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Regardless, on the pissing match, it is pointless. Week one is no reason to blast someone's preseason "value play" call, esp. when injuries are unpredictable.
BTW--when Levin and I agree on something, there has to be something to it.Either that, or the apocalypse is upon us.
In the Pool, you and I are actually pretty close on a lot of things. Enter the FFA and we tend to diametric opposites.
 
If there is any updates on his injury could you please post it. TIATex
Update: He suXor. He had 3 good games at the start of his rookie year and has been dissappointing since then. Some disappointment has been becuase of injury, some becuase of just plain poor play but I haven't seen all that much to that has impressed me.
 
FWIW, Caddy could still very easily qualify for Otis' all-value team.Regardless, on the pissing match, it is pointless. Week one is no reason to blast someone's preseason "value play" call, esp. when injuries are unpredictable.
Let me ask this, why do we have a sarcasm emoticon??????Maybe we should not have it if one is not allowed to be sarcastic, especially considering the hypocrisy of suggesting that sarcasm does not run RAMPANT in all the boards... :goodposting:
 
Regardless, on the pissing match, it is pointless. Week one is no reason to blast someone's preseason "value play" call, esp. when injuries are unpredictable.
BTW--when Levin and I agree on something, there has to be something to it.Either that, or the apocalypse is upon us.
In the Pool, you and I are actually pretty close on a lot of things. Enter the FFA and we tend to diametric opposites.
Never noticed this, actually. I just see "Marc Levin" and start to think of ways I should probably leave the thread before I waste an hour of worktime. :tinfoilhat:
 
If there is any updates on his injury could you please post it. TIATex
Update: He suXor. He had 3 good games at the start of his rookie year and has been dissappointing since then. Some disappointment has been becuase of injury, some becuase of just plain poor play but I haven't seen all that much to that has impressed me.
Me either, quite honestly. I wouldn't even have him on any of my teams if he hadn't slipped ridiculously in a league.He's nothing more than a bye-week fill in, unfortunately.
 
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September 10, 2007, 14:21

Buccaneers :: RB

Bucs Prepare For Life Without RB Williams

Katherine Smith, Tampa Tribune - [Full Article]

The Tampa Bay Buccaneers are going to prepare to play without RB Cadillac Williams In week two. Williams' bruised ribs have sidelined him indefinitely. HC Jon Gruden said they'll have to practice as if Williams won't play Sunday. "Unfortunately, we're good at one thing on offense - that's contingency plans," Gruden said. RBs Michael Pittman and Earnest Graham will get more work in Williams' place and there's a possibility draft pick RB Kenneth Darby gets bumped up from the practice squad. "We'll plan for the other guys to play a big role," Gruden said.

http://www.tboblogs.com/index.php/sports/c...thout-cadillac/

 
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September 10, 2007, 14:21

Buccaneers :: RB

Bucs Prepare For Life Without RB Williams

Katherine Smith, Tampa Tribune - [Full Article]

The Tampa Bay Buccaneers are going to prepare to play without RB Cadillac Williams In Week Two. Williams' bruised ribs have sidelined him indefinitely. HC Jon Gruden said they'll have to practice as if Williams won't play Sunday. "Unfortunately, we're good at one thing on offense - that's contingency plans," Gruden said. RB sMichael Pittman and Earnest Graham will get more work in Williams' place and there's a possibility draft pick RB Kenneth Darby gets bumped up from the practice squad. "We'll plan for the other guys to play a big role," Gruden said.

http://www.tboblogs.com/index.php/sports/c...thout-cadillac/
And posted in this thread about an hour ago.
 
FWIW, Caddy could still very easily qualify for Otis' all-value team.Regardless, on the pissing match, it is pointless. Week one is no reason to blast someone's preseason "value play" call, esp. when injuries are unpredictable.
Let me ask this, why do we have a sarcasm emoticon??????Maybe we should not have it if one is not allowed to be sarcastic, especially considering the hypocrisy of suggesting that sarcasm does not run RAMPANT in all the boards... :rolleyes:
:confused:If you were being sarcastic why didn't you use the emoticon? Your sarcasm was obviously not apparent from your initial post nor your subsequent posts with Keys.
 
