care to help settle a league issue? (1 Viewer)

[steelerfan1]

hi all,

we have a league with 2 confrences.

each conference can have an aaron rodgers, AP, etc and at the end of the year the 2 conference winners play each other for the championship.

money is involved.

one side decided to go back to a serpentine lastyear while the other kept the 3RR.

some owners have concerns where this is not fair as everyone should be on the the same page and draft the same.

others think it is too late and too close to the draft to change now and let it ride and settle it next year.

what say you?

thanks for your input.

 

[Captain Hook]

League should be able to vote any time before the draft to change the draft order (assuming there is/was no rule that allowed one conference to change something like that which obviously as this points out they should not be able to do without FULL league approval)

 

[steelerfan1]

League should be able to vote any time before the draft to change the draft order (assuming there is/was no rule that allowed one conference to change something like that which obviously as this points out they should not be able to do without FULL league approval)

thanks ch, but what is your thought on the serp vs 3rr. feel it fair for 1 side to have 1 way and 1 the other when they will be playing each other?

 

[DoubleG]

League should be able to vote any time before the draft to change the draft order (assuming there is/was no rule that allowed one conference to change something like that which obviously as this points out they should not be able to do without FULL league approval)

thanks ch, but what is your thought on the serp vs 3rr. feel it fair for 1 side to have 1 way and 1 the other when they will be playing each other?

No. IMHO, if the two conferences play each other, they should use the same drafting format - this holds true whether or not players are duplicated across conferences or not. This is football (different conferences) - not baseball (different league's...and actually in baseball, the two league's play by different rules, but still draft based on the same criteria)

 

[steelerfan1]

No. IMHO, if the two conferences play each other, they should use the same drafting format - this holds true whether or not players are duplicated across conferences or not. This is football (different conferences) - not baseball (different league's...and actually in baseball, the two league's play by different rules, but still draft based on the same criteria)

thanks for input dg.

 

[Captain Hook]

League should be able to vote any time before the draft to change the draft order (assuming there is/was no rule that allowed one conference to change something like that which obviously as this points out they should not be able to do without FULL league approval)

thanks ch, but what is your thought on the serp vs 3rr. feel it fair for 1 side to have 1 way and 1 the other when they will be playing each other?

No. IMHO, if the two conferences play each other, they should use the same drafting format - this holds true whether or not players are duplicated across conferences or not. This is football (different conferences) - not baseball (different league's...and actually in baseball, the two league's play by different rules, but still draft based on the same criteria)

I agree that everyone should be drafting in the same format....ONLY if the league has a rule that allowed one conference to change (which of course would be really stupid) the draft order would it be a concern and then the entire league should vote on it

 

[steelerfan1]

I agree that everyone should be drafting in the same format....ONLY if the league has a rule that allowed one conference to change (which of course would be really stupid) the draft order would it be a concern and then the entire league should vote on it

thanks again ch.

 

[Saint]

I agree. Keep it the same. Look at the big picture. Let's say the 3rr conference wins it all, then you have to deal with owners who will complain that it wasn't fair they couldn't draft that way. Ugly situation once the money is on the line. Keep it simple.

Either:

a) Put a league poll asking to vote whether or not it is acceptable for a conference to have a different style of drafting. For the record, I don't think it would pass.

b) Put a second poll out asking which way to draft if the first vote doesn't pass.

Problem solved. Some folks may not be happy, but they can't fault you. You kept it fair for the league, and frankly that's your job as commish. Keep it fair and objective.

 

[Liquid Tension]

League should be able to vote any time before the draft to change the draft order (assuming there is/was no rule that allowed one conference to change something like that which obviously as this points out they should not be able to do without FULL league approval)

thanks ch, but what is your thought on the serp vs 3rr. feel it fair for 1 side to have 1 way and 1 the other when they will be playing each other?

