Calculated Power Rankings (1 Viewer)

[Berger]

These are calculated based only on the past 9 weeks. No homerisms (I'm a Browns fan and was surprised they came in so low) or biases. Search my username for last years rankings, as I believe by this time last year I had the Colts and Bears as the top teams in their conferences.

1 Patriots

2 Colts

3 Packers

4 Lions

5 Titans

6 Cowboys

7 Steelers

8 Jaguars

9 Buccaneers

10 Giants

11 Redskins

12 Chargers

13 Bears

14 Saints

15 Chiefs

16 Broncos

17 Browns

18 Seahawks

19 Panthers

20 Vikings

21 Texans

22 Eagles

23 Cardinals

24 Bills

25 Ravens

26 Falcons

27 Raiders

28 Bengals

29 49ers

30 Jets

31 Dolphins

32 Rams

I know the majority of you will point out that the Steelers should be higher after they're dismantling of the Ravens last night. But before you do, stop and look at which teams they've played. Best to worst: Broncos, Browns, Seahawks, Cardinals, Bills, Ravens, Bengals and 49ers. And they've only won 6 of 8.

Comments welcome.

 

[DawgPoundNJ]

I would think that the Broncos would be 10 slots lower had they not beat the Steelers. I would think they would be last in the league if not for Jason Elam.

 

[Berger]

I would think that the Broncos would be 10 slots lower had they not beat the Steelers. I would think they would be last in the league if not for Jason Elam.

You are correct. Huge win for the Broncos. They have had a brutal schedule.

 

[Urlacher54]

3 Packers4 Lions5 Titans

Yeah, I saw this coming...

 

[thehornet]

those ranks are all over the place.

 

[ctdub]

Dallas should be 3

Cowboys 6? Only loss New England

Packers 3? Lost to the Bears

2 loss Detroit 4?

Titans 5? Lost to a 4-loss Tampa

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

Lions > Steelers is surprising.

 

[Berger]

Dallas should be 3

Cowboys 6? Only loss New England

Packers 3? Lost to the Bears

2 loss Detroit 4?

Titans 5? Lost to a 4-loss Tampa

Thats only one part of the equation. Lets compare Dallas to Green Bay.Dallas wins:

giants(10)

bears(13)

vikings(20)

eagles(22)

bills(24)

dolphins(31)

rams(32)

Packers wins:

giants(10)

redskins(11)

chargers(12)

chiefs(15)

broncos(16)

vikings(20)

eagles(22)

What exactly makes Dallas better? They've had a much softer schedule.

 

[Berger]

Lions > Steelers is surprising.

Why?

 

[Steeler]

Calculated Power Rankings.

What's your formula?

 

[timschochet]

Dallas should be 3

Cowboys 6? Only loss New England

Packers 3? Lost to the Bears

2 loss Detroit 4?

Titans 5? Lost to a 4-loss Tampa

Thats only one part of the equation. Lets compare Dallas to Green Bay.Dallas wins:

giants(10)

bears(13)

vikings(20)

eagles(22)

bills(24)

dolphins(31)

rams(32)

Packers wins:

giants(10)

redskins(11)

chargers(12)

chiefs(15)

broncos(16)

vikings(20)

eagles(22)

What exactly makes Dallas better? They've had a pretty soft schedule.

Strength of Schedule is almost a meaningless statistic when it comes to measuring a teams power rating in the NFL, because all of the teams have nearly equal talent. Certain statistics are much better indicators, such as turnover ratio, yards per attempt, run and pass defense, even margin of victory. "Who have they beaten"? is a question that should have very little weight.

 

[dgreen]

I'd rather not publicize the formula yet...

Are you still not publicizing the formula. I looked for it, but couldn't find it anywhere.

 

[Berger]

Calculated Power Rankings.

What's your formula?

A team that beats good teams is better than a team that beats crappy teams.

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

Lions > Steelers is surprising.

Why?

Because I think the Steelers have a better offense than the Lions do, and a better defense. The Lions' defense has really come on in the last few weeks (against two very bad offenses), but overall I don't think they're good.

 

[cowboysin07]

So it doesn't matter that the boys have beat the teams they are suppose to beat by an average of around 28??? That is besides buffalo. Yet the Pack continue to win by 3 and you dont' think there will be a variance in coming games?

 

[ctdub]

The fact that the packers lost to the Bears, a team that the cowboys whipped and the cowboys only loss is to the Patriots. Common opponents.

Ranking a 2-loss Lions team and a 2- loss Titans team over them is also crazy.

 

[redman]

Calculated Power Rankings.

What's your formula?

A team that beats good teams is better than a team that beats crappy teams.

Without saying how much better, it's a pretty worthless summary when ranking more than two teams.

 

[mad sweeney]

I would think that the Broncos would be 10 slots lower had they not beat the Steelers. I would think they would be last in the league if not for Jason ElamMiami and St Louis.

 

[KnowledgeReignsSupreme]

Calculated Power Rankings.

