Carolina shopping Kris Jenkins..... (1 Viewer)

[Englishteacher]

The panthers are shopping one of the dominant DT's in the game. They made some moves in free agency in 2006 to shore up the position in case Jenkins had injury problems. Then, he stayed healthy in 2006. reports say they are looking to move him now because his value is higher comng off a healthy and productive 2006.

Jenkins is a premiere player. Few would doubt that. The Panthers are in a potential salary cap bind with three younger studs on their roster due for pay increases: Julius Peppers, Jordan Gross, and Steve Smith. Smith is under contract but is reportedly disappointed in his deal now that bigtime money has been thrown at free agent WR's and many teams around the league have shopping money due to the salary cap increase. peppers and Gross are nearing the end of their rookie contracts and should expect bigtime contracts with huge signing bonuses. The dominant but older and maligned DT may be a luxury the cats can't afford.

What would you guys expect in th form of compensation for a guy like Jenkins?

As a Carolina homer, I'd love to see a team like the Pats with an extra first round pick offer one up to the Panthers for jenkins. This could be wishful thinking however. I'd more likely foresee a package of lower picks, like a second and a third or fourth rounder. maybe a second rounder this year and a second in 2008.

Chime in.

 

[BusMan]

Latest I heard has the Chiefs and Broncos as the two main contenders, but I'm not certain about the compensation. I would think the Broncos would want to use one of their extra third round picks, but doubt highly they'd want to spend more than that.

 

[Snotbubbles]

Injury issues will push down the value.

 

[massraider]

What would you guys expect in th form of compensation for a guy like Jenkins?As a Carolina homer, I'd love to see a team like the Pats with an extra first round pick offer one up to the Panthers for jenkins. This could be wishful thinking however. I'd more likely foresee a package of lower picks, like a second and a third or fourth rounder. maybe a second rounder this year and a second in 2008.Chime in.

At first glance, that seems like a very, very optimistic guess as to the compensation. But hey, who knows, if two division rivals are both interested, perhaps a bidding war could start.I know he made the Pro Bowl last year, but that wasn't the 'old' Kris Jenkins last year. The guy that played last year is not a guy that commands 2 first day picks in trade. That's my guess.3rd or 4th rounder. If they get a 2nd, I'd say Carolina did good.

 

[Englishteacher]

What would you guys expect in th form of compensation for a guy like Jenkins?

As a Carolina homer, I'd love to see a team like the Pats with an extra first round pick offer one up to the Panthers for jenkins. This could be wishful thinking however. I'd more likely foresee a package of lower picks, like a second and a third or fourth rounder. maybe a second rounder this year and a second in 2008.

Chime in.

At first glance, that seems like a very, very optimistic guess as to the compensation. But hey, who knows, if two division rivals are both interested, perhaps a bidding war could start.I know he made the Pro Bowl last year, but that wasn't the 'old' Kris Jenkins last year. The guy that played last year is not a guy that commands 2 first day picks in trade. That's my guess.

3rd or 4th rounder. If they get a 2nd, I'd say Carolina did good.

Like I said, I'm a Carolina homer. That wasn't an optimistic guess, that was wishful thinking. I doubt the Panthers would offer up Jenkins for a third alone unless their salary cap situation is so dire they're really just unloading him. They signed Keme... Kem... oh who knows how to spell his name.... the dude from Baltimore and lewis from the Rams as insurance policies and they did fairly well. I think Carolina is driven by two things: 1. They are one of the few teams in the league that are near the salary cap despite the 2007 increase and they have other players they need to ink. 2: Jenkins stayed healthy for 2006 so they think his market value has gone up.If a team offered a second rounder and another pick I think they'd take it. Heck, Baltimore gave up two third's for a RB (OK, I know McGahee is younger but he's not dominant and he plays a position that is not valued like DT's, DE's, CB's, WR's, and the Holy Grail, QB's.).

 

[Englishteacher]

Injury issues will push down the value.

agreed. The healthy 2006 from Jenkins has made him "more" marketable though which is why the Panthers are shopping him (in addition to $$$ concerns).

 

[Englishteacher]

Latest I heard has the Chiefs and Broncos as the two main contenders, but I'm not certain about the compensation. I would think the Broncos would want to use one of their extra third round picks, but doubt highly they'd want to spend more than that.

Interesting you say that about the Chiefs as a guy I grew up with in N.C. is the current pro-personnel guy for the Chiefs, Ray Farmer. He's from N.C. and went to Duke where he was an All-American safety. He played @ 3 years for the Eagles before tearing up his knee. He did some work for the Panthers on TV/Radio before starting his scouting career. Maybe he'll push for a backyard/hometown guy he's familair with. It's not like the Chiefs have a load of D line talent. About the only guy that comes to mind is Jared Allen whom they stole in the fourth round a few years ago. They've busted a few times early on DT's in the last few years for sure.

