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[MCguidance]

Updated: To keep this impartial, Reid is not leaning either way, but expects him to play if ready. What that means, we will ssee later in the week.

Also updated the thread title to reflect the news - will continue to do so as I find information or you post it here.

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http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpag...6747&spln=1

Brian Westbrook: Westbrook not likely to face Giants in Week 8

Brian Westbrook - RB - PHI - Oct. 27 - 8:46 am et

There's a "good chance" Brian Westbrook (concussion) won't be able to play in Week 8, according to Philadelphia Daily News NFL writer Paul Domowitch.

Westbrook was out cold for a couple seconds after taking a knee to the back of the head on Monday night. Even though the Eagles have a huge game against the Giants this week, playing Westbrook would be irresponsible. On Monday night, Eagles coach Andy Reid said he's not going to put B-West out there if he's at risk. Look for rookie LeSean McCoy to get the majority of work this week. Oct. 27 - 8:46 am et

Source: Philadelphia Inquirer & Daily News

Delete if Honda, didn't see a thread.

 

[jurb26]

Gonna have to stay on top of this one personally. I have McCoy in one of my leagues and thanks to week 8 byes I've got little options for starters right now. If Westy is a no go, McCoy is sure to be in my lineup.

 

[rvmblack]

He aint playing. This is a concussion, so this thread should be over after two posts.

 

[MCguidance]

He aint playing. This is a concussion, so this thread should be over after two posts.

Once it's confirmed, I will change the title, but not before then.Then we can switch to discussion about McCoy if we want.

 

[munygon2]

Good thing I picked up McCoy a few weeks ago.

 

[Buffaloes]

 

[Wyld Stallyns]

Any thoughts on longterm impact here? Seems to me he's out for a couple weeks MAX, right? I didn't see the hit and am wondering if this is the kind of thing where Westy owners should officially start making other plans?

 

[Trap Play]

I don't get it. I didn't realize a concussion knocked you out for the season. Is Westbrooke that big a #####?

 

[MCguidance]

I don't get it. I didn't realize a concussion knocked you out for the season. Is Westbrooke that big a #####?

 

[Trap Play]

I don't get it. I didn't realize a concussion knocked you out for the season. Is Westbrooke that big a #####?

I was referring to all the talk of missing Week 8, or multiple games, or the season in this thread. Maybe I was incorrectly reading into the latter, but there seems to be a lot of 'doom and gloom'.

 

[jurb26]

I don't get it. I didn't realize a concussion knocked you out for the season. Is Westbrooke that big a #####?

I was referring to all the talk of missing Week 8, or multiple games, or the season in this thread. Maybe I was incorrectly reading into the latter, but there seems to be a lot of 'doom and gloom'.

Well, it didn't really look that bad to me. He took a knee to the head. Concussions are strange though.

 

[ScottyDog]

It didn't look that bad? It was awful. London Fletcher's knee went full force into the back of BW's neck and head. He was totally unconscious and unresponsive for at least 10 seconds. A concussion is a brain injury where your brain sustains a two fold collision, one with the initial impact and one when the brain bumps into the other end of the skull (the rebound effect). Brian I am sure today is experiencing very severe headaches and quite possibly some blurred vision. He will and he must be ruled out for week 8. It is not even his choice. I don't think you quite understand the severity of what a concussion means to the well being of a person's immediate health as well as their future health. Once you get a concussion, you have an increased chance of getting another. It is very serious.

I don't get it. I didn't realize a concussion knocked you out for the season. Is Westbrooke that big a #####?

I was referring to all the talk of missing Week 8, or multiple games, or the season in this thread. Maybe I was incorrectly reading into the latter, but there seems to be a lot of 'doom and gloom'.

Well, it didn't really look that bad to me. He took a knee to the head. Concussions are strange though.

 

[Trap Play]

I don't think you quite understand the severity of what a concussion means to the well being of a person's immediate health as well as their future health. Once you get a concussion, you have an increased chance of getting another. It is very serious.

No, I guess I don't. I appreciate the information though. I also don't understand how some players get them and play the next week even in this age of a concussion-sensitive NFL. I guess there are varying severities or the term is just thrown around too loosely?

 

[Neo]

I don't think you quite understand the severity of what a concussion means to the well being of a person's immediate health as well as their future health. Once you get a concussion, you have an increased chance of getting another. It is very serious.

