Cadillac Williams (1 Viewer)

[gadkins]

I notice him going 4th and Later... With a better QB and Line is he undervalued this year. ? Or am I missing something?

 

[Otis]

Undervalued.

 

[NYGus]

He sux- that's the deal. Stay away.

Hasn't done anything big since early in his rookie season.

 

[Keys Myaths]

I think he's undervalued in PPR leagues. He did have a rough year last year, and things haven't gotten much better--but I think the receptions he picks up this year should boost his value a fair amount.

 

[zamboni]

I think he's undervalued in PPR leagues. He did have a rough year last year, and things haven't gotten much better--but I think the receptions he picks up this year should boost his value a fair amount.

I think things have gotten much better in several respects. While the OL remains a question mark, Garcia is at QB now. To be sure, he's no world beater, but he can move the offense down the field - unlike Gradowski. And don't overlook the all-important departure of Alstott - unless Gruden moves someone into the goal line role (I can't see Pittman being the one) , Caddy looks like he's going to get those pivotal carries.

The bottom line is it's hard to see things any worse than last year, with some room for meaningful upside.

 

[Toads]

Way undervalued.

He's gathered the same rap sheet as Tatum Bell:

1.) wears down after so many carries (say 12-15 carries).

2.) has durability issues.

Your right about an improved OFF line. Your also right about a "cake schedule". TBB has the most favorable SOS against the run in many FFB systems.

If Caddy, et. al. (Pittman) can stay upright and healthy, they are in for a big year.

 

[zamboni]

1.) wears down after so many carries (say 12-15 carries).2.) has durability issues.

Durability is definitely a concern, but as noted by his rookie campaign, he's generally viewed as a guy that gets better as his carry figure goes up.

 

[aldelgreco]

I think he's undervalued in PPR leagues. He did have a rough year last year, and things haven't gotten much better--but I think the receptions he picks up this year should boost his value a fair amount.

I think things have gotten much better in several respects. While the OL remains a question mark, Garcia is at QB now. To be sure, he's no world beater, but he can move the offense down the field - unlike Gradowski. And don't overlook the all-important departure of Alstott - unless Gruden moves someone into the goal line role (I can't see Pittman being the one) , Caddy looks like he's going to get those pivotal carries.

The bottom line is it's hard to see things any worse than last year, with some room for meaningful upside.

I have been a hater all preseason, but i think I am starting to come around on the guy.

 

[H.K.]

1.) wears down after so many carries (say 12-15 carries).2.) has durability issues.

Durability is definitely a concern, but as noted by his rookie campaign, he's generally viewed as a guy that gets better as his carry figure goes up.

IIRC, didn't Gruden recently say he wanted to limit his touches to 15-18 per game? Also, in order for Caddy to get 20+ carries, one would think the games would need to be close....given that and the durabilty and O-line question marks, Caddy looks to be a lemon again in 2007.

 

[gadkins]

I think Gruden said he will limit his touches in the pre-season.

http://www.buccaneers.com/news/newsdetail.aspx?newsid=5917

 

[gump]

I have not seen the quote from Gruden about limiting touches in the regular season either. Only something from Yahoo about Carnell not getting a typical starters workload.

Sounds like bs to me.

Don't forget something....Carnell Williams could be Jon Gruden's favorite draft pick of his coaching career. Gruden LOVES him. He's been saving him in preseason. He's talked about how explosive and quick he looks. He's moved Pittman to Fullback. He's gotten rid of Alstott.

All signs point to a HEAVY workload in my eyes....if the Bucs are in a position to run the ball.

 

[Ron_Mexico]

All signs point to a HEAVY workload in my eyes....if the Bucs are in a position to run the ball.

He can't handle a heavy workload, imo.

 

[H.K.]

I think Gruden said he will limit his touches in the pre-season.

http://www.buccaneers.com/news/newsdetail.aspx?newsid=5917

LinkLink to where I saw the 15-18 number, given the context of the article, I could not tell if he meant touches in regular season or snaps in the pre-season games.

