Can you win a Superbowl with a mediocre QB? (1 Viewer)

[pjconley]

Let's look back at all the superbowl winning quarterbacks.

Bart Starr, Green Bay Packers - SB I

Bart Starr, Green Bay Packers - SB II

Joe Namath, New York Jets - SBIII

Len Dawson, Kansas City Chiefs - SB IV

Johnny Unitas, Baltimore Colts - SB V

Roger Staubach, Dallas Cowboys - SB VI

Bob Griese, Miami Dolphins - SB VII

Bob Griese, Miami Dolphins - SB VIII

Terry Bradshaw, Pittsburgh Steelers - SB IX

Terry Bradshaw, Pittsburgh Steelers - SB X

Ken Stabler, Oakland Raiders - SB XI

Roger Staubach, Dallas Cowboys - SB XII

Terry Bradshaw, Pittsburgh Steelers - SB XIII

Terry Bradshaw, Pittsburgh Steelers - SB XIV

Jim Plunkett, Oakland Raiders - SB XV

Joe Montana, San Francisco 49ers - SB XVI

Joe Theismann, Washington Redskins - SB XVII

Jim Plunkett, Los Angeles Raiders - SB XVIII

Joe Montana, San Francisco 49ers - SB XIX

Jim McMahon, Chicago Bears - SB XX

Phil Simms, New York Giants - SB XXI

Doug Williams, Washington Redskins - SB XXII

Joe Montana, San Francisco 49ers - SB XXIII

Joe Montana, San Francisco 49ers - SB XXIV

Jeff Hostetler, New York Giants - SB XXV

Mark Rypien, Washington Redskins - SB XXVI

Troy Aikman, Dallas Cowboys - SB XXVII

Troy Aikman, Dallas Cowboys - SB XXVIII

Steve Young, San Francisco 49ers - SB XXIX

Troy Aikman, Dallas Cowboys - SB XXX

Brett Favre, Green Bay Packers - SB XXXI

John Elway, Denver Broncos - SB XXXII

John Elway, Denver Broncos - SB XXXIII

Kurt Warner, St. Louis Rams - SB XXXIV

Trent Dilfer, Baltimore Ravens - SB XXXV

Tom Brady, New England Patriots - SB XXXVI

Brad Johnson, Tampa Bay Buccaneers - SB XXXVII

Tom Brady, New England Patriots - SB XXXVIII

Tom Brady, New England Patriots - SB XXXIX

Ben Roethlisberger, Pittsburgh Steelers - SB XL

Peyton Manning, Indianapolis Colts - SB XLI

Eli Manning, New York Giants - SB XLII

So out of the 42 Superbowls, statistically speaking 5 superbowl winning quarterbacks could be considered mediocre.

Len Dawson

Jim McMahon

Phil Simms

Trent Dilfer

Eli Manning.

Source: http://www.diehard101.com/phpfox/upload/us...inning-qb-ever/

 

[Chase Stuart]

Let's look back at all the superbowl winning quarterbacks.

Bart Starr, Green Bay Packers - SB I

Bart Starr, Green Bay Packers - SB II

Joe Namath, New York Jets - SBIII

Len Dawson, Kansas City Chiefs - SB IV

Johnny Unitas, Baltimore Colts - SB V

Roger Staubach, Dallas Cowboys - SB VI

Bob Griese, Miami Dolphins - SB VII

Bob Griese, Miami Dolphins - SB VIII

Terry Bradshaw, Pittsburgh Steelers - SB IX

Terry Bradshaw, Pittsburgh Steelers - SB X

Ken Stabler, Oakland Raiders - SB XI

Roger Staubach, Dallas Cowboys - SB XII

Terry Bradshaw, Pittsburgh Steelers - SB XIII

Terry Bradshaw, Pittsburgh Steelers - SB XIV

Jim Plunkett, Oakland Raiders - SB XV

Joe Montana, San Francisco 49ers - SB XVI

Joe Theismann, Washington Redskins - SB XVII

Jim Plunkett, Los Angeles Raiders - SB XVIII

Joe Montana, San Francisco 49ers - SB XIX

Jim McMahon, Chicago Bears - SB XX

Phil Simms, New York Giants - SB XXI

Doug Williams, Washington Redskins - SB XXII

Joe Montana, San Francisco 49ers - SB XXIII

Joe Montana, San Francisco 49ers - SB XXIV

Jeff Hostetler, New York Giants - SB XXV

Mark Rypien, Washington Redskins - SB XXVI

Troy Aikman, Dallas Cowboys - SB XXVII

Troy Aikman, Dallas Cowboys - SB XXVIII

Steve Young, San Francisco 49ers - SB XXIX

Troy Aikman, Dallas Cowboys - SB XXX

Brett Favre, Green Bay Packers - SB XXXI

John Elway, Denver Broncos - SB XXXII

John Elway, Denver Broncos - SB XXXIII

Kurt Warner, St. Louis Rams - SB XXXIV

Trent Dilfer, Baltimore Ravens - SB XXXV

Tom Brady, New England Patriots - SB XXXVI

Brad Johnson, Tampa Bay Buccaneers - SB XXXVII

Tom Brady, New England Patriots - SB XXXVIII

Tom Brady, New England Patriots - SB XXXIX

Ben Roethlisberger, Pittsburgh Steelers - SB XL

Peyton Manning, Indianapolis Colts - SB XLI

Eli Manning, New York Giants - SB XLII

So out of the 42 Superbowls, statistically speaking 5 superbowl winning quarterbacks could be considered mediocre.

Len Dawson

Jim McMahon

Phil Simms

Trent Dilfer

Eli Manning.

Source: http://www.diehard101.com/phpfox/upload/us...inning-qb-ever/

Jim Plunkett down?

 

[oddball]

Trent is by far the worst on that list.

 

[pjconley]

Chase you might know the answer to this....

Is it true a quarterback that led the league in passing yards has never won the Superbowl?

 

[Chase Stuart]

Trent is by far the worst on that list.

For his career, most likely.For the season they won the SB, it's certainly arguable that Dilfer's 00 was better (or should I say less bad) than Eli's '07. Manning did lead the league in INTs.