Regardless, on the pissing match, it is pointless. Week one is no reason to blast someone's preseason "value play" call, esp. when injuries are unpredictable.
BTW--when Levin and I agree on something, there has to be something to it.Either that, or the apocalypse is upon us.
In the Pool, you and I are actually pretty close on a lot of things. Enter the FFA and we tend to diametric opposites.
Never noticed this, actually. I just see "Marc Levin" and start to think of ways I should probably leave the thread before I waste an hour of worktime. :confused:
Hmmm, I basically vacated the premises from May through August. What was your excuse for wasting work hours this summer, then? :rolleyes:
 
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September 10, 2007, 14:21

Buccaneers :: RB

Bucs Prepare For Life Without RB Williams

Katherine Smith, Tampa Tribune - [Full Article]

The Tampa Bay Buccaneers are going to prepare to play without RB Cadillac Williams In week two. Williams' bruised ribs have sidelined him indefinitely. HC Jon Gruden said they'll have to practice as if Williams won't play Sunday. "Unfortunately, we're good at one thing on offense - that's contingency plans," Gruden said. RBs Michael Pittman and Earnest Graham will get more work in Williams' place and there's a possibility draft pick RB Kenneth Darby gets bumped up from the practice squad. "We'll plan for the other guys to play a big role," Gruden said.

http://www.tboblogs.com/index.php/sports/c...thout-cadillac/
So back to my original point...who's got the best potential to break out there?Obviously, Pittman will start off because he's the veteran...but he's not an NFL starter...for you Tampa homers, is there any reason to believe Graham or Darby have the talent to run with that job? Did either show any flashes in the preseason?

 
If there is any updates on his injury could you please post it. TIATex
Update: He suXor. He had 3 good games at the start of his rookie year and has been dissappointing since then. Some disappointment has been becuase of injury, some becuase of just plain poor play but I haven't seen all that much to that has impressed me.
FYI...CW had 95 yds/game rushing when he returned from injury the last 7 games in '05...cementing the ROY award.
 
So back to my original point...who's got the best potential to break out there?Obviously, Pittman will start off because he's the veteran...but he's not an NFL starter
I think Gruden will make Pittman the starter - he was the starter amd splitting with TJones before TJones busted out. The Phillips/Garner thing worked out well for him in Oakland.I think Pittman's carries take an immediate spike and, since Gruden wants to keep his QB upright, Pittman starts the game. That said, he will definitely split time. Befopre Caddy arrived, Grudenm's track record was to split those touches pretty much down the middle between "inferior talent" backs.
 
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September 10, 2007, 14:21

Buccaneers :: RB

Bucs Prepare For Life Without RB Williams

Katherine Smith, Tampa Tribune - [Full Article]

The Tampa Bay Buccaneers are going to prepare to play without RB Cadillac Williams In week two. Williams' bruised ribs have sidelined him indefinitely. HC Jon Gruden said they'll have to practice as if Williams won't play Sunday. "Unfortunately, we're good at one thing on offense - that's contingency plans," Gruden said. RBs Michael Pittman and Earnest Graham will get more work in Williams' place and there's a possibility draft pick RB Kenneth Darby gets bumped up from the practice squad. "We'll plan for the other guys to play a big role," Gruden said.

http://www.tboblogs.com/index.php/sports/c...thout-cadillac/
So back to my original point...who's got the best potential to break out there?Obviously, Pittman will start off because he's the veteran...but he's not an NFL starter...for you Tampa homers, is there any reason to believe Graham or Darby have the talent to run with that job? Did either show any flashes in the preseason?
I think Pitt will be utilized in the passing game, and if Darby is brought back...it will be RBBC for the bulk of the carries. Graham looks great every preseason...against 2nd and 3rd string defenses. He doesn't have anywhere near the ability of Cadillac. Darby is a bigger question mark...which could mean more potential...or less :X I don't see anyone being worth much.

However, the OL did look better yesterday.

