Broncos fielded offers for Cutler? (1 Viewer)

[Ghost Rider]

While there are some players that are "untradable", no one in the NFL is above trade discussions. Nature of the beast. Just like in FF, it's bad policy to not at least consider each and every offer that comes in, as one offer sometimes leads to a better counter-offer.I'm sure there are tons of deals that are proposed that don't go down - it's gotta happen on a daily basis. But, we almost never hear of deals that never happen. Why are we hearing about this? How did this make the news cycle?

Agreed, which is why I think that, while McDaniel has made a huge blunder by handling it the way he has, Cutler needs to suck it up and get over it, in that respect. However, the problem is, the Broncos are denying that they tried to trade him. They are saying they merely fielded offers for him, rather than actively trying to trade him. If Cutler believes that they are lying about that, then it is a serious problem.

 

[moleculo]

While there are some players that are "untradable", no one in the NFL is above trade discussions. Nature of the beast. Just like in FF, it's bad policy to not at least consider each and every offer that comes in, as one offer sometimes leads to a better counter-offer.I'm sure there are tons of deals that are proposed that don't go down - it's gotta happen on a daily basis. But, we almost never hear of deals that never happen. Why are we hearing about this? How did this make the news cycle?

Agreed, which is why I think that, while McDaniel has made a huge blunder by handling it the way he has, Cutler needs to suck it up and get over it, in that respect. However, the problem is, the Broncos are denying that they tried to trade him. They are saying they merely fielded offers for him, rather than actively trying to trade him. If Cutler believes that they are lying about that, then it is a serious problem.

all of this #####ing should be handled in-house.It won't be long before McJosh shuts off all access to the media ala Belichick and Mangini.

 

[bryan215]

While there are some players that are "untradable", no one in the NFL is above trade discussions. Nature of the beast. Just like in FF, it's bad policy to not at least consider each and every offer that comes in, as one offer sometimes leads to a better counter-offer.I'm sure there are tons of deals that are proposed that don't go down - it's gotta happen on a daily basis. But, we almost never hear of deals that never happen. Why are we hearing about this? How did this make the news cycle?

Agreed, which is why I think that, while McDaniel has made a huge blunder by handling it the way he has, Cutler needs to suck it up and get over it, in that respect. However, the problem is, the Broncos are denying that they tried to trade him. They are saying they merely fielded offers for him, rather than actively trying to trade him. If Cutler believes that they are lying about that, then it is a serious problem.

all of this #####ing should be handled in-house.It won't be long before McJosh shuts off all access to the media ala Belichick and Mangini.

McDaniel's offense is supposedly one of the more complex ones to learn, so its not a shock why Cassell might be preferred over Cutler. Obv. there is something about Cutler's makeup that MCDaniel's doesn't like.Something tells me that is doesn't have anything to do with Cutler's physical tools given they are top notch but more to do with his mental ones.I can't think of one aspect that Cutler excels at on the mental side of things. He's a lesser version of a young Brett Farve without the leadership skills.Having a star WR who gets arrested every other week and a star QB who throws into quadruple coverage every game cuz his arm is stronger than John Elway's isn't exactly a winning formula on offense.Any Bronco's fan who would actually stop supporting their team over a 2 year QB getting traded is a pathetic fan to begin with.

 

[Neil Beaufort Zod]

Kind of strange how some people in this thread want to remind Cutler that the NFL is a business...while their loyalty to their favorite team is unconditional and undying. Cutler was disappointed to see a lack of loyalty on the team's part. He has every reason to feel that way. On the other hand, fans should force their teams to abide by high standards to earn their support. That doesn't necessarily mean wins and losses, but a commitment to move the team forward. I don't see how considering trading Cutler moves the Broncos forward. I know it depends on what you get in return, but there are very few scenarios where it's a "win" for them.

And this looks very much like a "lose."

 

[Chase Stuart]

I can't think of one aspect that Cutler excels at on the mental side of things. He's a lesser version of a young Brett Farve without the leadership skills.Having a star WR who gets arrested every other week and a star QB who throws into quadruple coverage every game cuz his arm is stronger than John Elway's isn't exactly a winning formula on offense.Any Bronco's fan who would actually stop supporting their team over a 2 year QB getting traded is a pathetic fan to begin with.

Not that Favre was amazing at the age of 25, but Cutler was better at the age of 25 then Favre was. So I don't think he's a lesser versio or without the same leadership skills.As for Denver fans being upset, teams like Arizona, Chicago and Detroit have been waiting since before Cutler's father was born for a QB with the upside of Cutler. So it's not like 25 year old QBs who have been very good through three years grow on trees.

 

[Ksquared]

A lot of people in this thread seemed to have real problems with Cutler's "mental" state and used his comments on Sunday to validate their preconceived judgment. Especially the "grow up", "whiner/crybaby" stuff. Well if you look at the original quotes by Cutler when he first found out he was trying to be traded, they were the comments of a appropriate direction. Something along the lines of "I had hoped to finish my career in Denver ... I understand the NFL is a business and the team is doing what they feel is best ..." .

Things changed in Cutler's tone by Sunday when he found out for sure that Denver had been shopping him, not just responding to offers. Cutler's tone and stance now seems to be directly related to the mounting evidence that McDaniels directly lied to him about all the trade scenarios.

 

[ConstruxBoy]

A lot of people in this thread seemed to have real problems with Cutler's "mental" state and used his comments on Sunday to validate their preconceived judgment. Especially the "grow up", "whiner/crybaby" stuff. Well if you look at the original quotes by Cutler when he first found out he was trying to be traded, they were the comments of a appropriate direction. Something along the lines of "I had hoped to finish my career in Denver ... I understand the NFL is a business and the team is doing what they feel is best ..." . Things changed in Cutler's tone by Sunday when he found out for sure that Denver had been shopping him, not just responding to offers. Cutler's tone and stance now seems to be directly related to the mounting evidence that McDaniels directly lied to him about all the trade scenarios.

Injecting sense in this thread is dangerous. I applaud you for it.