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

Let's look back at all the superbowl winning quarterbacks.

Bart Starr, Green Bay Packers - SB I

Bart Starr, Green Bay Packers - SB II

Joe Namath, New York Jets - SBIII

Len Dawson, Kansas City Chiefs - SB IV

Johnny Unitas, Baltimore Colts - SB V

Roger Staubach, Dallas Cowboys - SB VI

Bob Griese, Miami Dolphins - SB VII

Bob Griese, Miami Dolphins - SB VIII

Terry Bradshaw, Pittsburgh Steelers - SB IX

Terry Bradshaw, Pittsburgh Steelers - SB X

Ken Stabler, Oakland Raiders - SB XI

Roger Staubach, Dallas Cowboys - SB XII

Terry Bradshaw, Pittsburgh Steelers - SB XIII

Terry Bradshaw, Pittsburgh Steelers - SB XIV

Jim Plunkett, Oakland Raiders - SB XV

Joe Montana, San Francisco 49ers - SB XVI

Joe Theismann, Washington Redskins - SB XVII

Jim Plunkett, Los Angeles Raiders - SB XVIII

Joe Montana, San Francisco 49ers - SB XIX

Jim McMahon, Chicago Bears - SB XX

Phil Simms, New York Giants - SB XXI

Doug Williams, Washington Redskins - SB XXII

Joe Montana, San Francisco 49ers - SB XXIII

Joe Montana, San Francisco 49ers - SB XXIV

Jeff Hostetler, New York Giants - SB XXV

Mark Rypien, Washington Redskins - SB XXVI

Troy Aikman, Dallas Cowboys - SB XXVII

Troy Aikman, Dallas Cowboys - SB XXVIII

Steve Young, San Francisco 49ers - SB XXIX

Troy Aikman, Dallas Cowboys - SB XXX

Brett Favre, Green Bay Packers - SB XXXI

John Elway, Denver Broncos - SB XXXII

John Elway, Denver Broncos - SB XXXIII

Kurt Warner, St. Louis Rams - SB XXXIV

Trent Dilfer, Baltimore Ravens - SB XXXV

Tom Brady, New England Patriots - SB XXXVI

Brad Johnson, Tampa Bay Buccaneers - SB XXXVII

Tom Brady, New England Patriots - SB XXXVIII

Tom Brady, New England Patriots - SB XXXIX

Ben Roethlisberger, Pittsburgh Steelers - SB XL

Peyton Manning, Indianapolis Colts - SB XLI

Eli Manning, New York Giants - SB XLII

So out of the 42 Superbowls, statistically speaking 5 superbowl winning quarterbacks could be considered mediocre.

Len Dawson

Jim McMahon

Phil Simms

Trent Dilfer

Eli Manning.

Source: http://www.diehard101.com/phpfox/upload/us...inning-qb-ever/

Unitas was a mediocre QB by 1970, and Earl Morrall played most of that Super Bowl anyway, and he was also mediocre. Unitas was 3/9 88 yds 1 td and 3 ints. Morrall was 7/15 for 147yds and 1 int. Unitas got hurt early in what was the worst played Super Bowl in history. Hell, a player from the losing team (Chuck Howley) won the MVP. That's the only time in Super Bowl history that has happened. Having said that, I'm not just listing these two QBs because of this one game, both were mediocre QBs at that time in pro-football history.

 

[radballs]

Jim Plunkett down?

What? Plunkett kicked butt. Don't get down on Jim just cause slurring Joe wasn't any better.

 

[Chase Stuart]

So out of the 42 Superbowls, statistically speaking 5 superbowl winning quarterbacks could be considered mediocre.Len Dawson

On what planet? Dawson's easily one of the best 10 QBs to ever win a SB. And while he didn't throw nearly as many passes as Favre or Elway, in some respects, you could argue him top five over either of those two.

 

[Chase Stuart]

Jim Plunkett down?

What? Plunkett kicked butt. Don't get down on Jim just cause slurring Joe wasn't any better.

Plunkett makes Eli Manning look like a #1 pick that won a SB and lived up to the hype.

 

[radballs]

So out of the 42 Superbowls, statistically speaking 5 superbowl winning quarterbacks could be considered mediocre.Len Dawson

On what planet? Dawson's easily one of the best 10 QBs to ever win a SB. And while he didn't throw nearly as many passes as Favre or Elway, in some respects, you could argue him top five over either of those two.

Plunkett was a stud Chase.

 

[vikingdave]

Big Ben was average his SB year...

 

[Chase Stuart]

Let's look back at all the superbowl winning quarterbacks.