No, I guess I don't. I appreciate the information though. I also don't understand how some players get them and play the next week even in this age of a concussion-sensitive NFL. I guess there are varying severities or the term is just thrown around too loosely?

Read this....and watch the video....60 minutes segment. http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/10/08/...in5371686.shtml

 

[trader jake]

I'd be shocked if Westbrook plays week 8.

 

[Mighty Mice]

ESPN.com reports Philadelphia Eagles RB Brian Westbrook (concussion) will go through further medical tests before his status for Week 8 is determined. 'We'll just see. We'll see how he is. I'm not going to put him out there when he's at risk,' head coach Andy Reid said. Reid added, however, that he thinks Westbrook is 'going to be all right.'

We'll see the severity of it. Not sure how we can know if he was out cold, how long he was unresponsive (if at all), etc. I do know he walked off under his own power. He wasn't vomiting like Tebow was, and he came back in 2 weeks time to face LSU. And I do know that the coach thinks he will "be all right."

All the above means to me this is probably not the most serious of concussions (there are levels). He may miss this week. Hard to say. I would feel comfortable projecting him back for week 9 given what we know.

 

[renesauz]

FWIW...Westbrook was up and walking around on the sideline later, often with a smile on his face. If it was severe, he would have stayed in a quiet locker room. Whether or not a player loses conciousness is NOT a good indicator of the severity of a concussion.

I doubt we know anything for sure on his availability until late in the week, and I wouldn't assume anything right now either way.

 

[CrossEyed]

FWIW...Westbrook was up and walking around on the sideline later, often with a smile on his face. If it was severe, he would have stayed in a quiet locker room. Whether or not a player loses conciousness is NOT a good indicator of the severity of a concussion.

I doubt we know anything for sure on his availability until late in the week, and I wouldn't assume anything right now either way.

I don't think it's quite that simple. Hopefully he's fine, but I wouldn't base that on the fact that he was smiling on the sideline.

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

FWIW...Westbrook was up and walking around on the sideline later, often with a smile on his face. If it was severe, he would have stayed in a quiet locker room. Whether or not a player loses conciousness is NOT a good indicator of the severity of a concussion.

I doubt we know anything for sure on his availability until late in the week, and I wouldn't assume anything right now either way.

Natasha Richardson claimed she was fine after she hit her head and was joking around a bit. then, when she got back to her cabin she felt dizzy and was taken to the hospital and died.

 

[renesauz]

FWIW...Westbrook was up and walking around on the sideline later, often with a smile on his face. If it was severe, he would have stayed in a quiet locker room. Whether or not a player loses conciousness is NOT a good indicator of the severity of a concussion.

I doubt we know anything for sure on his availability until late in the week, and I wouldn't assume anything right now either way.

I don't think it's quite that simple. Hopefully he's fine, but I wouldn't base that on the fact that he was smiling on the sideline.

I wasn't...but that fact is every bit as significant for those playing doctor as the fact that he got knocked out.

 

[BigJim®]

Is there any comparison of other RBs suffering concussions, and their return timeframe? My immedite thought is RB is a pretty bad position to suffer that type of injury, given that a RB is hit everytime he touches the ball. It's different than WR/QB in that those positions are not running into the gut of the line and exposed to ongoing violent hits as part of the position.

 

[angman]

When I saw the play and the way Westy's neck kinda snapped back I immediately thought of Priest Holmes.

Good to hear that's not the case for BW36. Hopefully he gets back on the field here soon enough.

 

[Wyld Stallyns]

ESPN.com reports Philadelphia Eagles RB Brian Westbrook (concussion) will go through further medical tests before his status for Week 8 is determined. 'We'll just see. We'll see how he is. I'm not going to put him out there when he's at risk,' head coach Andy Reid said. Reid added, however, that he thinks Westbrook is 'going to be all right.'We'll see the severity of it. Not sure how we can know if he was out cold, how long he was unresponsive (if at all), etc. I do know he walked off under his own power. He wasn't vomiting like Tebow was, and he came back in 2 weeks time to face LSU. And I do know that the coach thinks he will "be all right." All the above means to me this is probably not the most serious of concussions (there are levels). He may miss this week. Hard to say. I would feel comfortable projecting him back for week 9 given what we know.

 

[rascal]

Good thing I picked up McCoy a few weeks ago.