 

[Despyzer]

A lot of people in this thread seemed to have real problems with Cutler's "mental" state and used his comments on Sunday to validate their preconceived judgment. Especially the "grow up", "whiner/crybaby" stuff. Well if you look at the original quotes by Cutler when he first found out he was trying to be traded, they were the comments of a appropriate direction. Something along the lines of "I had hoped to finish my career in Denver ... I understand the NFL is a business and the team is doing what they feel is best ..." .

Things changed in Cutler's tone by Sunday when he found out for sure that Denver had been shopping him, not just responding to offers. Cutler's tone and stance now seems to be directly related to the mounting evidence that McDaniels directly lied to him about all the trade scenarios.

The earliest remarks from Cutler included the statement "If they want me to play somewhere else, so be it." even though the only comment that had come from the Broncos was "We are not trying to trade Jay Cutler. We will not trade Jay Cutler. He's a Pro Bowl Quarterback." I'm not sure how you can reconcile that.

 

[Spanky24]

This whole thing pisses me off. There is no rhyme or reason to any of it. If it went down as it's being reported, I hate hate hate McDaniels right now. If Cutler is not a Bronco next season, I'm selling my season tickets.

Pisses me off is an understatement right now. With each hour that passes I am starting to hate McDaniels more and more. To me it's so bad, that I agree....If Cutler is not there next year I should find a new team.Just horrible.

 

[Mr. Mojo]

I can't think of one aspect that Cutler excels at on the mental side of things. He's a lesser version of a young Brett Farve without the leadership skills.Having a star WR who gets arrested every other week and a star QB who throws into quadruple coverage every game cuz his arm is stronger than John Elway's isn't exactly a winning formula on offense.Any Bronco's fan who would actually stop supporting their team over a 2 year QB getting traded is a pathetic fan to begin with.

Not that Favre was amazing at the age of 25, but Cutler was better at the age of 25 then Favre was. So I don't think he's a lesser versio or without the same leadership skills.As for Denver fans being upset, teams like Arizona, Chicago and Detroit have been waiting since before Cutler's father was born for a QB with the upside of Cutler. So it's not like 25 year old QBs who have been very good through three years grow on trees.

To trade Cutler for to land an unproven QB in a great system (Cassell) would have ranked as the worst moves ever.

 

[Carver]

This gets better and better...

Per- PFT

REPORT: CUTLER HAD ALREADY ASKED FOR A TRADE

Among the many compelling nuggets in Peter King’s MMQB column is a disclosure that Broncos quarterback Jay Cutler had asked to be traded weeks before the team tried to comply with his request.

That’s right. Per King, Cutler requested to be dealt after quarterbacks coach Jeremy Bates bolted for USC.

So the fact that Cutler is claiming outrage in the wake of the recent near-miss effort to give him what he wanted could be part of a broader plan to get out of Denver.

This way, he looks like the victim instead of the villain, and perhaps the media and the fans will put enough pressure on the team to force the front office to find a suitor.

 

[captbly]

From peter king, sound like the trade request from cutler happened even before all teh Cassel mess.

"I heard one other interesting thing Sunday: Cutler asked for a trade shortly after the Broncos lost offensive coordinator Jeremy Bates -- Cutler's confidant -- to USC after the season. So maybe both sides need to go into marriage counseling here."

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writ...ency/index.html

 

[Wyld Stallyns]

This gets better and better...

Per- PFT

REPORT: CUTLER HAD ALREADY ASKED FOR A TRADE

Among the many compelling nuggets in Peter King’s MMQB column is a disclosure that Broncos quarterback Jay Cutler had asked to be traded weeks before the team tried to comply with his request.

That’s right. Per King, Cutler requested to be dealt after quarterbacks coach Jeremy Bates bolted for USC.

So the fact that Cutler is claiming outrage in the wake of the recent near-miss effort to give him what he wanted could be part of a broader plan to get out of Denver.

This way, he looks like the victim instead of the villain, and perhaps the media and the fans will put enough pressure on the team to force the front office to find a suitor.

I can't remember the last time I've seen such obvious revisionist history. Not buying a word of it.

 

[H.K.]

Not that Favre was amazing at the age of 25, but Cutler was better at the age of 25 then Favre was. So I don't think he's a lesser versio or without the same leadership skills.

Might want to do your homework there. Favre had 33 TD passes and only 14 Int's when he was 25, while Cutler was 25/18 with a lower QB rating. Also, Favre had already been to two Pro Bowls at ages 23 & 24, while Cutler hadn't been to any.

 

[B-Deep]

Here's the thing people need to understand, IMO

If Mcdaniels thinks Cassell is THAT GOOD, and he can swap cuttler for Cassell and pick up some draft picks, it IS the right thing to do.

It looks like he was savy, had the deal worked out, and should have gotten it done till the pats bellichecked him

Now, if people think he is ridiculous for considering the option that Cassell could be a better QB than Cutler I undersand that. But some people seem to think even attempting this is ludicrous, and if you are open to the fact that people from the old pas organization seem to think Cassell is the next great thing, then it at least will make some sense

 

[mmmWaffles]

I really think McDaniels is lying. Why would DET or TAM just suddenly ring up DEN - if there'd had been asbolutely NO talks of dissatisfaction/trading Cutler? That's what Clayton said on M&M this morning too. Based upon his initial comments and now, seems like Cutler isn't ticked about the possible trade, but the lying about it after the fact.

Way to screw up the relationship with your QB before he takes his first snap McDaniels. I mean, of ALL the problems with DEN QB is the ONE position that's the LEAST of your worries. Really stupid. Cutler has better numbers than Elway's first years. Cutler's got a cannon for an arm, the highest rating out of the pocket, a solid head on his shoulders - the LAST thing you should be screwing with right now is QB.

I can understand Jay being ticked. Jay should be learning the new offense right now, but instead, this unecessary melodrama goes on. Biggest screw up since Reeves tried to trade Elway.

