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Breakdown of 2nd rd. WRs from 1999 to 2008 (1 Viewer)

Bracie Smathers

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Nice draft article cram packed with information that would interest any draft aficianado.

We get too few of these sorts of articles where the writer does the homework looking at past drafts and figuring out which players fail/succeed.

Draw your own conclusions but this is what Steve Doerschuk of the Canton Rep came up with when looking at 2nd round wideouts. He covers the Browns and is probably trying to figure out whether or not the Browns should take WR A.J. Green with the sixth pick of the draft even though he doesn't mention first round drafted wide receivers in this article.

This is what Steve came up with. Steve explains how he categorized the play of the wide receivers.

Snipped lots so go check out the full article and share your conclusions from this data.

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By Steve Doerschuk

CantonRep.com staff writer

Posted Feb 22, 2011 @ 12:02 AM

... Here is one view of how wide receivers drafted in their range from 1999-2008 have shaken out:

• Thirty-one wideouts were picked in the 35-55 range from 1999-2008. We analyzed their careers and assigned them to one of five categories.

ELITE (4) DeSean Jackson, No. 49, Eagles, 2008; Greg Jennings, No. 52, Packers, 2006; Anquan Boldin, No. 54, Cardinals, 2003; Chad Ochocinco, No. 36, Bengals, 2001

• All four of the “elites,” Jackson, Greg Jennings, Anquan Boldin and Chad Ochocinco, revealed themselves as such early on. That is, each produced 900 or more receiving yards in one of his first two seasons.

KEEPERS (5) Steve Smith, No. 51, Giants, 2007; Sidney Rice, No. 44, Vikings, 2007; Jordy Nelson, No. 36, Packers, 2008; Eddie Royal, No. 42, Broncos, 2008; Chris Chambers, No. 52, Dolphins, 2001

SERVICEABLE (10) Jerome Simpson, No. 46, Bengals, 2008; Reggie Brown, No. 35, 2005; Devery Henderson, No. 50, Saints, 2004; Josh Reed, No. 36, Bills, 2002; André Davis, No. 47, Browns, 2002; Reche Caldwell, No. 48, Chargers, 2002; Robert Ferguson, No. 41, Packers; 2001; Todd Pinkston, No. 36, Eagles, 2000; Jerry Porter, No. 47, Raiders, 2000; Peerless Price, No. 53, Bills, 1999.

• Roughly half of the picks land in the “keepers” or “serviceable” categories. The conclusion: One might get lucky and land a No. 1 wideout in the 35-55 range, but the reasonable hope is to find good No. 2 and No. 3 receivers there

FRINGE (5) Malcolm Kelly, No. 51, Redskins, 2008; Limas Sweed, No. 53, Steelers, 2008; Roscoe Parrish, No. 55, Bills, 2005; Mark Bradley, No. 39, Bears, 2005; Tim Carter, No. 46, Giants, 2002

• One should be careful about giving up on a player too soon. In his first 45 games with the Bengals, Jerome Simpson (No. 46 overall, 2008) seldom played, and when he did, he caught just one pass for 2 yards. In the final three games of his third season, starting with a game against Cleveland, Simpson caught 20 passes for 277 yards and three touchdowns.

• Neither should one assume decent production early is a sign of greater things to come.

Josh Reed, a No. 36 overall pick in 2002, teased the Bills with 509 and 588 yards in his first two seasons. He fell below those levels the next three years, approximated them again in his sixth and seventh seasons, then fell back again a year later. He was out of the league in 2010.

BUSTS (7) James Hardy, No. 41, Bills, 2008; Dwayne Jarrett, No. 45, Panthers, 2007; Sinorice Moss, No. 44, Giants, 2006; Chad Jackson, No. 36, Patriots, 2006; Darius Watts, No. 54, Broncos, 2004; Taylor Jacobs, No. 44, Redskins, 2003; Bethel Johnson, Patriots, No. 45, 2003.

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-- What I get from this information.

4 out of 36 WRs can be classified as elite WRs so if a team is in need of an 'elite' WR the second round doesn't look like the best spot to roll the dice. I'm hoping he has a follow-up article looking at first round wideouts because this looks like a decent breakdown of second round wide receivers.

