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Brodney Pool or Sean Jones? (1 Viewer)

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Looks like they are neck in neck to win the spot opposite Russell. FBG has Pool rated before Jones. So is the consensus that Pool will win out over Jones?

Newly acquired owner of B Pool. :popcorn:

Browns | Competition for strong safety spot - from www.KFFL.com

Sun, 18 Jun 2006 09:39:06 -0700

Steve King, of ClevelandBrowns.com, reports Cleveland Browns SS Brodney Pool and SS Sean Jones are in a battle for the starting strong safety spot opposite of FS Brian Russell.

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Browns | Pool and Jones to slug it out at strong safety - from www.KFFL.com

Sun, 11 Jun 2006 19:03:20 -0700

Mary Kay Cabot, of the Cleveland Plain Dealer, reports Cleveland Browns head coach Romeo Crennel said the strong safety battle between S Brodney Pool and S Sean Jones promises to be good. "Right now they're neck and neck and it should go right down to the wire," Crennel said. "They're both getting reps and competing well."

 
Sean Jones is probably built more like a SS than Poole, but Poole...

1) Is a better athlete

2) Offers better pass protection

3) Does not have an injury history (Jones tore ACL rookie year)

4) Was a Romeo pick

Pool will win the job. I am, however, still shocked that Brian Russell continues to start. I would personally have Pool be my starting FS and Jones as my SS.

 
Sean Jones is probably built more like a SS than Poole, but Poole...

1) Is a better athlete

2) Offers better pass protection

3) Does not have an injury history (Jones tore ACL rookie year)

4) Was a Romeo pick

Pool will win the job. I am, however, still shocked that Brian Russell continues to start. I would personally have Pool be my starting FS and Jones as my SS.
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I think they like Russell's ability to make defensive calls and dont want to start what is essentially two second year players. I see Jones phasing in, Russell phasing out, and Pool receiving quite a bit of time as he becomes a leader in the secondary ...Either way, all three will receive a lot of playing time and Cle will rotate them around ...

 
Color me purple, as it appears Jones is leading Pool for the SS gig.

link:

http://www.daytondailynews.com/sports/cont...xsvc=7&cxcat=38
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This lends more credence to Poole taking Russell's job. Maybe not from the get go, but I just can't see Russell keeping this job all year long. Maybe if their was absolutely no other option, but with Poole possibly waiting in the wings Russell will be valuable depth at some point.
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Im an IDP and Forum NOOB. Does these mean I should try to trade pool and maybe pick up jones? Will Pool still have the same value his ability says he should have even if hes playing FS? I was thinking of trying to trade him and then picking up Hou DB Earl who I've been hearing good things about, Det D. Bullocks, Mia Re. Hill, or NO R. Harper. I also have Josh Bullocks, and if he's playing FS I pretty much have the same question about him. Would I be better off with Harper if hes eventually going to play SS? Im in a dynasty league and my team has NO chance to win this year. Im just trying to rebuild my defense, which at this point looks alot like this...DL L. Hill

DB D. Bullocks

DB M. McCree

DB J. Bullocks

DB K. Jennings

DL E. Henderson

DL C. Crowder

DL D. Freeney

DL A. Hargrove

BN B. Pool

BN C. Chavous

BN J. Ulbrich

BN A. Fincher

BN T. Howard

PS: any other help with this roster would be great too. Im considering trading Henderson, trying to trade Ulbrich, Chavous, McCree, but no one seems to want to give me much for them. Im kinda lost at this point.

 
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Color me purple, as it appears Jones is leading Pool for the SS gig.

link:

http://www.daytondailynews.com/sports/cont...xsvc=7&cxcat=38
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This lends more credence to Poole taking Russell's job. Maybe not from the get go, but I just can't see Russell keeping this job all year long. Maybe if their was absolutely no other option, but with Poole possibly waiting in the wings Russell will be valuable depth at some point.
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Im an IDP and Forum NOOB. Does these mean I should try to trade pool and maybe pick up jones? Will Pool still have the same value his ability says he should have even if hes playing FS? I was thinking of trying to trade him and then picking up Hou DB Earl who I've been hearing good things about, Det D. Bullocks, Mia Re. Hill, or NO R. Harper. I also have Josh Bullocks, and if he's playing FS I pretty much have the same question about him. Would I be better off with Harper if hes eventually going to play SS? Im in a dynasty league and my team has NO chance to win this year. Im just trying to rebuild my defense, which at this point looks alot like this...DL L. Hill

DB D. Bullocks

DB M. McCree

DB J. Bullocks

DB K. Jennings

DL E. Henderson

DL C. Crowder

DL D. Freeney

DL A. Hargrove

BN B. Pool

BN C. Chavous

BN J. Ulbrich

BN A. Fincher

BN T. Howard

PS: any other help with this roster would be great too. Im considering trading Henderson, trying to trade Ulbrich, Chavous, McCree, but no one seems to want to give me much for them. Im kinda lost at this point.
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Really need to more about scoring system, how many you start and so on ... butI would hang on to Pool for now, still early. I'm pretty high on Roman Harper. Definatley hang on to Fincher.