It's not unusual for top running backs to get little work in the practice games, a development to which Earnest Graham and Kenneth Darby scream, "Thank you! Thank you!"

But seriously, San Diego's LaDainian Tomlinson hasn't played a game in August since 2005. Seattle's Shaun Alexander has run five times in the Seahawks' two exhibition games for 7 yards. So it is with Caddy.

There are all sorts of stats that will prove his worth. A couple of the better ones: The Bucs are 7-1 when he rushes for 100 yards; they are 9-0 when he carries at least 21 times.

"The guy is a rookie of the year who set an NFL record exploding on the scene there," Gruden said. "If we can just give him 15 to 18 quality looks a week, he'll be just fine."

 

[zamboni]

I think Gruden said he will limit his touches in the pre-season.

http://www.buccaneers.com/news/newsdetail.aspx?newsid=5917

LinkLink to where I saw the 15-18 number, given the context of the article, I could not tell if he meant touches in regular season or snaps in the pre-season games.

It's not unusual for top running backs to get little work in the practice games, a development to which Earnest Graham and Kenneth Darby scream, "Thank you! Thank you!"

But seriously, San Diego's LaDainian Tomlinson hasn't played a game in August since 2005. Seattle's Shaun Alexander has run five times in the Seahawks' two exhibition games for 7 yards. So it is with Caddy.

There are all sorts of stats that will prove his worth. A couple of the better ones: The Bucs are 7-1 when he rushes for 100 yards; they are 9-0 when he carries at least 21 times.

"The guy is a rookie of the year who set an NFL record exploding on the scene there," Gruden said. "If we can just give him 15 to 18 quality looks a week, he'll be just fine."

Considering the stat that they're 9-0 when Caddy gets 21+ carries, I'm assuming he means pre-season. I can't see Gruden wanting to hold back his hand-picked guy when the games matter.

 

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[CrossEyed]

I have not seen the quote from Gruden about limiting touches in the regular season either. Only something from Yahoo about Carnell not getting a typical starters workload.

Sounds like bs to me.

Don't forget something....Carnell Williams could be Jon Gruden's favorite draft pick of his coaching career. Gruden LOVES him. He's been saving him in preseason. He's talked about how explosive and quick he looks. He's moved Pittman to Fullback. He's gotten rid of Alstott.

All signs point to a HEAVY workload in my eyes....if the Bucs are in a position to run the ball.

Alstott got hurt.

 

[goonsquad]

I think Gruden said he will limit his touches in the pre-season.

http://www.buccaneers.com/news/newsdetail.aspx?newsid=5917

LinkLink to where I saw the 15-18 number, given the context of the article, I could not tell if he meant touches in regular season or snaps in the pre-season games.

It's not unusual for top running backs to get little work in the practice games, a development to which Earnest Graham and Kenneth Darby scream, "Thank you! Thank you!"

But seriously, San Diego's LaDainian Tomlinson hasn't played a game in August since 2005. Seattle's Shaun Alexander has run five times in the Seahawks' two exhibition games for 7 yards. So it is with Caddy.

There are all sorts of stats that will prove his worth. A couple of the better ones: The Bucs are 7-1 when he rushes for 100 yards; they are 9-0 when he carries at least 21 times.

"The guy is a rookie of the year who set an NFL record exploding on the scene there," Gruden said. "If we can just give him 15 to 18 quality looks a week, he'll be just fine."

Considering the stat that they're 9-0 when Caddy gets 21+ carries, I'm assuming he means pre-season. I can't see Gruden wanting to hold back his hand-picked guy when the games matter.

I take that to mean he wants to get him a minimum of 15-18, not a maximum. There were games last year where Caddy only saw the ball 10-11 times and he (and the team) struggled. This says to me that they know if he's getting the carries the whole offense will be clicking.

 

[shakeybarn]

Boom or bust this year. Gruden et al talked about him catching the ball more, needing to, being able to. Saving him up during pre-season. Garcia vs. trying to run in a stalled offense with a passing game that poses ZERO threat. Garcia is still foolishly mobile at times, keeping DE/LBs in check.