 

[Tackling Dummies]

Latest I heard has the Chiefs and Broncos as the two main contenders, but I'm not certain about the compensation. I would think the Broncos would want to use one of their extra third round picks, but doubt highly they'd want to spend more than that.

Interesting you say that about the Chiefs as a guy I grew up with in N.C. is the current pro-personnel guy for the Chiefs, Ray Farmer. He's from N.C. and went to Duke where he was an All-American safety. He played @ 3 years for the Eagles before tearing up his knee. He did some work for the Panthers on TV/Radio before starting his scouting career. Maybe he'll push for a backyard/hometown guy he's familair with. :X It's not like the Chiefs have a load of D line talent. About the only guy that comes to mind is Jared Allen whom they stole in the fourth round a few years ago. They've busted a few times early on DT's in the last few years for sure.

Tamba Hali is the other end and then it's a bunch of roster chum. After Green goes to Miami, KC can leverage whatever they get in return for the Panthers, save cap space from Green and they are in a better position if they want to retain Jenkins. A perfect fit for the Chefs.

 

[gump]

The Bucs got a 2nd for Booger McFarland...you would think Jenkins would command at least the same as Booger.

 

[TitusIII]

A third rounder seems appropriate for a 400 pounder with bad knees and a drinking problem. The '02-'03 version of KJ was a dominant force, but he is a shell of his former self.

 

[massraider]

The Bucs got a 2nd for Booger McFarland...you would think Jenkins would command at least the same as Booger.

I wouldn't think that at all.

 

[heidbrink]

I've heard rumors that the Rams are also a possible trading partner. The Rams is one team that could certainly put the big run-stopper to good use. I for one would jump for joy if he came to Saint Louis but am not holding my breath.

What is he worth? Not to be coy but...as much as they can get! I'd say he's worth about what we've been hearing...on the high end, the panthers want to try to get into the 2nd round with him, if at all possible. On the low end, nobody wants to part with anything above a third.

I imagine Denver has the upper hand among the suitors since they've got more chips. Denver could even include a swap of a 3rd for a second (plus some other junk) and still come out not too much the worse in the bigger scheme.

 

[HULLOBUDMAN]

Jenkins never played for the Browns, therefore, he can not play D-line for the Broncs.

 

[daveR]

A third rounder seems appropriate for a 400 pounder with bad knees and a drinking problem. The '02-'03 version of KJ was a dominant force, but he is a shell of his former self.

I also assume he's got a monsterous cap number. Add it all up & you get a cut.

 

[gump]

The Bucs got a 2nd for Booger McFarland...you would think Jenkins would command at least the same as Booger.

I wouldn't think that at all.

They did overpay. But desperate times...and it helped bring a ring. Win-win in the end.Maybe CAR can find someone in a bad situation as well.

 

[Englishteacher]

Latest I heard has the Chiefs and Broncos as the two main contenders, but I'm not certain about the compensation. I would think the Broncos would want to use one of their extra third round picks, but doubt highly they'd want to spend more than that.

Interesting you say that about the Chiefs as a guy I grew up with in N.C. is the current pro-personnel guy for the Chiefs, Ray Farmer. He's from N.C. and went to Duke where he was an All-American safety. He played @ 3 years for the Eagles before tearing up his knee. He did some work for the Panthers on TV/Radio before starting his scouting career. Maybe he'll push for a backyard/hometown guy he's familair with. It's not like the Chiefs have a load of D line talent. About the only guy that comes to mind is Jared Allen whom they stole in the fourth round a few years ago. They've busted a few times early on DT's in the last few years for sure.

Tamba Hali is the other end and then it's a bunch of roster chum. After Green goes to Miami, KC can leverage whatever they get in return for the Panthers, save cap space from Green and they are in a better position if they want to retain Jenkins. A perfect fit for the Chefs.

Forgot about Hali. First year guy and the Chiefs Defense certainly doesn't garner much attention in fantasy circles once the season starts.

 

[massraider]

The Bucs got a 2nd for Booger McFarland...you would think Jenkins would command at least the same as Booger.

I wouldn't think that at all.

They did overpay. But desperate times...and it helped bring a ring. Win-win in the end.Maybe CAR can find someone in a bad situation as well.

I don't think Indy overpaid, per se. I just think that it's no slam dunk that Jenkins would command the same price. He has a lot more questions than Booger does.

 

[Englishteacher]

A third rounder seems appropriate for a 400 pounder with bad knees and a drinking problem. The '02-'03 version of KJ was a dominant force, but he is a shell of his former self.

