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Cameron to name RB starter on Monday... (1 Viewer)

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Anyone think that Cameron shocks the world and doesn't start Brown? And given this offense will it really matter?

Chatman is sitting on the FA wire in a few leagues and I'm tempted to pick him up and wait until Monday.

Head coach Cam Cameron will formally name the Dolphins' starting running back next Monday.

If it's not Ronnie Brown, our jaws will drop. Brown and Jesse Chatman will both be held out of Miami's preseason finale, so that won't have a bearing on Cameron's decision. The Miami Herald predicts that Brown will get the nod.
http://www.miamiherald.com/1190/story/218438.html
 
I just checked this out on a Phins message board:

Not one of them thinks there is a chance it is not Brown and they all say this is nothing more then Cameron attempting to motivate Ronnie Brown since he feels like Brown is a big back who doesn't run tough and he wants to/needs to light a fire under him.

However, they also say that Chatman's play has definitely earned him a few handful (or more) carries per game.

 
the more i hear and see Cam Cameron,the more I dislike the guy. is he an ego-centric dude, or what?

this isn't the Yankees announcing who their captain is going to be, this is the bottom feeding miami dolphins , for pete's sake!

who doesn't think that ronnie brown wins the job.. ;) ..

it was never in doubt. is he trying to motivate brown? perhaps. but,his team has been one of the worst in the NFL over the past few seasons, Cam needs to pipe down and try to win at least 7 games..

lets hold a press conference with all the pomp and circumstance of a Kennedy wedding,to annouce that we've settled on Ron Brown as our starting RB..

 
the more i hear and see Cam Cameron,the more I dislike the guy. is he an ego-centric dude, or what?this isn't the Yankees announcing who their captain is going to be, this is the bottom feeding miami dolphins , for pete's sake!who doesn't think that ronnie brown wins the job.. :) ..it was never in doubt. is he trying to motivate brown? perhaps. but,his team has been one of the worst in the NFL over the past few seasons, Cam needs to pipe down and try to win at least 7 games..lets hold a press conference with all the pomp and circumstance of a Kennedy wedding,to annouce that we've settled on Ron Brown as our starting RB..
;) Why on earth is Ronnie Brown returning kickoffs? He is their best offensive player.
 
Watch. He names Chatman starter. Chatman is in on play 1 and then it's Ronnie Brown 85% of the rest of the game.

 
If he doesn't name Ronnie as starter, he'll take idiot crown from Gruden in the state of Florida. He's closing in fast, but that move would put him over the top. The good news is that a hurricane can come by and wash him away. :shrug:

 
the more i hear and see Cam Cameron,the more I dislike the guy. is he an ego-centric dude, or what?

this isn't the Yankees announcing who their captain is going to be, this is the bottom feeding miami dolphins , for pete's sake!

who doesn't think that ronnie brown wins the job.. :rolleyes: ..

it was never in doubt. is he trying to motivate brown? perhaps. but,his team has been one of the worst in the NFL over the past few seasons, Cam needs to pipe down and try to win at least 7 games..

lets hold a press conference with all the pomp and circumstance of a Kennedy wedding,to annouce that we've settled on Ron Brown as our starting RB..
:thumbup: Why on earth is Ronnie Brown returning kickoffs? He is their best offensive player.
The guys over on the Phins message board say it is because Cameron says Brown doens't run the ball hard and tough and while returning kicks you have no choice but to. He wants him to learn to run that way so he can carry it over to the RB position.Makes sense. I think the guy is a good coach.

 
the more i hear and see Cam Cameron,the more I dislike the guy. is he an ego-centric dude, or what?

this isn't the Yankees announcing who their captain is going to be, this is the bottom feeding miami dolphins , for pete's sake!

who doesn't think that ronnie brown wins the job.. :rolleyes: ..

it was never in doubt. is he trying to motivate brown? perhaps. but,his team has been one of the worst in the NFL over the past few seasons, Cam needs to pipe down and try to win at least 7 games..

