the NYJ OC. Apparently, Schotty Jr is that bad and I dont disagree.

If only someone could take Bruce Arians off the Steelers hands :kicksrock:

 
'Kenny Powers said:
Funny how a HC who recently got fired is all but hired as the NYJ OC. Apparently, Schotty Jr is that bad and I dont disagree.If only someone could take Bruce Arians off the Steelers hands :kicksrock:
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Well, a bad HC can be a good coordinator. (didn't Wade Phillips do very well in Houston this year running the D?)Pretty hysterical how they actually think we're going to believe that his loser resigned. They let him keep his job until it was clear nobody was going to be fooled into hiring them. Now that that pipe dream is over, the Jets will just eat the 3.2 mil and kick his ### out the door.Best news of the new year so far for me. I've been calling for this for 2 and a half years.
 
Jets offense to go from boring to even more boring with Tony boy in charge. Jets FG kicker moves up the list.

 
I think Brian got a lot of deserved flak for not being creative enough on offense, but certainly more ingenuity than the old Paul Hackett days.

Still, I think Sanchez and the rest of the offense is as much to blame for the woes on that side of the ball as Brian is. At the end of the day, a change - if only for change's sake - is certainly needed.

 
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'zamboni said:
I think Brian got a lot of deserved flak for not being creative enough on offense, but certainly more ingenuity than the old Paul Hackett days.Still, I think Sanchez and the rest of the offense is as much to blame for the woes on that side of the ball as Brian is. At the end of the day, a change - if only for change's sake - is certainly needed.
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In the past, I criticized him for being too conservative at times (last year's Baltimore game was a clear example of this). But in the past year and a half, its really been more about him.... A) trying to be too "Cute" with his play calling (lots of unnecessary motion, trick plays in bad situations, etc) B) Never adjusting in the middle of the game until it was far too late (One game this year, they had like 3 end-arounds work in the first half and ended up running it like 15 times in the 2nd half for practically nothing) C) Passing TOO much (I honestly think there was a good part of the year where he was calling plays like he was auditioning for a HC job (LOOK AT ME!!! I CAN RUN A HIGH POWERED OFFENSE!!!) rather than coaching for the Jets to winThere were numerous occasions where the game plans stunk and they never adjusted. Part of this is absolutely on Rex, but Schotty absolutely had to go. He's awful and would have been gone 3 years ago if his last name was Smith.
 
The primary issue with the jets, imho, is personnel. Specifically, the willingness to hire (and defend, via Rex) malcontents because of atheletic ability.

Holmes and Burress are poster children for how NOT to build an organization of professional atheletes.

This smells like a 3 to 5 year problem in the absence of roster re-build. Translation: if they jets had cut holmes the day the season had ended, or before that, I would have more confidence that the front office has its finger on the pulse of what's wrong in NY.

 
'Yenrub said:
Does Sparano have previous experience as an OC?
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He's mostly been an Oline coach.He was the offensive play-caller for Dallas in 2006, but ceded the responsibilities to new offensive coordinator Jason Garrett the following season.
 
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'SeniorVBDStudent said:
The primary issue with the jets, imho, is personnel. Specifically, the willingness to hire (and defend, via Rex) malcontents because of atheletic ability.Holmes and Burress are poster children for how NOT to build an organization of professional atheletes.This smells like a 3 to 5 year problem in the absence of roster re-build. Translation: if they jets had cut holmes the day the season had ended, or before that, I would have more confidence that the front office has its finger on the pulse of what's wrong in NY.
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Holmes is uncuttable right now. Zero cap savings. It would be like 8 million in dead money
 
'TLEF316 said:
'zamboni said:
I think Brian got a lot of deserved flak for not being creative enough on offense, but certainly more ingenuity than the old Paul Hackett days.

Still, I think Sanchez and the rest of the offense is as much to blame for the woes on that side of the ball as Brian is. At the end of the day, a change - if only for change's sake - is certainly needed.
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In the past, I criticized him for being too conservative at times (last year's Baltimore game was a clear example of this). But in the past year and a half, its really been more about him....A) trying to be too "Cute" with his play calling (lots of unnecessary motion, trick plays in bad situations, etc)

B) Never adjusting in the middle of the game until it was far too late (One game this year, they had like 3 end-arounds work in the first half and ended up running it like 15 times in the 2nd half for practically nothing)

C) Passing TOO much (I honestly think there was a good part of the year where he was calling plays like he was auditioning for a HC job (LOOK AT ME!!! I CAN RUN A HIGH POWERED OFFENSE!!!) rather than coaching for the Jets to win

There were numerous occasions where the game plans stunk and they never adjusted. Part of this is absolutely on Rex, but Schotty absolutely had to go. He's awful and would have been gone 3 years ago if his last name was Smith.
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I agree with what you are saying, but as you say, a lot of this is on Rex himself. If he didn't like the offensive game plan, he should have told Brian. You can tell by Rex's year-end comments (a lot of "I don't knows") that he didn't have much of a pulse of the offensive scheme. He's really just a defensive coordinator in a head coach's role.ETA: we'd all like to blame Brian the most, but it's not entirely his fault that Sanchez has happy feet, locks into receivers, and often has poor accuracy. What they need is to bring in an OC that has done well with young QBs.

