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Broncos as the #4 seed (1 Viewer)

Tom Servo

Tom Servo

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They started off bad, had a great stretch going 7-1 with Tim Tebow at QB, then lost three in a row to finish at 8-8. And egad, I think both the Chiefs and Broncos set football back 15 years with that 7-3 game yesterday. The Broncos needed help from the Raiders to back into a division title. Gotta believe the Steelers are going to crush Tebow this weekend. They probably scheduled it for Sunday at 4:30 so no one will see the carnage.

So, worst 4 seed ever? I gotta think so. :towelwave:

 
'Tom Servo said:
They started off bad, had a great stretch going 7-1 with Tim Tebow at QB, then lost three in a row to finish at 8-8. And egad, I think both the Chiefs and Broncos set football back 15 years with that 7-3 game yesterday. The Broncos needed help from the Raiders to back into a division title. Gotta believe the Steelers are going to crush Tebow this weekend. They probably scheduled it for Sunday at 4:30 so no one will see the carnage.So, worst 4 seed ever? I gotta think so. :towelwave:
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Seahawks last year got in at 7-9 but did beat the Saints at home in the playoffs.Can Tebow pull off another miracle? :excited:
 
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Seattle was worse last year, regardless of whether the Broncos lose this coming Sunday or not. 7-9 is worse than 8-8, and all nine of Seattle's losses last year were by double digits.

 
'tom22406 said:
'Tom Servo said:
They started off bad, had a great stretch going 7-1 with Tim Tebow at QB, then lost three in a row to finish at 8-8. And egad, I think both the Chiefs and Broncos set football back 15 years with that 7-3 game yesterday. The Broncos needed help from the Raiders to back into a division title. Gotta believe the Steelers are going to crush Tebow this weekend. They probably scheduled it for Sunday at 4:30 so no one will see the carnage.

So, worst 4 seed ever? I gotta think so. :towelwave:
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Seahawks last year got in at 7-9 but did beat the Saints at home in the playoffs.Can Tebow pull off another miracle? :excited:
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The Steelers did not exactly look like the 2000 Rams 2011 Saints there against the Browns themselves.Plus Pit just lost Mendenhall and Roethlisberger is doing his Statue of Liberty imitation these days.

That 7-3 game was right up the Broncos' alley, they just didn't execute. If they get another one of those next week they might just pull it off.

 
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So when they win next weekend, what does that say about the Steelers that they got beat by the worst #4 seed ever?

Just asking because anything can happen in the playoffs.

 
The 1986 Jets opened 10-1, and were demolishing everyone. The Giants had opened 9-2. Everyone was talking New York-New York Super Bowl. How would they handle two New York home playoff games in the conference title games?

Then, the Jets lost 5 in a row. They were the first team to limp into the playoffs on a 5 game losing streak. Made it as a wild card. They demolished the Chiefs in the wild card game. Then they went to 12-4 Cleveland and played a great game for 58 minutes up 20-10. Then in the last two minutes they imploded, the Browns rallied to tie it 20-20, and won in double OT.

 
'BusterTBronco said:
The Broncos stink and have no business being in the playoffs. What a sorry state of affairs in the AFC West.
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:goodposting:The AFC West "Champion" *cough cough" should have had to forfeit their spot in the playoffs to a more deserving Tennessee Titans team.
 
I don't get the notion that the AFCW is the worst division in the NFL, it simply isn't true. There was no weakling in this division this year. The worst team was 7-9, including a win vs GB.

AFCN: 37-27

NFCN: 36-28

AFCE: 33-31

NFCS: 33-31

AFCW: 31-33

NFCE: 30-34

NFCW: 30-34

AFCS: 26-38

AFCW faced NFCN and AFCE as well, so there was some tough competition.

The Broncos did not have the pleasure of two games vs Indy or JAX. Broncos only had one game vs a team with less than 5 wins.

When all teams are fairly close, there will be lots of "canceling out" that happens...that's what happened in the AFCW this year.

 
'moleculo said:
I don't get the notion that the AFCW is the worst division in the NFL, it simply isn't true. There was no weakling in this division this year. The worst team was 7-9, including a win vs GB. AFCN: 37-27NFCN: 36-28AFCE: 33-31NFCS: 33-31AFCW: 31-33NFCE: 30-34NFCW: 30-34AFCS: 26-38AFCW faced NFCN and AFCE as well, so there was some tough competition.The Broncos did not have the pleasure of two games vs Indy or JAX. Broncos only had one game vs a team with less than 5 wins. When all teams are fairly close, there will be lots of "canceling out" that happens...that's what happened in the AFCW this year.
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A bag of rocks is still a bag of rocks. Mediocre.
 