When your passing game is comprised of 3 QBs throughout the year, amounting to 2994 yards and 14 TDs and 18 INTs ...comprising something around a QB rating in the high 60s... yes SIXTIES... it has to affect all the way around. Garcia can/will go down again, but at least backups have another year, and playing in that division they may only be a handful of games out mid-way thru the year.

But then again, it is Tampa Bay.

Durability is a concern, but Williams seems to run roughshod vs. some of the weaker teams, and gets stalled vs. strong teams.

Indy, St Louis, Arizona, SF, Houston, New Orleans, Detroit, Tennessee, Seattle, Washington are a few teams on their schedule that finished in the bottom half of rushing defenses... so some optimism there. Jacksonville at home, might make that matchup easier. But other than that... no games like NewEng, SD, Minnesota, Baltimore, Chicago, or Pittsburgh. The latter 3 they had in 2006.

5 games in domes. and 0 "winter games" ..the last 7 games are in TB, SF, and 3 domes.

IMHO, there's a few things that should help set him/they up for success, but I don't think this is a slam dunk, by no means.

 

[WarRedbirds]

I think Gruden said he will limit his touches in the pre-season.

http://www.buccaneers.com/news/newsdetail.aspx?newsid=5917

LinkLink to where I saw the 15-18 number, given the context of the article, I could not tell if he meant touches in regular season or snaps in the pre-season games.

It's not unusual for top running backs to get little work in the practice games, a development to which Earnest Graham and Kenneth Darby scream, "Thank you! Thank you!"

But seriously, San Diego's LaDainian Tomlinson hasn't played a game in August since 2005. Seattle's Shaun Alexander has run five times in the Seahawks' two exhibition games for 7 yards. So it is with Caddy.

There are all sorts of stats that will prove his worth. A couple of the better ones: The Bucs are 7-1 when he rushes for 100 yards; they are 9-0 when he carries at least 21 times.

"The guy is a rookie of the year who set an NFL record exploding on the scene there," Gruden said. "If we can just give him 15 to 18 quality looks a week, he'll be just fine."

Considering the stat that they're 9-0 when Caddy gets 21+ carries, I'm assuming he means pre-season. I can't see Gruden wanting to hold back his hand-picked guy when the games matter.

I take that to mean he wants to get him a minimum of 15-18, not a maximum. There were games last year where Caddy only saw the ball 10-11 times and he (and the team) struggled. This says to me that they know if he's getting the carries the whole offense will be clicking.

This is backwards. When the team is struggling, Caddy will not see the ball as much, because they'll be throwing it.

 

[gump]

I have not seen the quote from Gruden about limiting touches in the regular season either. Only something from Yahoo about Carnell not getting a typical starters workload.

Sounds like bs to me.

Don't forget something....Carnell Williams could be Jon Gruden's favorite draft pick of his coaching career. Gruden LOVES him. He's been saving him in preseason. He's talked about how explosive and quick he looks. He's moved Pittman to Fullback. He's gotten rid of Alstott.

All signs point to a HEAVY workload in my eyes....if the Bucs are in a position to run the ball.

Alstott got hurt.

He did...but it's a good thing for Gruden. Most believe Gruden would have gotten rid of Alstott long ago if he weren't the most popular player in franchise history.Regarding CW's receiving...with Pittman at FB, I'm not sure how much more Williams will get of that piece. Pitt is a much better receiver and was targeted a few times the other night.

CW's carries will be his workload. He had 280 in his rookie season...no reason to think he won't get 325+ if healthy.

 

[FFdork]

I'm realizing I may have taken that 15-18 looks quote the wrong way too. When I reread it, I think he's talking about the preseason.

Whatever happened to the concerns about chronic back issues for Caddy?

In any case, I think he represents a great risk/reward pick given his ADP. My only issue with taking him is that I'll probably feel the need to hedge my bet by taking a RB3 earlier than I would have if I had been able to get a less risky RB2.