I'm curious what others can cul from this data of if they agree/disagree with how the writer classifies the wide receivers.

 
Such a weird set of data 35-55...Hard to make conclusions about the 2nd round without including 33, 34, and 56-64.

 
Here's a complete list of all 2nd round WR picks from 1999-2008:

2008

Donie Avery

Devin Thomas

Jordy Nelson

James Hardy

Eddie Royal

Jerome Simpson

DeSean Jackson

Malcolm Kelly

Limas Sweed

Dexter Jackson

2007

Sidney Rice

Dwayne Jarrett

Steve Smith

2006

Chad Jackson

Sinorice Moss

Greg Jennings

Devin Hester

2005

Mark Bradley

Roscoe Parrish

Terrence Murphy

Vincent Jackson

2004

Devery Henderson

Darius Watts

Keary Colbert

2003

Taylor Jacobs

Bethel Johnson

Anquan Boldin

Tyrone Calico

Teyo Johnson

2002

Jabar Gaffney

Josh Reed

Tim Carter

Andre Davis

Reche Caldwell

Anwaan Randle El

Antonio Bryant

Deion Branch

2001

Quincy Morgan

Chad Johnson

Robert Ferguson

Chris Chambers

2000

Dennis Northcutt

Todd Pinkston

Jerry Porter

1999

Kevin Johnson

Peerless Price

 
Here's a complete list of all 2nd round WR picks from 1999-2008:2008Donie AveryDevin ThomasJordy NelsonJames HardyEddie RoyalJerome SimpsonDeSean JacksonMalcolm KellyLimas SweedDexter Jackson2007Sidney RiceDwayne JarrettSteve Smith2006Chad JacksonSinorice MossGreg JenningsDevin Hester2005Mark BradleyRoscoe ParrishTerrence MurphyVincent Jackson2004Devery HendersonDarius WattsKeary Colbert2003Taylor JacobsBethel JohnsonAnquan BoldinTyrone CalicoTeyo Johnson2002Jabar GaffneyJosh ReedTim CarterAndre DavisReche CaldwellAnwaan Randle ElAntonio BryantDeion Branch2001Quincy MorganChad JohnsonRobert FergusonChris Chambers2000Dennis NorthcuttTodd PinkstonJerry Porter1999Kevin JohnsonPeerless Price
Pretty bleak.
 
Here's a different way to look at the same time frame.

Receivers by round and numbers of receivers at career milestones:

1st round

Up to 1,000 5

1,000 35

2,000 28

3,000 23

4,000 17

5,000 10

6,000 7

7,000 6

8,000 5

9,000 3

10,000+ 2

2nd round

Up to 1,000 14

1,000 31

2,000 23

3,000 16

4,000 12

5,000 7

6,000 3

7,000 3

8,000 2

9,000 1

10,000+ 1

3rd round

Up to 1,000 26

1,000 18

2,000 9

3,000 7

4,000 6

5,000 4

6,000 4

7,000 3

8,000 2

9,000 0

10,000+ 0

4th round

Up to 1,000 30

1,000 11

2,000 7

3,000 5

4,000 3

5,000 1

6,000 0

7,000 0

8,000 0

9,000 0

10,000+ 0

5th round

Up to 1,000 36

1,000 7

2,000 3

3,000 0

4,000 0

5,000 0

6,000 0

7,000 0

8,000 0

9,000 0

10,000+ 0

6th round

Up to 1,000 44

1,000 5

2,000 3

3,000 0

4,000 0

5,000 0

6,000 0

7,000 0

8,000 0

9,000 0

10,000+ 0

7th round

Up to 1,000 59

1,000 9

2,000 7

3,000 5

4,000 3

5,000 3 (Marques Colston)

6,000 2

7,000 2 (TJ Housh)

8,000 1

9,000 1 (Donald Driver)

10,000+ 0

If nothing else, this illustrates the principle of diminishing retruns. As expected, the heavy hitters were focused more in the first round. Past that, there really weren't many home runs. Past the 3rd round, usually taking a receiver turned into a wasted pick. I suspect if you look at the trends for other positions, WR would not be much different (at least for skilled positions).

