Cadillac Williams Is Frustrated (1 Viewer)

[packersfan]

Can't say I blame him. He has to share in the blame for the bad running game so far but I continue to be shocked at how poorly Gruden uses him. Even last Monday night in a game in which they were playing from the front for much of the game, Gruden refused to truly commit to the running game. If it didn't work he'd go right back to throwing the ball a lot. Given how bad his QB has been that approach is pretty amazing in my opinion. The best example that comes to mind from that game was in the fourth quarter when the Bucs were driving and down 17-7. Cadillac had a nice run to get the Bucs a first down inside the 20. So what does Gruden do then? He takes Cadillac out and throws three straight times. Big surprise they then had to kick a FG. I just don't think Gruden is giving Cadillac a real chance to succeed.

Anyway, here's the article:

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[NinerK]

Can't say I blame him. He has to share in the blame for the bad running game so far but I continue to be shocked at how poorly Gruden uses him. Even last Monday night in a game in which they were playing from the front for much of the game, Gruden refused to truly commit to the running game. If it didn't work he'd go right back to throwing the ball a lot. Given how bad his QB has been that approach is pretty amazing in my opinion. The best example that comes to mind from that game was in the fourth quarter when the Bucs were driving and down 17-7. Cadillac had a nice run to get the Bucs a first down inside the 20. So what does Gruden do then? He takes Cadillac out and throws three straight times. Big surprise they then had to kick a FG. I just don't think Gruden is giving Cadillac a real chance to succeed.

Anyway, here's the article:

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I agree; Caddy was my #1 pick @ 1.12 and has been a disapointment. I sat him for the 3rd time last week and he will continue to sit. Heck, at this point I would drop him but we have a 6-team playoff and don't want anybody to pick him up.......Everybody on that team should be frustrated. Passing the ball as much as they do does not make sense at all. I've only watched a few TB games this year but Gradkowski misses a TON of throws and open receivers on his checkdowns. Like you said Packersfan, Caddy gets a few yards and then gets pulled. Happens all the time, not just in the redzone.

You would think that with the poor defensive and QB play they would at least try to get Caddy the ball more.

 

[TheDirtyWord]

IMO, I think they are outmatched along the LOS. Couple that with the fact that I think Cadillac has for whatever reason lost some of his explosiveness (which is his differentiator) and you've got your reason why the Bucs are having trouble putting together any type of effective ground attack.

That said, shame on Cadillac for not developing into a more reliable receiver out of the backfield because this would be an area he could do some damage in.

 

[NinerK]

That said, shame on Cadillac for not developing into a more reliable receiver out of the backfield because this would be an area he could do some damage in.

I've seen Gradkowski pass up a checkdown to Caddy SEVERAL times in different games only to throw into double coverage. He's not accurate enough to make those throws into double coverage...Did I miss something? Isn't Gruden a "QB Coach"? I would think he could help him find Caddy in the flat.....

 

[packersfan]

I think Cadillac's running hard. I don't see an issue there. The Bucs definitely have offensive line issues and that doesn't help but I also don't understand why Gruden tried nearly every run last week against the Panthers up the gut. There was no imagination to the running game at all in my opinion. That and I counted two times the entire game where Cadillac had back-to-back carries. I realize he wasn't doing a lot with most of his carries but Cadillac has proven he's a guy who gets better with more carries and as the game goes on but Gruden's not giving him a chance on either count there - especially lately. And when you factor in how bad Gradkowski has been and how bad Simms was before he got hurt, it makes even less sense for Gruden to go into every game trying to win the game with his QB. And yet that's what he's been doing. I like Gruden. I think he's a good head coach but he really reminds me of what I saw from Steve Mariucci last season in terms of how he mishandled Kevin Jones and never really gave Jones a chance most weeks. We've seen this season how good Jones can be when he's given a key role on the offense and not ignored. I think the same could happen with Cadillac - maybe not this season.

I do agree, though, that Cadillac has not improved as a receiver and that's an area of his game that is a major weakness. Given his head coach's fondness for the passing game one would think Cadillac would work extra hard in that area to make sure he stays on the field more.