lets hold a press conference with all the pomp and circumstance of a Kennedy wedding,to annouce that we've settled on Ron Brown as our starting RB..
:thumbup: Why on earth is Ronnie Brown returning kickoffs? He is their best offensive player.
The guys over on the Phins message board say it is because Cameron says Brown doens't run the ball hard and tough and while returning kicks you have no choice but to. He wants him to learn to run that way so he can carry it over to the RB position.Makes sense. I think the guy is a good coach.
I spend some time on the Fins message boards also. They also talk about how he also very rarely gets the ball with room to run (due to the weak O-Line). On kick returns he has plenty, and he has done very well so far, averaging 29 yards per return. They also talk about how he sometimes takes a few carries to get into the game. The kick return gets him into it right away. The point has also been debated that kick returns are very different than punt returns with regard to injury risk, yet they are grouped together as both being a huge risk. When you think about it, there is a lot of validity to that line of thinking. A kick return is not that much different from taking a pass in the flats, and running upfield with it.Cam is getting a lot of abuse for his decisions because they differ from the norm - but until it is proven that his way is wrong, I think the criticism is unwarranted. I personally respect the fact that he is willing to stray from the norm and try out his own theories.

 
the more i hear and see Cam Cameron,the more I dislike the guy. is he an ego-centric dude, or what?

this isn't the Yankees announcing who their captain is going to be, this is the bottom feeding miami dolphins , for pete's sake!

who doesn't think that ronnie brown wins the job.. :rolleyes: ..

it was never in doubt. is he trying to motivate brown? perhaps. but,his team has been one of the worst in the NFL over the past few seasons, Cam needs to pipe down and try to win at least 7 games..

lets hold a press conference with all the pomp and circumstance of a Kennedy wedding,to annouce that we've settled on Ron Brown as our starting RB..
:goodposting: Why on earth is Ronnie Brown returning kickoffs? He is their best offensive player.
The guys over on the Phins message board say it is because Cameron says Brown doens't run the ball hard and tough and while returning kicks you have no choice but to. He wants him to learn to run that way so he can carry it over to the RB position.Makes sense. I think the guy is a good coach.
I spend some time on the Fins message boards also. They also talk about how he also very rarely gets the ball with room to run (due to the weak O-Line). On kick returns he has plenty, and he has done very well so far, averaging 29 yards per return. They also talk about how he sometimes takes a few carries to get into the game. The kick return gets him into it right away. The point has also been debated that kick returns are very different than punt returns with regard to injury risk, yet they are grouped together as both being a huge risk. When you think about it, there is a lot of validity to that line of thinking. A kick return is not that much different from taking a pass in the flats, and running upfield with it.Cam is getting a lot of abuse for his decisions because they differ from the norm - but until it is proven that his way is wrong, I think the criticism is unwarranted. I personally respect the fact that he is willing to stray from the norm and try out his own theories.
:goodposting:
 
How much truth was there to there being a QB battle in Miami?
My thinking is that we'll see Beck in for good before week 10.
That's not what I'm getting at.IIRC, Cameron said there was an open competition for QB1 during training camp. He didn't officially announce Trent Green as QB1 until after their 2nd preseason game. Do I have that right, approximately? Did anyone really buy into the fact that there was a QB battle? Did anyone really think Lemon had a shot?Same at RB, IMO.
 
Good news for those of that grabbed Lorenzo Booker late? If Cameron is that unhappy with Brown and the coaches have been devising plays and formation for Booker, he should get some chances to shine ala MJD in 2007. :wishfulthinking:

 
the more i hear and see Cam Cameron,the more I dislike the guy. is he an ego-centric dude, or what?

this isn't the Yankees announcing who their captain is going to be, this is the bottom feeding miami dolphins , for pete's sake!

who doesn't think that ronnie brown wins the job.. :rolleyes: ..

it was never in doubt. is he trying to motivate brown? perhaps. but,his team has been one of the worst in the NFL over the past few seasons, Cam needs to pipe down and try to win at least 7 games..