 

[TheBradyBunch]

I can't think of one aspect that Cutler excels at on the mental side of things. He's a lesser version of a young Brett Farve without the leadership skills.Having a star WR who gets arrested every other week and a star QB who throws into quadruple coverage every game cuz his arm is stronger than John Elway's isn't exactly a winning formula on offense.Any Bronco's fan who would actually stop supporting their team over a 2 year QB getting traded is a pathetic fan to begin with.

Not that Favre was amazing at the age of 25, but Cutler was better at the age of 25 then Favre was. So I don't think he's a lesser versio or without the same leadership skills.As for Denver fans being upset, teams like Arizona, Chicago and Detroit have been waiting since before Cutler's father was born for a QB with the upside of Cutler. So it's not like 25 year old QBs who have been very good through three years grow on trees.

To trade Cutler for to land an unproven QB in a great system (Cassell) would have ranked as the worst moves ever.

Umm..I believe the whole point of this trade would've been that Cassel would've stayed in the exact same system, no? Too many people credit "the system" for Cassel's success when I think they mean to credit the overall talent of the Patriots. There's a huge difference.

 

[mmmWaffles]

While there are some players that are "untradable", no one in the NFL is above trade discussions. Nature of the beast. Just like in FF, it's bad policy to not at least consider each and every offer that comes in, as one offer sometimes leads to a better counter-offer.I'm sure there are tons of deals that are proposed that don't go down - it's gotta happen on a daily basis. But, we almost never hear of deals that never happen. Why are we hearing about this? How did this make the news cycle?

Agreed, which is why I think that, while McDaniel has made a huge blunder by handling it the way he has, Cutler needs to suck it up and get over it, in that respect. However, the problem is, the Broncos are denying that they tried to trade him. They are saying they merely fielded offers for him, rather than actively trying to trade him. If Cutler believes that they are lying about that, then it is a serious problem.

all of this #####ing should be handled in-house.It won't be long before McJosh shuts off all access to the media ala Belichick and Mangini.

McDaniel's offense is supposedly one of the more complex ones to learn, so its not a shock why Cassell might be preferred over Cutler. Obv. there is something about Cutler's makeup that MCDaniel's doesn't like.Something tells me that is doesn't have anything to do with Cutler's physical tools given they are top notch but more to do with his mental ones.I can't think of one aspect that Cutler excels at on the mental side of things. He's a lesser version of a young Brett Farve without the leadership skills.Having a star WR who gets arrested every other week and a star QB who throws into quadruple coverage every game cuz his arm is stronger than John Elway's isn't exactly a winning formula on offense.Any Bronco's fan who would actually stop supporting their team over a 2 year QB getting traded is a pathetic fan to begin with.

Really disagree with this. How the heck does McDaniels know a damn thing about Cutler's mental skills at this point? How many team meetings have they had? Has he even given Jay the playbook? Dumb. And uh, do you FORGET who the hell was coach BEFORE him? Geez, you don't get a whole lot more complex than a Shanny O. The dude went to bleeping VANDERBILT for Chrissake, we're not talking Vince Young here.

 

[B-Deep]

I really think McDaniels is lying. Why would DET or TAM just suddenly ring up DEN - if there'd had been asbolutely NO talks of dissatisfaction/trading Cutler? That's what Clayton said on M&M this morning too. Based upon his initial comments and now, seems like Cutler isn't ticked about the possible trade, but the lying about it after the fact. Way to screw up the relationship with your QB before he takes his first snap McDaniels. I mean, of ALL the problems with DEN QB is the ONE position that's the LEAST of your worries. Really stupid. Cutler has better numbers than Elway's first years. Cutler's got a cannon for an arm, the highest rating out of the pocket, a solid head on his shoulders - the LAST thing you should be screwing with right now is QB. I can understand Jay being ticked. Jay should be learning the new offense right now, but instead, this unecessary melodrama goes on. Biggest screw up since Reeves tried to trade Elway.

I still think he needs to take off his skirt and deal with itListen, the broncs were trying to pull something off quietly, and got caught. They thought they could cover it up and failed, big whup, nfl teams lie all the damn time.I understand the anger, but he had better get past it real quick.

 

[mmmWaffles]

A lot of people in this thread seemed to have real problems with Cutler's "mental" state and used his comments on Sunday to validate their preconceived judgment. Especially the "grow up", "whiner/crybaby" stuff. Well if you look at the original quotes by Cutler when he first found out he was trying to be traded, they were the comments of a appropriate direction. Something along the lines of "I had hoped to finish my career in Denver ... I understand the NFL is a business and the team is doing what they feel is best ..." . Things changed in Cutler's tone by Sunday when he found out for sure that Denver had been shopping him, not just responding to offers. Cutler's tone and stance now seems to be directly related to the mounting evidence that McDaniels directly lied to him about all the trade scenarios.

Injecting sense in this thread is dangerous. I applaud you for it.

Agreed. Best post I"ve seen here - among alot of really dumb ones. Like Constux says, Cutler was a class act from everything he said when he first learned about the trade. It's the lying and denying that's got him riled - and I understand that. The new coach has absolutely NO history with the guy, presumably started off with "you're our guy", then shopped him to get his guy - then LIED about doing so? - Not a good way to start a relationship no matter what you think of Cutler as a QB. - This doesn't just impact Cutler, there's 52 guys and a bunch of FA's that are seeing this go down too. Nobody wants to play for a coach that is either a liar - or at the very least, shows incredibly poor judgement.

 

[mmmWaffles]

I really think McDaniels is lying. Why would DET or TAM just suddenly ring up DEN - if there'd had been asbolutely NO talks of dissatisfaction/trading Cutler? That's what Clayton said on M&M this morning too. Based upon his initial comments and now, seems like Cutler isn't ticked about the possible trade, but the lying about it after the fact. Way to screw up the relationship with your QB before he takes his first snap McDaniels. I mean, of ALL the problems with DEN QB is the ONE position that's the LEAST of your worries. Really stupid. Cutler has better numbers than Elway's first years. Cutler's got a cannon for an arm, the highest rating out of the pocket, a solid head on his shoulders - the LAST thing you should be screwing with right now is QB. I can understand Jay being ticked. Jay should be learning the new offense right now, but instead, this unecessary melodrama goes on. Biggest screw up since Reeves tried to trade Elway.

