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Banger
Footballguy
I think he has a nice upside this year where he's being drafted. He's the type of player I target each year, very talented, underrated situation, coming off a down year and cheap ADP. They are going to be behind in the 2nd half nearly every week and their #1B target, Winslow, is no longer there so whenever they need a play they are going to look Edwards way.
bostonfred
Footballguy
He's either the bottom of the third tier or the top of the fourth tier. The problem is that there are very few fourth tier guys that I would want to start every week. As of this point in the season, I think I'd be OK starting him every week, so I guess I'd put him in the third tier. FWIW, the fourth tier is the Santana Moss/DeSean Jackson/Lance Moore guys - you might have your personal favorites in that group, but most of them are easily replacable in your lineup if you have a hot receiver or the right matchup.
saintfool
Dead sexy
Cribbs, i think. furrey is a slot WR.
I see your point about the fact "he can't catch", but if you look at the drop stats for WRs last year (and given, Baylon is the "headliner"), you will find a virtual all-star team of WRs. Here are the top 8 or so:EdwardsBoweMarshallColesMarshawn LynchMarcedes LewisDallas ClarkAnthony GonzalezHines WardNot really what you were expecting...you take Lewis off that list and you have about every "sexy pick" out there this year based on ADP. If Marshall got his head out of his tail and you told me drafting I could end up with Clark as my TE with a WR corp of Edwards, Bowe, Marshall, Coles and Gonzalez, I would be pretty happy.The dropped stat does not account for # of targets...notice a guy like Brad Smith is not on the list because he was only targeted maybe 10 times last year...the more targets you get, the more chance you have of dropping it. Until a league penalizes for dropped passes, I am cool if my guy is targeted 150 time and drops 15, versus being targeted 95 times and dropping 5...an incompletion is an incompletion. Also, a guy has to be pretty good to keep getting targeted if he keeps dropping the ball and unless we analyze each and every "drop", how do we know if the guy was in the end zone all alone and dropped it, versus being in traffic and having it bounce off his numbers?Personally, I like the fact they keep going to him. Plus, although there are a lot of Mangini haters out there, he did help Thomas Jones produce his best numbers ever AND had a rookie TE put up great #s AND had two top 25 WRs to boot (albiet they were probably #24 and #25).
Gr00vus
Footballguy
Edwards did exactly this a game back. I believe that's a bit of a calling card for him. I'm sure there are other ex-Braylon owners on here who can share their stories...
joffer
Footballguy
that's why i like him.
Furrey is 10 times the receiver Cribbs will ever be. He has the most reliable hands on that team.
I won't deny it because, I really don't know, but the fact that he got 16TDs just a couple of years ago attests to the fact he is a stud. I was actually going to post a few days ago about WRs that caught 16+ TDs since the merger (there are very few) and off the top of my head besides Mush Muhammad (and we love the Mush here in NC) and Sterling Sharpe (who was out of football after his 16+ TD season), all of the rest scored at least 10+ TDs in 3 or more seasons after they got their 16 + TD season. You can argue that the sample size is small (and it is), but the fact that he even got to 16 TDs speaks volumes about his talent.I have Edwards man-love (to the point when I missed him by two picks in my draft this weekend I went into a tail spin), but I also know talent when I see it. Take this: Mangini had two cancers on his team and chose to move Winslow (a top 5 TE) versus Edwards. Again, you can accuse Mangini of a lot of things, but he is not dumb.
the spanker
Footballguy
But Cribbs is playing the #2 and is a KR/PR STUD which some leagues that gives pts for return yards makes him GOLD.
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My concern with looking at '07 numbers is that the drops are in his head now. I had him in '07 and '08, and he was a completely different guy. Every drop in Cleveland creates a round of groans in the stands, and I think he hears it. He hears it from his coaches and teammates too. I just don't know that he's going to get better, and I've stayed away from him.
pollardsvision
Footballguy
Count me on the Braylon train.
I'm not betting the farm on it because I don't have to. He's going at a spot where if he busts (and does what he did last season), it doesn't hurt you that much. If the drops are overblown, he can win your league for you.
I owned him last year too. It was really frustrating watching him drop passes. I'm willing to buy again, at a far reduced price.
He has the talent. He gets open. He has 2 capable QBs on the roster to get him the ball. The team will need to throw the ball alot. The biggest competition for catches is Mike Furrey. You can draft him as your 3rd WR. Sign me up.
I'm not betting the farm on it because I don't have to. He's going at a spot where if he busts (and does what he did last season), it doesn't hurt you that much. If the drops are overblown, he can win your league for you.
I owned him last year too. It was really frustrating watching him drop passes. I'm willing to buy again, at a far reduced price.
