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McCoy to see a Concussion Specialist in Pittsburgh...

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Still in Phase 4 of the concussion program, LeSean McCoy and Michael Vick have been ruled out for Week 14.

McCoy was sent to the concussion center in Pittsburgh, which is never a good sign. He's been very tired at night and still has symptoms when active. Neither player has passed his ImPACT test, though both are taking it again on Friday. Vick is working out at a high level, but his reaction time is still an issue. We wouldn't expect either player to be available for Week 15. Dec 7 - 1:09 PM
Did McCoy take a step back? Not sure whether it was a mistake in the article/tweet, but I thought he was in phase 3?
FYI. If he was in stage 3 and now he's in stage 4...that would be progress.

 
McCoy to see a Concussion Specialist in Pittsburgh...

Link

Still in Phase 4 of the concussion program, LeSean McCoy and Michael Vick have been ruled out for Week 14.

McCoy was sent to the concussion center in Pittsburgh, which is never a good sign. He's been very tired at night and still has symptoms when active. Neither player has passed his ImPACT test, though both are taking it again on Friday. Vick is working out at a high level, but his reaction time is still an issue. We wouldn't expect either player to be available for Week 15. Dec 7 - 1:09 PM
Did McCoy take a step back? Not sure whether it was a mistake in the article/tweet, but I thought he was in phase 3?
FYI. If he was in stage 3 and now he's in stage 4...that would be progress.
right goal is stage 5. Stage 1 is the first stage of a concussion. Hence...1. :mellow:
 
McCoy to see a Concussion Specialist in Pittsburgh...

Link

Still in Phase 4 of the concussion program, LeSean McCoy and Michael Vick have been ruled out for Week 14.

McCoy was sent to the concussion center in Pittsburgh, which is never a good sign. He's been very tired at night and still has symptoms when active. Neither player has passed his ImPACT test, though both are taking it again on Friday. Vick is working out at a high level, but his reaction time is still an issue. We wouldn't expect either player to be available for Week 15. Dec 7 - 1:09 PM
Did McCoy take a step back? Not sure whether it was a mistake in the article/tweet, but I thought he was in phase 3?
FYI. If he was in stage 3 and now he's in stage 4...that would be progress.
I thought I read somewhere that even though it might seem like progress, the later stages are the ones where progression occurs more slowly. 1-3 are quicker than 4-5. Not sure, though.
 
'MCguidance said:
'Scooby1974 said:
'Sweet Love said:
'unckeyherb said:
McCoy to see a Concussion Specialist in Pittsburgh...

Link

Still in Phase 4 of the concussion program, LeSean McCoy and Michael Vick have been ruled out for Week 14.

McCoy was sent to the concussion center in Pittsburgh, which is never a good sign. He's been very tired at night and still has symptoms when active. Neither player has passed his ImPACT test, though both are taking it again on Friday. Vick is working out at a high level, but his reaction time is still an issue. We wouldn't expect either player to be available for Week 15. Dec 7 - 1:09 PM
Did McCoy take a step back? Not sure whether it was a mistake in the article/tweet, but I thought he was in phase 3?
FYI. If he was in stage 3 and now he's in stage 4...that would be progress.
I thought I read somewhere that even though it might seem like progress, the later stages are the ones where progression occurs more slowly. 1-3 are quicker than 4-5. Not sure, though.
I was researching this and I posted most of an article and a link below that details a lot of Vick's rehab but in general sheds light on the concussion protocol process.I bolded the part that discusses the phases. Maybe I'm wrong on how I'm interpreting this article and if so I welcome people telling me that but it sounds to me like the phases are just a part of the rehab process and these "rehab phases" are really just one of a 4 part process. Judging from the article an increase in phases simply means putting in a symptom free workout at higher heart rates. I'm not sure if a player can even regress in his phases but I think a lot us assumed when a player increased his phases he was passing baseline tests or getting positive results back from his exams but I'm not sure that has anything to do with it.

http://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/2012/12/02/nfl-teams-have-strict-protocols-players-returning-after-concussions/CoKuuuNf8AivtGFFEDCqVO/story.html

There are basically four components: the baseline cognitive test, a rehab program, the independent neurologist, and the team physician. A player may pass most of the criteria, but he will not be cleared until he passes all of it.

