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Calvin Johnson is not a superstar..... (1 Viewer)

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Being a superstar in College does not mean you are going to be another Randy Moss in the NFL. I don't understand what the scouts saw in this cat at the combine and on film. Remember the college game is not as fast as the pro game and watching his play he is rather ordinary. Not Moss like in any way. Doesn't use his height to his advantage; not a great route runner. Moss in his rookie year looked much more polished and had 17 TD's to boot and 69 receptions.

Really you would expect a lot more production from a 3rd overall pick who was held as the next coming of Randy Moss in the draft in a Mike Martz Offensive system...

 
uconnalum said:
Being a superstar in College does not mean you are going to be another Randy Moss in the NFL. I don't understand what the scouts saw in this cat at the combine and on film. Remember the college game is not as fast as the pro game and watching his play he is rather ordinary. Not Moss like in any way. Doesn't use his height to his advantage; not a great route runner. Moss in his rookie year looked much more polished and had 17 TD's to boot and 69 receptions.Really you would expect a lot more production from a 3rd overall pick who was held as the next coming of Randy Moss in the draft in a Mike Martz Offensive system...
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I'm not sure why everyone was so high on Calvin in the first place. He's a rookie WR. I didn't expect anything more.
 
He was definitely overhyped entering the league, but he'll probably still be a perennial Pro Bowl type WR in the long run. For every instant star like Randy Moss there are lots of elite WRs who take 1-3 years to reach the peak of their potential.

 
He's going to be outstanding. He's just a rookie and has many years in front of him. I didn't like his ADP this year, going to a team where you have a Pro Bowl Wide receiver already and you have 2 veteran receivers in McDonald and Furrey.

Calvin Johnson will be a Pro Bowl receiver one day.

 
Iwannabeacowboybaby! said:
He's going to be outstanding. He's just a rookie and has many years in front of him. I didn't like his ADP this year, going to a team where you have a Pro Bowl Wide receiver already and you have 2 veteran receivers in McDonald and Furrey. Calvin Johnson will be a Pro Bowl receiver one day.
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Definitely targeting him as a buy low candidate in all of my dynasty leagues. Johnson is a rookie in a very complex offense, with solid veteran options in front of him. He is going to be a stud.
 
I understand but as a quiet supporter of the LIONS; would love to see them do well this year they could of helped themselves in other areas in the draft than at WR; mainly in the secondary with the loss of Dre Bly.

Especially with Charles Rogers being out of the league already and Big Mike Williams is now out of the league since the Raiders released him two weeks ago after dropping a crucial 4th down pass.

 
uconnalum said:
Being a superstar in College does not mean you are going to be another Randy Moss in the NFL. I don't understand what the scouts saw in this cat at the combine and on film. Remember the college game is not as fast as the pro game and watching his play he is rather ordinary. Not Moss like in any way. Doesn't use his height to his advantage; not a great route runner. Moss in his rookie year looked much more polished and had 17 TD's to boot and 69 receptions.Really you would expect a lot more production from a 3rd overall pick who was held as the next coming of Randy Moss in the draft in a Mike Martz Offensive system...
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So the only way a WR can be a superstar in this league is if he looks like Randy Moss during his rookie year? Are you sure about that?
 
I agree. Calvin Johnson joins the ranks of other ordinary WRs in the NFL such as:

Terrell Owens (35-520-4 as a rookie)

Plaxico Burress (23-273-0)

Reggie Wayne (27-345-0)

Chad Johnson (28-329-1)

Donald Driver (3-31-1)

Javon Walker (23-319-1)

Hines Ward (15-246-0)

Laveranues Coles (22-370-1)

Steve Smith (10-154-0)

 
I see why people are being skeptical. I feel the imbalance in that Lions offense coupled with Kitna not being a very good QB is more directly linked to CJ's lack of production than CJ's ability. You RARELY see rookie WR's (no matter how highly touted they are), make an immediate impact in year one. Sure there are exceptions, but I would hardly think of throwing in the towel on this kid.

