Careers that ended too soon (1 Viewer)

[Ballstein]

kijana carter

 

[Righetti]

Barry Sanders

 

[sharptongued1]

I wouldn't say playing 162 games of professional baseball left him, "completely fresh."

Compared to professional football it did.

Yeah, because grinding it out over 162 games doesn't fatigue you nearly as much as training camp and a month's worth of games...

 

[sharptongued1]

Bo Jackson never played a full NFL season because he split time playing for the Kansas City Royals in MLB. Bo also split carries while with the Raiders with some guy named Marcus Allen. Bo would get like 12 carries per game. LT2 would get 20+.

Yeah, but Bo also got to come into the NFL season completely fresh while everyone else in the league had already played through training camp, preseason and nearly half of the regular season. I loved watching Bo - but his status has grown to mythical proportions. He was injured in college and didn't last long in the pros. If Jamaal Charles never makes it back are we going to anoint him as "would've been the GOAT". His stats are even more impressive than Bo's.

I wouldn't say playing 162 games of professional baseball left him, "completely fresh."

Yeah, he must've been exhausted from jogging in and out of the dugout 9 times a game, with an occasional 90 ft sprint.

As opposed to being involved in 20-25 offensive plays a week (maybe) that lasts a combined what, five minutes max?

 

[Shane Falco]

I wouldn't say playing 162 games of professional baseball left him, "completely fresh."

Compared to professional football it did.

Yeah, because grinding it out over 162 games doesn't fatigue you nearly as much as training camp and a month's worth of games...

Bo Jackson never played a full NFL season because he split time playing for the Kansas City Royals in MLB. Bo also split carries while with the Raiders with some guy named Marcus Allen. Bo would get like 12 carries per game. LT2 would get 20+.

Yeah, but Bo also got to come into the NFL season completely fresh while everyone else in the league had already played through training camp, preseason and nearly half of the regular season. I loved watching Bo - but his status has grown to mythical proportions. He was injured in college and didn't last long in the pros. If Jamaal Charles never makes it back are we going to anoint him as "would've been the GOAT". His stats are even more impressive than Bo's.

I wouldn't say playing 162 games of professional baseball left him, "completely fresh."

Yeah, he must've been exhausted from jogging in and out of the dugout 9 times a game, with an occasional 90 ft sprint.

As opposed to being involved in 20-25 offensive plays a week (maybe) that lasts a combined what, five minutes max?

here you go

 

[sn0mm1s]

I wouldn't say playing 162 games of professional baseball left him, "completely fresh."

Compared to professional football it did.

Yeah, because grinding it out over 162 games doesn't fatigue you nearly as much as training camp and a month's worth of games...

LOL - it doesn't even come close. Did you ever stop to wonder why players resist a longer preseason and regular season? Why they don't want to play in preseason games? Why they treat the probowl like a joke? Why a HOF career might be a whole 10 seasons - less games than a single season of baseball? Why retired players are clamoring for pensions and medical treatment? Why teams sit their stars the final week or two of the regular season? Why Bo didn't get his career ended on the diamond - but after only 38 games of football?Let me give you a hint - football is much rougher on the body.Number of non QB/K that have played past 40 - 18Number of non Pitchers that have played past 40 - 357

 

[sharptongued1]

I wouldn't say playing 162 games of professional baseball left him, "completely fresh."

Compared to professional football it did.

Yeah, because grinding it out over 162 games doesn't fatigue you nearly as much as training camp and a month's worth of games...

LOL - it doesn't even come close. Did you ever stop to wonder why players resist a longer preseason and regular season? Why they don't want to play in preseason games? Why they treat the probowl like a joke? Why a HOF career might be a whole 10 seasons - less games than a single season of baseball? Why retired players are clamoring for pensions and medical treatment? Why teams sit their stars the final week or two of the regular season? Why Bo didn't get his career ended on the diamond - but after only 38 games of football?Let me give you a hint - football is much rougher on the body.Number of non QB/K that have played past 40 - 18Number of non Pitchers that have played past 40 - 357

You might have a point if you're comparing season against season. But in the case of Bo Jackson, we're not. We're comparing a 162 game season (not including spring training) to pre-season and a month's worth of regular season games. It's no contest which has a greater impact on the body.

 

[sn0mm1s]

Number of non QB/K that have played past 40 - 18Number of non Pitchers that have played past 40 - 357

You might have a point if you're comparing season against season. But in the case of Bo Jackson, we're not. We're comparing a 162 game season (not including spring training) to pre-season and a month's worth of regular season games. It's no contest which has a greater impact on the body.

What? The stat with age isn't good enough? How about number of non QB/K/P/Pitcher players with over 20+ seasons played.Football - 7Baseball - 95There are only 72 football players with 16+ seasons. Considering that baseball's active roster is 25 players compared to the 50+ on an NFL team the numbers are even more skewed.

 

[sharptongued1]

Number of non QB/K that have played past 40 - 18Number of non Pitchers that have played past 40 - 357

You might have a point if you're comparing season against season. But in the case of Bo Jackson, we're not. We're comparing a 162 game season (not including spring training) to pre-season and a month's worth of regular season games. It's no contest which has a greater impact on the body.

