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I assume you mean the Eagles run a fast paced offense... but that doesn't answer the question of why the Bills wouldn't trade him (rather than let him walk in 2015).Sabertooth said:
if it's surprising to you I'm pretty sure that makes you the only one in the thread surprised by it --- but I don't want to speak for anyone.
Awful Waffle said:
no idea. The speculation could be wrong. None of it is from the organization; they don't usually comment on contract talks. Just radio, newspaper, etc.
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Spiller has missed three games in his four years in the league, guy. If he's "injury prone," then so is every RB in the NFL.
I think this has been discussed before. Thinking he is injury prone is the perception, the reality that he's only missed three games is also misleading. He does get pulled a lot throughout games and has played through injuries that have affected his big play ability. I'm not arguing that I think he's injury prone but he still has to prove he could be like a Jamaal Charles and shoulder that full load.
A few over zealous owners, maybe, but no one with any sense of perspective seriously thought he was taking McCoy's job. Just typical November redraftworkleaguegyys hype in the SP.
Spiller's history indicates he'll continue getting about 200 carries, but that could change. The Buffalo coaches seem intent on providing him lots of touches. Albeit things don't always go according to a coach's vision, evident by Spiller's usage last year; but sometimes the play goes according to the script. Because it hasn't worked out yet doesn't mean it never will; call me encouraged that it could given the coaching staff's continued verbal commitment.
The point of auditioning him this year is to see whether they need to address the RB position again in the draft next year. Fred will definitely be gone next year and if Spiller struggles to stay healthy and has another underwhelming year, he could walk too. I think the general idea of the Bills organization is to grab Brown now and get him used to the system behind Fred and just let Fred grind it out one more year. If the wheels come off or if there is an injury to either one, then they can use Brown earlier than they expected.
Only problem I see with waiting is that if he looks good in preseason, his value isn't going to drop even if he doesn't play a snap in the regular season because the owner knows what's ahead in 2015.
I would definitely try to get Brown in your situation as well; he would have more value for you than anybody. What kind of price tag does he have in your league? I happily got him for a future 2nd, pairing him with Spiller also.
It all depends on whether they plan to resign Spiller. But it definitely makes sense to run Jackson a bunch, reminiscent of how the Patriots used Blount before they let him go.
Highly doubtful. I think the 1st thing that needs to happen for that pick to be a 3rd is for Stevie Johnson to meet his conditions- if he doesn't, Buffalo gets SF's 4th and sends that to Philly to complete the trade. If he does, then the pick moves to 2016, and it'll be a 4th rounder if Brown doesn't meet the conditions and a 3rd if he does. However, he would have both 2014 and 2015 to meet the conditions, so unless they plan on not giving him the ball in 2015 as well, it wouldn't make sense to hold off next year because of that.
gotcha more moving pieces than I understood.
I tried to get him for this year's 3.01 pick. Brown owner never even acknowledged the offer, just saw it and kept on ingoring. I will try to offer a future 2nd like you suggest, but I don't know if the owner is just ignoring me or flaky or what his deal is. I prefer working with reasonable people. Don't like my offer, reject it and let me off the hook already. It's not hard.
Per the conditional pick, that doesn't enter my thoughts on how the Bills plan to run both CJ Spiller and Fred Jackson in their contract years.
That shows they are not only different runners but that the Bills use them differently. Its pretty obvious they use Spiller between the 20s and F-Jax near the goal-line. Add CJ isn't a 'great' reciever out of the backfield.
It depends on how deep the league is and format, but IMO 3.01 is a pretty bad lowball offer for Brown. In typical formats, rookie 3rds are coin flips to even make decent rosters much of the time. To put it in perspective, I've had late 1sts turned down trying to get Brown -- and I don't think that's unreasonable on the part of the Brown owners. I wouldn't auto-accept a late 1st in the leagues where I do own him; it would depend on team need and who was available when the pick came up.
IMO you guys are over thinking this- the Bills are going to play the guys who they feel give them the best chance to win in 2014. The Pats ran Blount because he was very effective, not because they planned on letting him go or wanted to "save" Ridley.
It's a deep, start 2 QB league. So QB's are very valuable and tend to bubble sort typical rookies down by a half round or more. Also thrown in the mix are some surprising waiver wire vets. One of them this year was Monte Ball. I don't think a rookie 3rd is such a bad offer. For perspective, I took Davante Adams there at 3.01.
Blount ran so effectively the Pats decided not to resign him.
The Pats didn't decide not to resign him, he just got more money from the Steelers. Do you really think they felt Ridley was the better player but they wanted to give Blount the carries so they could save Ridley for the future?
I don't think the conditional pick figures into things much but I do believe that contracts figure into how teams plan to use players.
The Bills will have nothing to lose except the most important thing- games. I agree that FJax and Spiller will have incentive to run hard and do well, but it's still going to come down to production. They aren't going to play more just because of their contract situation if they aren't producing on the field.
Both Spiller and Jackson have proven they are good backs so we don't have to go to the argument the Bills would slavishly stick with bad RB production that would cost them games just to justify their salaries.
We could squabble about the Patriot's handling of Ridley v. Blount all day and it will not make a lick of difference regarding the Bills situation. At this point, I think it's safe to say Brown come in as the back up. Unless he performs spectacularly, or Jackson flat out sucks, the roles remain the same.
It's not reasonable to think they would leave better production on the bench due to these contracts.Both Spiller and Jackson have proven they are good backs so we don't have to go to the argument the Bills would slavishly stick with bad RB production that would cost them games just to justify their salaries.
That doesn't even enter the reasonable thought process of how the Bills will use two talented RBs who are highly/overpaid entering their contract years with a talent yet reasonably/underpaid RB waiting in the wings. I can't add anything more and said my peace.
Lol, you're the one who brought up Blount as a comparison to FJax, but now that you see how silly it is it's irrelevant?
I brought it up, but now I'm burying it; not because it's 'silly and irrelevant', rather there's no sense in derailing a Bryce Brown thread with talk about Ridley and Blount.
Do you do this sarcastic schtick every other post? Plus, my point was that Spiller is still part of the Bills' plans and could easily be so again next season.