Bart Starr, Green Bay Packers - SB I

Bart Starr, Green Bay Packers - SB II

Joe Namath, New York Jets - SBIII

Len Dawson, Kansas City Chiefs - SB IV

Johnny Unitas, Baltimore Colts - SB V

Roger Staubach, Dallas Cowboys - SB VI

Bob Griese, Miami Dolphins - SB VII

Bob Griese, Miami Dolphins - SB VIII

Terry Bradshaw, Pittsburgh Steelers - SB IX

Terry Bradshaw, Pittsburgh Steelers - SB X

Ken Stabler, Oakland Raiders - SB XI

Roger Staubach, Dallas Cowboys - SB XII

Terry Bradshaw, Pittsburgh Steelers - SB XIII

Terry Bradshaw, Pittsburgh Steelers - SB XIV

Jim Plunkett, Oakland Raiders - SB XV

Joe Montana, San Francisco 49ers - SB XVI

Joe Theismann, Washington Redskins - SB XVII

Jim Plunkett, Los Angeles Raiders - SB XVIII

Joe Montana, San Francisco 49ers - SB XIX

Jim McMahon, Chicago Bears - SB XX

Phil Simms, New York Giants - SB XXI

Doug Williams, Washington Redskins - SB XXII

Joe Montana, San Francisco 49ers - SB XXIII

Joe Montana, San Francisco 49ers - SB XXIV

Jeff Hostetler, New York Giants - SB XXV

Mark Rypien, Washington Redskins - SB XXVI

Troy Aikman, Dallas Cowboys - SB XXVII

Troy Aikman, Dallas Cowboys - SB XXVIII

Steve Young, San Francisco 49ers - SB XXIX

Troy Aikman, Dallas Cowboys - SB XXX

Brett Favre, Green Bay Packers - SB XXXI

John Elway, Denver Broncos - SB XXXII

John Elway, Denver Broncos - SB XXXIII

Kurt Warner, St. Louis Rams - SB XXXIV

Trent Dilfer, Baltimore Ravens - SB XXXV

Tom Brady, New England Patriots - SB XXXVI

Brad Johnson, Tampa Bay Buccaneers - SB XXXVII

Tom Brady, New England Patriots - SB XXXVIII

Tom Brady, New England Patriots - SB XXXIX

Ben Roethlisberger, Pittsburgh Steelers - SB XL

Peyton Manning, Indianapolis Colts - SB XLI

Eli Manning, New York Giants - SB XLII

So out of the 42 Superbowls, statistically speaking 5 superbowl winning quarterbacks could be considered mediocre.

Len Dawson

Jim McMahon

Phil Simms

Trent Dilfer

Eli Manning.

Source: http://www.diehard101.com/phpfox/upload/us...inning-qb-ever/

Unitas was a mediocre QB by 1970, and Earl Morrall played most of that Super Bowl anyway, and he was also mediocre. Unitas was 3/9 88 yds 1 td and 3 ints. Morrall was 7/15 for 147yds and 1 int. Unitas got hurt early in what was the worst played Super Bowl in history. Hell, a player from the losing team (Chuck Howley) won the MVP. That's the only time in Super Bowl history that has happened. Having said that, I'm not just listing these two QBs because of this one game, both were mediocre QBs at that time in pro-football history.

Morrall played extremely well that year in limited duty. And he was lights out two years later, winning an MVP. He wasn't mediocre then, and (as you implied) was quite a bit above mediocre for his career.

 

[radballs]

Jim Plunkett down?

What? Plunkett kicked butt. Don't get down on Jim just cause slurring Joe wasn't any better.

Plunkett makes Eli Manning look like a #1 pick that won a SB and lived up to the hype.

Except it wasn't about him but his outstanding defense and a crazy lucky catch from his WR6. He's average and so was his play in that game.

 

[vikingdave]

Mark Rypien and Jeff Hostetler are the definition of mediocre...

 

[Chase Stuart]

Jim Plunkett down?

What? Plunkett kicked butt. Don't get down on Jim just cause slurring Joe wasn't any better.

Plunkett makes Eli Manning look like a #1 pick that won a SB and lived up to the hype.

Except it wasn't about him but his outstanding defense and a crazy lucky catch from his WR6. He's average and so was his play in that game.

I'm glad you finally came around, GB.

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

Let's look back at all the superbowl winning quarterbacks.

Bart Starr, Green Bay Packers - SB I

Bart Starr, Green Bay Packers - SB II

Joe Namath, New York Jets - SBIII

Len Dawson, Kansas City Chiefs - SB IV

Johnny Unitas, Baltimore Colts - SB V

Roger Staubach, Dallas Cowboys - SB VI

Bob Griese, Miami Dolphins - SB VII

Bob Griese, Miami Dolphins - SB VIII

Terry Bradshaw, Pittsburgh Steelers - SB IX

Terry Bradshaw, Pittsburgh Steelers - SB X

Ken Stabler, Oakland Raiders - SB XI

Roger Staubach, Dallas Cowboys - SB XII

Terry Bradshaw, Pittsburgh Steelers - SB XIII

Terry Bradshaw, Pittsburgh Steelers - SB XIV

Jim Plunkett, Oakland Raiders - SB XV

Joe Montana, San Francisco 49ers - SB XVI

Joe Theismann, Washington Redskins - SB XVII

Jim Plunkett, Los Angeles Raiders - SB XVIII

Joe Montana, San Francisco 49ers - SB XIX

Jim McMahon, Chicago Bears - SB XX

Phil Simms, New York Giants - SB XXI

Doug Williams, Washington Redskins - SB XXII

Joe Montana, San Francisco 49ers - SB XXIII

Joe Montana, San Francisco 49ers - SB XXIV

Jeff Hostetler, New York Giants - SB XXV

Mark Rypien, Washington Redskins - SB XXVI

Troy Aikman, Dallas Cowboys - SB XXVII

Troy Aikman, Dallas Cowboys - SB XXVIII

Steve Young, San Francisco 49ers - SB XXIX

Troy Aikman, Dallas Cowboys - SB XXX

Brett Favre, Green Bay Packers - SB XXXI

John Elway, Denver Broncos - SB XXXII

John Elway, Denver Broncos - SB XXXIII

Kurt Warner, St. Louis Rams - SB XXXIV

Trent Dilfer, Baltimore Ravens - SB XXXV

Tom Brady, New England Patriots - SB XXXVI

Brad Johnson, Tampa Bay Buccaneers - SB XXXVII

Tom Brady, New England Patriots - SB XXXVIII

Tom Brady, New England Patriots - SB XXXIX

Ben Roethlisberger, Pittsburgh Steelers - SB XL

Peyton Manning, Indianapolis Colts - SB XLI

Eli Manning, New York Giants - SB XLII

So out of the 42 Superbowls, statistically speaking 5 superbowl winning quarterbacks could be considered mediocre.

Len Dawson

Jim McMahon

Phil Simms

Trent Dilfer

Eli Manning.

Source: http://www.diehard101.com/phpfox/upload/us...inning-qb-ever/

Unitas was a mediocre QB by 1970, and Earl Morrall played most of that Super Bowl anyway, and he was also mediocre. Unitas was 3/9 88 yds 1 td and 3 ints. Morrall was 7/15 for 147yds and 1 int. Unitas got hurt early in what was the worst played Super Bowl in history. Hell, a player from the losing team (Chuck Howley) won the MVP. That's the only time in Super Bowl history that has happened. Having said that, I'm not just listing these two QBs because of this one game, both were mediocre QBs at that time in pro-football history.

Morrall played extremely well that year in limited duty. And he was lights out two years later, winning an MVP. He wasn't mediocre then, and (as you implied) was quite a bit above mediocre for his career.