 
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September 10, 2007, 14:21

Buccaneers :: RB

Bucs Prepare For Life Without RB Williams

Katherine Smith, Tampa Tribune - [Full Article]

The Tampa Bay Buccaneers are going to prepare to play without RB Cadillac Williams In week two. Williams' bruised ribs have sidelined him indefinitely. HC Jon Gruden said they'll have to practice as if Williams won't play Sunday. "Unfortunately, we're good at one thing on offense - that's contingency plans," Gruden said. RBs Michael Pittman and Earnest Graham will get more work in Williams' place and there's a possibility draft pick RB Kenneth Darby gets bumped up from the practice squad. "We'll plan for the other guys to play a big role," Gruden said.

http://www.tboblogs.com/index.php/sports/c...thout-cadillac/
Thanks for the update Mr. Ashcraft. The "indfinitely" is what's troubling here.
 
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September 10, 2007, 14:21

Buccaneers :: RB

Bucs Prepare For Life Without RB Williams

Katherine Smith, Tampa Tribune - [Full Article]

The Tampa Bay Buccaneers are going to prepare to play without RB Cadillac Williams In week two. Williams' bruised ribs have sidelined him indefinitely. HC Jon Gruden said they'll have to practice as if Williams won't play Sunday. "Unfortunately, we're good at one thing on offense - that's contingency plans," Gruden said. RBs Michael Pittman and Earnest Graham will get more work in Williams' place and there's a possibility draft pick RB Kenneth Darby gets bumped up from the practice squad. "We'll plan for the other guys to play a big role," Gruden said.

http://www.tboblogs.com/index.php/sports/c...thout-cadillac/
Thanks for the update Mr. Ashcraft. The "indfinitely" is what's troubling here.
They are saying indefinately because they don't know. This is as hush an injury as I have ever seen. We will not know much until mid-week probably when the injury report comes out for next weeks games. I would not take that stupid blog for anything. Gruden said that in answering a question, and he just does not want to talk about it. Gruden never does. He said what most coaches would say, that they are going to prepare as if Caddy isn't going to play, but if he does than they are still set. I doubt he plays this week, but if it were cracked ribs I think we would have heard that already. All they have to do is take Xrays, and they can do that at their facility.
 
Bruised ribs can still make running troublesome. I think it was 2005 when LT played with bruised ribs for the last four or so games of the season and it was easy to tell something was bothering him.

 
CAddy is questionable

Buccaneers: Caddy questionable

The News

Carnell Williams is considered questionable for Sunday's game against the Saints due to the bruised ribs he suffered in Week 1. Head coach Jon Gruden told the St. Petersburg Times that Michael Pittman and Earnest Graham will split carries if Williams is unable to play.

Our View

Caddy's track record of playing through pain isn't exactly solid. That being said, Gruden said there is still a chance he will play this week, so don't count him out just yet.

 
FWIW, Caddy could still very easily qualify for Otis' all-value team.Regardless, on the pissing match, it is pointless. Week one is no reason to blast someone's preseason "value play" call, esp. when injuries are unpredictable.
Let me ask this, why do we have a sarcasm emoticon??????Maybe we should not have it if one is not allowed to be sarcastic, especially considering the hypocrisy of suggesting that sarcasm does not run RAMPANT in all the boards... :thumbup:
:blackdot:If you were being sarcastic why didn't you use the emoticon?
If you have to do this, you might be doing something wrong.ETA: Sorry. :shrug:
 
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I too was optimistic about Caddy this year. I'm thinking of trying to buy low on him as my RB3 is shaky, at best. Has anyone made any offers for him yet? Curious what kind of value he's commanding. Maybe he'll drop even lower if it's finalized that he won't start this week.

 
Wasn't Caddy part of the almighty Otis's all Value team??? :lmao:
This is getting old.If people are going to be pulled out and laughed at every time they make a bad prediction, I'm going to start replying to these posts with everything stupid the poster's ever said.Predictions, no matter how well the logic/reasoning is thought out, can be wrong. Let's not discourage open discussion.
:thumbup:
 
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September 10, 2007, 14:21

Buccaneers :: RB

Bucs Prepare For Life Without RB Williams

Katherine Smith, Tampa Tribune - [Full Article]

The Tampa Bay Buccaneers are going to prepare to play without RB Cadillac Williams In week two. Williams' bruised ribs have sidelined him indefinitely. HC Jon Gruden said they'll have to practice as if Williams won't play Sunday. "Unfortunately, we're good at one thing on offense - that's contingency plans," Gruden said. RBs Michael Pittman and Earnest Graham will get more work in Williams' place and there's a possibility draft pick RB Kenneth Darby gets bumped up from the practice squad. "We'll plan for the other guys to play a big role," Gruden said.

