Breakout/Bounce Back candidates for 2008 (1 Viewer)

[sholditch]

Not a subscriber so really just looking for opinions on what guys you are targetting in redrafts that should be higher value than ADP. Include rookies if you can. Steltz (Bears rook safety) is a guy that I think could come out of nowhere as he doesn't have tough competition for the job once Mike Brown goes out for the year after two quarters of play.

 

[tex]

At DB I've got to go with Brandon Flowers, CB, KC. All I need to say is rookie CB. At LB, I think Keith Bullock is in for a nice comeback year. His stats were down last year and I look for him to get back to his top level of play this year.

 

[sholditch]

Traded for him last year so I am certainly hoping so. What are your thoughts on this rookie class. Seems incredibly weak at LB, and not many promising corner possibilities either...

 

[obxlegends]

Not a subscriber so really just looking for opinions on what guys you are targetting in redrafts that should be higher value than ADP. Include rookies if you can. Steltz (Bears rook safety) is a guy that I think could come out of nowhere as he doesn't have tough competition for the job once Mike Brown goes out for the year after two quarters of play.

I don't want to show too many of my cards before the IDP Survivor Draft ( ) but....Bart Scott: His numbers will improve after a bad 2007 where he was asked to do too much.Niko Koutouvides: He's the scheduled starter, for a position that produced that 2nd leading tackler in the NFL last season. While he won't hit those numbers he will be a valuable LBer 3 for someone.Paul Posluszny: Technically speaking he's in the "bounce back" category.Manny Lawson: See above.D'Qwell Jackson: He's the one linebacker (who I'm willing to point to) who is capable of having a breakout monster season. LB2 with LB1 upside.

 

[Chachi]

Antonio Pierce should have a bounce back year into the top 10-12.

Mike Peterson will be huge if he's healthy.

Donnie Edwards is being drafted very low.

Adrian Wilson will bounce back from injury.

Madieu Williams should be well above his ADP

Michael Griffin should be a good value

Brian Dawkins should be good value

Charles Tillman is always undervalued

Breakout:

#1 Breakout is Bernard Pollard, I am very high on him this year.

Guys who might breakout: Bradley Stewart, Chad Greenway.

Super sleeper: HB Blades (This is dependent on McIntosh health)

 

[obxlegends]

Breakout:#1 Breakout is Bernard Pollard, I am very high on him this year.

Pollard was a Top 10 safety in most of my league's formats last year. Do you expect a much higher finish for him this year?Your list was pretty dead on with how I think. Good job.

 

[obxlegends]

Guys who might breakout: Bradley Stewart, Chad Greenway.

I'm a huge fan of Bradley Stewart. He should have a big year for the Eagles of Philadelphia.

 

[Zoomanji]

Guys who might breakout: Bradley Stewart, Chad Greenway.

I'm a huge fan of Bradley Stewart. He should have a big year for the Eagles of Philadelphia.

Me too, really like him.He'll have better number than Gaither Omar had at MLB last year and should steal the nickel role from Gocong Chris

 

[GROMS]

Not a subscriber so really just looking for opinions on what guys you are targetting in redrafts that should be higher value than ADP. Include rookies if you can. Steltz (Bears rook safety) is a guy that I think could come out of nowhere as he doesn't have tough competition for the job once Mike Brown goes out for the year after two quarters of play.

I don't want to show too many of my cards before the IDP Survivor Draft ( ) but....Bart Scott: His numbers will improve after a bad 2007 where he was asked to do too much.

Niko Koutouvides: He's the scheduled starter, for a position that produced that 2nd leading tackler in the NFL last season. While he won't hit those numbers he will be a valuable LBer 3 for someone.

Paul Posluszny: Technically speaking he's in the "bounce back" category.

Manny Lawson: See above.

D'Qwell Jackson: He's the one linebacker (who I'm willing to point to) who is capable of having a breakout monster season. LB2 with LB1 upside.

I think this guy could be a monster as predicted before his injury. In most rankings I've seen he is out of the top 10. He's supposed to be fully recovered right?

 

[Zoomanji]

Not a subscriber so really just looking for opinions on what guys you are targetting in redrafts that should be higher value than ADP. Include rookies if you can. Steltz (Bears rook safety) is a guy that I think could come out of nowhere as he doesn't have tough competition for the job once Mike Brown goes out for the year after two quarters of play.

I don't want to show too many of my cards before the IDP Survivor Draft ( ) but....Bart Scott: His numbers will improve after a bad 2007 where he was asked to do too much.

Niko Koutouvides: He's the scheduled starter, for a position that produced that 2nd leading tackler in the NFL last season. While he won't hit those numbers he will be a valuable LBer 3 for someone.

Paul Posluszny: Technically speaking he's in the "bounce back" category.

Manny Lawson: See above.

D'Qwell Jackson: He's the one linebacker (who I'm willing to point to) who is capable of having a breakout monster season. LB2 with LB1 upside.

I think this guy could be a monster as predicted before his injury. In most rankings I've seen he is out of the top 10. He's supposed to be fully recovered right?

Yup. It was a broken arm

 

[bcr8f]

Breakout:#1 Breakout is Bernard Pollard, I am very high on him this year.

Pollard was a Top 10 safety in most of my league's formats last year. Do you expect a much higher finish for him this year?Your list was pretty dead on with how I think. Good job.

He was top 5 or 6 the last 6 weeks. I see him continuing that trend.Rouse if he wins the job.Anthony Watters filling in for Cooper.

 

[Crippler]

Thomas Davis Carolina. Really came on at the end of last year. With the addition of Beason and Connor, really freed him up to do what he does best which is buzz around. Last game of last year was a gem, he played. He was everywhere in that game and I think a sign of things to come this year.

Aaron Rouse is the one I have my eyes on also.

How about Antwaun Barnes Baltimore.

 

[bcr8f]

Rookies I like Kenny Phillips. Phillips has been impressing the Giants and may put up better numbers than Gbril Wilson. I like him a lot.

 

[Anthony Borbely]

In general, I look for the safeties to return to form after a position-wide slump.

 

[Drop]

Houston Texans Depth Chart:

CB: Dunta Robinson (inj), Fred Bennett, Jacques Reeves, DeMarcus Faggins, Jamar Fletcher, Antwaun Molden, Jimmy Williams

How long is Robinson out? PUP?

I know the Texans basically scooped up Jacques Reeves as early as they could in free agency, but he gets smoked so often that I can't see him starting if Antwaun Molden is the diamond in the rough that some predicted.

It's worth keeping an eye on the situation to see if Molden can emerge, even if that means he only starts until Dunta Robinson comes back. Really whoever emerges could be productive.

I don't know much about Fred Bennett, but there was an interesting blurb about him in the new ESPN the magazine.

by K.C. Joyner

"To experts who say Dunta Robinson is the best corner in Houston, think again. Bennett is not only better than Robinson, the stats say he was the premier corner in the league last season. The 24-year-old Bennett, a fourth-round pick in 2007, actually had better metrics in his eight starts than any numbers Robinson has posted in his four-year career. Bennett's 4.7 overall YPA led the league among corners with 60-plus attempts, and opposing WRs gained only 67 total yards on the 24 combined medium, deep and bomb passes he faced. With pass-happy teams like the Steelers, Colts and Browns on Houston's sked in 2008, Bennett's name will be on everyone's lips."

That quote is from an article that includes 3 other breakout players. (Elvis Dumervil, Tanard Jackson, and Ernie Sims.) Like I said I don't know much about Fred Bennett, but the I agree that the other 3 players are very good, especially Nard Dog.

If Bennett is as good as the numbers say he is, then the other CB could see a lot of passes thrown his way. I still want to see more game film on him before putting him amongst the better corners in the NFL, but the little that I have seen is solid.

Bennett had 62 tackles (54 solo), 2 FF, 3 INT, 14 PDef in 8 starts as a rookie last season. He's 6'1'' 199 lbs.

 

[therokie0070]

Keith Bullock is my break out pick he was a top 5 last year who did not perform but will this year, plus he is going way lower in all drafts. Also top rookie is between Lofton and Dizon unless Rivers locks down MLB and becomes a 3 down back by mid season.

 

[flooredyas]

Thomas Davis Carolina. Really came on at the end of last year. With the addition of Beason and Connor, really freed him up to do what he does best which is buzz around. Last game of last year was a gem, he played. He was everywhere in that game and I think a sign of things to come this year. Aaron Rouse is the one I have my eyes on also. How about Antwaun Barnes Baltimore.

Davis' move to weak side should assure this. Maybe Carolina will actually leave him there.

 

[massraider]

Dhani Jones is going to be a 3 down LB for a bad defense. Not a great player, but is going to be this year's Paris Lenon, but better.

 

[The Jacket]

Derrick Johnson (LB, KC) is moving to WLB, so his tackle numbers could/should see a healthy increase, combined with his sack potential. I'd like to get him on my main IDP league team.

 

[BearsFan]

Derrick Johnson (LB, KC) is moving to WLB, so his tackle numbers could/should see a healthy increase, combined with his sack potential. I'd like to get him on my main IDP league team.

What's your basis for the WLB move statement?I'd understood the WLB would remain Edwards, or they'd go with Williams, depending on whether they decide to keep Harris in the middle or not.

 

[The Jacket]

Derrick Johnson (LB, KC) is moving to WLB, so his tackle numbers could/should see a healthy increase, combined with his sack potential. I'd like to get him on my main IDP league team.

What's your basis for the WLB move statement?I'd understood the WLB would remain Edwards, or they'd go with Williams, depending on whether they decide to keep Harris in the middle or not.

Offseason reports had Derrick Johnson lining up at weakside linebacker this season and that’s exactly where he stood Friday with the first-team defense. Donnie Edwards took Johnson’s old position a few yards to the left, with Napoleon Harris rounding out the starting linebackers.

http://oak.scout.com/a.z?s=66&p=2&c=772295I could find a more credible quote (i.e Herm Edwards and Gunther Cunningham), but the Chiefs official website is awful and it'd take me a while to find it. He's definitely the WLB.

 

[Buffaloes]

I think if Jordon Dizon gets the job at MLB, he will be this year's rookie LB to grab. Reminds me a lot of Zach Thomas...smallish guy but always around the ball and always making plays. If Paris Lenon can be a decent producer in that defense, Dizon should be that much better.

 

[massraider]

Derrick Johnson (LB, KC) is moving to WLB, so his tackle numbers could/should see a healthy increase, combined with his sack potential. I'd like to get him on my main IDP league team.

What's your basis for the WLB move statement?I'd understood the WLB would remain Edwards, or they'd go with Williams, depending on whether they decide to keep Harris in the middle or not.

Offseason reports had Derrick Johnson lining up at weakside linebacker this season and that’s exactly where he stood Friday with the first-team defense. Donnie Edwards took Johnson’s old position a few yards to the left, with Napoleon Harris rounding out the starting linebackers.

http://oak.scout.com/a.z?s=66&p=2&c=772295I could find a more credible quote (i.e Herm Edwards and Gunther Cunningham), but the Chiefs official website is awful and it'd take me a while to find it. He's definitely the WLB.

That's intertesting. I had not heard that. Something major to keep an eye on.

 

[tazinib1]

Nobody has mentioned Mathias Kiwanuka

 

[Jene Bramel]

Derrick Johnson (LB, KC) is moving to WLB, so his tackle numbers could/should see a healthy increase, combined with his sack potential. I'd like to get him on my main IDP league team.

What's your basis for the WLB move statement?I'd understood the WLB would remain Edwards, or they'd go with Williams, depending on whether they decide to keep Harris in the middle or not.

Offseason reports had Derrick Johnson lining up at weakside linebacker this season and that’s exactly where he stood Friday with the first-team defense. Donnie Edwards took Johnson’s old position a few yards to the left, with Napoleon Harris rounding out the starting linebackers.

http://oak.scout.com/a.z?s=66&p=2&c=772295I could find a more credible quote (i.e Herm Edwards and Gunther Cunningham), but the Chiefs official website is awful and it'd take me a while to find it. He's definitely the WLB.

Much bigger news than Thomas Davis here.

 

[Zoomanji]

Nobody has mentioned Mathias Kiwanuka

He's a DE playing SLB. Not much to expect as an IDP unless you are very sack heavy (he'll rush the passer on 3rd down).He'll bounce-back but I wouldn't want to have to play him in a fantasy league

 

[massraider]

Nobody has mentioned Mathias Kiwanuka

He's a DE playing SLB. Not much to expect as an IDP unless you are very sack heavy (he'll rush the passer on 3rd down).He'll bounce-back but I wouldn't want to have to play him in a fantasy league

The only thing to do with Kiwi is hold on deep dynast leagues, and hope he goes back to DE, and somehow beats out Tuck. Not seeing much value, unfortunately.

 

[bcr8f]

Offseason reports had Derrick Johnson lining up at weakside linebacker this season and that’s exactly where he stood Friday with the first-team defense. Donnie Edwards took Johnson’s old position a few yards to the left, with Napoleon Harris rounding out the starting linebackers.

http://oak.scout.com/a.z?s=66&p=2&c=772295

I could find a more credible quote (i.e Herm Edwards and Gunther Cunningham), but the Chiefs official website is awful and it'd take me a while to find it. He's definitely the WLB.

Does anyone really see this as the starting group? I think Demarrio Williams will be WLB until the Chiefs prove me wrong. UWRiver Falls covers the Chiefs practices but they haven't done anything yet. When they do line up I'll report what they say.

 

[J Andersson]

Given recent news both Derrick Johnson and Thomas Davis looks like prime candidates for breakout seasons as explained above.

Bounce back - I like Adrian Wilson to do a LOT better this than year than last.

 

[The Jacket]

Does anyone really see this as the starting group? I think Demarrio Williams will be WLB until the Chiefs prove me wrong. UWRiver Falls covers the Chiefs practices but they haven't done anything yet. When they do line up I'll report what they say.

I appreciate UWRF's efforts, but in all honesty they're not particularly accurate. I would be careful what you believe reading there. For example, they noted the Chiefs starting O-line to be: LT Waters, LG Albert, C Niswanger, RG McIntosh, RT Jones. It is actually LT Albert, LG Waters, C Niswanger, RG Jones, RT McIntosh. The Williams signing is curious if the Chiefs plan on starting DJ at WLB, but I would say that they're very keen to upgrade their depth, as evidenced by using three third-round picks on a RB2/3, TE2 and third safety. Williams wasn't paid starter money and to be honest I'm not sure I've ever expected him to start or be a huge factor. I expect him to be a third down guy, someone to give the Chiefs three extremely quick, rangy LBers in passing situations. Unfortunately for IDPers, I expect this situation will lack clarity until the Chiefs' first game. Neither Herm or Cunningham believe in strictly having a strong- and weak-side LB. They have claimed in the past to simpy called them the LOLB and ROLB and not commit them to either side of the formation. That will probably be the case to some degree; I expect to see DJ at WLB 80+% of the time while Edwards/Williams man the role the other 20% of the time when DJ is either on the sideline or simply in a package that has him on the left side.