■ Baseline: The Eagles use the ImPACT Test, which is short for Immediate Post-Concussion Assessment and Cognitive Testing. Each player is given a baseline brain test before the season starts. He will not clear the ImPACT test until his postconcussion baseline test is close enough to the preseason exam.

“It’s sensitive enough that you know that they can’t fudge it,” Burkholder said. “We’re dealing with symptoms, and when we’re dealing with symptoms, the players have to tell me what they are and I have to believe them.

“On this ImPACT test, there’s enough sensitivity in the test that they can’t fudge it. They can’t get away [with it]. It’s matching and matching designs and looking at and recognizing colors and stuff like that that they can’t hide.”

■ Rehab: There are five phases, in which the heart rate is increased each time, and the player has to go through it without showing symptoms — 30 to 40 percent of target heart rate; 40 to 60 percent (including some dumbbell and balance work); 80 percent with sprint work, full weight work in a noisy environment; return to football activity with non-contact skill work; and finally contact football work.

Usually, 24 hours of recovery is given between each phase, and the players must emerge asymptomatic from each one.

■ Team physician: He or she will see the player a handful of times, and improvement is sought with each checkup.

■ Independent neurologist: Usually the final hurdle to make sure everything has checked out and that the player is ready to return to the field.

As far as Vick (left), he has been having trouble getting past the ImPACT test.

“He has not gotten back to baseline on that,” Burkholder said. “He’s still off in a few areas.

“That’s not alarming to us. It happens, and he will not return to total football practice until I can get him to do a little better on that ImPACT test, and that’s what I was telling you guys last week.

“None of this stuff is like, ‘Well, if he passed the ImPACT, does he do this?’ No, they’re all independent of each other. He’s got to fulfill this criteria.

Some guys pass the ImPACT right away and can’t get through the rehab program. Some guys get through the rehab program but can’t do the ImPACT test. Some of them do everything and won’t get cleared by the neurologist. Some won’t get cleared by [team doctor Gary] Dorshimer.

“That’s why I tell you that every day we take it day by day. In reality, he hasn’t checked anything off of his sheet yet except the first three phases of rehab.

 
For those that were lucky enough to survive this disaster, can Brown be trusted next week against Cincinnati in their playoff matchup? It would be a huge risk.

 
How does the dude do back to back 40 point weeks then rush for 6 yards? Makes no sense
I am not saying he isn't good, but he isn't as good as people thought. Basicaly you were taken in by a small sample size against weak Run D's. Carolina has one of the worst Run defenses and Dallas's D was ravaged by injury, especially up the middle, at the time PHI played them. Today you saw what he will do against a good Run D. If you were lucky enough to slip by this week, the next two weeks will be rough sledding for him too. Bottom Line: people draw conclusions far too quickly based on small sample size, without considering the competition and situation.
 
How does the dude do back to back 40 point weeks then rush for 6 yards? Makes no sense
I am not saying he isn't good, but he isn't as good as people thought. Basicaly you were taken in by a small sample size against weak Run D's. Carolina has one of the worst Run defenses and Dallas's D was ravaged by injury, especially up the middle, at the time PHI played them.

Today you saw what he will do against a good Run D. If you were lucky enough to slip by this week, the next two weeks will be rough sledding for him too.



Bottom Line: people draw conclusions far too quickly based on small sample size, without considering the competition and situation.
Isn't that what you are doing? :mellow:
 
How does the dude do back to back 40 point weeks then rush for 6 yards? Makes no sense
I am not saying he isn't good, but he isn't as good as people thought. Basicaly you were taken in by a small sample size against weak Run D's. Carolina has one of the worst Run defenses and Dallas's D was ravaged by injury, especially up the middle, at the time PHI played them.

Today you saw what he will do against a good Run D. If you were lucky enough to slip by this week, the next two weeks will be rough sledding for him too.