What's your formula?

A team that beats good teams is better than a team that beats crappy teams.

Novel concept.

 

[KnowledgeReignsSupreme]

The fact that the packers lost to the Bears, a team that the cowboys whipped and the cowboys only loss is to the Patriots. Common opponents.

Ranking a 2-loss Lions team and a 2- loss Titans team over them is also crazy.

this is more your style methinks.

 

[timschochet]

So it doesn't matter that the boys have beat the teams they are suppose to beat by an average of around 28??? That is besides buffalo. Yet the Pack continue to win by 3 and you dont' think there will be a variance in coming games?

You are exactly right. Margin of victory is a very important indicator. Based on this, after the first tier of New England and Indy, there should be a 2nd tier of Dallas and Pittsburgh. Green Bay, Giants, Detroit and the Titans belong in a 3rd tier, and a 4th tier might include Cleveland, New Orleans, San Diego, Kansas City, and Jacksonville. After that, it drops way off.

 

[Jersey35]

I think this is a very interesting list, particularly 3-10. Of course we've got DAL and PIT fans complaining already but I could easily buy an argument for GB & DET above these two teams. I'll admit to being a Packer fan, but I'd have expected to see them ranked below DAL & PIT.

I like the idea of a mathematical equation being used to do your rankings, and I would be curious to see how your formula has worked in the past. I'd also be curious to know at what point in the season you believe you have enough data to draw conclusions having bearing on likely SuperBowl candidates.. Week 9?

 

[schooner44]

The Bills at 24 is way off. They have had a fairly tough schedule thus far and are two last minute field goals away from being 6-2. Even with those two losses, they are still 4-4 and should be in the teens.

 

[ctdub]

Calculated Power Rankings.

What's your formula?

A team that beats good teams is better than a team that beats crappy teams.

And a team that loses to a crappy team or multiple crappy teams is better than a team that only loses to the best team.

 

[azgroover]

using the Pythagorean technique. here's another set of rankings. don't shoot the messenger, this is simply a PF/PA calc.

1	New England Patriots 2	Pittsburgh Steelers 3	Indianapolis Colts 4	Dallas Cowboys 5	Green Bay Packers 6	Tennessee Titans 7	New York Giants 8	Seattle Seahawks 9	San Diego Chargers 10	Tampa Bay Buccaneers 11	Detroit Lions 12	Minnesota Vikings 13	Jacksonville Jaguars 14	Philadelphia Eagles 15	Cleveland Browns 16	Washington Redskins 17	New Orleans Saints 18	Arizona Cardinals 19	Houston Texans 20	Oakland Raiders 21	Carolina Panthers 22	Kansas City Chiefs 23	Baltimore Ravens 24	Buffalo Bills 25	Cincinnati Bengals 26	Chicago Bears 27	New York Jets 28	Atlanta Falcons 29	Miami Dolphins 30	San Francisco 49ers 31	Denver Broncos 32	St. Louis Rams

 

[Berger]

I think this is a very interesting list, particularly 3-10. Of course we've got DAL and PIT fans complaining already but I could easily buy an argument for GB & DET above these two teams. I'll admit to being a Packer fan, but I'd have expected to see them ranked below DAL & PIT.

I like the idea of a mathematical equation being used to do your rankings, and I would be curious to see how your formula has worked in the past. I'd also be curious to know at what point in the season you believe you have enough data to draw conclusions having bearing on likely SuperBowl candidates.. Week 9?

Last years rankings:week8

week9

week10

week11

 

[KnowledgeReignsSupreme]

Calculated Power Rankings.

What's your formula?

A team that beats good teams is better than a team that beats crappy teams.

And a team that loses to a crappy team or multiple crappy teams is better than a team that only loses to the best team.

What about a team that loses to multiple crappy teams and beats multiple good teams?

 

[Berger]

The Bills at 24 is way off. They have had a fairly tough schedule thus far and are two last minute field goals away from being 6-2. Even with those two losses, they are still 4-4 and should be in the teens.

The Bills beat the Jets, Ravens, Jets and Bengals. That only proves they can beat really crappy teams.

 

[Berger]

Calculated Power Rankings.

What's your formula?

A team that beats good teams is better than a team that beats crappy teams.

And a team that loses to a crappy team or multiple crappy teams is better than a team that only loses to the best team.

What about a team that loses to multiple crappy teams and beats multiple good teams?

Who are you referring to?

 

[Berger]

Calculated Power Rankings.

What's your formula?

A team that beats good teams is better than a team that beats crappy teams.

And a team that loses to a crappy team or multiple crappy teams is better than a team that only loses to the best team.

Depends on who they are beating.

 

[KnowledgeReignsSupreme]

this is more your style methinks.