Good thing I dropped McCoy last week.

 

[Mighty Mice]

Good thing I picked up McCoy a few weeks ago.

Good thing I dropped McCoy last week.

As an Iggles fan, I have to say McCoy has not been nearly as productive as Westbrook. He's used like Westy, but he does not perform like Westy (few do, IMO). In other words, I expect RB1 production from a healthy Westbrook. I expect RB2 production from McCoy. McCoy - 59 carries, 212 yards, 3.6 YPC, 1 TDWesty - 41 carries, 197 yards, 4.8 YPC, 1 TDMcCoy - 13 Rec, 92 yards, 7.1 YPR, 0 TDWesty - 17 Rec, 130 yards, 7.6 YPR, 1 TDWesty is FAR better in pass protection also-not unexpected given McCoy is a rookie.

 

[Mighty Mice]

Not much in the way of updates, but found these nuggets this morning:

(RotoWire) Westbrook (concussion) underwent testing on Tuesday, and the results should be known Wednesday or Thursday, NFL.com reports. Analysis: Head coach Andy Reid was optimistic about Westbrook's chances, noting that if he's cleared medically Westbrook should be able to play even without practicing during the week. His status for Sunday's game against the Giants should clear up a bit later this week.

(FFToolbox) Philadelphia Eagles running back Brian Westbrook probably decided many fantasy match-ups on Monday night when he left the game after just three carries and 13 yards with a concussion. Westbrook didn't return to the game, but head coach Andy Reid said Tuesday that he is counting on Westbrook to play this weekend in a critical game against the New York Giants. However, that may just be coach speak because Reid still needs to see how Westbrook's tests go.

 

[MCguidance]

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/rumors/post/Ea...?urn=nfl,198681

Wed Oct 28, 2009 6:42 am EDT

Eagles' Westbrook back on Sunday after concussion?

By Mark J. Miller

Philadelphia Eagles running back Brian Westbrook(notes) took a knee to the head during the first quarter of Monday night's victory against the Washington Redskins that knocked him out and causes some memory loss. But Eagles head coach Andy Reid is apparently not convinced that Westbrook will be out of the lineup next Sunday when his Birds take on the archrival New York Giants.

Reid is supposedly "counting on" Westbrook being there. Well, he better get a new plan because doctors seem to be doubtful that he'll be ready to put his head back into a helmet before Sunday's faceoff, according to Philly.com.

"Right now, I'm counting on he'll be there, and I know he'll want to be there, so there is a fine line there because this guy is so competitive that he wants to be out there every minute," Reid said last night.

Meanwhile, former Eagles and Philadelphia Flyers doc Art Bartolozzi told the Philadelphia Inquirer that Westbrook will not only likely miss the Giants matchup but also the one the following week against the Dallas Cowboys.

"If he was unconscious, he is probably out at least a few weeks," Bartolozzi said. "The brain is like a computer. Amnesia means the hard drive has been shaken. If you lose data, it tells you something is wrong with the computer."

Source: Philly.comPhiladelphia Inquirer

Related: Dallas Cowboys, New York Giants, Philadelphia Eagles, Washington Redskins

 

[War Eagle]

Thanks for the post MCguidance!

Aside from fantasy football and the division matchup, the Eagles & Westbrook would be stupid to rush him back out there. Concussions are nothing to F with. The doc knows!

 

[Hang 10]

Good thing I picked up McCoy a few weeks ago.

Good thing I dropped McCoy last week.

As an Iggles fan, I have to say McCoy has not been nearly as productive as Westbrook. He's used like Westy, but he does not perform like Westy (few do, IMO). In other words, I expect RB1 production from a healthy Westbrook. I expect RB2 production from McCoy. McCoy - 59 carries, 212 yards, 3.6 YPC, 1 TDWesty - 41 carries, 197 yards, 4.8 YPC, 1 TDMcCoy - 13 Rec, 92 yards, 7.1 YPR, 0 TDWesty - 17 Rec, 130 yards, 7.6 YPR, 1 TDWesty is FAR better in pass protection also-not unexpected given McCoy is a rookie.

Yeah, I was not very impressed with McCoy the other night. I think calling him a #2 RB, is being generous.

 

[renesauz]

Yeah, I was not very impressed with McCoy the other night. I think calling him a #2 RB, is being generous.