 
As long as they're both on the same team, who would you rank higher for dynasty purposes? Roy Williams or Calvin Johnson?

Would anyone rank Johnson ahead of Williams for the long run? (over the next 5 years).

 
Spartans Rule said:
I agree. Calvin Johnson joins the ranks of other ordinary WRs in the NFL such as:Terrell Owens (35-520-4 as a rookie)Plaxico Burress (23-273-0)Reggie Wayne (27-345-0)Chad Johnson (28-329-1)Donald Driver (3-31-1)Javon Walker (23-319-1)Hines Ward (15-246-0)Laveranues Coles (22-370-1)Steve Smith (10-154-0)
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:confused:WR's take some time to develop in the NFL.
 
This is the most ridiculous thread I have ever read (and that's saying something, because I have written plenty of ridculous threads myself!)

Ouside of QB, there is no harder position to learn in the NFL than WR. Sometimes it takes 2, even 3 or 4 years to pick up the basics. Look at Braylon Edwards this year; he finally gets it. How long did it take him?

Johnson is an unbelievable talent who will someday be thought of as one of the greatest WRs who ever played, barring injury.Already, despite not knowing what he is doing, his presence alone prevents teams from double teaming Roy.

 
being at the game today, I was getting more and more irritated with every offensive play. Lions looked horrible, and when Kitna did get time to throw the ball, he would come out of the snap looking at the WR he would throw to. . . .Calvin was targeted deep in the endzone on their first drive, and then the running game went to crap, so then the cards just played the pass the rest of the day, and during then, CJ was rarely even looked at. . . .he might as well not have been on the field.

similar note . . . .that was a sloppy sloppy game!

 
Either he is not as fast as anticipated (thus not gaining separation), or he is being triple covered. I know the guy has exceptional hands and I am not sure why the Lion's don't chuck it deep to him at least once a game. Observation: everytime this guy falls or gets tackled, I feel that he is seriously injured. His movements seem awkward at times and he is not as fluid as I thought he would be.

 
StuntMonkee said:
being at the game today, I was getting more and more irritated with every offensive play. Lions looked horrible, and when Kitna did get time to throw the ball, he would come out of the snap looking at the WR he would throw to. . . .Calvin was targeted deep in the endzone on their first drive, and then the running game went to crap, so then the cards just played the pass the rest of the day, and during then, CJ was rarely even looked at. . . .he might as well not have been on the field.similar note . . . .that was a sloppy sloppy game!
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Did he seem to get separation?
 
AtomicDogg97 said:
The Lions should have drafted Joe Thomas.
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The problem is that the Lions already have a left tackle, Jeff Backus, and are paying him franchise money.Sure he sucks, but the money's sunk so Detroit is stuck with him.This will probably end up being the best year of the Millen Era. People think the Lions are moving in the right direction, but Millen has boggled the cap situation so badly that they won't be able to improve the team further.
 
timschochet said:
This is the most ridiculous thread I have ever read (and that's saying something, because I have written plenty of ridculous threads myself!)Ouside of QB, there is no harder position to learn in the NFL than WR. Sometimes it takes 2, even 3 or 4 years to pick up the basics. Look at Braylon Edwards this year; he finally gets it. How long did it take him?Johnson is an unbelievable talent who will someday be thought of as one of the greatest WRs who ever played, barring injury.Already, despite not knowing what he is doing, his presence alone prevents teams from double teaming Roy.
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;) But I disagree on one point, TE not WR is the 2nd hardest postition to learn in the NFL. A TE has to learn both how to be a Lineman and learn how to run WR routes. It takes some time for Most TE's to develope. But a good post anyway.
 