 

[mightyeskimo]

Caddy has been targeted 35 times this year for 21 receptions. That's a 60% completion percentage. By way of comparison:

Reggie Bush is 74/54 73%

Kevin Jones is 68/53 78%

Steven Jackson is 57/47 82%

Ronnie Brown is 32/28 88%

Joseph Addai 36/28 78%

Thomas Jones is 33/26 79%

Certainly leaves some room for improvement. However, I haven't seen a lot of these attempts so I don't know how on target they were.

 

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[Wadsworth]

Caddy needs to relax. Gruden is a coaching genius who can't be stopped. I'm sure however Gruden is using Caddy it's the perfect way to use him and Caddy is just not smart enough to understand the brilliant method the genius coach Gruden is using. Afterall, Gruden has won the big one and that proves he has what it takes. Ignore that part about him having only one play off appearance and a losing record since winning the Super Bowl. Ignore the fact that there's hardly a good player on the team under 30. Chuckie=genius, Caddy should just relax and enjoy the ride.

 

[Andrew]

Caddy has been targeted 35 times this year for 21 receptions. That's a 60% completion percentage. By way of comparison:Reggie Bush is 74/54 73%Kevin Jones is 68/53 78%Steven Jackson is 57/47 82%Ronnie Brown is 32/28 88%Joseph Addai 36/28 78%Thomas Jones is 33/26 79%Certainly leaves some room for improvement. However, I haven't seen a lot of these attempts so I don't know how on target they were.

Gradkowski has been one of the worst qb's I've seen at throwing the checkdown/swing pass this year. Even when they are caught, the throws are off target a lot. If you saw the MNF game, witness the throw to Ike Hilliard out of the backfield where Hilliard had to pick it up off his shoetops.Combine that with his inaccurate deep balls. It's astonishing, really, for someone who set the completion percentage record in college. He does throw nice slants and curls, though.My guess is that on the checkdowns he just gets jumpy in there, because at least some of the time he'll check down before the play even has a chance to develop. (And I'm not talking about swing passes there, I know that sometimes those are designed with one downfield read, then hit the flat.) I dunno, just a theory.As for Cadillac, it is true that he has room for improvement. He's certainly no Brian Westbrook out of the backfield. From what I've seen, he seems to be getting better, certainly better than the beginning of last year, where he looked very raw and hesitant catching the ball.I think that you also have to take into account that Michael Pittman is a great receiver and pass protector, so he's always in there on third downs, and gets a lot of easier third down checkdowns/screen passes on those 3rd and 12 type plays where the defense is giving them those 5-7 yards.Anyway, just the opinion of one Bucs fan, hope it helps.

 

[wilked]

He has been disappointing, but since I got him at 2.11 it is not the end of the world. I am hoping to get a good finish for the season though

 

[redman]

He has been disappointing, but since I got him at 2.11 it is not the end of the world. I am hoping to get a good finish for the season though

Let me tell you something my friend. Hope is a dangerous thing. Hope can drive a man insane.

 

[Liquid Tension]

Caddy has been targeted 35 times this year for 21 receptions. That's a 60% completion percentage. By way of comparison:Reggie Bush is 74/54 73%Kevin Jones is 68/53 78%Steven Jackson is 57/47 82%Ronnie Brown is 32/28 88%Joseph Addai 36/28 78%Thomas Jones is 33/26 79%Certainly leaves some room for improvement. However, I haven't seen a lot of these attempts so I don't know how on target they were.

Good stats, where do you get these?

 

[Ned]

He has been disappointing, but since I got him at 2.11 it is not the end of the world. I am hoping to get a good finish for the season though

good info here. tia

 

[Sopranos]

he is frustrated because he looks bad. He isnt breaking any tackles this season. Not the same guy that would drag 2-3 guys down field for extra yards. :(

 

[Capella]

Caddy needs to relax. Gruden is a coaching genius who can't be stopped. I'm sure however Gruden is using Caddy it's the perfect way to use him and Caddy is just not smart enough to understand the brilliant method the genius coach Gruden is using. Afterall, Gruden has won the big one and that proves he has what it takes. Ignore that part about him having only one play off appearance and a losing record since winning the Super Bowl. Ignore the fact that there's hardly a good player on the team under 30. Chuckie=genius, Caddy should just relax and enjoy the ride.