lets hold a press conference with all the pomp and circumstance of a Kennedy wedding,to annouce that we've settled on Ron Brown as our starting RB..
:goodposting: Why on earth is Ronnie Brown returning kickoffs? He is their best offensive player.
The guys over on the Phins message board say it is because Cameron says Brown doens't run the ball hard and tough and while returning kicks you have no choice but to. He wants him to learn to run that way so he can carry it over to the RB position.Makes sense. I think the guy is a good coach.
I spend some time on the Fins message boards also. They also talk about how he also very rarely gets the ball with room to run (due to the weak O-Line). On kick returns he has plenty, and he has done very well so far, averaging 29 yards per return. They also talk about how he sometimes takes a few carries to get into the game. The kick return gets him into it right away. The point has also been debated that kick returns are very different than punt returns with regard to injury risk, yet they are grouped together as both being a huge risk. When you think about it, there is a lot of validity to that line of thinking. A kick return is not that much different from taking a pass in the flats, and running upfield with it.Cam is getting a lot of abuse for his decisions because they differ from the norm - but until it is proven that his way is wrong, I think the criticism is unwarranted. I personally respect the fact that he is willing to stray from the norm and try out his own theories.
That actually makes a lot of sense. Thanks for the "insider" info!
 
I also agree that John Beck will be starting by Week 10. They love him and there has been nothing but positive news out of TC regarding John Beck. Makes good quick decisions and has a very strong arm.

But for now . . .

Trent Green will be the starting QB Week 1

Ronnie Brown will be the starting RB Week 1

Anyone that thinks differently has either Chatman or Booker on their fantasy roster.

 
Anyone that thinks differently has either Chatman or Booker on their fantasy roster.
One thing I'm surprised about is how little activity Booker has gotten given that Cam is unhappy/motivating (whatever you want to call it) with Brown. I thought I read that he was looking fairly good early in camp.
 
Look, I really don't care who the running back is (not true, I drafte Brown), all I know is that Cameron is a football genius. I mean he used the 7th pick in the draft on Ted Ginn. "Just wait till you see him return some punts". This guy is an idiot.

 
Look, I really don't care who the running back is (not true, I drafte Brown), all I know is that Cameron is a football genius. I mean he used the 7th pick in the draft on Ted Ginn. "Just wait till you see him return some punts". This guy is an idiot.
It was the 9th pick and they still LOVE Ginn in Miami. Will be returning kicks and has a good shot at being the #3 WR.
 
Anyone that thinks differently has either Chatman or Booker on their fantasy roster.
One thing I'm surprised about is how little activity Booker has gotten given that Cam is unhappy/motivating (whatever you want to call it) with Brown. I thought I read that he was looking fairly good early in camp.
Brown and Chatman are sitting out the final preseason game vs NO this week.You'll get to see a lot of Booker this week as a RB and returning kicks.
 
Is this thread the beginning of the Chatman fan club?
It is the beginning of the Cameron Hate club; guy could take over from Shanny as the most annoying HC for fantasy owners.The comment above about making Brown take Kickoffs to teach him how to run harder actually makes sense. Also the comment that he might name Chatman starter and then play Brown 90% of the game makes sense too.
 
Anyone that thinks differently has either Chatman or Booker on their fantasy roster.
One thing I'm surprised about is how little activity Booker has gotten given that Cam is unhappy/motivating (whatever you want to call it) with Brown. I thought I read that he was looking fairly good early in camp.
This is one reason that I don't take the Chatman chatter seriously. Obviously all the chatter about Booker was hot air designed to motivate Brown, and now it is Chatman. Either that or Cam changes his mine as often as a politician. If Booker was so great, why has he seen so little PT in the preseason? If Cam was blowing smoke about Booker, is he blowing smoke about Chatman now? I think so.
 
Look, I really don't care who the running back is (not true, I drafte Brown), all I know is that Cameron is a football genius. I mean he used the 7th pick in the draft on Ted Ginn. "Just wait till you see him return some punts". This guy is an idiot.
While Cameron assuredly had a lot of influence, I would think that is an organizational decision.Besides, just like Cameron himself, I think we should see how Ginn does before discrediting either.
 
I also agree that John Beck will be starting by Week 10. They love him and there has been nothing but positive news out of TC regarding John Beck. Makes good quick decisions and has a very strong arm.But for now . . .Trent Green will be the starting QB Week 1Ronnie Brown will be the starting RB Week 1Anyone that thinks differently has either Chatman or Booker on their fantasy roster.
what if i thought differently before and now have added Chatman to my roster, does that still count?
 