Provides for some interesting rankings and is based on the "team a beat team b and team b beat team c so a > c" method.1: NWE

2-3: DAL, GNB

4: NYG

5: WAS

6-7: DET, IND

8-11: MIN, CHI, TAM, TEN

12-14: SDG, JAX, CAR

15-18: DEN, KC, HOU, NOR

19-21: PIT, OAK, ATL

22-23: BUF, CLE

24-25: PHI, SEA

26-27: CIN, ARI

28: BAL

29-30: NYJ, SFO

31-32: MIA, STL

Pretty interesting results.

 

[Berger]

Dallas should be 3

Cowboys 6? Only loss New England

Packers 3? Lost to the Bears

2 loss Detroit 4?

Titans 5? Lost to a 4-loss Tampa

Thats only one part of the equation. Lets compare Dallas to Green Bay.Dallas wins:

giants(10)

bears(13)

vikings(20)

eagles(22)

bills(24)

dolphins(31)

rams(32)

Packers wins:

giants(10)

redskins(11)

chargers(12)

chiefs(15)

broncos(16)

vikings(20)

eagles(22)

What exactly makes Dallas better? They've had a pretty soft schedule.

Strength of Schedule is almost a meaningless statistic when it comes to measuring a teams power rating in the NFL, because all of the teams have nearly equal talent. Certain statistics are much better indicators, such as turnover ratio, yards per attempt, run and pass defense, even margin of victory. "Who have they beaten"? is a question that should have very little weight.

So if the Bills were to beat the Pats in week 11, you wouldn't think anything of it because they have nearly equal talent?

 

[Mr. Brownstone]

I have to disregard any formula that ends up placing the Jaguars as the 8th best team in the NFL.

 

[Berger]

I have to disregard any formula that ends up placing the Jaguars as the 8th best team in the NFL.

And your opinion of the top 8 are?

 

[Mr. Brownstone]

I have to disregard any formula that ends up placing the Jaguars as the 8th best team in the NFL.

And your opinion of the top 8 are?

I guess your top 7 and another team that you have close to eight. I'm not here to knock your rankings, especially given that I haven't posted any myself. But, I just don't think the Jags are as good as their record indicates.

 

[Berger]

I have to disregard any formula that ends up placing the Jaguars as the 8th best team in the NFL.

And your opinion of the top 8 are?

I guess your top 7 and another team that you have close to eight. I'm not here to knock your rankings, especially given that I haven't posted any myself. But, I just don't think the Jags are as good as their record indicates.

Fair enough.

 

[Ned]

love your work.

 

[Berger]

love your work.

Thanks man. Does this mean I can see your lineup? TIA

 

[Tommy Collins]

RANK		  TEAM				   PF/G   PA/G	DIFF/G1	 New England Patriots							  39.4	16.3	 23.12	 Pittsburgh Steelers								 27.8	12.3	 15.53	 Indianapolis Colts								   30.5	15.8	 14.74	 Dallas Cowboys									 33.1	21.9	 11.25	 Green Bay Packers								 24.3	17.8	 6.56	 New York Giants									  25	 19.9	  5.17	 Tennessee Titans									20.6   15.5	  5.18	 Seattle Seahawks								   20.9	17.6	 3.39	 San Diego Chargers								23.6   20.5	  3.110	Tampa Bay Buccaneers						   18.2	 16	   2.211	Detroit Lions											25	 23.1	  1.912	Minnesota Vikings								   20.8	19.3	  1.513	Jacksonville Jaguars								19.4	18.9	 0.514	Philadelphia Eagles								 19.5	19.4	  0.115	Cleveland Browns								   28.4	29.1	 -0.716	Washington Redskins								19	  20		-117	New Orleans Saints								 21.6	 23.3	 -1.718	Arizona Cardinals									19.6	21.8	  -2.219	Houston Texans									  22.6	 25.1	 -2.520	Kansas City Chiefs								  15.5	18.3	  -2.821	Carolina Panthers									17.1	20.1	  -322	Oakland Raiders									   19	  22.1	 -3.123	Buffalo Bills											16.3	 19.5	 -3.224	Baltimore Ravens									16.4	19.6	  -3.225	Chicago Bears										  18	 22.6	  -4.626	Cincinnati Bengals								   24.8	30.5	  -5.727	Atlanta Falcons										14.4	21.1	  -6.728	New York Jets										 17.7	25.3	   -7.629	Miami Dolphins										20.8	30.5	  -9.730	San Francisco 49ers								  13	 23.3	   -10.331	Denver Broncos									   15.8   28.4	  -12.632	St. Louis Rams										 12.4   27.4	   -15

 

[Tommy Collins]

CODE sucks

 

[Mr. Brownstone]

I have to disregard any formula that ends up placing the Jaguars as the 8th best team in the NFL.

And your opinion of the top 8 are?

I guess your top 7 and another team that you have close to eight. I'm not here to knock your rankings, especially given that I haven't posted any myself. But, I just don't think the Jags are as good as their record indicates.

Fair enough.

Berger,Hindsight is 20/20 here for me. I'm generally pessimistic in regards to the team that I am a fan of. I'd have to say that, gladly, I was off-base.