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Buffalo Rb Situation (1 Viewer)
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Resident A
Footballguy
Don't rule out CJ Spiller. If the top 3 OTs in the draft are gone by pick #8, there's a good chance he's a Bill.
Between Lynch & Jackson, Gailey hasn't indicated what the RB situation will be & it's expected to play out in camp.
Between Lynch & Jackson, Gailey hasn't indicated what the RB situation will be & it's expected to play out in camp.
Id be very surprised if Jackson isn't the starter. He won the team over last year, and he is just a better back than Lynch, even though Lynch is more physically talented. Jackson is the buy low here, not Lynch, especially in PPR leagues.
Honda
Footballguy
He didn't just win over the team last year.. he won over the Fans.Travelled to a game last year and the amount of #22 jerseys was pretty astounding.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
Cant see the Bills spending the 8th pick on a RB when they have soo many needs
identikit
Footballguy
29, last month...
Garts
Footballguy
I know he has very little tread on his tires but stuff happens quickly when a RB hits 3-0
Resident A
Footballguy
If both QBs & 3 OTs are off the board when the Bills pick at #9, Spiller is far & away the best player available. I guess a case could be made for taking Dez Bryant, but I don't think that's as likely. The old Buffalo regime would've reached for the 4th best OT at #9, even if he's the 30th best player. The new regime can't afford to make those mistakes, they will draft BPA.
I am sure the Bills would like to trade Lynch but he is probably more valuable to them than anyone else. Wonder if they have a trade for a late round pick waiting in the wings in April in case the Spiller pick comes up? If my team stunk, I don't know if a RB early in the first would excite me. The few Bills games I saw, teams ran through them like wet toilet paper. Having 3 startable RB's does you no good if you can't stop the run.
With their hole at LT along with their attempt at switching to a 3-4, along with a whole at QB, they've got way more things to worry about lol
Mr. Peterson
Footballguy
Yeah, I don't know where this Spiller talk is coming from but there is probably a 1% chance the Bills draft a RB in the 1st.
Ghost of Bill Walsh
Footballguy
Could be a moot point for the Bills with Spiller. I've seen some recent mocks with Seattle taking Spiller at #6. I don't know if he worth's that high a pick. Who knows,we'll see.
I don't follow the Bills but from what I've seen from them they have way bigger issues than taking a RB with their first pick.
I don't follow the Bills but from what I've seen from them they have way bigger issues than taking a RB with their first pick.
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theglorydays
Footballguy
QB, LT, NT, OLB, WR are all bigger needs.
Tommy Collins
Footballguy
I really want to laugh at these mock drafts that have the Bills taking a RB in the top 10. What's sad is that they would really do something like that. If they take Spiller or Tebow I may have to start watching soccer.
houndirish
Footballguy
I can't see the Bills taking a RB at 9. They drafted Marshawn when they had McGahee. That team had needs far more pressing than RB but had soured on McGahee. They haven't soured on Jackson so even if they don't see Lynch as a guy they can rely on the cupboard isn't bare. If Spiller is the clear cut BPA and they're one the clock they should trade back or try to put Lynch in a package to trade up.
gianmarco
Footballguy
Is that where your name comes from? Lose a previous bet?
trader jake
Footballguy
C.J. Spiller has been ruled out. Unless the Bills want to become the running back version to the Lions wide receiver fetish. Too many needs to pass up on in order to take an offensive position that isn't a high priority.
Wouldn't he be SugarNut then?
The reason they have all of those holes is because they consistently draft "small" players (DBs, RBs , WRs, Maybin) with their premium picks and ignore building the OL and front 7 with big, sturdy. players.Only the Bills would change their defense to a new scheme where all of the players in the front 7 need to be moved or replaced- and then draft more small offensive players
Resident A
Footballguy
Obviously Buffalo should draft a LT, and RB is 1 of only 3 positions they are set at. But if the top-3 OTs are gone at #9, and QBs Bradford & Clausen are off the board, they're not taking OT Bruce Campbell 9th overall. In this very likely scenario, the best available player is Spiller by a lot.
With all their needs, it would suit the Bills to trade down & pick up an extra 2nd. If Houston or SF offer to trade up to #9 for Spiller, I imagine they'll jump on it.
If those 5 players are gone & there is no trade down opportunity, I'm betting Spiller's the pick. Both Jackson & Lynch are decent RBs, but neither is or ever will be, a star. Spiller has a great chance being a star, and you don't pass that up to reach for a need. Remember when Minnesota was ridiculed for drafting ADP because they had Chester freaking Taylor? Chester is actually a clone of Fred Jackson & a similar caliber RB to Lynch.
I don't agree with the pick, but there's a real solid chance the Bills draft Spiller.
With all their needs, it would suit the Bills to trade down & pick up an extra 2nd. If Houston or SF offer to trade up to #9 for Spiller, I imagine they'll jump on it.