 
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Here's a different way to look at the same time frame.Receivers by round and numbers of receivers at career milestones:1st round1,000 352,000 283,000 234,000 175,000 106,000 77,000 68,000 59,000 310,000+ 22nd round1,000 312,000 233,000 164,000 125,000 76,000 37,000 38,000 29,000 1 10,000+ 13rd round1,000 182,000 93,000 74,000 65,000 46,000 47,000 38,000 29,000 010,000+ 04th round1,000 112,000 73,000 54,000 35,000 16,000 07,000 08,000 09,000 010,000+ 05th round1,000 72,000 33,000 04,000 05,000 06,000 07,000 08,000 09,000 010,000+ 06th round1,000 52,000 33,000 04,000 05,000 06,000 07,000 08,000 09,000 010,000+ 07th round1,000 92,000 73,000 54,000 35,000 3 (Marques Colston)6,000 27,000 2 (TJ Housh)8,000 19,000 1 (Donald Driver)10,000+ 0If nothing else, this illustrates the principle of diminishing retruns. As expected, the heavy hitters were focused more in the first round. Past that, there really weren't many home runs. Past the 3rd round, usually taking a receiver turned into a wasted pick. I suspect if you look at the trends for other positions, WR would not be much different (at least for skilled positions).
Very interesting stuff David. Any chance we could see the same breakdown for WRs, QBs and TEs? I also wonder if there is an easier way to find out percentages here. Such as, in that decade 46 WRs were drafted in the 2nd round. Based on Yudkins' numbers, 67% of them made 1000 career yards, 50% made 2000, 35% made 3000, 26% made 4000, 15% made 5000 etc. Better yet, what percentage of players had 1000 yard seasons, i.e. were good fantasy starters?
 
Brian Burke at Advanced NFL Stats has a post analyzing WR performance by round, looking at players drafted 1980-2000. The most useful part is probably the first graph, which shows what percentage of WRs drafted in each round made at least one Pro Bowl:

1st rd WR - 33% made a Pro Bowl

2nd rd WR - 15% made a Pro Bowl

3rd rd WR - 12% made a Pro Bowl

4th rd WR - 4% made a Pro Bowl

5th rd WR - 9% made a Pro Bowl

6th rd WR - 2% made a Pro Bowl

7th rd WR - 2% made a Pro Bowl

The graph also shows what percentage made at least 2 or 3 Pro Bowls, which has an even steeper dropoff from round 1 to rounds 2-3:

1st rd WR - 26% made 3+ Pro Bowls (27% made 2+)

2nd rd WR - 7% made 3+ Pro Bowls (12% made 2+)

3rd rd WR - 3% made 3+ Pro Bowls (4% made 2+)

4th rd WR - 2% made 3+ Pro Bowls (4% made 2+)

5th rd WR - 2% made 3+ Pro Bowls (5% made 2+)

6th rd WR - 0% made 3+ Pro Bowls (0% made 2+)

7th rd WR - 1% made 3+ Pro Bowls (1% made 2+)

This was part of a series of posts which includes a similar analysis of QBs (part 2), RBs, DEs, LBs, and DBs.

 
By comparison . . .