 
Color me purple, as it appears Jones is leading Pool for the SS gig.

link:

http://www.daytondailynews.com/sports/cont...xsvc=7&cxcat=38
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This lends more credence to Poole taking Russell's job. Maybe not from the get go, but I just can't see Russell keeping this job all year long. Maybe if their was absolutely no other option, but with Poole possibly waiting in the wings Russell will be valuable depth at some point.
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Im an IDP and Forum NOOB. Does these mean I should try to trade pool and maybe pick up jones? Will Pool still have the same value his ability says he should have even if hes playing FS? I was thinking of trying to trade him and then picking up Hou DB Earl who I've been hearing good things about, Det D. Bullocks, Mia Re. Hill, or NO R. Harper. I also have Josh Bullocks, and if he's playing FS I pretty much have the same question about him. Would I be better off with Harper if hes eventually going to play SS? Im in a dynasty league and my team has NO chance to win this year. Im just trying to rebuild my defense, which at this point looks alot like this...DL L. Hill

DB D. Bullocks

DB M. McCree

DB J. Bullocks

DB K. Jennings

DL E. Henderson

DL C. Crowder

DL D. Freeney

DL A. Hargrove

BN B. Pool

BN C. Chavous

BN J. Ulbrich

BN A. Fincher

BN T. Howard

PS: any other help with this roster would be great too. Im considering trading Henderson, trying to trade Ulbrich, Chavous, McCree, but no one seems to want to give me much for them. Im kinda lost at this point.
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Reverse your train of thought. When perceived value < actual value, you should be acquiring guys like Brodney Pool (for example). Don't trade him when his value is low.No matter how you cut it, your D is looking very very weak. Other than Freeney, you probably don't have a Top-20 guy at any position. It's gonna be tough. If I were you, just accept that you're team is not built to win "now" and focus on 2-3 years from now by keeping guys like Pool, Bullocks, Hill, etc.

 
Heres our scoring system

Completions (.5)

Passing Yards (15 yards per point)

Passing Touchdowns (10)

Interceptions (-3)

Rushing Attempts (.5)

Rushing Yards (5 yards per point)

Rushing Touchdowns (10)

Receptions (1)

Reception Yards (4 yards per point)

Reception Touchdowns (10)

Return Touchdowns (20)

2-Point Conversions (3)

Fumbles Lost (-3)

Offensive Fumble Return TD (20)

Field Goals 0-19 Yards (5)

Field Goals 20-29 Yards (6)

Field Goals 30-39 Yards (8)

Field Goals 40-49 Yards (12)

Field Goals 50+ Yards (15)

Point After Attempt Made (2)

Tackle Solo (3)

Tackle Assist (1)

Sack (10)

Interception (15)

Fumble Force (15)

Fumble Recovery (10)

Touchdown (20)

Safety (20)

Pass Defended (2)

Block Kick (20)

Its yahoo (i cant afford buy in leagues right now.) We start two Util D, 3DB, 4DL(lb's, dts, de's).

Yea, im definitely resolute in the fact that im not winning this year and am trying to build for the future. Thats why im curious as to who has more value in the future, fs's like pool and bullocks, or their current young ss counterparts jones and harper (even though harper isnt starting yet.)

Ive been targetting guys like D. Bullocks, D. Manning, Phi McCoy, Was Macintosh, Hou DB Earl, or whoever fills in for harrison in NE maybe? But you get the just.

And ive been looking to trade guys like ulbrich, mccree, chavous, (just traded de. smith), or possibly EJ henderson. But to be honest ive been reading so many reports on these guys, i cant tell whos value is what and when (im pretty much idp noob). I guess thats kinda what i needed help on. Like does henderson have what it takes to be a good MLB? So yea.... first off I guess do I go with the SS or the young FS like pool or bullocks? and is mccoy going to be better than fincher or hill?

 
brakeyawself said:
Im an IDP and Forum NOOB. Does these mean I should try to trade pool and maybe pick up jones? Will Pool still have the same value his ability says he should have even if hes playing FS? I was thinking of trying to trade him and then picking up Hou DB Earl who I've been hearing good things about, Det D. Bullocks, Mia Re. Hill, or NO R. Harper. I also have Josh Bullocks, and if he's playing FS I pretty much have the same question about him. Would I be better off with Harper if hes eventually going to play SS? Im in a dynasty league and my team has NO chance to win this year. Im just trying to rebuild my defense, which at this point looks alot like this...