 
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http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/01/11/unnamed-jets-sources-say-they-want-peyton-not-sanchez/

This really made me lose a lot of confidence in Sanchez ever being able to rebound from this season. Of course you never want to see a young QB regress the way he did in year 3, but hearing players talk to Mehta about their lack of confidence in him, his lack of confidence in himself, and his complacency hammers home the point that he probably doesn't belong as a starting QB for a New York team. I'd very quickly jump on the "Go get Manning" bandwagon, but how can you possibly justify locking up that much money into 1 position when the team has far too many holes and issues in other spots, and is seemingly wayyyy more than a QB away from Super Bowl contention?

 
'TLEF316 said:
'zamboni said:
I think Brian got a lot of deserved flak for not being creative enough on offense, but certainly more ingenuity than the old Paul Hackett days.Still, I think Sanchez and the rest of the offense is as much to blame for the woes on that side of the ball as Brian is. At the end of the day, a change - if only for change's sake - is certainly needed.
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In the past, I criticized him for being too conservative at times (last year's Baltimore game was a clear example of this). But in the past year and a half, its really been more about him.... A) trying to be too "Cute" with his play calling (lots of unnecessary motion, trick plays in bad situations, etc) B) Never adjusting in the middle of the game until it was far too late (One game this year, they had like 3 end-arounds work in the first half and ended up running it like 15 times in the 2nd half for practically nothing) C) Passing TOO much (I honestly think there was a good part of the year where he was calling plays like he was auditioning for a HC job (LOOK AT ME!!! I CAN RUN A HIGH POWERED OFFENSE!!!) rather than coaching for the Jets to winThere were numerous occasions where the game plans stunk and they never adjusted. Part of this is absolutely on Rex, but Schotty absolutely had to go. He's awful and would have been gone 3 years ago if his last name was Smith.
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:goodposting: Schotty thought he could outsmart defenses at times and went away from what the offense was actually good at...So many times the Jets would play a team with injuries or an obvious weak spot at some position and NEVER attack it... On the other side, the Patriots Mid Game could see Revis or 'X' player limping and they ATTACK Immediately...I like the Sparano Hire - And the reason is this - Hiring a person as a Head Coach is a crapshoot at times cuz being a HC is a different animal and the person needs to wear many hats and be a psychologist and media whiz all at once.. You need to be a Football Guy and then take on roles that you really see for the 1st time in your career. But, I'll say this, and I don't Agree with Parcells on a lot of issues BUT, if he hand picked Sparano to be HC, then I'll bet my house that Sparano KNOWS THE GAME OF FOOTBALL..... He's no Brain Dabol who was the Jets Ball Washer then Cleveland QB coach before being Miami's OC.New Orleans wanted Sparano for their OC but was blocked By Parcells...From reading, it also sounds like Sparano will scrap the Zone Blocking OL system that seemed to really foul up the Jets development as well as finding players to fill in.. Now Maybe Ducasse takes off and can think less and maul more. And hopefully those OL penalties are a thing of the past.Jets offense should be - Pound the ball and play action.. And then Know when to take a shot downfield which Shotty was clueless on - I can remember a few of times Henne pulled the trigger Vs the Jets in the perfect scenarios and beat them over the top.I'm happy :banned: I'm usually against hires where I question their Football X's and O's like a Herm Edwards or Brian Dabol - I know this guy knows FOOTBALL!
 
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'sheerterror said:
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/01/11/unnamed-jets-sources-say-they-want-peyton-not-sanchez/

This really made me lose a lot of confidence in Sanchez ever being able to rebound from this season. Of course you never want to see a young QB regress the way he did in year 3, but hearing players talk to Mehta about their lack of confidence in him, his lack of confidence in himself, and his complacency hammers home the point that he probably doesn't belong as a starting QB for a New York team. I'd very quickly jump on the "Go get Manning" bandwagon, but how can you possibly justify locking up that much money into 1 position when the team has far too many holes and issues in other spots, and is seemingly wayyyy more than a QB away from Super Bowl contention?
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Meh..

1) Honestly, if you talk to offensive players on over 2/3 of the league and asked them if they would want to instead play with PEYTON FREAKING MANNING Healthy.... How could you not?

For an offensive player, it must be an absolute dream to be part of an offense with him.

2) I always have to say this 1st but, I Never wanted Sanchez drafted and have been down on him as anyone but, tell me this.... WHAT HAS IMPROVED AROUND SANCHEZ IN HIS 3 YEARS IN NY...... NOTHING! Defense, Run Game, Offensive Line, Wide Recievers, are all significantly worse...

We all knew and know what Sanchez NEEDS to be successful - So, What did he get? NOTHING......

FACT IS SANCHEZ IS NOT GOING ANYWHERE THIS YEAR.....

As for the babying stuff, that's going to come to a head real fast now.... And regardless, the baby time is always over in year 4... Pretty obvious he'll have stiff competetion and his Clock is ticking - You don't think He knows that????