1st Round QBs Carring Passing Yards

Up to 2,000 1

2,000 27

4,000 24

6,000 22

8,000 20

10,000 17

12,000 13

14,000 11

16,000 7

18,000 6

20,000 5

22,000 5

24,000 2 Daunte Culpepper

36,000 1 Donovan McNabb

2nd Round QBs

Up to 2,000 5

2,000 1

4,000 4

6,000 3

8,000 1

10,000 1

12,000 1

14,000 1

16,000 1

18,000 1

20,000 1

22,000 1

24,000 1

35,000 1 Drew Brees

3rd Round QBs

Up to 2,000 8

2,000 6

4,000 4

6,000 3

8,000 1

10,000 1

12,000 1

14,000 1 Matt Schaub

16,000 0

18,000 0

20,000 0

22,000 0

24,000 0

4th Round QBs

Up to 2,000 7

2,000 6

4,000 5

6,000 3

8,000 3

10,000 3

12,000 3

14,000 2

16,000 2

18,000 1

20,000 1 Aaron Brooks

22,000 0

24,000 0

5th Round QBs

Up to 2,000 18

2,000 2

4,000 1 AJ Feeley

6,000 0

8,000 0

10,000 0

12,000 0

14,000 0

16,000 0

18,000 0

20,000 0

22,000 0

24,000 0

6th Round QBs

Up to 2,000 17

2,000 5

4,000 3

6,000 3

8,000 3

10,000 2

12,000 2

14,000 2

16,000 2

18,000 2

20,000 2

22,000 2 Marc Bulger

24,000 2

34,000 1 Tom Brady

7th Round QBs

Up to 2,000 19

2,000 5

4,000 3

6,000 2 Ryan Fitzgerald

8,000 1 Matt Cassel

10,000 0

12,000 0

14,000 0

16,000 0

18,000 0

20,000 0

22,000 0

24,000 0

 
1st Round RBs Career Rushing Yards

Up to 1,000 1

1,000 30

2,000 28

3,000 21

4,000 16

5,000 11

6,000 10

7,000 7

8,000 6

9,000 6

10,000 4

11,000 2

12,000 2 Edge

13,000 1 LT

2nd Round RBs Career Rushing Yards

Up to 1,000 11

1,000 15

2,000 14

3,000 12

4,000 4

5,000 4

6,000 2 Travis Henry

7,000 1

8,000 1

9,000 1 Clinton Portis

10,000 0

11,000 0

12,000 0

13,000 0

3rd Round RBs Career Rushing Yards

Up to 1,000 12

1,000 13

2,000 8

3,000 5

4,000 2

5,000 2

6,000 2 Gore, Westbrook

7,000 0

8,000 0

9,000 0

10,000 0

11,000 0

12,000 0

13,000 0

4th Round RBs Career Rushing Yards

Up to 1,000 16

1,000 16

2,000 6

3,000 4

4,000 3

5,000 1 Rudi Johnson

6,000 0

7,000 0

8,000 0

9,000 0

10,000 0

11,000 0

12,000 0

13,000 0

5th Round RBs Career Rushing Yards

Up to 1,000 15

1,000 4

2,000 2

3,000 1

4,000 1

5,000 1 Michael Turner

6,000 0

7,000 0

8,000 0

9,000 0

10,000 0

11,000 0

12,000 0

13,000 0

6th Round RBs Career Rushing Yards

Up to 1,000 21

1,000 3

2,000 2

3,000 2

4,000 2 Chester Taylor, Mike Anderson

5,000 0

6,000 0

7,000 0

8,000 0

9,000 0

10,000 0

11,000 0

12,000 0

13,000 0

7th Round RBs Career Rushing Yards

Up to 1,000 31

1,000 4

2,000 2 Ahmad Bradshaw, Derrick Ward

3,000 0

4,000 0

5,000 0

6,000 0

7,000 0

8,000 0

9,000 0

10,000 0

11,000 0

12,000 0

13,000 0

 
1st Round TEs Career Receiving Yards

Up to 1,000 0

1,000 14

2,000 11

3,000 6

4,000 4

5,000 2 Shockey, Heap

2nd Round TEs

Up to 1,000 6

1,000 10

2,000 4

3,000 1

4,000 1 Crumpler

5,000

3rd Round TEs

Up to 1,000 13

1,000 9

2,000 3

3,000 2 Cooley

4,000 1

5,000 1

6,000 1 Witten

4th Round TEs

Up to 1,000 13

1,000 3

2,000 2 Daniels

3,000 1

4,000 1 McMichael

5,000 0

5th Round TEs

Up to 1,000 21

1,000 4

2,000 0

3,000 0

4,000 0

5,000 0

6th Round TEs

Up to 1,000 16

1,000 5

2,000 2

3,000 1 Desmond Clark

4,000 0

5,000 0

7th Round TEs

Up to 1,000 30

1,000 3

2,000 2

3,000 0

4,000 0

5,000 0

 
I wonder how much of these numbers would change if the players that were drafted in the later rounds were given ample opportunity? I think there is a guy on the Patriots that was drafted late and turned out pretty well only because the starter got injured. I can't for the life of me remember who it was though...