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King of the Jungle said:
cstu said:
AtomicDogg97 said:
The Lions should have drafted Joe Thomas.
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I said this all preseason, still don't know why they drafted a WR who doesn't fit Martz' system.
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I was in denial for awhile...but I believe this to be true.
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Give him some time he will be a great WR in years to come. Dwayne Bowe has had the luxury to be on a team with one real receiving threat and has done well. CJ is on a team with a Pro Bowl caliber WR already on the roster and several veterans who are all better then the garbage they have in KC. Time, talent and oppertunity will make CJ a Star.
 
uconnalum said:
Being a superstar in College does not mean you are going to be another Randy Moss in the NFL. I don't understand what the scouts saw in this cat at the combine and on film. Remember the college game is not as fast as the pro game and watching his play he is rather ordinary. Not Moss like in any way. Doesn't use his height to his advantage; not a great route runner. Moss in his rookie year looked much more polished and had 17 TD's to boot and 69 receptions.Really you would expect a lot more production from a 3rd overall pick who was held as the next coming of Randy Moss in the draft in a Mike Martz Offensive system...
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:rolleyes: You know hes a rookie right? What they saw at the combine?...... did you just spit that out or did you look at the actual stats?I like how you assume everyones logic for Calvin being good is "He was a Stud in college!!" , On tape I have never seen a WR with the agility and body control of someone of his size. Unlike many other tall/speedy Wr's hes game isn't limited to the straight line speedHopefully you'll have the sac to show up when your spew is proven to be nothing more than :thumbup: If I had a penny for every future Hall of Famer that sucked there 1st year.......Stay in touch.
 
King of the Jungle said:
StuntMonkee said:
being at the game today, I was getting more and more irritated with every offensive play. Lions looked horrible, and when Kitna did get time to throw the ball, he would come out of the snap looking at the WR he would throw to. . . .Calvin was targeted deep in the endzone on their first drive, and then the running game went to crap, so then the cards just played the pass the rest of the day, and during then, CJ was rarely even looked at. . . .he might as well not have been on the field.similar note . . . .that was a sloppy sloppy game!
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Did he seem to get separation?
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sounds funny, but it was hard to tell. . . .When kitna would look at him he was fairly well covered, but seemed to get pretty open more often or not all the times that Kitna was laser eyed on all the other WR
 
timschochet said:
This is the most ridiculous thread I have ever read (and that's saying something, because I have written plenty of ridculous threads myself!)Ouside of QB, there is no harder position to learn in the NFL than WR. Sometimes it takes 2, even 3 or 4 years to pick up the basics. Look at Braylon Edwards this year; he finally gets it. How long did it take him?Johnson is an unbelievable talent who will someday be thought of as one of the greatest WRs who ever played, barring injury.Already, despite not knowing what he is doing, his presence alone prevents teams from double teaming Roy.
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Dont kid yourself, Edwards didnt "finally get it", the Browns just got a decent QB to get him the ball.
 
Burning Sensation said:
timschochet said:
This is the most ridiculous thread I have ever read (and that's saying something, because I have written plenty of ridculous threads myself!)Ouside of QB, there is no harder position to learn in the NFL than WR. Sometimes it takes 2, even 3 or 4 years to pick up the basics. Look at Braylon Edwards this year; he finally gets it. How long did it take him?Johnson is an unbelievable talent who will someday be thought of as one of the greatest WRs who ever played, barring injury.Already, despite not knowing what he is doing, his presence alone prevents teams from double teaming Roy.
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Dont kid yourself, Edwards didnt "finally get it", the Browns just got a decent QB to get him the ball.
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Plus he finally recovered from a serious injury.
 
Terrible post. I would rather be subjected to pages of posts by eom and jetswillwin.

He is a rookie WR ya fantasy donkey!

 
Someone save this and bump in 2009, maybe even next year. Calvin Johnson will be a star in the NFL.*

*Not a Lions fan

 
I'm shocked he's not a superstar after 9 games into his rookie season while being injured for a 1/3 of games. LOL.