What? The stat with age isn't good enough? How about number of non QB/K/P/Pitcher players with over 20+ seasons played.Football - 7Baseball - 95There are only 72 football players with 16+ seasons. Considering that baseball's active roster is 25 players compared to the 50+ on an NFL team the numbers are even more skewed.

Again, we're not comparing an entire MLB season to an entire NFL season. We're comparing an entire MLB season to the NFL preseason and a month's worth of games. That is the context in which all of this began.

 

[CalBear]

Again, we're not comparing an entire MLB season to an entire NFL season. We're comparing an entire MLB season to the NFL preseason and a month's worth of games. That is the context in which all of this began.

One football game starting at RB is harder on the body than a season of baseball games.

 

[redBourne]

Come on guys, lets not turn this into a Bo Jackson thread. I know he can warrant a thread of his own.

Back to the real topic. I'm relatively young, so one of the guys I hated to see leave early by injury that had been mentioned earlier in this topic was Eagles RB: Brian Westbrook. he's technically still around and he's been in the league for a while so perhaps this isn't the best of suggestions.

second is :

QB : David Carr. I know he was never really injured persay to end his career. But the pounding that he went through had to have injured him mentally. Pour guy.

 

[sharptongued1]

Again, we're not comparing an entire MLB season to an entire NFL season. We're comparing an entire MLB season to the NFL preseason and a month's worth of games. That is the context in which all of this began.

One football game starting at RB is harder on the body than a season of baseball games.

You have zero way of quantifying this.

 

[CalBear]

Again, we're not comparing an entire MLB season to an entire NFL season. We're comparing an entire MLB season to the NFL preseason and a month's worth of games. That is the context in which all of this began.

One football game starting at RB is harder on the body than a season of baseball games.

You have zero way of quantifying this.

Let's put it this way; has there ever been a baseball player's career ended the way Bo Jackson's was?I'd make an exception for catchers. Other than that, baseball is a low-impact sport. Doing yoga every day is harder on the body than playing baseball.

 

[Bri]

I wouldn't say playing 162 games of professional baseball left him, "completely fresh."

Compared to professional football it did.

Yeah, because grinding it out over 162 games doesn't fatigue you nearly as much as training camp and a month's worth of games...

but they do stand in the field for stretches where they don't do a thing because it's not hit toward them and they sit in the dugout waiting for their turn at bat.I have little doubt that the training for baseball is noteworthy, but I don't find anything other than pitching to be what I'd call a grind about actually playing the game.

 

[Csonka4life]

TD was a rushing machine, that was cut short. Also Bavaro was Superman when the Giants won their first SB. For qb's I would say Neil Lomax and his arthritic shoulder is a big what if...

 

[sharptongued1]

I wouldn't say playing 162 games of professional baseball left him, "completely fresh."

Compared to professional football it did.

Yeah, because grinding it out over 162 games doesn't fatigue you nearly as much as training camp and a month's worth of games...

but they do stand in the field for stretches where they don't do a thing because it's not hit toward them and they sit in the dugout waiting for their turn at bat.I have little doubt that the training for baseball is noteworthy, but I don't find anything other than pitching to be what I'd call a grind about actually playing the game.

And they do it for five/six days a week for six months (not including spring training). One gets bumps, bruises, aches, pains, pulls, fatigue, etc. It's the sum of that over six months that makes me say that he's not, "completely fresh" and gave him some sort of advantage over his peers as sn0mm1s postulated.

 

[sharptongued1]

Again, we're not comparing an entire MLB season to an entire NFL season. We're comparing an entire MLB season to the NFL preseason and a month's worth of games. That is the context in which all of this began.

One football game starting at RB is harder on the body than a season of baseball games.

You have zero way of quantifying this.

Let's put it this way; has there ever been a baseball player's career ended the way Bo Jackson's was?

Red herring. I could just as easily ask if there's ever been a quarterback's career end the way Tony Saunders did.

 

[CalBear]

Let's put it this way; has there ever been a baseball player's career ended the way Bo Jackson's was?

Red herring. I could just as easily ask if there's ever been a quarterback's career end the way Tony Saunders did.

Bo Jackson wasn't a pitcher. He was called on to throw at high velocity no more than a couple of times per game, and throwing from the outfield is a lot easier than pitching, anyway. Football is inherently a high-impact sport, especially for RBs. Baseball is not, except for pitchers and catchers.

 

[sn0mm1s]

And they do it for five/six days a week for six months (not including spring training). One gets bumps, bruises, aches, pains, pulls, fatigue, etc. It's the sum of that over six months that makes me say that he's not, "completely fresh" and gave him some sort of advantage over his peers as sn0mm1s postulated.

He was completely fresh compared to football (and it wasn't like Bo ever came close to playing a full baseball season anyway). There is no comparison - if you think that the two are even close you are wrong.

 

[sharptongued1]

Let's put it this way; has there ever been a baseball player's career ended the way Bo Jackson's was?

Red herring. I could just as easily ask if there's ever been a quarterback's career end the way Tony Saunders did.

Bo Jackson wasn't a pitcher. He was called on to throw at high velocity no more than a couple of times per game, and throwing from the outfield is a lot easier than pitching, anyway. Football is inherently a high-impact sport, especially for RBs. Baseball is not, except for pitchers and catchers.

Doesn't make your question any less of a red herring.

 

[sharptongued1]

He was completely fresh compared to football

No, he wasn't.

There is no comparison

Finally, something we can agree on.

 

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