Bottom Line: people draw conclusions far too quickly based on small sample size, without considering the competition and situation.
Isn't that what you are doing? :mellow:
Not quite. I am making a correction in over the top hype. Note that I am not saying he sucks based on one bad performance.
 
How does the dude do back to back 40 point weeks then rush for 6 yards? Makes no sense
I am not saying he isn't good, but he isn't as good as people thought. Basicaly you were taken in by a small sample size against weak Run D's. Carolina has one of the worst Run defenses and Dallas's D was ravaged by injury, especially up the middle, at the time PHI played them.

Today you saw what he will do against a good Run D. If you were lucky enough to slip by this week, the next two weeks will be rough sledding for him too.



Bottom Line: people draw conclusions far too quickly based on small sample size, without considering the competition and situation.
Isn't that what you are doing? :mellow:
Not quite. I am making a correction in over the top hype. Note that I am not saying he sucks based on one bad performance.
Okay, I guess some need to state the obvious. Not sure why, I can't relate... Maybe I should try it. Did you say something about this before today's game?
 
For those that were lucky enough to survive this disaster, can Brown be trusted next week against Cincinnati in their playoff matchup? It would be a huge risk.
Like i said before, it was only a matter of time until Reid went back to his pass freaking happy no run game offense...Foles had 57 pass attempts today vs 12 rushes ( poorly called plays for that matter too )
 
For those that were lucky enough to survive this disaster, can Brown be trusted next week against Cincinnati in their playoff matchup? It would be a huge risk.
Like i said before, it was only a matter of time until Reid went back to his pass freaking happy no run game offense...Foles had 57 pass attempts today vs 12 rushes ( poorly called plays for that matter too )
Dude, they were playing like the number 1 run defense and the 31 pass defense - and Brown wasn;t giving him any hope
 
'The Dude said:
'delusional said:
'KingPrawn said:
For those that were lucky enough to survive this disaster, can Brown be trusted next week against Cincinnati in their playoff matchup? It would be a huge risk.
Like i said before, it was only a matter of time until Reid went back to his pass freaking happy no run game offense...Foles had 57 pass attempts today vs 12 rushes ( poorly called plays for that matter too )
Dude, they were playing like the number 1 run defense and the 31 pass defense - and Brown wasn;t giving him any hope
Foles had 51 pass attempts in this game and Brown only had 12 rushing attempts. Hard to do much when he barely touched the ball.
 
1) They played the best rushing defense in the NFL.

2) They played the worst passing defense in the NFL.

3) They tried to run early and didn't have success.

4) They fell behind and had to throw.

He'll be better against Cincinnati. Maybe not 170 yards and 2 TD's better, but better than today.

 
'The Dude said:
'delusional said:
'KingPrawn said:
For those that were lucky enough to survive this disaster, can Brown be trusted next week against Cincinnati in their playoff matchup? It would be a huge risk.
Like i said before, it was only a matter of time until Reid went back to his pass freaking happy no run game offense...Foles had 57 pass attempts today vs 12 rushes ( poorly called plays for that matter too )
Dude, they were playing like the number 1 run defense and the 31 pass defense - and Brown wasn;t giving him any hope
Foles had 51 pass attempts in this game and Brown only had 12 rushing attempts. Hard to do much when he barely touched the ball.
Andy Ball will never die.
 
1) They played the best rushing defense in the NFL.

2) They played the worst passing defense in the NFL.

3) They tried to run early and didn't have success.

4) They fell behind and had to throw.

He'll be better against Cincinnati. Maybe not 170 yards and 2 TD's better, but better than today.
You're not really going out on much of a limb here, are you? He could have 15 yards rushing, and he would be better than yesterday, wouldn't he?
 
How about running the ball up the middle. Brown either by design or choice tried to take everything around the corner...looking for the big "splash" play.

 
No way I'm trusting him for the fantasy playoffs against a stout Cincy defense (starting CIN DST). It was a nice 2 week surprise, but Philly isn't surprising anyone else going forward. I don't see Brown flirting with 30 pt fantasy games anymore, and if you are in the playoffs you likely have safer options.