 

[mt-wabo]

I had a big smile on my face when I got him at the bottom of the 5th round in my re-draft on Saturday. He will make a nice RB3 behind Willie Parker and ROnnie Brown.

 

[goonsquad]

I think Gruden said he will limit his touches in the pre-season.

http://www.buccaneers.com/news/newsdetail.aspx?newsid=5917

LinkLink to where I saw the 15-18 number, given the context of the article, I could not tell if he meant touches in regular season or snaps in the pre-season games.

It's not unusual for top running backs to get little work in the practice games, a development to which Earnest Graham and Kenneth Darby scream, "Thank you! Thank you!"

But seriously, San Diego's LaDainian Tomlinson hasn't played a game in August since 2005. Seattle's Shaun Alexander has run five times in the Seahawks' two exhibition games for 7 yards. So it is with Caddy.

There are all sorts of stats that will prove his worth. A couple of the better ones: The Bucs are 7-1 when he rushes for 100 yards; they are 9-0 when he carries at least 21 times.

"The guy is a rookie of the year who set an NFL record exploding on the scene there," Gruden said. "If we can just give him 15 to 18 quality looks a week, he'll be just fine."

Considering the stat that they're 9-0 when Caddy gets 21+ carries, I'm assuming he means pre-season. I can't see Gruden wanting to hold back his hand-picked guy when the games matter.

I take that to mean he wants to get him a minimum of 15-18, not a maximum. There were games last year where Caddy only saw the ball 10-11 times and he (and the team) struggled. This says to me that they know if he's getting the carries the whole offense will be clicking.

This is backwards. When the team is struggling, Caddy will not see the ball as much, because they'll be throwing it.

Chicken/egg. It doesn't matter. The point is, the more Caddy gets the ball the better the team will do. So Gruden wants Caddy to see the ball more, not less. He's not talking limiting Caddy to 15-18, he's talking about getting him at least that every game.

 

[NYGus]

Carnell Williams isn't undervalued he is over-hyped. The guy had 1100 and 6 TD's during his 1st year in the league and last season he had 798 and 1TD. THOSE ARE RON RAYNE NUMBERS!

Hater? Yes indeed, he burned me badly last year. Pinto Williams.



My Bad...fat fingered it... THOSE ARE RON DAYNE NUMBERS!

 

[zamboni]

Carnell Williams isn't undervalued he is over-hyped. The guy had 1100 and 6 TD's during his 1st year in the league and last season he had 798 and 1TD. THOSE ARE RON RAYNE NUMBERS!

When did Ron Rayne, or even Dayne for that matter, rush for 1000 yards?

 

[Hammerage]

Carnell Williams isn't undervalued he is over-hyped. The guy had 1100 and 6 TD's during his 1st year in the league and last season he had 798 and 1TD. THOSE ARE RON RAYNE NUMBERS!

Hater? Yes indeed, he burned me badly last year. Pinto Williams.

LOL. He burned me last year as an end of first round pick/2nd round pick. He was overhyped then yes. Now I see him as a value in the 4th/5th round as an RB 2 or 3. He is the starting RB, in line to get majority of carries and the goal line vulture is gone. I see him as having more upside this year than last. If he flops then I have a backup RB plan as well but really see him as performing near an RB2 level this year just based on opportunity.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Carnell Williams isn't undervalued he is over-hyped. The guy had 1100 and 6 TD's during his 1st year in the league and last season he had 798 and 1TD. THOSE ARE RON RAYNE NUMBERS!

When did Ron Rayne, or even Dayne for that matter, rush for 1000 yards?

On that one episode of Rooby Roo.

 

[zamboni]

Carnell Williams isn't undervalued he is over-hyped. The guy had 1100 and 6 TD's during his 1st year in the league and last season he had 798 and 1TD. THOSE ARE RON RAYNE NUMBERS!

When did Ron Rayne, or even Dayne for that matter, rush for 1000 yards?

On that one episode of Rooby Roo.

Scooby was the better Great Dane.

 

[Koya]

BTW - Who would be the backup if Williams went down? I assume they would move Pittman from FB to feature back - but what about Darby?