I still think he needs to take off his skirt and deal with itListen, the broncs were trying to pull something off quietly, and got caught. They thought they could cover it up and failed, big whup, nfl teams lie all the damn time.I understand the anger, but he had better get past it real quick.

He will, Geez, the story's what? 48 hours old? There's no OTA's scheduled right now, correct? If my boss lied to me, then upon getting caught in the lie said, "hey, I'd like you to fly in on your dime during your vacation just so I can apologize to you so I can get this boneheaded stunt past me", I'd let him stew for a bit too. Mr. Bowlen is one of the best owners in the league. You can bet he's not pleased with this keystone cops nonsense either. Really bad way for a rook HC to start. Like I said before, it's not just Jay, there's a bunch of FA's and 51 other guys who now likely have serious questions about playing for this guy.

 

[mmmWaffles]

I can't think of one aspect that Cutler excels at on the mental side of things. He's a lesser version of a young Brett Farve without the leadership skills.Having a star WR who gets arrested every other week and a star QB who throws into quadruple coverage every game cuz his arm is stronger than John Elway's isn't exactly a winning formula on offense.Any Bronco's fan who would actually stop supporting their team over a 2 year QB getting traded is a pathetic fan to begin with.

Not that Favre was amazing at the age of 25, but Cutler was better at the age of 25 then Favre was. So I don't think he's a lesser versio or without the same leadership skills.As for Denver fans being upset, teams like Arizona, Chicago and Detroit have been waiting since before Cutler's father was born for a QB with the upside of Cutler. So it's not like 25 year old QBs who have been very good through three years grow on trees.

Yep, the comments from Broncoland basically go something like this: "We waited ten years for a Franchise QB. Cutler is at LEAST in the top ten in the league. McDaniels has proven absolutely BUPKISS on the other hand..." Of all the positions to screw with on DEN, that was the last place. Lots of rook coaches want "their guy", but Cassel hasn't proven he isn't Derek Anderson 2.0 yet either. - Bad way to start.

 

[Carver]

I still think he needs to take off his skirt and deal with it

Suffering from a drought this summer?? Just call in ol' Jay to cry your town a river. Stick him in the middle of your crop field and text him a message that he's being offered up for Mike Vick. Then text him back and tell him that Atlanta turned down the deal.

 

[B-Deep]

I really think McDaniels is lying. Why would DET or TAM just suddenly ring up DEN - if there'd had been asbolutely NO talks of dissatisfaction/trading Cutler? That's what Clayton said on M&M this morning too. Based upon his initial comments and now, seems like Cutler isn't ticked about the possible trade, but the lying about it after the fact. Way to screw up the relationship with your QB before he takes his first snap McDaniels. I mean, of ALL the problems with DEN QB is the ONE position that's the LEAST of your worries. Really stupid. Cutler has better numbers than Elway's first years. Cutler's got a cannon for an arm, the highest rating out of the pocket, a solid head on his shoulders - the LAST thing you should be screwing with right now is QB. I can understand Jay being ticked. Jay should be learning the new offense right now, but instead, this unecessary melodrama goes on. Biggest screw up since Reeves tried to trade Elway.

I still think he needs to take off his skirt and deal with itListen, the broncs were trying to pull something off quietly, and got caught. They thought they could cover it up and failed, big whup, nfl teams lie all the damn time.I understand the anger, but he had better get past it real quick.

He will, Geez, the story's what? 48 hours old? There's no OTA's scheduled right now, correct? If my boss lied to me, then upon getting caught in the lie said, "hey, I'd like you to fly in on your dime during your vacation just so I can apologize to you so I can get this boneheaded stunt past me", I'd let him stew for a bit too. Mr. Bowlen is one of the best owners in the league. You can bet he's not pleased with this keystone cops nonsense either. Really bad way for a rook HC to start. Like I said before, it's not just Jay, there's a bunch of FA's and 51 other guys who now likely have serious questions about playing for this guy.

I would suggest he stop talking to people whilst he gets over it, along with the other 51 little girls in the locker room.

 

[Chase Stuart]

Not that Favre was amazing at the age of 25, but Cutler was better at the age of 25 then Favre was. So I don't think he's a lesser versio or without the same leadership skills.

Might want to do your homework there. Favre had 33 TD passes and only 14 Int's when he was 25, while Cutler was 25/18 with a lower QB rating. Also, Favre had already been to two Pro Bowls at ages 23 & 24, while Cutler hadn't been to any.

There are more important things than TD passes, INTs and QB rating.

 

[mmmWaffles]

I'm not one of the usual cadre of Pats haters, but between McDaniels lying and the uber shady Pioli/Belichick deal all being wrapped up into one news cycle, I'm starting to think that whole Pats crew really is as shady as people have alleged them to be.

 

[Tubalcane]

As a long time Broncos fan I am shocked at this whole off season so far. McDaniel’s appears to have an ego that dwarfs Shanahans by a mile. Just comparing a “really young” QB like Cutler I don’t see how anybody could even remotely come to the conclusion that Cassel would ever be anything close to the caliber of Cutler. At best the only objective and logical conclusion would be that although Cassel has shown potential, we simply don’t have enough information to believe he would be better than Cutler.

Cassel has had one good season. So what…Derek Anderson had one good season! Let’s face reality a bit, and examine the situation clearly.

I have noticed a trend in the NFL concerning QBs. They come into the league, and some have good years and they get a lot of hype. Then after a year or two the defenses around the NFL start to get game film on them; they get a chance to analyze them; they spy out their tendencies and weaknesses. Suddenly after a year or two the QB comes back down to earth. Teams have a lot more info to game plan with. This is what happened to Kurt Warner in St Louis after 3 years; it’s what happened to Michael Vick, Derrick Anderson, Jake Delhomme, and I could add many to that list.