If those 5 players are gone & there is no trade down opportunity, I'm betting Spiller's the pick. Both Jackson & Lynch are decent RBs, but neither is or ever will be, a star. Spiller has a great chance being a star, and you don't pass that up to reach for a need. Remember when Minnesota was ridiculed for drafting ADP because they had Chester freaking Taylor? Chester is actually a clone of Fred Jackson & a similar caliber RB to Lynch.
I don't agree with the pick, but there's a real solid chance the Bills draft Spiller.
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
There is zero chance the Bills take Spiller. There are PLENTY of DTs and OTs in this draft that will be very good players. IMO, here's the pool of players the Bills will be looking at: Bradford, Clausen, Suh, McCoy, Baluga, Okung, Campbell, Davis, D. Williams, T. Williams, Cody. That's 11 guys who are all very talented, all could be studs, and all fit major needs for the Bills. The Bills pick 10th. Berry and Haden will very likely go before the Bills pick. There is NO reason to go with Spiller here. The RB position is about the only decent position talent wise on the whole team. Anyone that things the Bills could take Spiller is totally delusional.
karl722
Footballguy
The Bills do have a private meeting scheduled with Spiller, so I don't think that someone would be completely delusional to think that Spiller might be drafted by Buffalo in the first round. See the link below.
http://www.buffalorumblings.com/2010/3/9/1...eet-with-rb-c-j
The Bills pick 9th. Also, Lynch will not be a Bill come draft day, so we will only have a 29 year old Jackson. Spiller might not be such a bad pick.
trader jake
Footballguy
It the Bills trade Lynch the selection of C.J. Spiller would make a great deal of sense. However, that's probably the only scenario where it does.Go deep said:
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
Yeah, don't know why I typed 10th. And I'll disagree with you, the Bills will not trade Lynch. There's no way they can get enough value for him to justify that trade when the hole it would leave would be bigger than the one they could fill with the draft pick they'd get in return. It's a totally new regime in Buffalo and I strongly believe they'll give Lynch a chance.Go deep said:
Mr. Peterson
Footballguy
I was asked yesterday about how I would feel if we drafted Spiller and here's what I think. We draft 9th and I currently have 8 players I would prefer to have over Spiller (as of right now). I would much rather the two DT's, two QB's, three OT's and even Bryant (and possibly Cody). If all those players go before us and we can deal Lynch for at least a mid 3rd then and only then will I be OK with the Bills taking Spiller. But if we pass on one of those players and select Spiller then I will probably be just as pissed as I was last year when the Bills took Maybin over Orakpo and Oher.
I think Spiller will bring a lot of excitement to our team but drafting him just does not make sense for the franchise. We do not have a starting QB on our team, our OT's are absolutely horrible (all of them if you ask me), we do not have a pure NT when we're in the process of switching to a 3-4. We have so many holes and needs that drafting Spiller would just be a terrible decision for the Bills.
I think Spiller will bring a lot of excitement to our team but drafting him just does not make sense for the franchise. We do not have a starting QB on our team, our OT's are absolutely horrible (all of them if you ask me), we do not have a pure NT when we're in the process of switching to a 3-4. We have so many holes and needs that drafting Spiller would just be a terrible decision for the Bills.
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
Even if Lynch were to be traded, I still don't think it would be wise for the Bills to draft Spiller. The Bills are at least two years away from being truly competitive. A RB's effectiveness is going to be 7-8 years which means the team would have Spiller contributing for a max of 6 years for a competetive team.
What makes more sense is to go with Jackson as the guy now and back him up with Lynch or someone else for a couple of more years. Then draft guys like OTs, a QB, DTs, etc who take a few years to develop but who can contribute for 12-15 years. In two years take a RB who can contribute right away and get him for 8 meaningful years.
What makes more sense is to go with Jackson as the guy now and back him up with Lynch or someone else for a couple of more years. Then draft guys like OTs, a QB, DTs, etc who take a few years to develop but who can contribute for 12-15 years. In two years take a RB who can contribute right away and get him for 8 meaningful years.
karl722
Footballguy
What strengthens the possibility of the Bills drafting Spiller at #9 is the fact that we don't know how Buddy Nix manages a draft. We don't know what he values. If he selects based on positional value, then might take LT or QB. In this case he could select the 3rd or 4th best LT or dare I say QB (God, please not Tebow at 9, please have some mercy on us poor Bills fans!) which many would think is a reach at 9. He might select best available player based on need, which the Bills have a lot of needs. Or he might select based on BPA. If he manages a draft on BPA, we could see McClain, Bryant and maybe even Spiller become a Bill.One thing I know for sure is that Nix must hit a home run with the player he selects at #9. A. Davis looks like he'll be the next Mike Williams (I just threw up in my mouth); I've read that Dan Williams would rather play in a 4-3; a lot of people who know more about football than I believe that Trent Williams is a RT. Nix might feel that Spiller is the most sure fire player left at #9.