So you tell me supergenius, what would you do with a rookie QB and two rookie linemen? How would YOU make that offense click?

 

[kensat30]

Put in Tim Rattay.

 

[Wadsworth]

Caddy needs to relax. Gruden is a coaching genius who can't be stopped. I'm sure however Gruden is using Caddy it's the perfect way to use him and Caddy is just not smart enough to understand the brilliant method the genius coach Gruden is using. Afterall, Gruden has won the big one and that proves he has what it takes. Ignore that part about him having only one play off appearance and a losing record since winning the Super Bowl. Ignore the fact that there's hardly a good player on the team under 30. Chuckie=genius, Caddy should just relax and enjoy the ride.

So you tell me supergenius, what would you do with a rookie QB and two rookie linemen? How would YOU make that offense click?

Well that's the point isn't it? The Bucs best offensive player is a 35 year old WR. The Bucs D is still excellent but it's led by old Dungy holdovers. What has Gruden done so that he'd not be in a position that he had to start a rookie QB(it's not like Simms was looking any better) and two rookie O-linemen? The Bucs are a last second 62 yard FG away from being 1-8 with one of the better defensive in the NFL. There's a meltdown going on there, it's not just an off season. You tell me, what gives you hope? All I see is a defense getting older by the minute and an offense with no clear direction for future. I don't think the Bucs are the worst team in the NFL currently, but when you consider that almost all of their stars are near retirement age they may be the NFL team in the worst position. Who are the young studs on the team I don't know about? Who are the talented guys that are going to be leading the Bucs in the next decade? All I see is an old team going nowhere with a genius coach that hasn't done anything to improve the team Dungy left him.

 

[Capella]

The Bucs D is still excellent but it's led by old Dungy holdovers.

No it's not. It's ranked 24th in the NFL at the present. And the only Dungy "holdovers" are Brooks, Barber and Quarles. God forbid Monte get any credit for that defense anyhow.

What has Gruden done so that he'd not be in a position that he had to start a rookie QB(it's not like Simms was looking any better) and two rookie O-linemen?

Well, Simms was said to be looking outstanding in camp. So actually, he was looking better. And they also signed Jay Fielder (who couldn't recover from his injury), traded for Tim Rattay (who has been an unmitigated disaster) and also traded for Luke McCown (who then subsequently got hurt). Does that answer your question about why he has to start a rookie?As for the Oline, they spent a ton of FA cash on lineman the past 4 years, with no positive results, so they finally went the draft route. I think most would agree that was quite wise.

The Bucs are a last second 62 yard FG away from being 1-8 with one of the better defensive in the NFL.

Again, the bolded part is wrong. That great defense of past years is gone. In fact, that 62-yard-FG game you reference included 500 total yards for the Eagles and a 55-yard TD scored with 30 seconds left on the clock.

You tell me, what gives you hope?

A rebuilt Oline and Caddy. Gradkowski has shown flashes.

All I see is a defense getting older by the minute and an offense with no clear direction for future.

Not many teams look good behind a rookie QB and line. It baffles me that people think the lanes will be there for Caddy. Don't you people realize teams are putting 8 or 9 in the box all the time, daring the Bucs to pass?

I don't think the Bucs are the worst team in the NFL currently, but when you consider that almost all of their stars are near retirement age they may be the NFL team in the worst position.

Maybe, but somehow they managed to go 11-5 last season, so it's not like the cupboard is completely bare. And young guys are getting snaps on offense.

Who are the young studs on the team I don't know about?

Davin Joseph would probably be one I guess. Barrett Ruud and Dewayne White have looked really good as well. Caddy hasn't forgotten how to run the ball either.

Who are the talented guys that are going to be leading the Bucs in the next decade?

See above.

All I see is an old team going nowhere with a genius coach that hasn't done anything to improve the team Dungy left him.

Ok.