I want the Steelers to win, but sports fans are going overboard (as usual).

Who gave Seattle a chance to beat NO last year??

 
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'jon_mx said:
People are underestimating Denver's chances.
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Agreed. I think the Steelers will win, but they aren't playing that well right now either. If the Broncos score the upset, it won't be that much of a surprise. The Broncos can get after the QB, and with Roethlisberger not quite as mobile as usual, don't be surprised if he gets hit a lot and a few turnovers are the result. You can pretty much guarantee that the Broncos will have about a 90/10 run pass ratio. :lol:
'duaneok66 said:
I want the Steelers to win, but sports fans are going overboard (as usual). Who gave Seattle a chance to beat NO last year??
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Exactly.
 
'moleculo said:
I don't get the notion that the AFCW is the worst division in the NFL, it simply isn't true. There was no weakling in this division this year. The worst team was 7-9, including a win vs GB. AFCN: 37-27NFCN: 36-28AFCE: 33-31NFCS: 33-31AFCW: 31-33NFCE: 30-34NFCW: 30-34AFCS: 26-38AFCW faced NFCN and AFCE as well, so there was some tough competition.The Broncos did not have the pleasure of two games vs Indy or JAX. Broncos only had one game vs a team with less than 5 wins. When all teams are fairly close, there will be lots of "canceling out" that happens...that's what happened in the AFCW this year.
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Interesting numbers - especially for both Northern Divisions. While I'll agree that there was no weakling in the AFC West this season, there was no stand-out either compared to other divisions or days of old. Every division this year except the AFC West has post-season teams with records higher than .500 - the NFC East is a close second with the NYG at .563. I think this is why many say that the AFCW is one of the worst ever.
 
As far as 4 seed/division champs go I think the Broncos are the worst ever.

I disagree that Seattle was a worse team. Better balance, better running game. It will be fun watching Polamalu eat Tebow for lunch all day Sunday.

Yet I also disagree about the Titans deserving the spot more than Denver. The AFC South is junk now and they got to beat up on some crappy divisional teams while having an easy schedule as well. And if not for Jake Delhomme yesterday they wouldn't have even been in that game.

Lessons learned hopefully for the Chargers, Raiders and Jets. All way better teams than Denver and Tennessee.

 
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Pittsburgh isn't an impressive 12-4 either. They beat New England, but lost to San Fran, Baltimore twice, and Houston.

Their wins other than NE were against teams they should be beating.

 
'ckalltheway said:
As far as 4 seed/division champs go I think the Broncos are the worst ever.I disagree that Seattle was a worse team. Better balance, better running game. It will be fun watching Polamalu eat Tebow for lunch all day Sunday.Yet I also disagree about the Titans deserving the spot more than Denver. The AFC South is junk now and they got to beat up on some crappy divisional teams while having an easy schedule as well. And if not for Jake Delhomme yesterday they wouldn't have even been in that game.Lessons learned hopefully for the Chargers, Raiders and Jets. All way better teams than Denver and Tennessee.
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Funny you mention Chargers, raiders, & Jets... None of these teams could beat Broncos w/ Tebow.I'm assuming you meant 2010Seattle was a better passing team?
 
That's true and completely mindblowing due to those teams inconsistencies but I'd take them and the Eagles over the Broncos still.

Broncos fans should enjoy this as it's the last playoff sniff they'll get for a long time. The Raiders and Chargers will be better next year.

I'm also pretty sure that any other team that made the playoffs in the history of the NFL is a better passing team than the 2011 Broncos but the running game and D line is what won it for Seattle last year.

 
'ckalltheway said:
That's true and completely mindblowing due to those teams inconsistencies but I'd take them and the Eagles over the Broncos still.

Broncos fans should enjoy this as it's the last playoff sniff they'll get for a long time. The Raiders and Chargers will be better next year.

I'm also pretty sure that any other team that made the playoffs in the history of the NFL is a better passing team than the 2011 Broncos but the running game and D line is what won it for Seattle last year.
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And the Broncos won't? Hue Jackson was a familiar face in Oakland and Turner has been there for years in SD and watched as John Fox came in to win the division with no offseason preparation.

The Broncos will be much better with an offseason to work with Tebow, whether he is their starting QB or converted into a situational H-Back/QB with packages.