There were no holes for him to run through either. He was met at or behind the LOS on virtually every carry. For all the problems the Skins have, defense really isn't one of them.

 

[The Future Champs]

I don't think you quite understand the severity of what a concussion means to the well being of a person's immediate health as well as their future health. Once you get a concussion, you have an increased chance of getting another. It is very serious.

No, I guess I don't. I appreciate the information though. I also don't understand how some players get them and play the next week even in this age of a concussion-sensitive NFL. I guess there are varying severities or the term is just thrown around too loosely?

Read this....and watch the video....60 minutes segment. http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/10/08/...in5371686.shtml

and do a Google search on "Second Impact Syndrome" (not sure if that was mentioned in this CBS piece). Concussions are serious business, and a lot of people don't realize that and seem think think they are something along the lines of a bruised arm or leg, and that you should just play through the pain--if you do there could be serious short or long-term consequences. They are bad, bad news, and the severity apparently varies tremendously from person to person and hit to hit. I suspect it is likely very difficult to determine how long a person will be out with one ahead of time, you just have to evaluate them on a day-to-day or week-to-week basis.

 

[One]

Good thing I picked up McCoy a few weeks ago.

Good thing I dropped McCoy last week.

As an Iggles fan, I have to say McCoy has not been nearly as productive as Westbrook. He's used like Westy, but he does not perform like Westy (few do, IMO). In other words, I expect RB1 production from a healthy Westbrook. I expect RB2 production from McCoy. McCoy - 59 carries, 212 yards, 3.6 YPC, 1 TDWesty - 41 carries, 197 yards, 4.8 YPC, 1 TDMcCoy - 13 Rec, 92 yards, 7.1 YPR, 0 TDWesty - 17 Rec, 130 yards, 7.6 YPR, 1 TDWesty is FAR better in pass protection also-not unexpected given McCoy is a rookie.

McNabb and Westbrook share a brain in the passing game. It seems NcNabb can direct and hit Westy in stride with his passesMcCoy is still stop-catch-juke-decide-go. Just not as fluid so he ends up leaving a lot more yards on the field.

 

[Mighty Mice]

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/rumors/post/Ea...?urn=nfl,198681

Wed Oct 28, 2009 6:42 am EDT

Eagles' Westbrook back on Sunday after concussion?

By Mark J. Miller

Philadelphia Eagles running back Brian Westbrook(notes) took a knee to the head during the first quarter of Monday night's victory against the Washington Redskins that knocked him out and causes some memory loss. But Eagles head coach Andy Reid is apparently not convinced that Westbrook will be out of the lineup next Sunday when his Birds take on the archrival New York Giants.

Reid is supposedly "counting on" Westbrook being there. Well, he better get a new plan because doctors seem to be doubtful that he'll be ready to put his head back into a helmet before Sunday's faceoff, according to Philly.com.

"Right now, I'm counting on he'll be there, and I know he'll want to be there, so there is a fine line there because this guy is so competitive that he wants to be out there every minute," Reid said last night.

Meanwhile, former Eagles and Philadelphia Flyers doc Art Bartolozzi told the Philadelphia Inquirer that Westbrook will not only likely miss the Giants matchup but also the one the following week against the Dallas Cowboys.

"If he was unconscious, he is probably out at least a few weeks," Bartolozzi said. "The brain is like a computer. Amnesia means the hard drive has been shaken. If you lose data, it tells you something is wrong with the computer."

Source: Philly.comPhiladelphia Inquirer

Related: Dallas Cowboys, New York Giants, Philadelphia Eagles, Washington Redskins

I agree with the doc, as a fan. I would rather see him not rushed back this week. However, concussions are wierd. Type A) Some are so severe the player needs to be sent to the hospital, are unable to walk, are often vomiting, etc. That is the exact situation that happened to Tebow this year, and he was back in two weeks.

Type B) Players are removed from the game but are walking around on the sidelines during the game with no medical personnel near them, no vomiting, etc. This is what happened Westbrook. He was on the sidelines in the 4th smiling and joking with teammates, and apparantly felt 'ok'.

Seems to have knocked him out momentarily, but most the symptoms point more towards the latter type of lesser grade concussion

More clarity by Thursday for sure, but I'm glad it looks like a lesser blow than some (Priest Holmes) recieved.