Look, I really don't care who the running back is (not true, I drafte Brown), all I know is that Cameron is a football genius. I mean he used the 7th pick in the draft on Ted Ginn. "Just wait till you see him return some punts". This guy is an idiot.
It wasn't just Ted Ginn. It was the entire Ginn family . . .
 
I went in and looked at the play by plays of the preseason games and the 3 times that the Miami Starters rushed inside the opponents 5 yard line, they handed it off to brown once, Schlesinger once and chatman once.

Chatman's was 4th and 3 from the KC3, so maybe it was more of a situational, third down deal, but Brown is supposed to be a good receiver.

This sort of concerns me.

Full Disclosure: I own Ronnie Brown in my #1 league

 
Anyone that thinks differently has either Chatman or Booker on their fantasy roster.
One thing I'm surprised about is how little activity Booker has gotten given that Cam is unhappy/motivating (whatever you want to call it) with Brown. I thought I read that he was looking fairly good early in camp.
This is one reason that I don't take the Chatman chatter seriously. Obviously all the chatter about Booker was hot air designed to motivate Brown, and now it is Chatman. Either that or Cam changes his mine as often as a politician. If Booker was so great, why has he seen so little PT in the preseason? If Cam was blowing smoke about Booker, is he blowing smoke about Chatman now? I think so.
Booker missed some practices in TC becuase of the birth of his child. Cameron must have a no practice no play policy. He was thrown to alot in game 3 and you will see much more of him this weak.
 
Look, I really don't care who the running back is (not true, I drafte Brown), all I know is that Cameron is a football genius. I mean he used the 7th pick in the draft on Ted Ginn. "Just wait till you see him return some punts". This guy is an idiot.
It was the 9th pick and they still LOVE Ginn in Miami. Will be returning kicks and has a good shot at being the #3 WR.
Exactly. If all of this chatter about trading Chambers is true, it is also a very good indication that they are pleased with what they have seen from Ginn. Ginn got some good PT in the 3rd PS game also, passing Derek Hagan as the WR3. Randy Mueller was interviewed during the game and said that they have several specially designed plays for him in the offense that they are not breaking out in the preseason. They WILL take advantage of the speed advantage that he has over every other player on the field. As a Fins fan, I wanted Brady Quinn or Patrick Willis at the 9 spot at the time of the draft - but I am starting to warm up to this pick. I think Ginn will be returning kicks and punts in the regular season, and will start off as the Fins WR3. Ronnie may come in as a second kick returner in situational circumstances, which is another reason why Cam may want him to get some PS work back there. He looks great as a kick returner. Beck may turn out to be just as good if not better than Quinn - both have looked great so far, but Beck was drafted 32 spots later than we would have had to take QuinnI know I am off topic. I have no intention of hijacking the thread. I just felt the need to defend the head coach of my team while he is being unjustly crushed on these boards before he has an opportunity to coach a game.
 
Rockton said:
az_prof said:
Banger said:
ooofffaaa said:
Anyone that thinks differently has either Chatman or Booker on their fantasy roster.
One thing I'm surprised about is how little activity Booker has gotten given that Cam is unhappy/motivating (whatever you want to call it) with Brown. I thought I read that he was looking fairly good early in camp.
This is one reason that I don't take the Chatman chatter seriously. Obviously all the chatter about Booker was hot air designed to motivate Brown, and now it is Chatman. Either that or Cam changes his mine as often as a politician. If Booker was so great, why has he seen so little PT in the preseason? If Cam was blowing smoke about Booker, is he blowing smoke about Chatman now? I think so.
Booker missed some practices in TC becuase of the birth of his child. Cameron must have a no practice no play policy. He was thrown to alot in game 3 and you will see much more of him this weak.
From 8/19
Cameron said the decision to limit running back Lorenzo Booker's playing time during both exhibition games wasn't for disciplinary reasons. So what was it? Cameron said Booker has been getting plenty of repetitions during practice, so it wasn't urgent to get him into the games. But Cameron also said Booker would get more playing time this week.
http://www.miamiherald.com/616/story/208223.html
 
nygiants56 said:
the more i hear and see Cam Cameron,the more I dislike the guy. Cam needs to pipe down and try to win at least 7 games..
:shrug: This guy was a bust as a college coach and I think he'll bust in the pros as well. He was a good coordinator and that's where he belongs like Martz and Turner.
 