 
Greg Cosell of NFL Films was on Sports Radio this morning saying exactly what Delusional was stating above. Andy Reid's offense is a pass first offense. The problem being, the formations in which they use really leave the RB with very little room to run. I'm not explaining it nearly as well as he did, but he was saying that Reid could do similar things and leave himself a running game if he'd just change the formation. Cosell said that if the Eagles used he same strategy/formation that they used the previous two weeks, it would have given Brown some running room/opportunity. He also mentioned that if the Eagles would run an offense similar to Houston's...where they allow the stud RB's they have to dictate the game...it would take pressure off the QB. This SEEMS like a much better idea given that Philly has two guys (one proven in Shady) and one that we all speculate could be (Bryce Brown) top 5-10 backs in this league. Cosell made mention that Brown would be the best lead RB if Philly went with the same Houston Offense, given his North/South running style.

Reid lives by the pass and dies by the pass. Unfortunately for the Eagles, when you live by the pass and you have a lousy/broken line and you have a QB that can't read the D (Vick) and a rookie QB making questionable throws that should get picked off and don't (Foles)...and you make them pass upwards of 50 times a game...suffering 3 and outs....you have a recipe for disaster. Things worked out yesterday, but as someone put it, 1 win every 70 days just isn't going to cut it in Philly, or anywhere else for that matter.

 
McCoy cleared to practice!

LeSean McCoy and Michael Vick have both passed their concussion tests and been medically cleared to resume practicing.Vick won't be playing on Thursday night, but McCoy might have a chance. Both players may return to practice on Tuesday. If McCoy does rejoin the lineup -- and we may not know for sure until the inactives for Bengals-Eagles are announced Thursday evening -- it would be an obvious blow to Bryce Brown's Week 15 fantasy outlook. Stay tuned. The Eagles have benched Vick in favor of Nick Foles, but they've made no such commitments in their offensive backfield.
http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/5168/lesean-mccoy
 
Not sure what to make of the McCoy news, but this can not be good for Brown owners who are in the playoffs. Coupled with McCoy news and yesterday's totals makes me looking at plugging DMC back in over Brown. Thank you Mr. Brown for assisting many into FF playoffs.

 
Not sure what to make of the McCoy news, but this can not be good for Brown owners who are in the playoffs. Coupled with McCoy news and yesterday's totals makes me looking at plugging DMC back in over Brown. Thank you Mr. Brown for assisting many into FF playoffs.
It would be a huge shock if McCoy plays Thursday night. He has not been cleared by the NFL for game action. He has only been cleared to possibly participate in practice. At best he might be able to get back for the title games in week 16, but you'd have to be truly desperate to start him in that game with no idea how much he'll be used. Of course Brown-owners would be in the same boat in week 16.
 
http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/5168/lesean-mccoy

Updating a previous item, LeSean McCoy and Michael Vick have not yet been cleared from their concussions to play in football games.

McCoy and Vick have been cleared to resume practicing, but neither has seen an independent neurologist. NFL protocol requires concussed players to be cleared by the neurologist before they return to game-day action. So Bryce Brown's fantasy owners may not have to worry about McCoy affecting their late-season star's Week 15 workload just yet. The Bengals and Eagles square off on Thursday night. Eagles beat writer Tim McManus considers it "difficult to imagine" McCoy or Vick being active for Thursday's game, "but time will tell." Dec 10 - 5:17 PM
 
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Thursday night in a semi final matchup - I think I am ok with missing the boat on Brown this week if he explodes. Good luck to everyone, I hope he goes off again.

 
Thursday night in a semi final matchup - I think I am ok with missing the boat on Brown this week if he explodes. Good luck to everyone, I hope he goes off again.
Who are you benching him for?Can't help but notice Brown has done well in primetime
 
Thursday night in a semi final matchup - I think I am ok with missing the boat on Brown this week if he explodes. Good luck to everyone, I hope he goes off again.
Who are you benching him for?Can't help but notice Brown has done well in primetime
I'm more worried about the matchup and Reid getting away from the run. Cincy is giving up only 105 a game, but has given up 11 TDs and 4.2 yards per rush. If you care about my team:I have to choose 2 from: Doug Martin, DMC, Ridley, Leshoure, and Brown. Martin gets the nod and I am leaning DMC on matchup over the others. I could see myself starting him, but I like DMC's matchup better. Ridley against SF is tough.
 