Mr. Peterson
Footballguy
Trade down to the late 1st to grab Cody and then take Jared Veldheer and possibly LeFevour, McCoy or Skelton in the 2nd (assuming we can pick up a late 2nd for trading down). And then rounds 3-7 we can start building up depth for our new 3-4 Defense. And who knows, maybe we can snag a starter out of those late picks. We need to have a solid draft for any hope for this year or we'll be in the running for Jake Locker.fightingillini
Footballguy
Exactly my thoughts. This is a wait and see situation until after the draft. I am not convinced that Spiller would be the right pick at #8, with all the needs BUF has.
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Resident A
Footballguy
Ready to eat some crow?
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gianmarco
Footballguy
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
That World Cup commercial with Bono narrating is pretty cool.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
At least the World Cup is being held this year.
Jason Wood
Zoo York
It's disconcerting as a fantasy owner. Obviously they plan on using Spiller b/c you don't draft a RB in the Top 10 without big plans for them. I was of the mind that Lynch would be released/traded and that would leave Jackson to get the lion's share of conventional carries with Spiller doing a bit of everything else. But now I'm really confounded. Can Lynch work his way back into the Bills good graces? It seems hard to imagine. But I also struggle with the idea that the Bills will keep him around to not use him, either.I wish I had a clearer recommendation for you, but right now I'm monitoring this situation and definitely think my projections for all three RBs will be fluid until we get a clearer picture a few months from now.
identikit
Footballguy
I'm thinking a new nick should be in order until the regular season: GroveDelusional
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Mighty Mice
Footballguy
(Rotoworld) Coach Chan Gailey "won't be shy about" playing C.J. Spiller in the slot, according to Buffalobills.com.
Analysis: Spiller won't be taking the tailback role away from Fred Jackson and Marshawn Lynch. He did catch over 120 passes at Clemson, and the Bills are weak behind Lee Evans at receiver. Expect him to be used more like a combination of Reggie Bush and Percy Harvin, lining up in the slot and taking occasional pitches and reverses out of the backfield. As a rookie especially, his fantasy value will be much higher in return yardage leagues.
http://football20.myfantasyleague.com/2010...00Rotoworld9822
Analysis: Spiller won't be taking the tailback role away from Fred Jackson and Marshawn Lynch. He did catch over 120 passes at Clemson, and the Bills are weak behind Lee Evans at receiver. Expect him to be used more like a combination of Reggie Bush and Percy Harvin, lining up in the slot and taking occasional pitches and reverses out of the backfield. As a rookie especially, his fantasy value will be much higher in return yardage leagues.
http://football20.myfantasyleague.com/2010...00Rotoworld9822
Do you at least have a right one?
I think doing this kind of stuff (i.e. doing what we can to get the ball in the guy's hands), hurts the long-term value of players. Reggie Bush has shown virtually no progress since he was a rookie. I am scared the same thing will happen to Harvin. Harvin already has Rice ahead of him, and if he fails to develop into a proper receiver for a couple of years and then Berrian is gone, management is going to have to bring in someone to compete for that #2 spot. I would just prefer they teach these guys the "trade" and let them grow. Now that is coming from a fantasy perspective. But if the matchup headaches that guys like Harvin and Bush give to opposing defenses is worth the money they pay them (their value is not as much in stats, but how they open up the O), then that is a different story.
Tackling Dummies
Footballguy
Goooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooal!
gianmarco
Footballguy
Day late and a dollar short pal. I already ate my crow in a seperate thread I made which ultimately got deleted. I assume betting a nut is a precursor to getting a thread deleted.
Shutout
Footballguy
1)Congrats to Resident A!! You completely OWNED about half a dozen guys in this post! Way to look at things logically. Grovedelusional and sugarnut (singular) should buy you a round.
2)Admittedly, I was one that said it would be silly for the Bills to draft a RB in light of other needs but I forgot my own lesson that I like to recite every now and then: A few years ago, I was screaming at the TV when the Cardinals used their first round pick to pick a tackle, and in the process of doing so, passed on drafting Adrian Peterson. I didn't care that they had Edge and a couple of others. I wanted them to get the guy with the talent...but they didn't. I have wondered several times since then if they would have been more successful had they drafted ADP instead of going with the need. IMO, I think they may have been devastating to try to stop with ADP. Moral of the story: I can't bash the Bills for taking BPA instead of a need pick because I have seen how you lose opportunity when you do that...sometimes.
2)Admittedly, I was one that said it would be silly for the Bills to draft a RB in light of other needs but I forgot my own lesson that I like to recite every now and then: A few years ago, I was screaming at the TV when the Cardinals used their first round pick to pick a tackle, and in the process of doing so, passed on drafting Adrian Peterson. I didn't care that they had Edge and a couple of others. I wanted them to get the guy with the talent...but they didn't. I have wondered several times since then if they would have been more successful had they drafted ADP instead of going with the need. IMO, I think they may have been devastating to try to stop with ADP. Moral of the story: I can't bash the Bills for taking BPA instead of a need pick because I have seen how you lose opportunity when you do that...sometimes.