Unfortunately the average QB never really gets over that hump after all the other Def. “figure them out”. That’s why the plug got pulled on Derek Anderson so fast, and they’re calling for Delhommes head in Carolina and questioning Romos’ ability in Dallas. The great QBs however are able to make the adjustments and overcome the game planning. Look at Kurt Warner…he started ultra hot…got game planned and came down to earth…and he made the adjustment back to the top.

Now let’s look at Cassel. He had all the right things going for him this year. He had an all world WR corps (Randy Moss, Wes Welker, etc.); he had a hall of fame coach in Belichick; he had a team with a great defense; he had a team with a very QB friendly system; he was also on a team with a lot of experience and leadership on both sides of the ball. He should have excelled. All the pieces were in place. He did all this in one year. One of the reasons that he did so well was that no NFL team had any footage on him; they had no intel to help them game plan. Give him a year or two in that same system, and he will start to struggle, and then (let me emphasize THEN) he will either bust or step up and be great. As of right now we simply don’t know which way he would go, and we sure have no idea how he would fare in Denver; a team with a rookie coach, a “welcoming committee for the end zone” type defense, a very young and inexperienced team on both sides of the ball, and a team with hardly any leaders. As I have already stated…we do not have enough information on Cassel as of yet.

Now let’s look at Cutler. He really smart, after all he came from Vanderbilt. He’s got a rocket arm, and he’s a pro-bowl QB. He came into the league a few years ago. He has established that he has tons of talent, but can be hot headed and let it get the better of him. However he has shown that he is making that step to the next level. Defenses have plenty of tape on him, but he stepped up this year. Remember he started blazing hot, and then he came back down to earth during the middle of the season, only to step back up to another level during the last half of the season. And he did all this with a wretched defense, countless starters out on injury, an insulin problem, and while losing tailback after tailback. He still led his team to many victories, and kept his team alive in games that they should have been utterly blown out in. We do have enough info on Cutler to draw a conclusion. He is a great QB who is very young, and has shown that he has made that step up to the next level. Jay Cutler is what you hope for when you draft a QB in the first round.

Now let’s compare the two QBs. You know what you have in Cutler; a proven leader. Build a team around him and he will take you deep into the playoffs and more. The only thing you know about Cassel is that he has potential. You don’t know how he’s going to react on a different team, with different players, and you don’t know how he will adjust to defenses adjusting to him. Hands down Cutler is who you want in this situation.

That tells me that Josh McDaniel’s possesses questionable decision making skills, and has absolutely no wisdom whatsoever. It looks like bad times are here for the Broncos fans.

I remember when Dan Reeves tried to draft Tommy Maddox and get rid of John Elway. Pat Bowlen fired him. Somebody needs to tell Josh McDaniel’s all about that whole situation. Maybe Mr Bowlen should have a discreet conversation with this new coach.

I myself don’t know how I’d react as a Denver fan if they got rid of Jay Cutler. One things for sure is that I wouldn’t be getting the Sunday Ticket this year. No need to pay to see the Broncos play if they ship off my favorite player.

 

[Tubalcane]

This whole thing pisses me off. There is no rhyme or reason to any of it. If it went down as it's being reported, I hate hate hate McDaniels right now. If Cutler is not a Bronco next season, I'm selling my season tickets.

If this is how this went down I think it is one of the few circumstances that fans of a team should get a free pass to switch allegiances. Just monumentally terrible job by the the front office if true.

to both of you. I am not trying to be dramatic, but if Cutler gets traded or something happens that results in him not being a Bronco in '09, I will seriously consider jumping ship. I have no ties to the city of Denver, as I became a Broncos fan because I was a big John Elway fan when I was a kid. I stayed a fan after he retired because Terrell Davis, Rod Smith and Mike Shanahan were still there, and as a Cutler fan now, I have hung on despite Shanny's firing, but if Cutler goes...man, I just don't know. The problem is, there is no other team I could imagine being my favorite, so odds are, the Broncos would still be my team, but I wouldn't be nearly as excited or fanatical about it. I understand sticking with your team through thick and thin, but I don't believe in blind loyalty, either.

I’m sort of in the same boat as you. I live in North Carolina, and we didn’t have a team in the 80’s. I started liking the Broncos because of John Elway, and have been loyal ever since. But now we have the Panthers. I have always told my wife that when the last player from the Bronco’s superbowl era retires that I’ll start rooting for the Panthers. Recently when Tom Nalen retired, and Shanny got fired I saw my chance to jump ship, but I just couldn’t do it. I found myself still buying Broncos merchandise when I went to the mall. But now…I’m stumped. If Cutler is on the block then anybody is. I know they say football is a business, but I don’t follow it because it’s a business. I follow it because it’s a team sport. What’s next…getting rid of Champ Bailey for a few juicy draft picks? Is anything sacred anymore? I suddenly find myself paying attention to what the Panthers are doing this offseason…it’s just not right.

 

[eaglegreen5]

This gets better and better...

Per- PFT

REPORT: CUTLER HAD ALREADY ASKED FOR A TRADE

Among the many compelling nuggets in Peter King’s MMQB column is a disclosure that Broncos quarterback Jay Cutler had asked to be traded weeks before the team tried to comply with his request.

That’s right. Per King, Cutler requested to be dealt after quarterbacks coach Jeremy Bates bolted for USC.

So the fact that Cutler is claiming outrage in the wake of the recent near-miss effort to give him what he wanted could be part of a broader plan to get out of Denver.

This way, he looks like the victim instead of the villain, and perhaps the media and the fans will put enough pressure on the team to force the front office to find a suitor.

Listening to Peter King and all his pompas predictions is your first mistake!

 

[BigJim®]

I'm not one of the usual cadre of Pats haters, but between McDaniels lying and the uber shady Pioli/Belichick deal all being wrapped up into one news cycle, I'm starting to think that whole Pats crew really is as shady as people have alleged them to be.

Not sure if it's a Honda, but I got a kick out of this PTF report from yesterday:

DID BUCS’ OFFER FOR CASSEL COME TOO LATE?

Posted by Mike Florio on March 1, 2009, 1:30 p.m.