 
The Cardinals were regarded as one of the worst playoff teams ever (#4 seed) back in 2008/2009. They were a minute and change away from winning the Super Bowl.

 
'NJDawgPound said:
Pittsburgh isn't an impressive 12-4 either. They beat New England, but lost to San Fran, Baltimore twice, and Houston. Their wins other than NE were against teams they should be beating.
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New England isn't an impressive 13-3, either. They beat Denver, but lost to PIT and NYG and BUF. Their wins other than DEN were against teams they should be beating.
 
'Chase Stuart said:
'NJDawgPound said:
Pittsburgh isn't an impressive 12-4 either. They beat New England, but lost to San Fran, Baltimore twice, and Houston. Their wins other than NE were against teams they should be beating.
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New England isn't an impressive 13-3, either. They beat Denver, but lost to PIT and NYG and BUF. Their wins other than DEN were against teams they should be beating.
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Agreed. Each AFC team has flaws. Serious ones.
 
'NJDawgPound said:
Pittsburgh isn't an impressive 12-4 either. They beat New England, but lost to San Fran, Baltimore twice, and Houston. Their wins other than NE were against teams they should be beating.
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Fortunately they get to play the Browns twice every year.
 
'Frenchy Fuqua said:
'NJDawgPound said:
Pittsburgh isn't an impressive 12-4 either. They beat New England, but lost to San Fran, Baltimore twice, and Houston. Their wins other than NE were against teams they should be beating.
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Fortunately they get to play the Browns twice every year.
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Yeah, our ineptness kind of masks the poor coaching decisions coming from over there with the exception of LeBeau.
 
'Raider Nation said:
Denver has one chance in this game: Unexpectedly start Brady Quinn, put him in the shotgun, and go 5-wide for 60 minutes.So... they have no chance.
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This is closer than you think. I don't think Fox will hesitate at ALL if Tebow goes 3 and out through the first quarter. He won't start, but I bet he's playing by the start of the third quarter... unless Tebow plays better. The playoffs are not the place to leave anything on the bench. I wouldn't be surprised if they mixed some series.I still think they'll lose, but it's not going to be without some serious theatrical flare (and not Tebows).
 
'charlatan said:
'Raider Nation said:
Denver has one chance in this game: Unexpectedly start Brady Quinn, put him in the shotgun, and go 5-wide for 60 minutes.So... they have no chance.
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This is closer than you think. I don't think Fox will hesitate at ALL if Tebow goes 3 and out through the first quarter. He won't start, but I bet he's playing by the start of the third quarter... unless Tebow plays better. The playoffs are not the place to leave anything on the bench. I wouldn't be surprised if they mixed some series.I still think they'll lose, but it's not going to be without some serious theatrical flare (and not Tebows).
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:lmao: No way Quinn sniffs the field unless Tebow gets raptured.
 
'charlatan said:
'Raider Nation said:
Denver has one chance in this game: Unexpectedly start Brady Quinn, put him in the shotgun, and go 5-wide for 60 minutes.So... they have no chance.
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This is closer than you think. I don't think Fox will hesitate at ALL if Tebow goes 3 and out through the first quarter. He won't start, but I bet he's playing by the start of the third quarter... unless Tebow plays better. The playoffs are not the place to leave anything on the bench. I wouldn't be surprised if they mixed some series.I still think they'll lose, but it's not going to be without some serious theatrical flare (and not Tebows).
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"Not the place to leave anything on the bench"? What exactly has Quinn done up to this point?
 
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'azgroover said:
The Cardinals were regarded as one of the worst playoff teams ever (#4 seed) back in 2008/2009. They were a minute and change away from winning the Super Bowl.
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:goodposting:They did have a QB who had been there before and cruised in a weaker division. They were on auto-pilot at least the last 3 weeks of the regular season and didn't back in like the Broncos.
 
'Spanky24 said:
'charlatan said:
'Raider Nation said:
Denver has one chance in this game:

Unexpectedly start Brady Quinn, put him in the shotgun, and go 5-wide for 60 minutes.