I take more from this statement:

“Everybody got down on the quarterback,” one Jets source said. “But they weren’t looking at the situations we were putting him in. I don’t think he’s as bad as people are making him out to be. When the [sh-t] started snowballing and he lost confidence, he never recovered. Then, you saw him making one stupid throw and one stupid mistake after another.”

#### Snow Balled - Now get him proper protection - Call the Game MUCH better, Cut Penalties and catch the ball then play Top 5 Defense like you're supposed to. REX!!!!

Do that and just maybe you win 1 more game and it's back to last year with a punchers chance in a Championship Game, on top of the world instead of OMG EVERYTHING BLOWS FIRE EVERYONE THE SHIP IS SINKING!!!!111@233

LOL.. What a fine line between last year beating Indy and the Pats in their own building and hosting parties,..... to percieved disaster people try to make this... Makes me laugh... Jets fan have seen much worse than this, the media and rivals can't scare us with 8-8 being the end of the world..... :banned:

 
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OH.......

And yeah, if the Jets could somehow get Peyton Manning and he's healthy, I'm 100% on that bandwagon....

Like the player in that interview - how could you not want Peyton Manning??????

And Like the player, I don't think that has a lot to do with your opinion of Mark Sanchez other than thinking he won't be one of the ALL-TIME great QB's of the NFL.

 
Former Jet Greg Buttle is a meathead, but one solid point he always makes on the Jet pregame radio shows is that playcalling is over-rated - it bascially comes down to execution. I hated the fact that Shotty never took chances downfield, but I'm really not sure he is 100% responsible for the Jet's offense not being that effective. When your QB is woefully inaccurate, goes to his checkdowns way too fast and makes some real head scratching decisions with the football there isn't much that can be done.

With that said some one had to be the fall guy and I'm not at all uspet it was Shotty Jr. Sporane's offense may be boring, but frankly it will be the only type of offense the Jets can run and win. Hopefully the o-line picks it up a bit and Greene and McKnight are effective running the ball.

 
As a Pats fan, I'm rooting for Haley to join the Jets staff. Haley, Sparano and Rex? Sounds deliciously combustible.

 
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'Dr. Octopus said:
'Kree said:
Now who're Jets fans going to blame if/when Shanchize plays terribly?Good call by the FO.
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Personally I'll blame Sanchez, like I do now.
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Well, yeah.It's year Four.... I think for any NFL Qb year four is the year to take over or hit the road. It will be time for the Jets to think about a new contract for Sanchez as well.....It's no great secret to Sanchez that his ### is completely on the line this season. And for all the negatives I have about him, I'm damn sure he's going to work his tail off this Offseason and give it all he's got......hey...Maybe this means Henne comes here.. Funny but, I usually give young QB's time to develop and I've been on the Henne bandagon more than many Fin fans - Wouldn't be a bad back up / competition.
 
Now that's how you fix your offensive problems ... Hire the guy that lead the Dolphins offensive juggernaut

2011 - 20th in scoring , 22nd Total yards, 3rd most sacks allowed

2010 - 30th in scoring , 21st Total Yards, 12th most sacks allowed

 
'qimqam said:
Now that's how you fix your offensive problems ... Hire the guy that lead the Dolphins offensive juggernaut 2011 - 20th in scoring , 22nd Total yards, 3rd most sacks allowed 2010 - 30th in scoring , 21st Total Yards, 12th most sacks allowed
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Well, that was with Brian "Ball Washer" Dabol calling plays :Snicker:and the starting QB going down.I personally like the idea of guys with HC experience dropping back down to concentrate on one aspect of the game over hiring some other teams' ball washer hoping he can take over a system.
 
I just read this on Twitter.

@RichCimini

Rich Cimini Schottenheimer won't join dad if TB hires Marty, according to @AdamSchefter. Schotty has told friends he will consider college jobs. #Jets

(As a Josh Freeman Dynasty owner I was a little worried about this.) :o

 
'jacobo_moses said:
I just read this on Twitter. @RichCimini Rich Cimini Schottenheimer won't join dad if TB hires Marty, according to @AdamSchefter. Schotty has told friends he will consider college jobs. #Jets(As a Josh Freeman Dynasty owner I was a little worried about this.) :o
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You should be more worried about Marty - he doesn't like the ball thrown around all that much.
 
'zamboni said:
I think Brian got a lot of deserved flak for not being creative enough on offense, but certainly more ingenuity than the old Paul Hackett days.Still, I think Sanchez and the rest of the offense is as much to blame for the woes on that side of the ball as Brian is. At the end of the day, a change - if only for change's sake - is certainly needed.
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Judging from the sports talk of the time, few OCs were hated more than Hackett.
 
'zamboni said:
I think Brian got a lot of deserved flak for not being creative enough on offense, but certainly more ingenuity than the old Paul Hackett days.Still, I think Sanchez and the rest of the offense is as much to blame for the woes on that side of the ball as Brian is. At the end of the day, a change - if only for change's sake - is certainly needed.
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Post of the thread IMO
 
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