ESPN’s Chris Mortensen has reported, with excellent elaboration via ESPN.com’s Tim Graham, that the Buccaneers offered a first-round and a third-round pick for quarterback Matt Cassel as part of the menage-a-trade that would have sent quarterback Matt Cassel to the Broncos and quarterback Jay Cutler to Tampa. So why did the Pats pass?

A reader has shared with us this nugget from Michael Felger of WEEI: Put simply, the Bucs arrived at the party too late (and possibly with a cinnamon bobka).

If that’s the case, then it all makes sense.

But Mort says (via Graham) that the Broncos were willing to give up their own first-round pick — No. 12 overall in the draft — for Cassel. Under those circumstances, why didn’t Belichick bite?

We agree with Mortensen’s suggestion that Belichick would be less willing to help a former assistant coach than to help the front-office guy who helped set the table for those three Super Bowl victories in four years.

Mort also suggests that the Pats leaked word of the Broncos’ effort to trade Cutler to the Boston Globe as a way to mess with the Broncos.

Um, wow.

We only wish that the Broncos and Pats played each other twice per year. As a consolation, the Broncos and Chiefs still do.

UPDATE: Tom Curran also reports that the Bucs and Broncos showed up after Pats coach Bill Belichick had decided to pull the trigger on the trade with the Chiefs. Credit Chiefs G.M. Scott Pioli for: (1) knowing that the Patriots were ready to do something right away with Cassel; and (2) getting a number and placing his order while the other teams were still loitering in the lobby of Schnitzer’s.

 

[moleculo]

Not that Favre was amazing at the age of 25, but Cutler was better at the age of 25 then Favre was. So I don't think he's a lesser versio or without the same leadership skills.

Might want to do your homework there. Favre had 33 TD passes and only 14 Int's when he was 25, while Cutler was 25/18 with a lower QB rating. Also, Favre had already been to two Pro Bowls at ages 23 & 24, while Cutler hadn't been to any.

There are more important things than TD passes, INTs and QB rating.

winning record, maybe??Cutler has never had a winning season as a starting QB since HS, Favre never had an NFL loosing season until he was 36 years old.i don't think Cutler/Favre comparisons are valid at this point, outside of a knack for forcing throws into coverage and having a big arm.

 

[Chase Stuart]

Not that Favre was amazing at the age of 25, but Cutler was better at the age of 25 then Favre was. So I don't think he's a lesser versio or without the same leadership skills.

Might want to do your homework there. Favre had 33 TD passes and only 14 Int's when he was 25, while Cutler was 25/18 with a lower QB rating. Also, Favre had already been to two Pro Bowls at ages 23 & 24, while Cutler hadn't been to any.

There are more important things than TD passes, INTs and QB rating.

winning record, maybe??Cutler has never had a winning season as a starting QB since HS, Favre never had an NFL loosing season until he was 36 years old.

That seems like fair analysis. I forgot about those tough SEC defenses Favre was facing.At age 25, Cutler's been a better QB than Favre. He'll likely be a worse QB when it's all said and done (duh), but that's not really the point.

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

Now let’s look at Cutler. He really smart, after all he came from Vanderbilt.

True dat.On a serious note, getting a football scholarship to Vandy, or even Stanford, doesn't mean you're all that smart. Cutler scored a 26 on the wonderlic, which is sort of middle-of-the-pack for QBs. Leinart scored a 35 that year, which was near the high end. Vince Young scored a 16, which was the lowest. In the middle were Cutler (26), Clemens (26), Croyle (24), Whitehurst (33), Betts (33) . . .

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

I would rather have Cassel than Cutler just based on what I know. But I'm not an NFL GM.

And as a Charger fan, maybe I'm just hardened by how AJ Smith typically handles things, but I don't think McDaniels did anything wrong. Cutler's being a baby.

 

[two_dollars]

I'd rather have Cutler. But as a life long Chicago Bears fan, I'd rather have either of them.

 

[Carver]

This gets better and better...

Per- PFT

REPORT: CUTLER HAD ALREADY ASKED FOR A TRADE

Among the many compelling nuggets in Peter King’s MMQB column is a disclosure that Broncos quarterback Jay Cutler had asked to be traded weeks before the team tried to comply with his request.

That’s right. Per King, Cutler requested to be dealt after quarterbacks coach Jeremy Bates bolted for USC.

So the fact that Cutler is claiming outrage in the wake of the recent near-miss effort to give him what he wanted could be part of a broader plan to get out of Denver.

This way, he looks like the victim instead of the villain, and perhaps the media and the fans will put enough pressure on the team to force the front office to find a suitor.

Listening to Peter King and all his pompas predictions is your first mistake!

It's not a mistake.... I find it hilarious when the media stirs the pot up. It's fun to watch the I dont root for Denver, so whether or not it's true means very little to me in this instance.

 

[ConstruxBoy]

I would rather have Cassel than Cutler just based on what I know. But I'm not an NFL GM.And as a Charger fan, maybe I'm just hardened by how AJ Smith typically handles things, but I don't think McDaniels did anything wrong. Cutler's being a baby.

Can you unpack this a bit? Why?

 

[Desert_Power]

I would rather have Cassel than Cutler just based on what I know. But I'm not an NFL GM.

And as a Charger fan, maybe I'm just hardened by how AJ Smith typically handles things, but I don't think McDaniels did anything wrong. Cutler's being a baby.

Can you unpack this a bit? Why?

The bolded probably explains where his opinion comes from the best.

 

[golfguy]

hey maybe warner signs with the 49ers, the cardinales trade for cutler (who they should have drafted over leinart), leinart goes to the broncos.

i would be okay with that from a fantasy perspective. i think cutler would do very nicely in AZ if they keep boldin and fitzy.

 

[Buffaloes]

hey maybe warner signs with the 49ers, the cardinales trade for cutler (who they should have drafted over leinart), leinart goes to the broncos.i would be okay with that from a fantasy perspective. i think cutler would do very nicely in AZ if they keep boldin and fitzy.

Why would Denver want Leinart?

 

[supermark_28]

I might have missed it in the King SI article and/or it was mentioned in this thread previously but does

King mention the "source" of the Cutler blurb where Jay asked to be traded? Did it come directly from Cutler or Bates?