I think the key here is to let the league vote and not use "our" input. I usually have a vote that is more than just a majority to change a rule. So in a 12 man league, you need 8 votes to change the rule or a 3 or more positive vote so if there is an abstain 7 would work.My opinion is to keep the same.

 

[belljr]

do the 2 conf play each other during the regular season?

 

[steelerfan1]

I agree. Keep it the same. Look at the big picture. Let's say the 3rr conference wins it all, then you have to deal with owners who will complain that it wasn't fair they couldn't draft that way. Ugly situation once the money is on the line. Keep it simple.

Either:

a) Put a league poll asking to vote whether or not it is acceptable for a conference to have a different style of drafting. For the record, I don't think it would pass.

b) Put a second poll out asking which way to draft if the first vote doesn't pass.

Problem solved. Some folks may not be happy, but they can't fault you. You kept it fair for the league, and frankly that's your job as commish. Keep it fair and objective.

thanks saint and i agree of the headaches which is why we need to get it straight b4 the draft. thanks again.

 

[steelerfan1]

I think the key here is to let the league vote and not use "our" input. I usually have a vote that is more than just a majority to change a rule. So in a 12 man league, you need 8 votes to change the rule or a 3 or more positive vote so if there is an abstain 7 would work.My opinion is to keep the same.

thanks lt

 

[steelerfan1]

do the 2 conf play each other during the regular season?

yes bell 2x during the regular season.

 

[belljr]

do the 2 conf play each other during the regular season?

yes bell 2x during the regular season.

Ok then I think it should be the same. All though in the end it probably really won't matter.If they were "independent" conferences then I would be ok with different draft formats.

 

[steelerfan1]

do the 2 conf play each other during the regular season?

yes bell 2x during the regular season.

Ok then I think it should be the same. All though in the end it probably really won't matter.If they were "independent" conferences then I would be ok with different draft formats.

thanks bell

 

[supersecretid]

In theory not using 3RR gives an advantage to teams that pick early (that's the only reason 3RR was invented). So, if that's story is true, and the evidence is strong that it is, then the division that doesn't use a 3RR is putting their early-picking managers at an advantage over people in the other division.

The advantage is probably very small but it's a real one. While I like the idea of quirky differences between leagues, I don't think this is ultimately very fair.

Also, this all changes if there are keepers, etc in which the teams picking first also tend to be the worst teams. In that case the advantage could even swing the other direction.

 

[Couch Potato]

A league should have uniform rules -- all rules -- for all teams regardless of conference. I'd say that even if the conferences didn't play each other in the regular season, but the fact that they do makes this even more clear to me.

 

[steelerfan1]

In theory not using 3RR gives an advantage to teams that pick early (that's the only reason 3RR was invented). So, if that's story is true, and the evidence is strong that it is, then the division that doesn't use a 3RR is putting their early-picking managers at an advantage over people in the other division.The advantage is probably very small but it's a real one. While I like the idea of quirky differences between leagues, I don't think this is ultimately very fair.Also, this all changes if there are keepers, etc in which the teams picking first also tend to be the worst teams. In that case the advantage could even swing the other direction.

thanks for your input super

 

[steelerfan1]

A league should have uniform rules -- all rules -- for all teams regardless of conference. I'd say that even if the conferences didn't play each other in the regular season, but the fact that they do makes this even more clear to me.

thanks cp

 

[da_budman]

do the 2 conf play each other during the regular season?

yes bell 2x during the regular season.

Ok then I think it should be the same. All though in the end it probably really won't matter.If they were "independent" conferences then I would be ok with different draft formats.

Even if they didnt play each other, as long as the meet up in the playoffs any difference in the draft that could give an advantage to one team or another besides luck of the draw and drafting /evaluation skills , should be prohibited . One half of the league wanted 3rd round reversal..... but what if they got together and decided they wanted to do a straight draft... whowever gets the top draft pick always drafts first like the nfl does it. NOW we are talking about a much larger difference and that team that gets the first draft pick has a huge advantage over the other half of the league. Keep it simple commish, both halves of the league draft the same.