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Cards set to sign Smoltz (1 Viewer)

MrPhoenix

Ron Paul Soldier
Can't be worse than Todd Wellemeyer.....

Cards are set to add Smoltz

BY JOE STRAUSS

ST. LOUIS POST-DISPATCH

Wednesday, Aug. 19 2009

LOS ANGELES — Free agent pitcher John Smoltz will accept the Cardinals' offer

to join the club as its fifth starter after clearing waivers at noon (St. Louis

time) today, barring an unforeseen waiver claim, multiple sources said Tuesday.

Smoltz, the only pitcher in major-league history to achieve both 200 wins and

150 saves, becomes eligible to join his new club after clearing release

waivers. The Boston Red Sox designated the former NL Cy Young Award winner for

assignment Aug. 7 before placing him on waivers Monday. Teams have 48 hours to

place a claim in the unlikely event they are willing to assume the balance of

Smoltz's $5.5 million contract.

The Cardinals would be liable for only a pro-rated share of the major-league

minimum, about $100,000; the Red Sox remain responsible for the balance.

In return, the Cardinals gain one of his generation's most experienced

postseason arms, at least a temporary fill for their unsettled fifth starter

role, and perhaps ultimately a valuable option to set up closer Ryan Franklin.

Word of the pending move floated to the home clubhouse at Dodger Stadium on

Tuesday, as Los Angeles had also expressed interest in Smoltz.

The Dodgers are believed more likely to acquire another released veteran,

Vicente Padilla.

Motivated by the NL Central leaders' accelerating push, Smoltz is "leaning

heavily" toward joining the Cardinals, according to a source familiar with his

thinking.

Cardinals general manager John Mozeliak deferred comment until today; however,

a club source confirmed the assumption of a pending announcement today.

Two of Smoltz's ex-Atlanta Brave teammates — Cardinals third baseman Mark

DeRosa and starting pitcher Adam Wainwright — participated in an organizational

lobbying effort since the Red Sox made clear they no longer saw a fit for

Smoltz in the American League.

Smoltz, 42, was released after compiling a 2-5 record and 8.32 ERA. He is 14

months removed from shoulder surgery that ended his probable Hall of Fame

career with the Atlanta Braves.

The Red Sox signed him to a deal stuffed with late-season appearance incentives

in anticipation of him providing a second-half jolt.

Smoltz was activated June 25 but consistently labored in eight appearances. He

rejected the Red Sox's offer of a temporary minor-league assignment to assist

his transition to relief.

While Smoltz's strikeout-walk ratio has not been at issue, his command within

the strike zone has vexed him. Opponents tagged him for 59 hits, including

eight home runs, in 40 innings. This year's 1.70 baserunners per inning dwarfs

Smoltz's 1.176 career average.

Smoltz required elbow surgery before the 2000 season and returned in 2001 to

take over the Braves' closer role during the second half. Smoltz represented

one of the game's most dominant closers, saving 144 games from 2002-04. But the

role felt confining to him and Smoltz rejoined the Braves' rotation in 2005 and

tied for the league lead with 16 wins in 2006. The 1996 NL Cy Young Award

winner might have captured a second award had the Braves' porous bullpen not

dropped six saves behind him.

A rookie in 1988, Smoltz carries a 212-152 record and 154 saves in 716

appearances.

Smoltz expressed a preference to remain in a starting role, as he hopes to

extend his career into next season. According to sources familiar with

negotiations, the Cardinals acceded to Smoltz's request.

The Cardinals see an attractive and certainly cost-effective mix of experience,

potential and versatility as they separate themselves from the NL Central.

Smoltz remains the winningest postseason pitcher in the game's history — 15

wins in 40 appearances, including 27 starts.

A clubhouse consensus insists the set-up role represents the most glaring

leftover weakness following recent upgrades to the lineup.

The Cardinals also have groped for consistency from their No. 5 starter this

season largely because of Todd Wellemeyer's erratic mechanics.

Entering Tuesday night's start, fifth-starter candidates Wellemeyer, Brad

Thompson, P.J. Walters and Mitchell Boggs carried a combined 10-15 record and

5.45 ERA and had allowed 320 baserunners in 188 1/3 innings. Wellemeyer was a

13-game winner in 2008 but lost his starting role last month before landing on

the disabled list Aug. 11 with elbow inflammation.
At minimum, he could be a good ROOGY out of the pen. But, if he can be a 5th starter down the stretch, that'd be fantastic, because as that last paragraph shows, the Cards 5th starters this year have been absolute crud.
 