 

[Despyzer]

I might have missed it in the King SI article and/or it was mentioned in this thread previously but doesKing mention the "source" of the Cutler blurb where Jay asked to be traded? Did it come directly from Cutler or Bates?

No, he just said he heard it... Sunday. This doesn't sound super-reliable.

 

[ConstruxBoy]

I would rather have Cassel than Cutler just based on what I know. But I'm not an NFL GM.

And as a Charger fan, maybe I'm just hardened by how AJ Smith typically handles things, but I don't think McDaniels did anything wrong. Cutler's being a baby.

Can you unpack this a bit? Why?

The bolded probably explains where his opinion comes from the best.

Well MT is a pretty smart guy, but I'm just wondering what he knows that we don't. Cassell didn't start a single game in his college career and was drafted in the 7th round. Cutler started 45 games in his college career, for a bad team in the SEC, and was drafted in the first round. In one year playing 16 games, Cassel completed 63.4%, had a TD% of 4.1, an Int% of 2.1 and a Y/A of 7.2, all with a team that went 11-5. In his first year playing 16 games, Cutler completed 63.6%, had a TD% of 4.3, an Int% of 3.0 and a Y/A of 7.5 with a team that went 7-9. He followed that up in his second season going 62.3%, 4.1, 2.9 and 7.3 in those categories for a 8-8 team. What am I missing?

 

[Buffaloes]

I would rather have Cassel than Cutler just based on what I know. But I'm not an NFL GM.

And as a Charger fan, maybe I'm just hardened by how AJ Smith typically handles things, but I don't think McDaniels did anything wrong. Cutler's being a baby.

Can you unpack this a bit? Why?

The bolded probably explains where his opinion comes from the best.

Well MT is a pretty smart guy, but I'm just wondering what he knows that we don't. Cassell didn't start a single game in his college career and was drafted in the 7th round. Cutler started 45 games in his college career, for a bad team in the SEC, and was drafted in the first round. In one year playing 16 games, Cassel completed 63.4%, had a TD% of 4.1, an Int% of 2.1 and a Y/A of 7.2, all with a team that went 11-5. In his first year playing 16 games, Cutler completed 63.6%, had a TD% of 4.3, an Int% of 3.0 and a Y/A of 7.5 with a team that went 7-9. He followed that up in his second season going 62.3%, 4.1, 2.9 and 7.3 in those categories for a 8-8 team. What am I missing?

It seems as if Cutler might be a bit of a headcase. Combine that with his diabetes and his penchant for turning the ball over and those passing number might not look as appealing. That's all I can think of. Personally, I would still take Cutler over Cassel but I can see the other side of the argument.

 

[ConstruxBoy]

I would rather have Cassel than Cutler just based on what I know. But I'm not an NFL GM.

And as a Charger fan, maybe I'm just hardened by how AJ Smith typically handles things, but I don't think McDaniels did anything wrong. Cutler's being a baby.

Can you unpack this a bit? Why?

The bolded probably explains where his opinion comes from the best.

Well MT is a pretty smart guy, but I'm just wondering what he knows that we don't. Cassell didn't start a single game in his college career and was drafted in the 7th round. Cutler started 45 games in his college career, for a bad team in the SEC, and was drafted in the first round. In one year playing 16 games, Cassel completed 63.4%, had a TD% of 4.1, an Int% of 2.1 and a Y/A of 7.2, all with a team that went 11-5. In his first year playing 16 games, Cutler completed 63.6%, had a TD% of 4.3, an Int% of 3.0 and a Y/A of 7.5 with a team that went 7-9. He followed that up in his second season going 62.3%, 4.1, 2.9 and 7.3 in those categories for a 8-8 team. What am I missing?

It seems as if Cutler might be a bit of a headcase. Combine that with his diabetes and his penchant for turning the ball over and those passing number might not look as appealing. That's all I can think of. Personally, I would still take Cutler over Cassel but I can see the other side of the argument.

Just wondering what his opinion is. Maybe you're right.

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

I would rather have Cassel than Cutler just based on what I know. But I'm not an NFL GM.

And as a Charger fan, maybe I'm just hardened by how AJ Smith typically handles things, but I don't think McDaniels did anything wrong. Cutler's being a baby.

Can you unpack this a bit? Why?

The bolded probably explains where his opinion comes from the best.

Well MT is a pretty smart guy, but I'm just wondering what he knows that we don't. Cassell didn't start a single game in his college career and was drafted in the 7th round. Cutler started 45 games in his college career, for a bad team in the SEC, and was drafted in the first round. In one year playing 16 games, Cassel completed 63.4%, had a TD% of 4.1, an Int% of 2.1 and a Y/A of 7.2, all with a team that went 11-5. In his first year playing 16 games, Cutler completed 63.6%, had a TD% of 4.3, an Int% of 3.0 and a Y/A of 7.5 with a team that went 7-9. He followed that up in his second season going 62.3%, 4.1, 2.9 and 7.3 in those categories for a 8-8 team. What am I missing?

I'm basing it just on what I know (or believe) which is nowhere near the level of information McDaniels, Pioli, et al. have.To me, one of the most important attributes in a QB is his leadership. He has to have a strong will, a positive attitude, and the respect of his teammates. A strong arm is nice, but is not nearly as important as a lot of people seem to think. JMHO.

I've heard (I forgot where) that a lot of Cutler's teammates don't really like him. They consider him to be arrogant.

From what I've seen of him myself in interviews, I don't think he has a great attitude, and I also find him arrogant. And a bit whiny.

His reaction to this stuff helps confirm my previous beliefs about him.

Cassel, meanwhile, has excellent mechanics and is apparently capable of running a complicated offense. He showed huge improvement over the course of the 2008 season, while Cutler did not. If anything, Cutler looked worse at the end of the season than he did at the beginning. (Cutler seems to make particularly bad decisions in the red zone, from what I've seen.)