This is the key statement to me. Many dynasty owners get themselves further into trouble by not recognizing this or not committing to a rebuilding process. If that statement is true, every move you make this year should be to better your team for the 2007-2008 window, even if it hurts you this season. No one should be untouchable if the package makes your team better for 2007. Do a search for the threads started by WhoDat last year on rebuilding a dynasty team. He was in a very similar situation and detailed every trade, draft pick, and waiver pick on the path to one heck of a rebuilding job. Great read.

DL L. Hill

DB D. Bullocks

DB M. McCree

DB J. Bullocks

DB K. Jennings

DL E. Henderson

DL C. Crowder

DL D. Freeney

DL A. Hargrove

BN B. Pool

BN C. Chavous

BN J. Ulbrich

BN A. Fincher

BN T. Howard

In your situation, I want talent. If it isn't in the greatest situation yet, so what, neither are you. The only player I'd definitely hold here is Crowder. But I'd also look to hold Hill, both Bullocks, Hargrove, Pool, Fincher, and Howard as well. You might want to watch Henderson and McCree but those guys will never be top 15 talent. At this point if anyone offers you anything for Ulbrich or Chavous, I'm taking it. And I'm actively shopping Freeney. Play up your scoring system giving 10 points for sacks. It's still barely more than 3x greater than tackles and I'd bet that Freeney barely cracked the top 20 last year.

PS: any other help with this roster would be great too. Im considering trading Henderson, trying to trade Ulbrich, Chavous, McCree, but no one seems to want to give me much for them. Im kinda lost at this point.
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brakeyawself said:
Heres our scoring system

Completions (.5)

Passing Yards (15 yards per point)

Passing Touchdowns (10)

Interceptions (-3)

Rushing Attempts (.5)

Rushing Yards (5 yards per point)

Rushing Touchdowns (10)

Receptions (1)

Reception Yards (4 yards per point)

Reception Touchdowns (10)

Return Touchdowns (20)

2-Point Conversions (3)

Fumbles Lost (-3)

Offensive Fumble Return TD (20)

Field Goals 0-19 Yards (5)

Field Goals 20-29 Yards (6)

Field Goals 30-39 Yards (8)

Field Goals 40-49 Yards (12)

Field Goals 50+ Yards (15)

Point After Attempt Made (2)

Tackle Solo (3)

Tackle Assist (1)

Sack (10)

Interception (15)

Fumble Force (15)

Fumble Recovery (10)

Touchdown (20)

Safety (20)

Pass Defended (2)

Block Kick (20)

Its yahoo (i cant afford buy in leagues right now.) We start two Util D, 3DB, 4DL(lb's, dts, de's).

Yea, im definitely resolute in the fact that im not winning this year and am trying to build for the future. Thats why im curious as to who has more value in the future, fs's like pool and bullocks, or their current young ss counterparts jones and harper (even though harper isnt starting yet.)

If you don't know yet -- and honestly, neither do we -- get both if you've got the roster space. IMO, Roman Harper has a better chance of finishing in the top 20 in 2007 than Corey Chavous. Failing that, get the better overall talent first. In both of the above cases, it's pretty close. But it's probably Pool and Bullocks.

Ive been targetting guys like D. Bullocks, D. Manning, Phi McCoy, Was Macintosh, Hou DB Earl, or whoever fills in for harrison in NE maybe? But you get the just.

And ive been looking to trade guys like ulbrich, mccree, chavous, (just traded de. smith), or possibly EJ henderson. But to be honest ive been reading so many reports on these guys, i cant tell whos value is what and when (im pretty much idp noob). I guess thats kinda what i needed help on. Like does henderson have what it takes to be a good MLB? So yea.... first off I guess do I go with the SS or the young FS like pool or bullocks? and is mccoy going to be better than fincher or hill?

It gets easier. Shameless shilling be damned, this forum and many, many of the FBG subscriber pieces (Norton's articles, the value plays about to be released, the seven sets of rankings (dynasty and redraft) and reviews of nearly every player worth rostering) will help along the way. Always seems a little overwhelming at first, but once it clicks you'll never go back to any other league setup.
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Browns | B. Pool works with No. 1 defense

Sat, 12 Aug 2006 23:13:14 -0700

Mike McLain, of the Tribune Chronicle, reports Cleveland Browns SS Brodney Pool worked with the No. 1 defense during practice Saturday, Aug. 12.

 
Browns | Jones poised to keep starting job at strong safety

Fri, 25 Aug 2006 15:31:58 -0700

Mary Kay Cabot, of the Cleveland Plain Dealer, reports Cleveland Browns SS Sean Jones finished training camp ahead of SS Brodney Pool as the team's starting strong safety.