Thursday night in a semi final matchup - I think I am ok with missing the boat on Brown this week if he explodes. Good luck to everyone, I hope he goes off again.
Who are you benching him for?Can't help but notice Brown has done well in primetime
In my case, I've got to pick 2 from Al. Morris, D. Murray, B. Brown, D. Wilson, and A. Green. Green is pretty much out of the equation.Morris is a lock. If Bradshaw sits for NYG, I'll likely go with D. Wilson. Otherwise, I think I'm going with Murray simply because I feel like Dallas has the better offense and he'll get more chances to score than Brown.
 
I'm going to kick Andy Reid in his fat ### if he continues to have Brown like last game turning the corner every running play instead of between the tackles.

 
Not sure this means anything, but Cincy D is giving up the most receptions per game to opposing running backs - 6.7. They also give up the 6th most FFP/game, too. Obtained this info via Yahoo, fwiw.

 
Not sure this means anything, but Cincy D is giving up the most receptions per game to opposing running backs - 6.7. They also give up the 6th most FFP/game, too. Obtained this info via Yahoo, fwiw.
PPR vs nonPPR would make a big difference. 6th vs 14th
 
Sunday the Eagles passed 51 times and only ran it 16 times with three runs scrambles so they actually only had 13 called runs compared to 54 (adding in the three scrambles off of busted passing plays) passing plays called.

Three things favor Bryce Brown Thursday:

1. Bengals defense ranks 22nd against the run Sunday he faced the Bucs #1 run defense against the run so this is a better matchup

2. Sunday the Eagles passed for ridiculous 381 yards. The Bengals won't be stacking the box daring Nick to pass. The Eagles will run more and pass less.

3. LeSean McCoy passed a series of concussion tests but still needs to get final clearence. He might have some 'limited' practices but their is no reason to rush Shady back especially on a short-week game so I don't expect he'll play. Basically expect Bryce Brown to get the start again Thursday.

Two things work against Bryce Brown Thursday:

1. The much discussed Thursday Night fantasy lull. The scoring will probably not be as high and I don't expect a shootout.

2. Brown came down to earth in a big way last week.

The Thursday Night lull argument intutively makes sense because guys get beat up but Bryce only had 12 carries Sunday after having 24 the week prior. Half the of his recent carry totals so he should be in better shape than the Bengal defenders who will be facing him.

Bryce Brown is not facing the top ranked run defense and he is the same guy who tore though two defenses before he crashed against the Bucs. He's not as bad as he was last week. He has speed and burst and he only needs one run to go the distance.

I feel Bryce will have a bounceback game not only from rushing but have a hunch he'll do damage catching the ball.

I see 85-100 rushing yards with 3-4 receptions for 35-45 yards and 1 score.

I like Bryce's floor this week and even though the Bucs stopped him Sunday I still think he has a high ceiling where he could go off.

One caution. I doubt we see Shady but double-check before plugging Bryce into your starting lineup.

 
tough decision between bryce and dmac vs the bad chiefs.
A bit more grist for the Bryce Brown mill:My link

... LeSean McCoy has passed concussion testing and might practice Tuesday.

It still seems unlikely McCoy will play Thursday, when the Eagles host the Cincinnati Bengals, because he still has to get the OK from an independent neurologist, and this is a really short timeframe.

... Brown ran a dozen times in Tampa, for 6 net yards, and the worst part was, one of the runs went for 11 yards, helping set up the Eagles' opening field goal. So the other 11 carries totaled minus-5.

Not that it was Brown's fault. The Bucs entered the game first in the league against the run, and they proved they deserved that ranking. Sometimes when Brown was taking handoffs, Nick Foles' hands weren't the ones closest to him. He was regularly met in the backfield by more than one Buc.