I understand that people love Cutler's arm and athleticism. He's another Elway in those respects. But I personally don't think he's currently on the right track to be winner in the NFL. In spite of his obvious physical skills, I'd rather have a guy with better leadership skills and attitude. I could be wrong about Cutler. Like I said, I'm just going by my own admittedly very limited info.

 

[Mr. Mojo]

I can't think of one aspect that Cutler excels at on the mental side of things. He's a lesser version of a young Brett Farve without the leadership skills.Having a star WR who gets arrested every other week and a star QB who throws into quadruple coverage every game cuz his arm is stronger than John Elway's isn't exactly a winning formula on offense.Any Bronco's fan who would actually stop supporting their team over a 2 year QB getting traded is a pathetic fan to begin with.

Not that Favre was amazing at the age of 25, but Cutler was better at the age of 25 then Favre was. So I don't think he's a lesser versio or without the same leadership skills.As for Denver fans being upset, teams like Arizona, Chicago and Detroit have been waiting since before Cutler's father was born for a QB with the upside of Cutler. So it's not like 25 year old QBs who have been very good through three years grow on trees.

To trade Cutler for to land an unproven QB in a great system (Cassell) would have ranked as the worst moves ever.

Umm..I believe the whole point of this trade would've been that Cassel would've stayed in the exact same system, no? Too many people credit "the system" for Cassel's success when I think they mean to credit the overall talent of the Patriots. There's a huge difference.

I think you're splitting hairs.I meant the talent level and offensive system.I think Cassell is as unproven as they come.But I could be totally wrong.

 

[sib]

Not that Favre was amazing at the age of 25, but Cutler was better at the age of 25 then Favre was. So I don't think he's a lesser versio or without the same leadership skills.

Might want to do your homework there. Favre had 33 TD passes and only 14 Int's when he was 25, while Cutler was 25/18 with a lower QB rating. Also, Favre had already been to two Pro Bowls at ages 23 & 24, while Cutler hadn't been to any.

There are more important things than TD passes, INTs and QB rating.

winning record, maybe??Cutler has never had a winning season as a starting QB since HS, Favre never had an NFL loosing season until he was 36 years old.

That seems like fair analysis. I forgot about those tough SEC defenses Favre was facing.At age 25, Cutler's been a better QB than Favre. He'll likely be a worse QB when it's all said and done (duh), but that's not really the point.

I am on this as well.Favre has thrown for more TDs by 25 than Cutler did. He had a better reg season win %. He also won a couple of playoff games. By what measure are you saying that Cutler at 25 is better than Favre at 25?

 

[Chase Stuart]

Not that Favre was amazing at the age of 25, but Cutler was better at the age of 25 then Favre was. So I don't think he's a lesser versio or without the same leadership skills.

Might want to do your homework there. Favre had 33 TD passes and only 14 Int's when he was 25, while Cutler was 25/18 with a lower QB rating. Also, Favre had already been to two Pro Bowls at ages 23 & 24, while Cutler hadn't been to any.

There are more important things than TD passes, INTs and QB rating.

winning record, maybe??Cutler has never had a winning season as a starting QB since HS, Favre never had an NFL loosing season until he was 36 years old.

That seems like fair analysis. I forgot about those tough SEC defenses Favre was facing.At age 25, Cutler's been a better QB than Favre. He'll likely be a worse QB when it's all said and done (duh), but that's not really the point.

I am on this as well.Favre has thrown for more TDs by 25 than Cutler did. He had a better reg season win %. He also won a couple of playoff games. By what measure are you saying that Cutler at 25 is better than Favre at 25?

Yards (or yards per attempt) and sack rate.

 

[Wilbur Wood]

I would rather have Cassel than Cutler just based on what I know. But I'm not an NFL GM.

And as a Charger fan, maybe I'm just hardened by how AJ Smith typically handles things, but I don't think McDaniels did anything wrong. Cutler's being a baby.

Can you unpack this a bit? Why?

The bolded probably explains where his opinion comes from the best.

Well MT is a pretty smart guy, but I'm just wondering what he knows that we don't. Cassell didn't start a single game in his college career and was drafted in the 7th round. Cutler started 45 games in his college career, for a bad team in the SEC, and was drafted in the first round. In one year playing 16 games, Cassel completed 63.4%, had a TD% of 4.1, an Int% of 2.1 and a Y/A of 7.2, all with a team that went 11-5. In his first year playing 16 games, Cutler completed 63.6%, had a TD% of 4.3, an Int% of 3.0 and a Y/A of 7.5 with a team that went 7-9. He followed that up in his second season going 62.3%, 4.1, 2.9 and 7.3 in those categories for a 8-8 team. What am I missing?

I'm basing it just on what I know (or believe) which is nowhere near the level of information McDaniels, Pioli, et al. have.To me, one of the most important attributes in a QB is his leadership. He has to have a strong will, a positive attitude, and the respect of his teammates. A strong arm is nice, but is not nearly as important as a lot of people seem to think. JMHO.

I've heard (I forgot where) that a lot of Cutler's teammates don't really like him. They consider him to be arrogant.

From what I've seen of him myself in interviews, I don't think he has a great attitude, and I also find him arrogant. And a bit whiny.

His reaction to this stuff helps confirm my previous beliefs about him.

Cassel, meanwhile, has excellent mechanics and is apparently capable of running a complicated offense. He showed huge improvement over the course of the 2008 season, while Cutler did not. If anything, Cutler looked worse at the end of the season than he did at the beginning. (Cutler seems to make particularly bad decisions in the red zone, from what I've seen.)

I understand that people love Cutler's arm and athleticism. He's another Elway in those respects. But I personally don't think he's currently on the right track to be winner in the NFL. In spite of his obvious physical skills, I'd rather have a guy with better leadership skills and attitude. I could be wrong about Cutler. Like I said, I'm just going by my own admittedly very limited info.

Play role reversal. Put the 2008 Cassell in Denver and the 2008 Cutler behind the 16-0 (year before) Pats and I think we might see a completely different picture. Cutler had no defense, a bunch of scrub RBs with a line that doesn't run block like it use to and was basically expected to single-handedly win games in shootouts. Cassell was in an infinitely better situation.