 
Burning Sensation said:
timschochet said:
This is the most ridiculous thread I have ever read (and that's saying something, because I have written plenty of ridculous threads myself!)Ouside of QB, there is no harder position to learn in the NFL than WR. Sometimes it takes 2, even 3 or 4 years to pick up the basics. Look at Braylon Edwards this year; he finally gets it. How long did it take him?Johnson is an unbelievable talent who will someday be thought of as one of the greatest WRs who ever played, barring injury.Already, despite not knowing what he is doing, his presence alone prevents teams from double teaming Roy.
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Dont kid yourself, Edwards didnt "finally get it", the Browns just got a decent QB to get him the ball.
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not to mention a knee injury...
 
EBF said:
He was definitely overhyped entering the league, but he'll probably still be a perennial Pro Bowl type WR in the long run. For every instant star like Randy Moss there are lots of elite WRs who take 1-3 years to reach the peak of their potential.
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*cough* Braylon Edwards *cough*
 
Some of the best players to target in dynasty league trades are late-season rookie WRs who didn't put up Moss-like rookie stats, and the owners feel disappointed like the OP does. No one in the history of football has ever put up Moss-like rookie stats and it's the fan expectations, not the WRs, that is the problem.

CJ will be everything he was touted to be. He's not failing just because it's not instant success.

 
he simply does not see the ball enough. What did he have today? 5 targets in a game that they were trailing for most of and throwing like crazy? Calvin is going to be a monster in this league, if you have people in your league like the OP who think he's a bust, by all means try to go out and get the guy. I am not even sure he wont be very good THIS season. He's been sporadic but so have the Lions. Roy Williams hadn't scored since Week 3 before today and he's been healthy and on the field all year to this point. Relax. I definitely think he needs to earn Kitna's confidence a little more though, since Kitna is always looking at Furrey and McDonald over Calvin right now.

 
Why do people get so defensive when it comes to Calvin? As much as the original poster needs to allow him a few years, a whole lot of you need to realize being big and fast guarantees nothing.

 
Zigg said:
Why do people get so defensive when it comes to Calvin? As much as the original poster needs to allow him a few years, a whole lot of you need to realize being big and fast guarantees nothing.
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Two things:1. People get defensive when you talk negatively about any player they have on their FF roster.2. CJ is alot more than big and fast.
 
King of the Jungle said:
Either he is not as fast as anticipated (thus not gaining separation), or he is being triple covered. I know the guy has exceptional hands and I am not sure why the Lion's don't chuck it deep to him at least once a game. Observation: everytime this guy falls or gets tackled, I feel that he is seriously injured. His movements seem awkward at times and he is not as fluid as I thought he would be.
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A regular Cameron Maybin.
 
keep posting tese threads - just stole him in my keeper league - he is mine at a very reasonable #2 WR price for the next 2 seasons after this - I see this as a great buy now opportunity in keeper/dynasty leagues... :thumbup:

 
during the game today, that said after his first 22 catches this year, 18 were for first downs. Its the Lions fault for not utilizing this stud. Its not like he's dropping anything, or quitting on his routes. He is definitely one to trade for now, if someone is dumb enough to move him in a dynasty. I now have him in 7 of my 9 dynasty leagues. I'm happy for the future, but hate Roy Williams as of today. He should learn to share. :goodposting:

 
They threw to him today in the End Zone in the first quarter and he dropped it. From there on out they shied away from him.

 
As a Lions fan, I have been impressed with Calvin. When given opportunities, he makes plays. The Lions need to find ways to get him the ball though.

 
This type of thread is started to start arguments, and rile up the Lions fans. Any moderately knowledgeable fan, obviously not someone like the OP of this thread, understands superstar rookie WR'ers don't happen every year (Rarely ever as a rookie) especially when the guy joins a team that already has a legitimate star at WR, no matter where you are drafted and who you are, you don't just suddenly become the #1 guy on a team that has a guy as good as Roy Williams.

 
Holy overreaction post batman

How many rookie wrs usually have great numbers in their first year?

Randy Moss

Anquan Boldin

Marques Colston

Michael Clayton

Relax. Calvin Johnson is just a rookie.

 
What's funny now is there were alot of people taking him over Peterson and Lynch in Dynasty Leagues. Amazing how things change.

 
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