"They stunted a lot," Brown said. "It was just their day, because they stunted into everything we were going to, and the safeties did a good job, and the corners did a good job of cutting everything. They were right where they needed to be to stop the run."

... If you wanted to design a play to lose yardage consistently against a physical, aggressive run defense, that shotgun draw the Eagles kept running Sunday would sure do the trick.

... According to the esteemed Reu-ben Frank of CSNPhilly.com, Nick Foles was the third rookie quarterback ever to throw for 380+ yards, at least two TDs, and no interceptions. Andrew Luck did it earlier this year, and Marc Bulger did it in 2002.

* A few Eagles rookies seemed absolutely dazed and amazed Monday by the prospect of having just a 4-day gap between games. Let's hope Foles isn't in that camp.
The Bucs run-D is for real. They loaded the box to stop Bryce and they were effective but at a huge cost. They let Foles rip and shred them and the LOST THE GAME selling out to stop the run, daring Foles to rip and shred them. How'd dat work Tampa Bay? You stopped the run, good for you but how'd that work out? Smart or dumb, I mean considering you LOST THE GAME?

I doubt the Bengals will be selling out to stop Bryce like that and they aren't as good stopping the run, 22nd run defense in the NFL. Also I just have a hunch Bryce will be effective catching the ball out of the backfield Thursday Night.

 
I doubt the Bengals will be selling out to stop Bryce like that and they aren't as good stopping the run, 22nd run defense in the NFL. Also I just have a hunch Bryce will be effective catching the ball out of the backfield Thursday Night.
Bracie, where are you getting your stats from? ESPN.com has CIN ranked #11 based on yardage at 105.5 ypg.FWIW, I think playing at home in a short week would generally bode well for the home team offense.

 
I doubt the Bengals will be selling out to stop Bryce like that and they aren't as good stopping the run, 22nd run defense in the NFL. Also I just have a hunch Bryce will be effective catching the ball out of the backfield Thursday Night.
Bracie, where are you getting your stats from? ESPN.com has CIN ranked #11 based on yardage at 105.5 ypg.FWIW, I think playing at home in a short week would generally bode well for the home team offense.
He might mean points given up to RBs. However, I see the Bengals are ranked 24th.
 
I doubt the Bengals will be selling out to stop Bryce like that and they aren't as good stopping the run, 22nd run defense in the NFL. Also I just have a hunch Bryce will be effective catching the ball out of the backfield Thursday Night.
Bracie, where are you getting your stats from? ESPN.com has CIN ranked #11 based on yardage at 105.5 ypg.FWIW, I think playing at home in a short week would generally bode well for the home team offense.
Good question and I use ESPN's fantasy stats of how many fantasy points the Bengals-D surrenders to opposing RBs which is 22nd in the league.Here are the stats they list that the Bengals-D has given up to opposing RBs (non-PPR ~standard scoring):

Bengals vs. RB 22nd

WK OPP ATT YDS TD PTS

1. @BAL 18-100 2 27.3

2. CLE 19-109 1 32.8

3. @WAS 19-88 1 21.2

4. @JAX 15-50 0 13.5

5. MIA 31-72 2 22.4

6. @CLE 30-99 1 22

7. PIT 24-148 1 22.8

8. - BYE -

9. DEN 24-70 0 9.6

10 NYG 19-128 1 22.1

11. @KC 22-106 0 15.5

12 OAK 23-99 0 19.5

13. @SD 9-26 0 09.4

14 DAL 23-60 1 16.6

 
using the cbs metric for points against, the tampa bay run d is ranked 9th. certainly they were ranked worse prior to this week. so not really sure why you consider them the number 1 ranked run d.

 
'MCguidance said:
Thursday night in a semi final matchup - I think I am ok with missing the boat on Brown this week if he explodes. Good luck to everyone, I hope he goes off again.
I'm not risking it and playing Forte and Martin. I can't have another 0 basically, and I don't trust Reid.
 
Love the upside but it would be hard to survive that output two weeks in a row. Playing Moreno against the bad BAL D.

 

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