He has the talent. He gets open. He has 2 capable QBs on the roster to get him the ball. The team will need to throw the ball alot. The biggest competition for catches is Mike Furrey. You can draft him as your 3rd WR. Sign me up.
Duke1948
Footballguy
not sure how that happened.....his adp has got to be mid 4th
Bobcat10
Footballguy
Early 5th as of about a week ago.Plus, alot of people are going 3 WR with the first 4 draft picks. Can easily have Edwards as #3 in this situation.
pollardsvision
Footballguy
Some places have him in the early 5th, so it's certainly reasonable to see him falling later in the 5th and possibly 6th. 5th round WRs are often taken to be 3rd WRs.
Manster
Footballguy
got him pretty cheap in a 12 teamer. i liked what i saw in the last preseason game.imo, Braylon's problem is in his head. his confidence was shot last year, and it spiraled down.IF Braylon can get out of his slump, he has a ton of upside for where he's being drafted.im buyin
steelcityman
Footballguy
as soon as that DH Coach up there declares BQ the QB, Edwards will settle in with his QB and will put up nice numbers. Clev will throw a lot, unless Mangini needs to prove to someone they can run while losing by 20 pts, so Edwards could have 80+ recs, 1100, 8 TDs.
Abstract
Footballguy
I had the 9th pick in a 12 team league, serpentine draft, I got him at:5.09
I had the 11th pick in this draft and got him at:
5.11
DevilDog919
Footballguy
I got him at 5.01 in my redraft yesterday as my WR4 flex starter behind Calvin, Wayne, and OchoCinco!
So yes, you could get him as your WR3 easily...
To the point of this post. Someone has to CATCH the ball is just right. I think most of it is mental though, he isn't mentally tough. I watched his 16 TD season almost every game, live in the area and almost every week CLE games are on...and most vote to watch the local game. He made some AMAZING catches that season and didn't drop many. He made catches that made my eyes open wide. Then last season he stunk it up. I really don't think his hands are so bad, but once he drops one he starts worrying and can't handle the pressure imo. Hoping he corrects the mental issues this season.
So yes, you could get him as your WR3 easily...
To the point of this post. Someone has to CATCH the ball is just right. I think most of it is mental though, he isn't mentally tough. I watched his 16 TD season almost every game, live in the area and almost every week CLE games are on...and most vote to watch the local game. He made some AMAZING catches that season and didn't drop many. He made catches that made my eyes open wide. Then last season he stunk it up. I really don't think his hands are so bad, but once he drops one he starts worrying and can't handle the pressure imo. Hoping he corrects the mental issues this season.
amnesiac
beer is good
i don't think the depth chart is official yet.i wouldn't be suprised if Furrey leads the team in receptions.
TheFanatic
Footballguy
I like him a lot this year. Playing for a contract (with the Browns or otherwise), no Winslow, sub par D means lots of passes, only competition is rookies and journeymen. He carried me to a SB in 2007, and wrecked my season in 2008. Traded him partway through last year for DeSean Jackson and a pick. I just traded back for him as a WR3 behind S. Smith and Royal, and honestly, I think he could be ahead of Royal this year....
Bobcat10
Footballguy
He had a ridiculous one handed catch in the end zone this past weekend, but was ruled OOB. He's always had a flare for those "impossible" type catches, just drops alot that he should catch easily. I think he is well on his way to producing WR2 numbers out of alot of teams WR3 slot.I got him at 5.01 in my redraft yesterday as my WR4 flex starter behind Calvin, Wayne, and OchoCinco!So yes, you could get him as your WR3 easily...To the point of this post. Someone has to CATCH the ball is just right. I think most of it is mental though, he isn't mentally tough. I watched his 16 TD season almost every game, live in the area and almost every week CLE games are on...and most vote to watch the local game. He made some AMAZING catches that season and didn't drop many. He made catches that made my eyes open wide. Then last season he stunk it up. I really don't think his hands are so bad, but once he drops one he starts worrying and can't handle the pressure imo. Hoping he corrects the mental issues this season.
I think I agree with you on this one. I am in a 16 team, 3 man keeper league and I had to make a choice between him and Roy Williams. I think I made the right choice. Thanks for all the comments!!!
If I didnt know better I would think you are an alias of mine. Same story here. Disapoinment at wr 1 for me last year. At wr 3 there is NO ONE with more upside as far as I know so I took him again. Somebody has to catch balls on a bad team with a poor starting rb and even if he leads the league in drops again, as a 3rd wr he will catch enough of them to make him valuable. (I think furrey might be worth a roster spot as well as a backup)
massraider
Footballguy
Well, great, but for those of us that don't want to take our RB2 at the end of the 6th.....I got him at 5.01 in my redraft yesterday as my WR4 flex starter behind Calvin, Wayne, and OchoCinco!