 
'Eagle Green said:
I wonder how much of these numbers would change if the players that were drafted in the later rounds were given ample opportunity? I think there is a guy on the Patriots that was drafted late and turned out pretty well only because the starter got injured. I can't for the life of me remember who it was though...
Matt Cassel
 
If nothing else, this illustrates the principle of diminishing retruns. As expected, the heavy hitters were focused more in the first round. Past that, there really weren't many home runs. Past the 3rd round, usually taking a receiver turned into a wasted pick. I suspect if you look at the trends for other positions, WR would not be much different (at least for skilled positions).
WR seems like a position where elite physical talent is a much better indicator of success than skill level in college, so this makes some sense. But it could also be that later round guys would tend to be guys drafted as returners, which would keep them from hitting those big milestones, and that the guys taken in later rounds don't get a shot to make the team at a position where you need several years to develop a player, because the developmental slots on a lot of rosters include second and third year players who are hard to displace for a roster slot. So there could be a bit of a feedback loop here, where the idea that a sixth round receiver won't make the team turns into a self fulfilling prophecy, and even if they do make the team they don't get a chance to take offensive snaps because they're pushed into special teams roles early.
 
If nothing else, this illustrates the principle of diminishing retruns. As expected, the heavy hitters were focused more in the first round. Past that, there really weren't many home runs. Past the 3rd round, usually taking a receiver turned into a wasted pick. I suspect if you look at the trends for other positions, WR would not be much different (at least for skilled positions).
WR seems like a position where elite physical talent is a much better indicator of success than skill level in college, so this makes some sense. But it could also be that later round guys would tend to be guys drafted as returners, which would keep them from hitting those big milestones, and that the guys taken in later rounds don't get a shot to make the team at a position where you need several years to develop a player, because the developmental slots on a lot of rosters include second and third year players who are hard to displace for a roster slot. So there could be a bit of a feedback loop here, where the idea that a sixth round receiver won't make the team turns into a self fulfilling prophecy, and even if they do make the team they don't get a chance to take offensive snaps because they're pushed into special teams roles early.
Good points on special team duties cutting into playing time opportunities but their is a numbers aspect to players getting opportunities that also has to be put into the mix.By numbers I mean that their is only one QB on the field at any point in time and the vast majority of the time the RB is going to be the only guy to carry the football. Their will primarily by two CBs on the field and two safeties and two guards,etc but the one area that we know that in every game where three or even four players at ONE position will definitely be on the field at the same time is at WR.Many teams do not use a FB, some will go without a TE and some will go with empty backfields entirely meaning that we will see three and four wideouts on the field at any one point in time so just by a sheer numbers volume WRs get more opportunties to get on the field and to play than other positions because they get utilized more often.The top or #1 WR has to be accounted for by the opposing defense and the ability of any team's #1 WR will dicttate how much concern the opposition will need to negate the #1 WR. If a Larry Fitzgerald or a Calvin Johnson or an Andre Johnson is the guy your DC is facing he will definitely have to put his best DB or use double or even triple coverage to offset a legitimate #1 WR threat of that ability to cause damage.If a guy has ability and he plays WR he will most likely get an opporunity. And some guys who perform well in special teams get more opportunties to stick with a team and to learn so special teams goes both ways in hindering PT and adding to PT for a WR. See Josh Cribbs who came out of college as an athletic QB but got his chance to play special teams and then later has gotten many opportunties to play WR even though he's never stepped up and played well at WR he has gotten more opportunties than guys sitting on other rosters with more ability as wide receivers due to his stellar special team play.So going back to the original take showing that more top drafted WRs produce or perform well at a statistically higher number than lower drafted WRs, the hard evidence is the historical records of the NFL draft and how those players performed/produced. Where a player is taken doesn't dicate how his career will turn out but if a player has ability and they play WR I feel they have a better opportunity to showcase their ability at that position than other positions so I feel the original take showing the hard stats is valid.Jes my humble opinion.
 

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