 

[scrumptrulescent]

I'd guess we'd be getting more information as the week goes on including post-concussion symptoms he's dealing with (at the very least, a brutal headache). I wouldn't be surprised at all if he misses week 8 but is back the next week.

 

[Native]

I dont think anyone is really expecting Westbrook to play this week. Nonetheless, heres the latest from Adam Caplan via Twitter: "westbrook watching practice with jersey on no helmet"

 

[certificate]

I dont think anyone is really expecting Westbrook to play this week. Nonetheless, heres the latest from Adam Caplan via Twitter: "westbrook watching practice with jersey on no helmet"

Holy crap, the guy has a severe concussion and they put him out there without a helmet?Another stupid move by Reid et al.

 

[KoolKat]

I dont think anyone is really expecting Westbrook to play this week. Nonetheless, heres the latest from Adam Caplan via Twitter: "westbrook watching practice with jersey on no helmet"

Holy crap, the guy has a severe concussion and they put him out there without a helmet?Another stupid move by Reid et al.

 

[the spanker]

Does anyone think this could affect possibly Westy's value for the rest of the season in PPR? I aquired him in a trade last week partly because I already had McCoy.

 

[Eviloutsider]

Does Westbrook have any history of concussions?

 

[Mighty Mice]

Does Westbrook have any history of concussions?

No, never had one reported before. Looks like he really is feeling ok. News updates have me thinking he truly is feeling better. At least it doesn't look like it will impact him past this week's game, IMO. If anything, it will keep his legs fresh and knees/ankles pain free for weeks 10-16 when I absolutely need a productive BWest. (Rotoworld) Brian Westbrook's (concussion) headache is reportedly gone, and he will begin aerobic workouts on Friday.

 

[Eviloutsider]

I feel like he will be playing. From all the reports, it seems like they are leaning that way.

 

[scrumptrulescent]

I feel like he will be playing. From all the reports, it seems like they are leaning that way.

He'll be playing................next week. From all the reports I read, he's sitting this week. Philly just doesn't want to completely tip their hand to the Giants.

 

[BR33ZE]

black dot

 

[TobiasFunke]

I feel like he will be playing. From all the reports, it seems like they are leaning that way.

That's my gut, too from what I've read. But it's worth noting that we're talking about a real quick turnaround here, from a Monday night game to a Sunday 1 PM start. This might be a mild concussion, but it's also a real short week.

 

[trader jake]

I feel like he will be playing. From all the reports, it seems like they are leaning that way.

I feel the opposite. The prudent move is to keep him out this week and I think the Eagles have gone forward this week with that in mind. Yes, it is an important divisional game but playing Westbrook 6 days after he suffered a concussion just doesn't make sense. Nor does letting the Giants know he won't be playing any sooner than they have to.The Eagles season isn't about a week 8 match-up...it's about making noise in the playoffs. The best way to do that is with a healthy Westbrook and playing him this week may help the Eagles win the battle but it probably hurts win the war. He'll sit.

 

[Trap Play]

Westbrook owner here... I think there's virtually no chance he plays this week. All the reports I've seen come out of the Eagles seem like a poorly disguised attempt to make the Giants prepare for Westbrook even though he won't play. The whole thing is pretty silly really, as I doubt it changes the Giants game plan much at all either way.

 

[rvmblack]

People are completely ignoring the fact..He had a concussion. Not a little tap on the knee. He suffered a concussion.

He is not playing

 

[Wyld Stallyns]

As a Westbrook owner with the McCoy handcuff, I'm just scared of the worst case scenario: the GTD turns into a last minute "He's playing and starting!" which will inevitably mean him and McCoy will split time and then both backs are instantly way less usable.

Hoping they rest him till he's completely ready.

 

[Buffaloes]

As a Westbrook owner with the McCoy handcuff, I'm just scared of the worst case scenario: the GTD turns into a last minute "He's playing and starting!" which will inevitably mean him and McCoy will split time and then both backs are instantly way less usable.Hoping they rest him till he's completely ready.

This is what I'm thinking too.

 

[Oh Yes!]

Westbrook owner here... I think there's virtually no chance he plays this week. All the reports I've seen come out of the Eagles seem like a poorly disguised attempt to make the Giants prepare for Westbrook even though he won't play. The whole thing is pretty silly really, as I doubt it changes the Giants game plan much at all either way.

id blitz a hell of a lot more with mccoy in there