 
Tick said:
Dangit, I own both and was hoping to drop one... any suggestions?
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I would think Jones would actually move to FS before Pool if they were going to start both. I dont know though. Go with Jones for now. Coaches say he's won, he's probably won.
 
brakeyawself said:
nortobc said:
Tonight Jones had 0 tackles and Pool led the Browns in tackles.
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Did Pool only play against and on the second team? Or did he see first team duty too? Pools a better talent, im really hopeing he wins out.
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Not sure. I didn't see the game, just saw the stats.
 
brakeyawself said:
nortobc said:
Tonight Jones had 0 tackles and Pool led the Browns in tackles.
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Did Pool only play against and on the second team? Or did he see first team duty too? Pools a better talent, im really hopeing he wins out.
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Pool played some with the ones
 
from KFFL:

Browns | Pool closing the gap at strong safety

Tue, 29 Aug 2006 06:07:01 -0700

Mary Kay Cabot, of the Plain Dealer, reports Cleveland Browns S Brodney Pool closed the gap a little on S Sean Jones in the strong safety battle with a solid performance against the Buffalo Bills. Making his first preseason start, he led the team with five solo tackles, broke up a pass and had good coverage on an incompletion in the end zone. "Pool did a nice job," said head coach Romeo Crennel. "Sean still had a slight edge, but (Pool) made that battle closer." Crennel said he's leaning toward a rotation at the position. "All of those guys (including S Brian Russell) are going to play," he said. "It's like I've got three starters there."
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Three starters? :Dooh:
 
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Donnybrook said:
from KFFL:

Browns | Pool closing the gap at strong safety

Tue, 29 Aug 2006 06:07:01 -0700

Mary Kay Cabot, of the Plain Dealer, reports Cleveland Browns S Brodney Pool closed the gap a little on S Sean Jones in the strong safety battle with a solid performance against the Buffalo Bills. Making his first preseason start, he led the team with five solo tackles, broke up a pass and had good coverage on an incompletion in the end zone. "Pool did a nice job," said head coach Romeo Crennel. "Sean still had a slight edge, but (Pool) made that battle closer." Crennel said he's leaning toward a rotation at the position. "All of those guys (including S Brian Russell) are going to play," he said. "It's like I've got three starters there."
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Three starters? :Dooh:
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How long into the season you think they'd keep this rotation going ? Dont teams like to settle on someone by midway?
 
brakeyawself said:
Donnybrook said:
from KFFL:

Browns | Pool closing the gap at strong safety

Tue, 29 Aug 2006 06:07:01 -0700

Mary Kay Cabot, of the Plain Dealer, reports Cleveland Browns S Brodney Pool closed the gap a little on S Sean Jones in the strong safety battle with a solid performance against the Buffalo Bills. Making his first preseason start, he led the team with five solo tackles, broke up a pass and had good coverage on an incompletion in the end zone. "Pool did a nice job," said head coach Romeo Crennel. "Sean still had a slight edge, but (Pool) made that battle closer." Crennel said he's leaning toward a rotation at the position. "All of those guys (including S Brian Russell) are going to play," he said. "It's like I've got three starters there."
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Three starters? :Dooh:
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How long into the season you think they'd keep this rotation going ? Dont teams like to settle on someone by midway?
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I'm sure the team (and the players) would like the situation to be settled. It's not quite the same as rotating defensive tackles, since the flow of the game isn't quite as important as fresh legs in the trenches. When the two young-ins prove themselves more valuable than Russell, they'll play.And rotation probably doesn't mean a two series in, one series out type of thing in this situation. It's more likely to be offensive personnel and situation dependent. Since the Browns aren't likely to have a big lead much, I'd speculate that the better run stopper (SS) ends up with the majority of snaps in rotation. That's Sean Jones. We'll see if he in fact holds the most value during the first month of the season.

 
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brakeyawself said:
The Man With No Name said:
Pool starting at strong safety and Jones at free safety in tonights finale preseason game.
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I dont know how to read that. Is that pretty much saying thats probably how its going to be during the season too?
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I had always heard it was the 3rd preseason game that was the dress rehearsal for the regular season and Pool didn't start. Could be they are just trying out another combination to see what might work or not work. :confused:
 
FYI

Browns | Russell had procedure done - KFFLSat, 2 Sep 2006 23:03:57 -0700Mike McLain, of the Tribune-Chronicle, reports Cleveland Browns S Brian Russell (elbow) had a procedure performed last Friday, Aug. 25, to remove the bursa sac from an elbow. His status for the season opener isn't clear at this time.
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Donnybrook said:
FYI

Browns | Russell had procedure done - KFFLSat, 2 Sep 2006 23:03:57 -0700Mike McLain, of the Tribune-Chronicle, reports Cleveland Browns S Brian Russell (elbow) had a procedure performed last Friday, Aug. 25, to remove the bursa sac from an elbow. His status for the season opener isn't clear at this time.
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That why pool started at ss in the last preseason game?
 
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