(KFFL) Armando Salguero, of the Miami Herald, reports Miami Dolphins RB Ronnie Brown will not play in the team's preseason finale, according to head coach Cam Cameron.

What do you make of the above statement? I drafted RB in the 2nd in a start up dynasty draft this year.

 
(KFFL) Armando Salguero, of the Miami Herald, reports Miami Dolphins RB Ronnie Brown will not play in the team's preseason finale, according to head coach Cam Cameron.What do you make of the above statement? I drafted RB in the 2nd in a start up dynasty draft this year.
Starters rarely play in the final preseason game...There is less than a 1% chance that R Brown won't be the starter and get the lion's share of the carries, IMO...
 
Everything Cam has done since arriving is to knock Ronnie Brown (and his guaranteed $21M) down a peg and give the wake up call to all the young Dolphins about commitment and under achieving. Will this work for the team and Brown? It might. But for FF, the succes of the Miami O-line and susequently the QB is the only factor that matters to the production discussion for #23.

JUST LIKE 2006.

End of story



(KFFL) Armando Salguero, of the Miami Herald, reports Miami Dolphins RB Ronnie Brown will not play in the team's preseason finale, according to head coach Cam Cameron.

What do you make of the above statement? I drafted RB in the 2nd in a start up dynasty draft this year.
Starters rarely play in the final preseason game...There is less than a 1% chance that R Brown won't be the starter and get the lion's share of the carries, IMO...
 
Don't forget that Cameron had Chatman in San Diego a few years ago and Chatman put up very, very good numbers behind LT when given the chance. RBrown will obviously be named the starter but Chatman may be a valuable handcuff if RBrown goes down. He knows the offense and has impressed Cameron before.

 
(KFFL) Armando Salguero, of the Miami Herald, reports Miami Dolphins RB Ronnie Brown will not play in the team's preseason finale, according to head coach Cam Cameron.What do you make of the above statement? I drafted RB in the 2nd in a start up dynasty draft this year.
Your gonna wish you never made that pick.Ronnie will be an average at best RB2 this season. Miami homer here as well.
 
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dgreen said:
How much truth was there to there being a QB battle in Miami?
Great post .There was no competition at all the same at RB position . Actually ( Besides injury ) Brwon did well considering the OL and QB they had the last two years .
 
Everything Cam has done since arriving is to knock Ronnie Brown (and his guaranteed $21M) down a peg and give the wake up call to all the young Dolphins about commitment and under achieving. Will this work for the team and Brown? It might. But for FF, the succes of the Miami O-line and susequently the QB is the only factor that matters to the production discussion for #23.

JUST LIKE 2006.

End of story



(KFFL) Armando Salguero, of the Miami Herald, reports Miami Dolphins RB Ronnie Brown will not play in the team's preseason finale, according to head coach Cam Cameron.

What do you make of the above statement? I drafted RB in the 2nd in a start up dynasty draft this year.
Starters rarely play in the final preseason game...There is less than a 1% chance that R Brown won't be the starter and get the lion's share of the carries, IMO...
Brown did fine last year. In games he started and finished without breaking a hand, he either scored at least 1 TD or had 100 yards combined in all but 2 games. He got 1,200 yards combined and 5 TDs in only 12.5 games. Project that a full season you get over 1500 yards combined and 6.4 TDs. His season wasn't that bad, it's just people drafted him too high.
 
Brown is the best player on the Fins offense by about 40 miles. The fact that Cam thinks he needs to do this to motivate HIM, instead of the other 10 dispicable guys lining up on the offensive side of the ball for this team is nuts.

 
Certainly, Brown is the favorite to be the workhorse this year. But I don't really understand the dismissive tone regarding Chatman. I would reckon to guess that Marshall Faulk and Priest Holmes are the two greatest fantasy players of the vast majority of this board's lifetime. Faulk was traded for a 2nd-round pick right before a 1st-round pick was spent to replace him. Other than a few shining moments, Holmes was nothing but a scrub in Baltimore. Stuff happens.

Maybe Chatman really has the stuff. Maybe Brown sucks. Or maybe the truth lies somewhere in between. I'm just not sure how one could have a very strong opinion without being close to the situation.

 

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