Morrall threw for 792 yds and 9 tds and 4 ints in the 1970 season. In the Dolphins undefeated season where he played a lot, he threw for 1310 yds 11 tds and 7 ints. Where did he play lights out after or during Super Bowl V or the 1970 season? His best year was in 1968 where he threw for 2909 yds 26 tds and 17 ints.Edited to add - Where you say he was above mediocre for his career, 51.3% passer with 161 tds and 148 ints. Hardly above mediocre. He managed the games well in that 1972 season (Griese played in SB), but even for that time his play wasn't much better than mediocre. The same could be said for Trent Dilfer in his SB season.

 

[radballs]

Wow, only 8 QBs with multiple wins. That must make Plunkett a top 10 QB of all time. Cause it's all about SB rings.

 

[awesomeness]

For all the average QB's that won a superbowl, it usually took some variation of:

Very good defense

QB's playing above their heads (managing the games well)

Luck

 

[GoBills02]

For all the average QB's that one a superbowl, it usually took some variation of:Very good defenseQB's playing above their heads (managing the games well)Luck

In Hostetlers case, it was superior coaching by Parcells over Levy, OJ Andersons hard running, and of course, the kick......

 

[Chase Stuart]

Let's look back at all the superbowl winning quarterbacks.

Bart Starr, Green Bay Packers - SB I

Bart Starr, Green Bay Packers - SB II

Joe Namath, New York Jets - SBIII

Len Dawson, Kansas City Chiefs - SB IV

Johnny Unitas, Baltimore Colts - SB V

Roger Staubach, Dallas Cowboys - SB VI

Bob Griese, Miami Dolphins - SB VII

Bob Griese, Miami Dolphins - SB VIII

Terry Bradshaw, Pittsburgh Steelers - SB IX

Terry Bradshaw, Pittsburgh Steelers - SB X

Ken Stabler, Oakland Raiders - SB XI

Roger Staubach, Dallas Cowboys - SB XII

Terry Bradshaw, Pittsburgh Steelers - SB XIII

Terry Bradshaw, Pittsburgh Steelers - SB XIV

Jim Plunkett, Oakland Raiders - SB XV

Joe Montana, San Francisco 49ers - SB XVI

Joe Theismann, Washington Redskins - SB XVII

Jim Plunkett, Los Angeles Raiders - SB XVIII

Joe Montana, San Francisco 49ers - SB XIX

Jim McMahon, Chicago Bears - SB XX

Phil Simms, New York Giants - SB XXI

Doug Williams, Washington Redskins - SB XXII

Joe Montana, San Francisco 49ers - SB XXIII

Joe Montana, San Francisco 49ers - SB XXIV

Jeff Hostetler, New York Giants - SB XXV

Mark Rypien, Washington Redskins - SB XXVI

Troy Aikman, Dallas Cowboys - SB XXVII

Troy Aikman, Dallas Cowboys - SB XXVIII

Steve Young, San Francisco 49ers - SB XXIX

Troy Aikman, Dallas Cowboys - SB XXX

Brett Favre, Green Bay Packers - SB XXXI

John Elway, Denver Broncos - SB XXXII

John Elway, Denver Broncos - SB XXXIII

Kurt Warner, St. Louis Rams - SB XXXIV

Trent Dilfer, Baltimore Ravens - SB XXXV

Tom Brady, New England Patriots - SB XXXVI

Brad Johnson, Tampa Bay Buccaneers - SB XXXVII

Tom Brady, New England Patriots - SB XXXVIII

Tom Brady, New England Patriots - SB XXXIX

Ben Roethlisberger, Pittsburgh Steelers - SB XL

Peyton Manning, Indianapolis Colts - SB XLI

Eli Manning, New York Giants - SB XLII

So out of the 42 Superbowls, statistically speaking 5 superbowl winning quarterbacks could be considered mediocre.

Len Dawson

Jim McMahon

Phil Simms

Trent Dilfer

Eli Manning.

Source: http://www.diehard101.com/phpfox/upload/us...inning-qb-ever/

Unitas was a mediocre QB by 1970, and Earl Morrall played most of that Super Bowl anyway, and he was also mediocre. Unitas was 3/9 88 yds 1 td and 3 ints. Morrall was 7/15 for 147yds and 1 int. Unitas got hurt early in what was the worst played Super Bowl in history. Hell, a player from the losing team (Chuck Howley) won the MVP. That's the only time in Super Bowl history that has happened. Having said that, I'm not just listing these two QBs because of this one game, both were mediocre QBs at that time in pro-football history.

Morrall played extremely well that year in limited duty. And he was lights out two years later, winning an MVP. He wasn't mediocre then, and (as you implied) was quite a bit above mediocre for his career.

Morrall threw for 755 yds and 9 tds and 4 ints in the 1969 season. In the Dolphins undefeated season where he played a lot, he threw for 1310 yds 11 tds and 7 ints. Where did he play lights out after or during Super Bowl V or the 1969 season? His best year was in 1968 where he threw for 2909 yds 26 tds and 17 ints.Edited to add - Where you say he was above mediocre for his career, 51.3% passer with 161 tds and 148 ints. Hardly above mediocre. He managed the games well in that 1972 season (Griese played in SB), but even for that time his play wasn't much better than mediocre. The same could be said for Trent Dilfer in his SB season.

I don't think you have much grasp of what the NFL was like in the '60s and '70s. He threw for more TDs than INTs. That's saying something right there. Morall's numbers in 1972 were very good. And they were quite a bit better than those of his HOF teammate. His big year was '68, yes, but he had impressive years in '63, '72, '70 and '65 as well. You have to compare him to his contemporaries.

 

[Chase Stuart]

For all the average QB's that one a superbowl, it usually took some variation of:Very good defenseQB's playing above their heads (managing the games well)Luck

1 and 3 is true for about 35 or so of the SB winners.

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

Let's look back at all the superbowl winning quarterbacks.