http://www.tboblogs.com/index.php/sports/c...thout-cadillac/
So back to my original point...who's got the best potential to break out there?Obviously, Pittman will start off because he's the veteran...but he's not an NFL starter...for you Tampa homers, is there any reason to believe Graham or Darby have the talent to run with that job? Did either show any flashes in the preseason?
I think Pitt will be utilized in the passing game, and if Darby is brought back...it will be RBBC for the bulk of the carries. Graham looks great every preseason...against 2nd and 3rd string defenses. He doesn't have anywhere near the ability of Cadillac. Darby is a bigger question mark...which could mean more potential...or less :thumbup: I don't see anyone being worth much.

However, the OL did look better yesterday.
It will be RBBC for the bulk of the carries, but for the remainder, minority of the carries it will be feature back time? :sadbanana: I don't think Darby will see much time. Why would Gruden keep Graham on the team and cut Darby only for Darby to pass him up now? I think Graham gets most of the carries, with Pittman on the field as FB,, COP and third down RB.

 
Bob Sacamano said:
FWIW, Caddy could still very easily qualify for Otis' all-value team.Regardless, on the pissing match, it is pointless. Week one is no reason to blast someone's preseason "value play" call, esp. when injuries are unpredictable.
Let me ask this, why do we have a sarcasm emoticon??????Maybe we should not have it if one is not allowed to be sarcastic, especially considering the hypocrisy of suggesting that sarcasm does not run RAMPANT in all the boards... :thumbup:
:sadbanana:If you were being sarcastic why didn't you use the emoticon?
If you have to do this, you might be doing something wrong.ETA: Sorry. :pickle:
Problem with sarcasm is that it can be nearly undetectable. People should NEVER USE SARCASM EVER AGAIN
 
Wasn't Caddy part of the almighty Otis's all Value team??? :thumbup:
This is getting old.If people are going to be pulled out and laughed at every time they make a bad prediction, I'm going to start replying to these posts with everything stupid the poster's ever said.Predictions, no matter how well the logic/reasoning is thought out, can be wrong. Let's not discourage open discussion.
Forget that, if we're going to discount every prediction that people make about a player who gets injured?That's just stupid. Tell me he is really bad, but don't give me this "HA HA, HE GOT HURT!" nonsense. Typical work from steelnation :)
 
No new news but just another source:

Carnell Williams-RB- Buccaneers Sep. 11 - 10:54 am et

The Bucs say Carnell Williams' ribs are not cracked or broken, but the local papers continue to say he probably won't play this week.

The Bucs aren't known for being forthright regarding their injuries, but Caddy owners can only hope they are telling the truth here. "Bruised" ribs would probably mean Williams is week-to-week. Jon Gruden expressed some hope Williams could play this week, but it's a long shot. Michael Pittman and Earnest Graham should share the load against the Saints.

Source: Tampa Tribune

 
No new news but just another source:Carnell Williams-RB- Buccaneers Sep. 11 - 10:54 am et The Bucs say Carnell Williams' ribs are not cracked or broken, but the local papers continue to say he probably won't play this week.The Bucs aren't known for being forthright regarding their injuries, but Caddy owners can only hope they are telling the truth here. "Bruised" ribs would probably mean Williams is week-to-week. Jon Gruden expressed some hope Williams could play this week, but it's a long shot. Michael Pittman and Earnest Graham should share the load against the Saints.Source: Tampa Tribune
Still journalists speculating, but the news doesn't sound all that bad. At least we know the ribs aren't broken.
 
No new news but just another source:Carnell Williams-RB- Buccaneers Sep. 11 - 10:54 am et The Bucs say Carnell Williams' ribs are not cracked or broken, but the local papers continue to say he probably won't play this week.The Bucs aren't known for being forthright regarding their injuries, but Caddy owners can only hope they are telling the truth here. "Bruised" ribs would probably mean Williams is week-to-week. Jon Gruden expressed some hope Williams could play this week, but it's a long shot. Michael Pittman and Earnest Graham should share the load against the Saints.Source: Tampa Tribune
Still journalists speculating, but the news doesn't sound all that bad. At least we know the ribs aren't broken.
Nigel> Hey!
 