He is worth taking a chance on. Duncan might be the best pitching coach in the league, and if Smoltz has anything left, Duncan will get it out of him. And like you said, he is no worse than the number 5 starters they have had this year, so if he does stink, they don't have to use him come playoff time, and if he does pan out at all, he could be the good right-handed setup guy they need (since Motte has been terrible).

 
Wrigley said:
Ghost Rider said:
He's nothing more than a good late innings guy at this point.
That's what the Cardinals need right now. Heck, no team ever uses their number 5 starter in the playoffs as a starter, anyway.
I'm pretty sure this is a swipe at me and my Cubs.Ughhhh :goodposting:
Actually, it wasn't. I was just saying, unless an injury occurs, a team almost never has to use their number 5 starter in the rotation.
 
Having watched him struggle all year, good luck . . .But Lugo has been working out, so at least they hit on that one.
If the Sox have any more crap they'd like to discard - a lefty reliever, Youkilis, a barrel of beer, whatever - feel free to send the Cards' way, too. TIA.
 
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Having watched him struggle all year, good luck . . .But Lugo has been working out, so at least they hit on that one.
He didnt pitch nearly as badly as the results indicate. He had a great K/BB rate and his FIP is something like 4.93. The bad luck, poor Sox defense and the bandbox that is Fenway did him no favors - check out his BABIP and strand rate. Over time his ERA would have stabilized at a much lower level. 40 IP is an extremely small sample size and no reason to write the guy off as long as he's able to pitch through whatever pain he has.
 
Having watched him struggle all year, good luck . . .But Lugo has been working out, so at least they hit on that one.
He didnt pitch nearly as badly as the results indicate. He had a great K/BB rate and his FIP is something like 4.93. The bad luck, poor Sox defense and the bandbox that is Fenway did him no favors - check out his BABIP and strand rate. Over time his ERA would have stabilized at a much lower level. 40 IP is an extremely small sample size and no reason to write the guy off as long as he's able to pitch through whatever pain he has.
You're kidding, right?He gave up 40 hits in 17.2 innings against lefties. F-O-R-T-Y. His BAA vs. lefties was .444.He only gave up 1 HR in Fenway Park, so there is no bandbox there. Oh, and he allowed 0 unearned runs. I understand that the Sox defense has been spotty this year, but I do not remember him being victimized by poor fielding.The more he pitched (calender wise), the WORSE his numbers got, not better.His first 4 starts he had a 5.40 ERA, 1.40 WHIP, and .289 BAA. His last 4 starts, 11.25 ERA, 2.00 WHIP, .393 BAA. He gave up 5 or more runs in 6 of his 8 starts.He wasn't even close to the old Smoltz, and the Sox couldn't afford to keep losing and taxing the bullpen.
 
Having watched him struggle all year, good luck . . .But Lugo has been working out, so at least they hit on that one.
He didnt pitch nearly as badly as the results indicate. He had a great K/BB rate and his FIP is something like 4.93. The bad luck, poor Sox defense and the bandbox that is Fenway did him no favors - check out his BABIP and strand rate. Over time his ERA would have stabilized at a much lower level. 40 IP is an extremely small sample size and no reason to write the guy off as long as he's able to pitch through whatever pain he has.
You're kidding, right?He gave up 40 hits in 17.2 innings against lefties. F-O-R-T-Y. His BAA vs. lefties was .444.He only gave up 1 HR in Fenway Park, so there is no bandbox there. Oh, and he allowed 0 unearned runs. I understand that the Sox defense has been spotty this year, but I do not remember him being victimized by poor fielding.The more he pitched (calender wise), the WORSE his numbers got, not better.His first 4 starts he had a 5.40 ERA, 1.40 WHIP, and .289 BAA. His last 4 starts, 11.25 ERA, 2.00 WHIP, .393 BAA. He gave up 5 or more runs in 6 of his 8 starts.He wasn't even close to the old Smoltz, and the Sox couldn't afford to keep losing and taxing the bullpen.
7.43 K/92.03 BB/93.67 K/BBThats 0.55 K/9 short of his career average, and the other two are better than his career average.His fly ball percentage was up and his ground ball percentage was down leading to him not being nearly as much of a groundball pitcher as he's been in the past, but still a slight groundballer. Combine that with an unlucky and unsustainable 14.8% HR/FB rate and he's got a career high 1.80 HR/9 that was not going to continue.The Red Sox defense is atrocious this year, and it has little to do with errors. As of 8/7 their aggregate UZR was -29.8 runs. In contrast, the Rays had 38.8 runs above average on defense. It is that atrocious defense that led to an incredibly high BABIP of .390 despite having a line drive rate inline with career norms. To top everything off, his strand rate was very low at only 56.9%He wasnt lights out or anything, but given the underlying statistics of his starts, he should have expected an ERA closer to 5 than 8.
 