Bart Starr, Green Bay Packers - SB I

Bart Starr, Green Bay Packers - SB II

Joe Namath, New York Jets - SBIII

Len Dawson, Kansas City Chiefs - SB IV

Johnny Unitas, Baltimore Colts - SB V

Roger Staubach, Dallas Cowboys - SB VI

Bob Griese, Miami Dolphins - SB VII

Bob Griese, Miami Dolphins - SB VIII

Terry Bradshaw, Pittsburgh Steelers - SB IX

Terry Bradshaw, Pittsburgh Steelers - SB X

Ken Stabler, Oakland Raiders - SB XI

Roger Staubach, Dallas Cowboys - SB XII

Terry Bradshaw, Pittsburgh Steelers - SB XIII

Terry Bradshaw, Pittsburgh Steelers - SB XIV

Jim Plunkett, Oakland Raiders - SB XV

Joe Montana, San Francisco 49ers - SB XVI

Joe Theismann, Washington Redskins - SB XVII

Jim Plunkett, Los Angeles Raiders - SB XVIII

Joe Montana, San Francisco 49ers - SB XIX

Jim McMahon, Chicago Bears - SB XX

Phil Simms, New York Giants - SB XXI

Doug Williams, Washington Redskins - SB XXII

Joe Montana, San Francisco 49ers - SB XXIII

Joe Montana, San Francisco 49ers - SB XXIV

Jeff Hostetler, New York Giants - SB XXV

Mark Rypien, Washington Redskins - SB XXVI

Troy Aikman, Dallas Cowboys - SB XXVII

Troy Aikman, Dallas Cowboys - SB XXVIII

Steve Young, San Francisco 49ers - SB XXIX

Troy Aikman, Dallas Cowboys - SB XXX

Brett Favre, Green Bay Packers - SB XXXI

John Elway, Denver Broncos - SB XXXII

John Elway, Denver Broncos - SB XXXIII

Kurt Warner, St. Louis Rams - SB XXXIV

Trent Dilfer, Baltimore Ravens - SB XXXV

Tom Brady, New England Patriots - SB XXXVI

Brad Johnson, Tampa Bay Buccaneers - SB XXXVII

Tom Brady, New England Patriots - SB XXXVIII

Tom Brady, New England Patriots - SB XXXIX

Ben Roethlisberger, Pittsburgh Steelers - SB XL

Peyton Manning, Indianapolis Colts - SB XLI

Eli Manning, New York Giants - SB XLII

So out of the 42 Superbowls, statistically speaking 5 superbowl winning quarterbacks could be considered mediocre.

Len Dawson

Jim McMahon

Phil Simms

Trent Dilfer

Eli Manning.

Source: http://www.diehard101.com/phpfox/upload/us...inning-qb-ever/

Unitas was a mediocre QB by 1970, and Earl Morrall played most of that Super Bowl anyway, and he was also mediocre. Unitas was 3/9 88 yds 1 td and 3 ints. Morrall was 7/15 for 147yds and 1 int. Unitas got hurt early in what was the worst played Super Bowl in history. Hell, a player from the losing team (Chuck Howley) won the MVP. That's the only time in Super Bowl history that has happened. Having said that, I'm not just listing these two QBs because of this one game, both were mediocre QBs at that time in pro-football history.

Morrall played extremely well that year in limited duty. And he was lights out two years later, winning an MVP. He wasn't mediocre then, and (as you implied) was quite a bit above mediocre for his career.

Morrall threw for 755 yds and 9 tds and 4 ints in the 1969 season. In the Dolphins undefeated season where he played a lot, he threw for 1310 yds 11 tds and 7 ints. Where did he play lights out after or during Super Bowl V or the 1969 season? His best year was in 1968 where he threw for 2909 yds 26 tds and 17 ints.Edited to add - Where you say he was above mediocre for his career, 51.3% passer with 161 tds and 148 ints. Hardly above mediocre. He managed the games well in that 1972 season (Griese played in SB), but even for that time his play wasn't much better than mediocre. The same could be said for Trent Dilfer in his SB season.

I don't think you have much grasp of what the NFL was like in the '60s and '70s. He threw for more TDs than INTs. That's saying something right there. Morall's numbers in 1972 were very good. And they were quite a bit better than those of his HOF teammate. His big year was '68, yes, but he had impressive years in '63, '72, '70 and '65 as well. You have to compare him to his contemporaries.

I'm 49 yrs old and I know more about what the NFL was like in the 60s and 70s than most people. Yes, it was a different era and you can't compare the high scoring and passing game of today with those during Morrall's time, but saying "Morrall's numbers in 1972 were very good", is just wrong. How is 1300 yds 11 tds and 7 ints "very good"? He managed the games and ran the ball and the Dolphins played great defense with the "No Name" defense. I will admit that his mediocre was better than a lot of mediocre QBs

 

[Jeff Haseley]

My thoughts

Bart Starr, Green Bay Packers - SB I

Bart Starr, Green Bay Packers - SB II

Joe Namath, New York Jets - SBIII

Len Dawson, Kansas City Chiefs - SB IV

Johnny Unitas, Baltimore Colts - SB V

Roger Staubach, Dallas Cowboys - SB VI

Bob Griese, Miami Dolphins - SB VII

Bob Griese, Miami Dolphins - SB VIII

Terry Bradshaw, Pittsburgh Steelers - SB IX

Terry Bradshaw, Pittsburgh Steelers - SB X

Ken Stabler, Oakland Raiders - SB XI

Roger Staubach, Dallas Cowboys - SB XII

Terry Bradshaw, Pittsburgh Steelers - SB XIII

Terry Bradshaw, Pittsburgh Steelers - SB XIV

Jim Plunkett, Oakland Raiders - SB XV

Joe Montana, San Francisco 49ers - SB XVI

Joe Theismann, Washington Redskins - SB XVII

Jim Plunkett, Los Angeles Raiders - SB XVIII

Joe Montana, San Francisco 49ers - SB XIX

Jim McMahon, Chicago Bears - SB XX

Phil Simms, New York Giants - SB XXI

Doug Williams, Washington Redskins - SB XXII

Joe Montana, San Francisco 49ers - SB XXIII

Joe Montana, San Francisco 49ers - SB XXIV

Jeff Hostetler, New York Giants - SB XXV - Handed the ball off and racked up some 41 mins of TOP. He may have won, but he didn't win it

Mark Rypien, Washington Redskins - SB XXVI Complete and well rounded team. Rypien was in the right place at the right time

Troy Aikman, Dallas Cowboys - SB XXVII

Troy Aikman, Dallas Cowboys - SB XXVIII

Steve Young, San Francisco 49ers - SB XXIX

Troy Aikman, Dallas Cowboys - SB XXX

Brett Favre, Green Bay Packers - SB XXXI

John Elway, Denver Broncos - SB XXXII

John Elway, Denver Broncos - SB XXXIII

Kurt Warner, St. Louis Rams - SB XXXIV

Trent Dilfer, Baltimore Ravens - SB XXXV One of the better football minds in the NFL. Dilfer could be the next great commentator if he goes that route

Tom Brady, New England Patriots - SB XXXVI

Brad Johnson, Tampa Bay Buccaneers - SB XXXVII Meh. Johnson was a veteran QB with a strong defense

Tom Brady, New England Patriots - SB XXXVIII

Tom Brady, New England Patriots - SB XXXIX

Ben Roethlisberger, Pittsburgh Steelers - SB XL

Peyton Manning, Indianapolis Colts - SB XLI

Eli Manning, New York Giants - SB XLII

 

[BigSteelThrill]

Big Ben was average his SB year...

Not really.He just had a very low amount of attempts. When he did throw, it was exceptional.

 

[Chase Stuart]

I'm 49 yrs old and I know more about what the NFL was like in the 60s and 70s than most people. Yes, it was a different era and you can't compare the high scoring and passing game of today with those during Morrall's time, but saying "Morrall's numbers in 1972 were very good", is just wrong. How is 1300 yds 11 tds and 7 ints "very good"? He managed the games and ran the ball and the Dolphins played great defense with the "No Name" defense. I will admit that his mediocre was better than a lot of mediocre QBs

Managing a game is pretty important. And Griese showed that not any QB -- not even a HOF QB -- could easily put up good numbers on that team. He averaged over 9 yards per pass attempt. Sure, having a great running game helps, but 9 Y/A is still 9 Y/A. Sure, he didn't have a ton of attempts, but he had a very nice year in an era when not many QBs had very nice years. He had a 91 QBR when the league average was 63.5.

 

[NorrisB]

Big Ben was average his SB year...

 

[Chase Stuart]

Big Ben was average his SB year...

Not really.He just had a very low amount of attempts. When he did throw, it was exceptional.

 

[NorrisB]

Big Ben was average his SB year...

Not really.He just had a very low amount of attempts. When he did throw, it was exceptional.

He still has very few attempts. 28th in att/gm

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

I'm 49 yrs old and I know more about what the NFL was like in the 60s and 70s than most people. Yes, it was a different era and you can't compare the high scoring and passing game of today with those during Morrall's time, but saying "Morrall's numbers in 1972 were very good", is just wrong. How is 1300 yds 11 tds and 7 ints "very good"? He managed the games and ran the ball and the Dolphins played great defense with the "No Name" defense. I will admit that his mediocre was better than a lot of mediocre QBs

Managing a game is pretty important. And Griese showed that not any QB -- not even a HOF QB -- could easily put up good numbers on that team. He averaged over 9 yards per pass attempt. Sure, having a great running game helps, but 9 Y/A is still 9 Y/A. Sure, he didn't have a ton of attempts, but he had a very nice year in an era when not many QBs had very nice years. He had a 91 QBR when the league average was 63.5.

His career QB rating is 74.1. What is the league's QB rating avg for the 20 years from 1956 - 1976?

 

[BigSteelThrill]

Big Ben was average his SB year...

Not really.He just had a very low amount of attempts. When he did throw, it was exceptional.

He still has very few attempts. 28th in att/gm

And he is one of the absolute best when ever he throws the ball, including the year he won the super bowl. The Steelers just does not throw it a lot. That year (SB-XL) whenever he threw the ball...

1- He would gain more yardage then anyone else the league. #1 in ypa. #1 in ypc.

2- He would throw a TD more often then anyone else in the league. #1 in TD%.

3- He was top 3 in QB rating overall.

4- At the completion of that season he was 27-4 as a career starter with a SB win. (according to PFR)

He simply did not throw a lot and started only 12 games in '05. He was never anything close to average when he dropped back to pass.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2005/leaders.htm

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/play...tBe00_games.htm

 

[Andy Herron]

I'm 49 yrs old and I know more about what the NFL was like in the 60s and 70s than most people. Yes, it was a different era and you can't compare the high scoring and passing game of today with those during Morrall's time, but saying "Morrall's numbers in 1972 were very good", is just wrong. How is 1300 yds 11 tds and 7 ints "very good"? He managed the games and ran the ball and the Dolphins played great defense with the "No Name" defense. I will admit that his mediocre was better than a lot of mediocre QBs

Managing a game is pretty important. And Griese showed that not any QB -- not even a HOF QB -- could easily put up good numbers on that team. He averaged over 9 yards per pass attempt. Sure, having a great running game helps, but 9 Y/A is still 9 Y/A. Sure, he didn't have a ton of attempts, but he had a very nice year in an era when not many QBs had very nice years. He had a 91 QBR when the league average was 63.5.

His career QB rating is 74.1. What is the league's QB rating avg for the 20 years from 1956 - 1976?

Chase, you can correct me if I'm wrong, I'm going by memory.When Roger Staubach retired in 1979, his career QB rating at the time was the highest career rating in history. 83.4

(Staubach recorded the highest passer rating in the NFL in 4 different seasons (1971, 1973, 1978, 1979), and led the league with 23 touchdown passes in 1973.)

Stunning, and certainly sheds light on the difference in eras.

ETA: Looked it up myself to confirm.

 

[omahabrad]

Big Ben was average his SB year...

Wasn't his QB rating something like 27 in the Super Bowl? I think that's below mediocre.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

To win a SB you need one of two things, but both would really help

1 - an elite QB

2 - an elite Defense

this past Giants team is a bit of an anomaly, their Dline is great though, the D as a whole isnt on the TB Balt or 85 bears level.

 

[renesauz]

In answer to the OP's original question....YES, you can, and it's happened at least 5 times, arguably ten times....but it isn't easy, and it takes a top ranked defense to do it.

 

[Ripleys]

Gibbs did it 3 times.

 

[T Bell]

I think you're vastly overrating a lot of QB's on that list when you're not calling them mediocre. Using just the Redskins' Super Bowl winning QB's, Doug Williams was definitely a mediocre QB, and Theismann and Rypien were little better simply by virtue of being at the peaks of their careers when they won.

Jim Plunkett was the Robert Horry of football, who came alive twice during Super Bowl runs, but his career was nothing of note other than those two postseasons. Ditto Jeff Hostetler. Dilfer obviously. I'd also add Brad Johnson to that list.

You can also argue that, while certainly a product of the era that they played in, Bart Starr and Bob Griese benefitted more from the teams they played on than from anything that they themselves contributed to the championships they won.

 

[Andy Herron]

I think you're vastly overrating a lot of QB's on that list when you're not calling them mediocre. Using just the Redskins' Super Bowl winning QB's, Doug Williams was definitely a mediocre QB, and Theismann and Rypien were little better simply by virtue of being at the peaks of their careers when they won.

Jim Plunkett was the Robert Horry of football, who came alive twice during Super Bowl runs, but his career was nothing of note other than those two postseasons. Ditto Jeff Hostetler. Dilfer obviously. I'd also add Brad Johnson to that list.

You can also argue that, while certainly a product of the era that they played in, Bart Starr and Bob Griese benefitted more from the teams they played on than from anything that they themselves contributed to the championships they won.

 

[renesauz]

I think you're vastly overrating a lot of QB's on that list when you're not calling them mediocre. Using just the Redskins' Super Bowl winning QB's, Doug Williams was definitely a mediocre QB, and Theismann and Rypien were little better simply by virtue of being at the peaks of their careers when they won.

Jim Plunkett was the Robert Horry of football, who came alive twice during Super Bowl runs, but his career was nothing of note other than those two postseasons. Ditto Jeff Hostetler. Dilfer obviously. I'd also add Brad Johnson to that list.

You can also argue that, while certainly a product of the era that they played in, Bart Starr and Bob Griese benefitted more from the teams they played on than from anything that they themselves contributed to the championships they won.

 

[SugarNuts]

Chase you might know the answer to this....Is it true a quarterback that led the league in passing yards has never won the Superbowl?

Dan Marino?

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Chase you might know the answer to this....Is it true a quarterback that led the league in passing yards has never won the Superbowl?

Dan Marino?

I must have missed his Superbowl win.

 

[Fear & Loathing]

Big Ben was average his SB year...

Not really.He just had a very low amount of attempts. When he did throw, it was exceptional.

He still has very few attempts. 28th in att/gm

And he is one of the absolute best when ever he throws the ball, including the year he won the super bowl. The Steelers just does not throw it a lot. That year (SB-XL) whenever he threw the ball...

1- He would gain more yardage then anyone else the league. #1 in ypa. #1 in ypc.

2- He would throw a TD more often then anyone else in the league. #1 in TD%.

3- He was top 3 in QB rating overall.

4- At the completion of that season he was 27-4 as a career starter with a SB win. (according to PFR)

He simply did not throw a lot and started only 12 games in '05. He was never anything close to average when he dropped back to pass.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2005/leaders.htm

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/play...tBe00_games.htm

There isn't even an argument to be made here against Big Ben.

 

[Bracie Smathers]

Let's look back at all the superbowl winning quarterbacks.

Bart Starr, Green Bay Packers - SB I

Bart Starr, Green Bay Packers - SB II

Joe Namath, New York Jets - SBIII

Len Dawson, Kansas City Chiefs - SB IV

Johnny Unitas, Baltimore Colts - SB V

Roger Staubach, Dallas Cowboys - SB VI

Bob Griese, Miami Dolphins - SB VII

Bob Griese, Miami Dolphins - SB VIII

Terry Bradshaw, Pittsburgh Steelers - SB IX

Terry Bradshaw, Pittsburgh Steelers - SB X

Ken Stabler, Oakland Raiders - SB XI

Roger Staubach, Dallas Cowboys - SB XII

Terry Bradshaw, Pittsburgh Steelers - SB XIII

Terry Bradshaw, Pittsburgh Steelers - SB XIV

Jim Plunkett, Oakland Raiders - SB XV

Joe Montana, San Francisco 49ers - SB XVI

Joe Theismann, Washington Redskins - SB XVII

Jim Plunkett, Los Angeles Raiders - SB XVIII

Joe Montana, San Francisco 49ers - SB XIX

Jim McMahon, Chicago Bears - SB XX

Phil Simms, New York Giants - SB XXI

Doug Williams, Washington Redskins - SB XXII

Joe Montana, San Francisco 49ers - SB XXIII

Joe Montana, San Francisco 49ers - SB XXIV

Jeff Hostetler, New York Giants - SB XXV

Mark Rypien, Washington Redskins - SB XXVI

Troy Aikman, Dallas Cowboys - SB XXVII

Troy Aikman, Dallas Cowboys - SB XXVIII

Steve Young, San Francisco 49ers - SB XXIX

Troy Aikman, Dallas Cowboys - SB XXX

Brett Favre, Green Bay Packers - SB XXXI

John Elway, Denver Broncos - SB XXXII

John Elway, Denver Broncos - SB XXXIII

Kurt Warner, St. Louis Rams - SB XXXIV

Trent Dilfer, Baltimore Ravens - SB XXXV

Tom Brady, New England Patriots - SB XXXVI

Brad Johnson, Tampa Bay Buccaneers - SB XXXVII

Tom Brady, New England Patriots - SB XXXVIII

Tom Brady, New England Patriots - SB XXXIX

Ben Roethlisberger, Pittsburgh Steelers - SB XL

Peyton Manning, Indianapolis Colts - SB XLI

Eli Manning, New York Giants - SB XLII

So out of the 42 Superbowls, statistically speaking 5 superbowl winning quarterbacks could be considered mediocre.

Len Dawson

Jim McMahon

Phil Simms

Trent Dilfer

Eli Manning.

Source: http://www.diehard101.com/phpfox/upload/us...inning-qb-ever/

Mediocre?In 1987 Hall the MEDIOCRE Len Dawson became a Hall of Fame inductee.

http://www.profootballhof.com/hof/member.jsp?player_id=53

... . .Led 1962 Texans, 1966, 1969 Chiefs to AFL titles. . .AFL Player of Year, 1962. . . Won four AFL passing crowns. . . MVP, Super Bowl IV. . . Selected to six AFL All-Star games, 1972 Pro Bowl. . .Pin-point passer, astute field general. . . Career passing stats: 28,711 yards, 239 touchdowns, 82.6 rating. . .Rushed for 1,293 yards, 9 TDs. .

 

[H.K.]

Big Ben was average his SB year...

Wasn't his QB rating something like 27 in the Super Bowl? I think that's below mediocre.

It is, but Ben had a higher YPA than Hasselbeck, and while Hass had a TD pass, Ben had a TD run. It is common around here for people to be critical of SB game winning QB's in a vacuum for this discussion. Consider the performances of their counterparts in those Super Bowls, too. People can't be critical of Dilfer for earning a ring because his 1 TD pass was far better than Collins' zero TD's and four picks.People can't be critical of Hostetler for earning a ring when comparing his 93 rating with a TD pass to Kelly's 81 rating and 0 TD passes.

 

[T Bell]

Big Ben was average his SB year...

Wasn't his QB rating something like 27 in the Super Bowl? I think that's below mediocre.

It is, but Ben had a higher YPA than Hasselbeck, and while Hass had a TD pass, Ben had a TD run. It is common around here for people to be critical of SB game winning QB's in a vacuum for this discussion. Consider the performances of their counterparts in those Super Bowls, too. People can't be critical of Dilfer for earning a ring because his 1 TD pass was far better than Collins' zero TD's and four picks.People can't be critical of Hostetler for earning a ring when comparing his 93 rating with a TD pass to Kelly's 81 rating and 0 TD passes.

Don't be ridiculous. I can be critical, especially when the comparison to the opposing QB is heavily influenced by what the QB's defense was doing. Hostetler (who I always liked and rooted for BTW) was definitely mediocre. Comparing him to Kelly, who was being abused by an excellent Giants defense is silly. As for Roethlisberger, he's definitely now a better QB than he was at the time, but I also agree that he was better than mediocre in all but the Super Bowl game. As with Hostetler, comparing Ben to Hasselbeck in that game really doesn't apply - the QB play by both guys was substandard in that game.

 

[Chase Stuart]

I think you're vastly overrating a lot of QB's on that list when you're not calling them mediocre. Using just the Redskins' Super Bowl winning QB's, Doug Williams was definitely a mediocre QB, and Theismann and Rypien were little better simply by virtue of being at the peaks of their careers when they won.

Jim Plunkett was the Robert Horry of football, who came alive twice during Super Bowl runs, but his career was nothing of note other than those two postseasons. Ditto Jeff Hostetler. Dilfer obviously. I'd also add Brad Johnson to that list.

You can also argue that, while certainly a product of the era that they played in, Bart Starr and Bob Griese benefitted more from the teams they played on than from anything that they themselves contributed to the championships they won.

You had me right until the end.

 

[H.K.]

Big Ben was average his SB year...

Wasn't his QB rating something like 27 in the Super Bowl? I think that's below mediocre.

It is, but Ben had a higher YPA than Hasselbeck, and while Hass had a TD pass, Ben had a TD run. It is common around here for people to be critical of SB game winning QB's in a vacuum for this discussion. Consider the performances of their counterparts in those Super Bowls, too.

People can't be critical of Dilfer for earning a ring because his 1 TD pass was far better than Collins' zero TD's and four picks.

People can't be critical of Hostetler for earning a ring when comparing his 93 rating with a TD pass to Kelly's 81 rating and 0 TD passes.

Don't be ridiculous. I can be critical, especially when the comparison to the opposing QB is heavily influenced by what the QB's defense was doing. Hostetler (who I always liked and rooted for BTW) was definitely mediocre. Comparing him to Kelly, who was being abused by an excellent Giants defense is silly. As for Roethlisberger, he's definitely now a better QB than he was at the time, but I also agree that he was better than mediocre in all but the Super Bowl game. As with Hostetler, comparing Ben to Hasselbeck in that game really doesn't apply - the QB play by both guys was substandard in that game.

You just hung yourself.

 

[The Man With No Name]

Whoever mentioned Len Dawson as mediocre

He was a lot better than Joe Namath, who no one has mentioned.

 

[bcr8f]

I think you're vastly overrating a lot of QB's on that list when you're not calling them mediocre. Using just the Redskins' Super Bowl winning QB's, Doug Williams was definitely a mediocre QB, and Theismann and Rypien were little better simply by virtue of being at the peaks of their careers when they won.

Jim Plunkett was the Robert Horry of football, who came alive twice during Super Bowl runs, but his career was nothing of note other than those two postseasons. Ditto Jeff Hostetler. Dilfer obviously. I'd also add Brad Johnson to that list.

You can also argue that, while certainly a product of the era that they played in, Bart Starr and Bob Griese benefitted more from the teams they played on than from anything that they themselves contributed to the championships they won.

You had me right until the end.

No kidding.Starr(twice), Namath and Dawson were all SB MVP's. So was Plunkett.

 

[Brock Middlebrook]

I think you're vastly overrating a lot of QB's on that list when you're not calling them mediocre. Using just the Redskins' Super Bowl winning QB's, Doug Williams was definitely a mediocre QB, and Theismann and Rypien were little better simply by virtue of being at the peaks of their careers when they won.

Jim Plunkett was the Robert Horry of football, who came alive twice during Super Bowl runs, but his career was nothing of note other than those two postseasons. Ditto Jeff Hostetler. Dilfer obviously. I'd also add Brad Johnson to that list.

You can also argue that, while certainly a product of the era that they played in, Bart Starr and Bob Griese benefitted more from the teams they played on than from anything that they themselves contributed to the championships they won.

 

[Brock Middlebrook]

Waiting for the "Can you win a Superbowl with a mediocre D?" thread