No new news but just another source:Carnell Williams-RB- Buccaneers Sep. 11 - 10:54 am et The Bucs say Carnell Williams' ribs are not cracked or broken, but the local papers continue to say he probably won't play this week.The Bucs aren't known for being forthright regarding their injuries, but Caddy owners can only hope they are telling the truth here. "Bruised" ribs would probably mean Williams is week-to-week. Jon Gruden expressed some hope Williams could play this week, but it's a long shot. Michael Pittman and Earnest Graham should share the load against the Saints.Source: Tampa Tribune
Still journalists speculating, but the news doesn't sound all that bad. At least we know the ribs aren't broken.
Nigel> Hey!
bob>hi. good times.
 
No new news but just another source:Carnell Williams-RB- Buccaneers Sep. 11 - 10:54 am et The Bucs say Carnell Williams' ribs are not cracked or broken, but the local papers continue to say he probably won't play this week.The Bucs aren't known for being forthright regarding their injuries, but Caddy owners can only hope they are telling the truth here. "Bruised" ribs would probably mean Williams is week-to-week. Jon Gruden expressed some hope Williams could play this week, but it's a long shot. Michael Pittman and Earnest Graham should share the load against the Saints.Source: Tampa Tribune
Still journalists speculating, but the news doesn't sound all that bad. At least we know the ribs aren't broken.
Agreed. No break, no crack. Very sore, but for a young running back with A LOT to prove and NO coming into town....do you think he is really going to tell them "I cant suit up" ??Im not saying he plays THIS WEEK, but this is a big year and caddy knows it. I would assume he is back on the field within 2 - 3 weeks tops. The kid is trying to earn some respect back....and with only bruised ribs, he will put on a flac jacket and be out there as soon as he can.
 
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September 10, 2007, 14:21

Buccaneers :: RB

Bucs Prepare For Life Without RB Williams

Katherine Smith, Tampa Tribune - [Full Article]

The Tampa Bay Buccaneers are going to prepare to play without RB Cadillac Williams In week two. Williams' bruised ribs have sidelined him indefinitely. HC Jon Gruden said they'll have to practice as if Williams won't play Sunday. "Unfortunately, we're good at one thing on offense - that's contingency plans," Gruden said. RBs Michael Pittman and Earnest Graham will get more work in Williams' place and there's a possibility draft pick RB Kenneth Darby gets bumped up from the practice squad. "We'll plan for the other guys to play a big role," Gruden said.

http://www.tboblogs.com/index.php/sports/c...thout-cadillac/
So back to my original point...who's got the best potential to break out there?Obviously, Pittman will start off because he's the veteran...but he's not an NFL starter...for you Tampa homers, is there any reason to believe Graham or Darby have the talent to run with that job? Did either show any flashes in the preseason?
I think Pitt will be utilized in the passing game, and if Darby is brought back...it will be RBBC for the bulk of the carries. Graham looks great every preseason...against 2nd and 3rd string defenses. He doesn't have anywhere near the ability of Cadillac. Darby is a bigger question mark...which could mean more potential...or less :P I don't see anyone being worth much.

However, the OL did look better yesterday.
It will be RBBC for the bulk of the carries, but for the remainder, minority of the carries it will be feature back time? :blackdot: I don't think Darby will see much time. Why would Gruden keep Graham on the team and cut Darby only for Darby to pass him up now? I think Graham gets most of the carries, with Pittman on the field as FB,, COP and third down RB.
Graham is not good enough to get most of the carries...but Darby would not "pass him up".One of two scenarios I see:

a) Carries are split between whoever Gruden can find to hand the ball to

b) Team is so bad that there aren't many carries to get

IMO...the ONLY viable RB option from the Bucs is a healthy Cadillac.