Having watched him struggle all year, good luck . . .But Lugo has been working out, so at least they hit on that one.
He didnt pitch nearly as badly as the results indicate. He had a great K/BB rate and his FIP is something like 4.93. The bad luck, poor Sox defense and the bandbox that is Fenway did him no favors - check out his BABIP and strand rate. Over time his ERA would have stabilized at a much lower level. 40 IP is an extremely small sample size and no reason to write the guy off as long as he's able to pitch through whatever pain he has.
He can't get lefties out period, I would say that is a big problem.
 
Having watched him struggle all year, good luck . . .But Lugo has been working out, so at least they hit on that one.
He didnt pitch nearly as badly as the results indicate. He had a great K/BB rate and his FIP is something like 4.93. The bad luck, poor Sox defense and the bandbox that is Fenway did him no favors - check out his BABIP and strand rate. Over time his ERA would have stabilized at a much lower level. 40 IP is an extremely small sample size and no reason to write the guy off as long as he's able to pitch through whatever pain he has.
He can't get lefties out period, I would say that is a big problem.
.030 handedness split is about average.060 is really pronouncedSmoltz' is currently .100Do you really think that's going to continue over a large sample size?
 
Guess Smoltzy doesn't like Boston
Not really. He was having a bad run over a very small sample size, despite peripherals that were very strong, and then he ran into the Yankees made him look bad. But the Yankees make a lot of pitchers look bad.Usually Boston's front office knows better, pretty startling that they'd make such an obvious misstep. They couldn't put him the pen for a couple weeks?
 
Thanks for straightening me out. I was hoping he just wanted to screw the Sox.

Watch out for the Cahds if he holds it together, which is unlikely.

 
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Thanks for straightening me out. I was hoping he just wanted to screw the Sox.Watch out for the Cahds if he holds it together, which is unlikely.
Carpenter/Wainwright/Pineiro is a pretty tough 1-2-3. If he can make a couple solid starts here and there as the #4 guy, I agree, they could be very formidable.Lugo killing the ball too.
 
I don't know who Pineiro sold his soul to this year, but I'm not buying it.
Pinero has the best groundball/flyball rate in the majors and he's not walking anyone. Would be nice if he would up the Ks, but the underlying numbers support the results.
 
Very impressed with what I saw out of Smoltz today. I know it's just his first start, but he could be to the Cards what Grover Cleveland Alexander was to the Cards in 1926.

The Cubs got rid of Alexander mid-season for a bag of peanuts and helped the Cards clinch the World Series that year over the Yankees.

 
Very good start, and I do expect him to be successful there. And I do think the Sox panicked. That said, it was the Padres. Let's all put our ##### back in our pants.

Except you Zilla.

 
That said, it was the Padres.
Well, he got buttraped by worse squads with the Sox. I watched today and it looks like he might have gotten something back in line. This wasn't a fluky showing, he was mowing em down like shuke and a cheese curd.But yeah I won't be shocked if he gives up 20 in his next start. As for Pineiro, we'll see. I've been waiting for the other shoe to drop all year. I do believe Satan is involved. My guess is he flakes in the playoffs.
 
JZilla said:
I don't know who Pineiro sold his soul to this year, but I'm not buying it.
You don't have to buy it. It is what it is.
shut it down said:
Duncan's a really good coach.
:lmao: Duncan has gotten a lot over the years out of pitchers who were, shall we say, less-than-stellar before they came to St. Louis, so you gotta think that if a future Hall of Famer like John Smoltz has anything left, Duncan will get it out of him. :)
 
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Just saw a headline that said he was tipping his pitches in Boston.
The Cardinals believe John Smoltz was tipping his pitches while a member of the Red Sox."It's pretty clear he was tipping his pitches," Cardinals manager Tony La Russa said after Smoltz tossed five scoreless innings and struck out nine Padres to record the win on Sunday. Said Smoltz: "I very well could have been. If you tip your pitches, it's a lot easier to hit in this league." It's also a lot easier to pitch in the league when you go from the AL East to the NL Central. Or when you draw the Padres in your return to the National League. Regardless, Smoltz's fantasy prognosis improved dramatically when he moved west. He should be owned in all NL-only leagues and should be on mixed leaguer's radars.
 
would be pretty funny if the red sox (who everyone knows are smarter than every other team) gave up on a guy without recognizing that he was tipping.

 

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