So... they have no chance.
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This is closer than you think. I don't think Fox will hesitate at ALL if Tebow goes 3 and out through the first quarter. He won't start, but I bet he's playing by the start of the third quarter... unless Tebow plays better. The playoffs are not the place to leave anything on the bench. I wouldn't be surprised if they mixed some series.I still think they'll lose, but it's not going to be without some serious theatrical flare (and not Tebows).
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"Not the place to leave anything on the bench"? What exactly has Quinn done up to this point?
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Nothing, but it's almost better than what Tebow has done recently. What I meant to say is, you play the opponent once, and the alternative to winning is going home. No one thought the Broncos would be even close to the playoffs this year, yet here we are. If a player is stinking it up, any player, I think in the playoffs the coach has full license to put someone else in if he thinks it can help win the game.I still think Tebow will play, but if it looks like the last few games when it comes to open receivers not getting a sniff of the ball, he'll pull him for Quinn. Maybe for a few series, maybe for the game.

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I should say that I think most of Tebow's issues are in his head at this point. The Chicago game is where I *think* it may have started, and we should not have won that game (others are debatable as well), but something outside of mechanics is going on. He just won't throw it, and if he does, it's way too late. There were guys open, plenty of them, and he held the ball. Phil Simms pointed many of them out. He needs to get his head straight and quick.

Maybe he just needs the company of a woman for an evening?

 
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Denver in my opinion is easily the worst playoff team ever, they have the talent of a 4 win team and had a very lucky streak of wins that got them to 8-8, took break after break.....Seattle last year was a legit 7-9 team and has the home advantage of all home advantages that led them to beat the saints. Denver really won't have a home field advantage in this one with the following the Steelers have and i'm thinking probably a 27-3 or 34-3 blowout. Tebow has regressed massively over the past few weeks and everyone has him figured out now and won't go to a prevent style defense on him anymore to allow him to actually complete passes.

 
'kolejo said:
Denver in my opinion is easily the worst playoff team ever, they have the talent of a 4 win team and had a very lucky streak of wins that got them to 8-8, took break after break.....Seattle last year was a legit 7-9 team and has the home advantage of all home advantages that led them to beat the saints. Denver really won't have a home field advantage in this one with the following the Steelers have and i'm thinking probably a 27-3 or 34-3 blowout. Tebow has regressed massively over the past few weeks and everyone has him figured out now and won't go to a prevent style defense on him anymore to allow him to actually complete passes.
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Im my opinion this has been the difference. If the teams he beat during his win streak would have done this they would not be in the playoffs. With that said they didn't he is in and he will find it rough sleding against the top NFL defense. But hey if Pittsburgh comes in taking this game lightly they could be surprised.
 
They're not as bad as the Seahawks last year, but they are close and probably a smidge worse than then 2004 Rams, who would've been the other team in the conversation.

-81 point differential

-12 turnover differential

25th in offense (points)

24th in defense (points)

 
The Steelers are reeling with injuries but still should be able to beat Denver as long as they don't turn the ball over.

The problem is the Steelers turnover ratio this season is abysmal.

 
Its a terrible roster with terrible stats playing against terrible competition and is coming in losing 3 straight. I would say the ingredients are there.

The point spread means nothing to me in this game. When it gets bad for Denver, it gets really bad. A blowout wouldn't surprise me. With that said, I don't think Pitts wants to be in a tight game with Tebow down the stretch. He is too much of a wild card.

 
'The_Man said:
'King of the Wolfies said:
'jon_mx said:
If Tebow throws 40 times, the Broncos will win. :thumbup:
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dont see how a team can win a playoff game only completing 9 passes.
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Trent Dilfer went 5 of 16 for 117 yards when the Ravens beat the Titans in 2000. Then he rallied to go 9 of 18 the next week in the AFC Championship game win at Oakland.
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And the Ravens beat the Patriots two years ago with Flacco going 4 for 10 for 34 yards and an interception.
 
'Ghost Rider said:
'The_Man said:
'King of the Wolfies said:
'jon_mx said:
If Tebow throws 40 times, the Broncos will win. :thumbup:
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dont see how a team can win a playoff game only completing 9 passes.
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Trent Dilfer went 5 of 16 for 117 yards when the Ravens beat the Titans in 2000. Then he rallied to go 9 of 18 the next week in the AFC Championship game win at Oakland.
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And the Ravens beat the Patriots two years ago with Flacco going 4 for 10 for 34 yards and an interception.
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Holy crap, I get sick of being a Ravens fan sometimes.
 
'cheese said:
With that said, I don't think Pitts wants to be in a tight game with Tebow down the stretch. He is too much of a wild card.
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Nah, defenses have figured that out. Avoid prevent defense like the plague and you'll win. KC never left the D they had going into the game, and there was nothing for Tebow to do.
 
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