 
September 11, 2007, 14:35Buccaneers :: RBHC Gruden More Optimistic On RB WilliamsRoy Cummings, Tampa Tribune - [Full Article]Yesterday, Tampa Bay Buccaneers HC Jon Gruden said that RB Cadillac WIlliams was out indefinitely. Today though the Bucs say Williams' ribs are not cracked or broken, but merely bruised and very sore. Williams's status may not be known for several days, as he preparers to try and play in the home opener against the Saints on Sunday. "We're going to count on Cadillac playing, optimistically," Gruden said. "But, realistically, he does have sore ribs and so we'll plan for the other guys to have a bigger role in the running game." The other guys are RBs Michael Pittman, Earnest Graham and B.J. Askew. Contingency plans call for all of them to get a significant bump in playing time this week if Williams cannot go.
 
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djjosee said:
No new news but just another source:Carnell Williams-RB- Buccaneers Sep. 11 - 10:54 am et The Bucs say Carnell Williams' ribs are not cracked or broken, but the local papers continue to say he probably won't play this week.The Bucs aren't known for being forthright regarding their injuries, but Caddy owners can only hope they are telling the truth here. "Bruised" ribs would probably mean Williams is week-to-week. Jon Gruden expressed some hope Williams could play this week, but it's a long shot. Michael Pittman and Earnest Graham should share the load against the Saints.Source: Tampa Tribune
Cracked ribs, broken ribs, bruised ribs, whatever it's all the same. The only real treatment for a rib injury is rest. I once cracked my ribs when I landed on top of a football and I didn't feel right for months. I can't imagine that I could have played in a football game for at least a few weeks after it happened. Hurts to breath and move, let alone someone hitting it. That would be agony.Caddy could face the #32 defense in the league, be listed as probable, and I still wouldn't start him in week 2. The guy is not going to play. MARK IT DOWN.
 
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If you were high on Caddy before the injury, you have to consider this a buy low opportunity. For people that have byes starting in week 4 or 5, he could be a good pickup as a bye week filler and backup in case injury strikes during the long haul to the end of the season after the week 4 or 5 bye. This is assuming he'd be back and producing nicely by week 4...

 
djjosee said:
No new news but just another source:

Carnell Williams-RB- Buccaneers Sep. 11 - 10:54 am et

The Bucs say Carnell Williams' ribs are not cracked or broken, but the local papers continue to say he probably won't play this week.

The Bucs aren't known for being forthright regarding their injuries, but Caddy owners can only hope they are telling the truth here. "Bruised" ribs would probably mean Williams is week-to-week. Jon Gruden expressed some hope Williams could play this week, but it's a long shot. Michael Pittman and Earnest Graham should share the load against the Saints.

Source: Tampa Tribune
Cracked ribs, broken ribs, bruised ribs, whatever it's all the same. The only real treatment for a rib injury is rest. I once cracked my ribs when I landed on top of a football and I didn't feel right for months. I can't imagine that I could have played in a football game for at least a few weeks after it happened. Hurts to breath and move, let alone someone hitting it. That would be agony.Caddy could face the #32 defense in the league, be listed as probable, and I still wouldn't start him in week 2. The guy is not going to play. MARK IT DOWN.
How great will you feel if you actually predict this? Man, I'm gettin' excited just thinkin' about it!
 
djjosee said:
No new news but just another source:Carnell Williams-RB- Buccaneers Sep. 11 - 10:54 am et The Bucs say Carnell Williams' ribs are not cracked or broken, but the local papers continue to say he probably won't play this week.The Bucs aren't known for being forthright regarding their injuries, but Caddy owners can only hope they are telling the truth here. "Bruised" ribs would probably mean Williams is week-to-week. Jon Gruden expressed some hope Williams could play this week, but it's a long shot. Michael Pittman and Earnest Graham should share the load against the Saints.Source: Tampa Tribune
Cracked ribs, broken ribs, bruised ribs, whatever it's all the same. The only real treatment for a rib injury is rest. I once cracked my ribs when I landed on top of a football and I didn't feel right for months. I can't imagine that I could have played in a football game for at least a few weeks after it happened. Hurts to breath and move, let alone someone hitting it. That would be agony.Caddy could face the #32 defense in the league, be listed as probable, and I still wouldn't start him in week 2. The guy is not going to play. MARK IT DOWN.
well ####. if you couldn't play with broken ribs, there is no way caddy is steppin' on the field. You sir are a true warrior. I really think the majority of owners have a plan to not start him this week and are looking more towards weeks 3 and beyond.
 

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