So yes, you could get him as your WR3 easily...
notdarkyet
Footballguy
Do not want. The Browns entire situation looks ugly to me. He has the aforementioned "dropsies", and has pretty much always exhibited that issue. He'll make an amazing catch one minute and then drop 4 that should always be caught. I dont think the offense has enough upside for him to be a real breakout type of threat for FF purposes. That said, with where he can be drafted, you dont need him to be an all pro, there is some value there.
massraider
Footballguy
And it needs to be said, it seems like Quinn wins the job. Seems like Anderson is more likely to put it in Braylon's hands.
Banger
Footballguy
I don't agree with that. I think Quinn will be the more accurate QB.
Archie Bunker
Footballguy
You may be entirely right, but reading this thread reminds me of 2007. In 2007, everyone wrote off Cleveland from a FF perspective. No running game, no QB, etc. Everyone figured it would be ugly and Anderson & Edwards had monster FF years, nearly getting the Browns to the playoffs. Last year, the Browns were overhyped and they #### the bed. Can 2009 be a replay of 2007? I don't know but I do know Edwards is an exceptional talent and should put up good numbers, even with a lot of drops. He has the physical skills to get open and out position smaller DBs. Call me an optimist, but I think he will continue to improve catching the ball.
massraider
Footballguy
Well, he'll have a higher completion percentage. Throws within 8 yards of the line of scrimmage tend to do that. But if you are looking for yards and TDs, I would think Anderson is the guy.
California
Footballguy
I caught highlights of the last preseason game (I know, preseason) but Edwards had a good game. Caught a 20 yard TD (from Quinn) and on the play earlier, made a one handed circus catch in the end zone but could only get one foot in. This reminded me (briefly) of 2007.
This may have been a blip and he may still have hands of stone. I wouldn't hesitate at all to take him as my #3WR with a ton of upside.
http://www.nfl.com/videos/cleveland-browns...uinn-highlights
This may have been a blip and he may still have hands of stone. I wouldn't hesitate at all to take him as my #3WR with a ton of upside.
http://www.nfl.com/videos/cleveland-browns...uinn-highlights
Banger
Footballguy
massraider
Footballguy
I thought they both looked decent. I'd give the job to Quinn, and I am not a big believer in him. But their different styles were apparent in the game. Anderson threw it downfield.
Tigerbot Hesh
Footballguy
DevilDog919
Footballguy
Not trying to get completely off track, but I got Portis at 4.12 and Lynch at 6.12...also cuffed them both with Jackson/Betts respectively towards the end of the draft. So I've got my 2 starting RB's and cuffed them, also drafted Mendenhall/Maroney/and James Davis as upside picks. Going WR heavy early this year is the way to go.Well, great, but for those of us that don't want to take our RB2 at the end of the 6th.....I got him at 5.01 in my redraft yesterday as my WR4 flex starter behind Calvin, Wayne, and OchoCinco!
So yes, you could get him as your WR3 easily...
Portis/BettsLynch/Jackson
Calvin
Wayne
OchoCinco
Braylon
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Sebowski
Footballguy
Let's not talk about free public leagues. This adds nothing to people who have real drafts in real leagues.DevilDog919 said:Not trying to get completely off track, but I got Portis at 4.12 and Lynch at 6.12...also cuffed them both with Jackson/Betts respectively towards the end of the draft. So I've got my 2 starting RB's and cuffed them, also drafted Mendenhall/Maroney/and James Davis as upside picks. Going WR heavy early this year is the way to go.massraider said:Well, great, but for those of us that don't want to take our RB2 at the end of the 6th.....DevilDog919 said:I got him at 5.01 in my redraft yesterday as my WR4 flex starter behind Calvin, Wayne, and OchoCinco!
So yes, you could get him as your WR3 easily...Portis/Betts
Lynch/Jackson
Calvin
Wayne
OchoCinco
Braylon
CHAMPIONSHIP
JamesTheScot
Footballguy
That's my take as well. I'd even be nervous if he was my WR2 unless I had a few upside guys right behind him.Simple fact is we have no good answer for why he was so good in 2007 but so bad, relative to 2007, in 2008.I like him as a WR3 if you can get him for that.Native said:
Heep
Footballguy
900? He had what was considered a terrible year last year and racked up 877 yards. I think hes good for at least 1100 and 6 tds, both improvements over last years 877 and 3. But I think he makes an even bigger leap back to a true WR1 numbers. I think people passing on him will be very mad they did. If you get him as your WR3, Id be thinking Championship if you manage to pick two top 12 WRs to pair with him.Abstract said:
