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Thats what they all say with Brett's top WR goes down. Doesn't anyone have a memory.Walker down - Driver takes offSharpe down - In comes BrooksI think there at least 5 other examples if not more. Favre makes the receiver not the other way around. He's one of a kind. AND he still has K. Robinson, Jennings, Jones and if you don't recall Favre and Robinson were clicking on all cylinders when he left. I'm figuring 28 TDs this year.I hope the injury to Driver isn't serious... After watching Favre recently, I think he's still one of the premiere quarterbacks in this league. If only he had a stud receiver and or a running game. It seems Favre is more dedicated than he's been the last couple of years, he looks like he's in great shape and he's still throwing lasers... I can see Favre playing another 2-3 seasons easyIf Driver is healthy I see something like 4,100 yards 22 TD's 18 INT's... The guy just doesn't have the talent around him to put up the numbers he use to... which sucks because the defense looks championship caliber. Driver is an overachiever, Jennings looked good last year and now looks like nothing special, Jones looks promising but is a rookie, Franks is old and in the lower half of TE's, and the offensive-line has improved but is still nothing special... oh and I forgot he's got no running back to help him out.
As a Pats fan, you sound like a Bledsoe apologist.
Any QB would be great with a stud WR & RB! (As they were always reminded.)And btw, Driver & Green were above average last year, and Favre was still mediocre.IMO, he'll be mediocre again this year as builds up his sand castle records.
So how is Tom Brady going to win the AFC championship this year? With his male modeling? Prancing around in his underwear with his weiner hanging out for everyone to see? Stop hating on three-time NFL MVPs...PSFavre >>>>>>>>>>>>> Tom "System Quarterback" Brady. Maybe the Packers should do some of those 8 receiver sets with those short passes and screens... I'm serious, I like them they're safe and effective.As a Pats fan, you sound like a Bledsoe apologist.
Where is the Panties-Bunched-Up emoticon when you need it?So how is Tom Brady going to win the AFC championship this year? With his male modeling? Prancing around in his underwear with his weiner hanging out for everyone to see? Stop hating on three-time NFL MVPs...PSFavre >>>>>>>>>>>>> Tom "System Quarterback" Brady. Maybe the Packers should do some of those 8 receiver sets with those short passes and screens... I'm serious, I like them they're safe and effective.As a Pats fan, you sound like a Bledsoe apologist.Any QB would be great with a stud WR & RB! (As they were always reminded.)And btw, Driver & Green were above average last year, and Favre was still mediocre.IMO, he'll be mediocre again this year as builds up his sand castle records.
What do you expect when you bash one of the greatest quarterbacks of all-time like your team's QB is Peyton Manning or something. There is a reason why Brett Favre will have all the all-time passing records for a short while ('Til Manning breaks them). Show some respect for you elders... You punk kids with your damn rap music and your coke parties.Where is the Panties-Bunched-Up emoticon when you need it?So how is Tom Brady going to win the AFC championship this year? With his male modeling? Prancing around in his underwear with his weiner hanging out for everyone to see? Stop hating on three-time NFL MVPs...PSFavre >>>>>>>>>>>>> Tom "System Quarterback" Brady. Maybe the Packers should do some of those 8 receiver sets with those short passes and screens... I'm serious, I like them they're safe and effective.As a Pats fan, you sound like a Bledsoe apologist.
What do you expect when you bash one of the greatest quarterbacks of all-time like your team's QB is Peyton Manning or something. There is a reason why Brett Favre will have all the all-time passing records for a short while ('Til Manning breaks them). Show some respect for you elders... You punk kids with your damn rap music and your coke parties.Where is the Panties-Bunched-Up emoticon when you need it?So how is Tom Brady going to win the AFC championship this year? With his male modeling? Prancing around in his underwear with his weiner hanging out for everyone to see? Stop hating on three-time NFL MVPs...PSFavre >>>>>>>>>>>>> Tom "System Quarterback" Brady. Maybe the Packers should do some of those 8 receiver sets with those short passes and screens... I'm serious, I like them they're safe and effective.As a Pats fan, you sound like a Bledsoe apologist.Any QB would be great with a stud WR & RB! (As they were always reminded.)And btw, Driver & Green were above average last year, and Favre was still mediocre.IMO, he'll be mediocre again this year as builds up his sand castle records.
Now that I've digested the screen name I think I've got where this is going. Thanks for the laugh.
Judge Smails said:
It's about quality of pass attempt not quantity of pass attempts.Judge Smails said:
-3 in my league. Favre will not sniff my roster unless his ADP suffers a precipitous drop.
Penalizing for INT's is by far the dumbest scoring ever.Example:You have Favre, the other guy has Bubba Franks. Favre throws to Franks and it bounces right off his hands for an INT. You lose 2 points because the stone hands of the TE that is on the team you are playing against. Then you lose the game by 1 point. Everytime somone in our league brings up negative points for INT's, I pull out that example and it quickly eliminates that ridiculous idea.Judge Smails said:
Well maybe Favre shouldnt have thrown it Bubba. More often than not though INTs are the QBs fault.
That's true, but how would you like to lose a game becasue of the above scenario. Take it further, it costs you a playoff spot, simply becasue the guy you were playing against had a bum that can't catch and got rewarded for it.
I'd like it better than losing to a guy because he got a "yardage bonus" when his stupid kicker hits a 50 yarder
There are hundreds of examples like that in fantasy football. They aren't really scoring system dependent. If a QB throws a dump off to a RB who by his lonesome breaks 18 tackles and jukes all 11 defenders on his own and makes his way into the endzone does the QB deserve the credit for that? No? Well, then passing TDs shouldn't be in the scoring system.Obviously, I feel the opposite way you do about QB turnovers. They are a HUGE part of the NFL game and most often a direct result of a poor decision/throw by the QB. I go WAY out of my way to avoid leagues that DON'T penalize for QB turnovers (mostly ints). Sure, every once in a while a receiver "causes" an int. But just as often a receiver can turn a bad throw by a QB into a positive play or even a TD.
we do, too, but also get 1pt/5 completions and bonus for 300+ yards.. even with all of the int's he finished as qb10 in my league; targeting him again.Judge Smails said:
we have -2 for ints and I personally think it should be higher. Using a single, general, example to prove a point is ridiculous. As easily as you can use that example, I cna use a counter example. The fact is, INTs is a common stat that is used to gauge a QBs performance. And, in most cases, the INTs are the QBs fault and results in negative consequences to his team.Favre can throw for 300 yards, 2 TDs, and 5 ints, and still come out higher than a QB that throws for for 200 yards and a TD.
Noones saying Driver isnt a stud. What they are saying is that he got injured last night and may not be around meaning GB has no stud WR.
Here's another way your example is wrong--what if Bubba makes the catch? If it's Franks, it's a short pass. Maybe 8 yards. Your opponent could cross a 10-yard threshold and that catch gets him 1 point, plus another point if it's PPR. Now he's got 2 points from 1 play, and it didn't bump up Favre enough to pass the 25-yard threshold, so you get nothing. You still lose.
You need to accept the reality that fantasy football is largely a game of random luck. Trying to design your scoring system to make the fantasy game more "fair" or more "realistic" is truely a fool's quest.
Horrible example. Favre did nothing wrong in my example or yours. Franks sucked in my example and the owner was rewarded. Franks caught the pass in your example and was rewarded as was Favre.Not even a remotely good example.
Read post #6 above."After watching Favre recently, I think he's still one of the premiere quarterbacks in this league. If only he had a stud receiver and or a running game". He also called him an overachiever. I guess he's been overachieving for the last 3 years. I wish some other WR's would overachieve like him.So yes, someone is saying Driver isn't a stud.
No, negative points is ######ed.
Horrible post. The point is that FF can't replicate the "real" world, so it's a game. There are a hundred things that can happen that "aren't fair" about FF, negative points for INTs is just as justifiable as giving a QB points for a screen pass that another guy does all the work on and breaks 10 tackles for a TD.Not even a remotely good post.
You have Favre and Jackson, the other guy has Franks. Jackson misses a block on a blitzing LB, Favre throws to Franks, but it is off target, and Franks has to bat it out of the air to keep the defender from catching it. It lands in Jackson's hands, and he runs it in for the TD. Favre and Jackson get TD's, Franks gets squat.
I destroyed your failed logic and that is all you could come up with, plagiarizing my response? Weak.
No one was penalized by subtracting points for doing thier job. Nothing wrong with this scenario.
Your two guys were the ones who screwed up (at least initially with Jackson) and were rewarded for not doing their job. Different, but just as wrong. But that's just the way it goes.
Nobody lost points for doing their job. They just didn't get any. That is my point. You should not lose points for doing your job. I use the case of losing a game because of it as the definitive example of how stupid negative points is. Why don't you just now subtract for dropped passes too. And subtract for fumbles. Throw in missed tackles for defense. You subtract for an INT. That's someone's mistake. Subtract for ALL mistakes. See how ridiculous it is? You have no idea whose fault the mistake is but you must blame the QB no matter what. That is just stupid beyond belief.
I really don't want to get into a pissing contest with you, honestly I think the matter should be dropped and let the thread return to its intent. I should add that, when I first started FF I was explained that the reason INTs deducted points is because it has a negative impact on the team, same with fumbles. Yes, dropped passes hurt the drive as do missed tackles. However fumbles and INTs result in a change of possession and at least four downs for the opposing team.
His second half swoons have killed me 2 years in a row. I mean mind-blowingly terrible finishes. He can be "value" for someone else this year. I've had my fill.Brett Favre is currently ranked as QB14.In the last 3 seasons he has finished 6, 13, and 8. The season he finished as QB13 he also threw 29 INT's. Unless you are projecting an injury or a ridiculous number if picks again Brett Favre represents great value in fantasy drafts.
Draft him and start him for 8 games. Then trade him or bench him.dirtywaters20 said:His second half swoons have killed me 2 years in a row. I mean mind-blowingly terrible finishes. He can be "value" for someone else this year. I've had my fill.Brett Favre is currently ranked as QB14.