I also assume he's got a monsterous cap number. Add it all up & you get a cut.

I need to find a more thorough article about Carolina and the cap. What I've got so far is mainly opinion from Pro Football Talk. I think they're right in the thick of things at all times and get good scoops even though they miss frequently. But, it's usually because the things they report on are happening that minute so things can go lots of direction. It's a good read for "what's going on around the league" type stuff. don't think they'll cut him outright. He still makes too many plays despite being overweight, injured, drunk, on the downside of his career, and probably overpaid at this point.The Jenkins thing could very well come down to a draft day thing. If the Panthers draft a player in the first round at a premium money position maybe they would look intently at dealing Jenkins because of the squeeze it would put on the salary cap.

Some of the positional outlooks:

QB: Sure not a sure thing on the roster but bringing in Carr helped. Only potential money squeeze would be if Brady Quin fell hard (near impossible to get all the way to the cats and I don't see them moving up unless there's a serious wildcard opinion in the front office.) HIGH Dollar position.

RB: Lynch would be pretty decent value at the Panthers spot but they did draft DeAngello last year. Lynch would fit the more traditional Panthers run scheme but again this is not in the cards. High dollar position.

WR: Lots of WR talent in this draft although I don't think there's a #1 type (NFL type, not draft pick) where we are. Panthers are more likely to look for help 2nd round on and bleed Keyshawn for one more year. High dollar position.

TE: I'd love to see us draft Olsen but I think he may be a luxury type pick with some of the glaring holes the team has, especially with the window for the Panthers winning being now. I think this has hurt us in recent drafts as we've gone position hunting instead of taking the best player overall. However, with DeAngello in the fold we could switch some in offensive philosophy to fit personnel. He's more of a spread the field type RB and Olsen would certainly be a departure from what the Panthers have employed at TE since the retirement of Wesley Walls, that is a blocking TE who typically doesn't do much in the pass game. This offense needs more outlets to take the pressure off Steve Smith to improve. This could be a huge challenge to the coaching staff though. The benefit of getting a TE is the salary cap hit they'd take. TE's aren't high dollar cap players. If Olsen is there and he's the BPA I think we should pull the trigger but I see us going defense instead. Avalibility is crucial here. Much depends on who the teams in front of us pick. The good news is there are plenty of players that fill our needs. I have a feeling the Panthers would be a bit disappointed if Olsen was the BPA that fell to them and could see them trading back a couple of spots if this happened or them "reaching" for a player whose value against other players was a few spots back. Then again, we could get desperate if the guy we want is going to get snagged and trade up. However, we don't really have a history of trading up. TE = LOW dollar position.

O Line: If a tackle like Levi Brown were available he'd be very enticing although I still say we're lookin defense here. But, Travelle Wharton was hurt last year and he's certainly not a dominant tackle. Pairing a rookie stud tackle with our other young buck, Jordan Gross would help the offensive line out. Throw in Mike Wahle and we'd look pretty good there. The O line killed Carolina last year. Offensive Tackle = BIG money position. See ya' Kris! Gaurds and centers less so but there aren't players with this value in the first round. Plus we have other needs.

Defensive End: Mike Rucker is very old and the team has a capable backup, Al Wallace, who is old. We could certainly get by for another year with these two but a young guy would be nice. Thing is, this team is ready to win now so "would be nice" players aren't going to be picked. There are some intriguing guys though like the carriker kid who'd be a LE in a 4-3 and a possible inside player for pass downs. I'm not sure the Panthers would think of doing this but drafting him would enable Julius Peppers to move to RE where he could concentrate more on using his best asset: rushing the passer. Teams will try to run at Peppers and a move to RE might keep him fresher during the season and for the long run by lessening the physical pounding he would take. Still though, this is a stretch. Defensive Ends = BIG money

D Tackle: Several guys in the draft who could be available. Would they look to ship Jenkins and replace him with a less expensive first round rookie? Unlikely with the money spent on the postion in free agency in 2006 but if a great player slid to us in the first round it could happen. If the 19 year old man beast from Louisville were to slide I think we'd see Jenkins headed out of town. D Tackle = big money

LB: A huge need area for Carolina. Franchise made unwise move keeping Dan Morgan with his concussion history and letting Will Witherspoon walk. I love Dan Morgan but his career is on thin ice. A couple of inside linebackers are avaliable around #14 in Patrick Willis, who'll likely go a few picks earlier, and Jon Beason from Miami who's played every LB position. Beason would make a nice move as far as depth chart positioning is concerned because he could play the middle if Morgan gets cuckooed or outisde if he's healthy. Willis made some serious coin at the combine though with his 40 time and may have moved up in the draft to where carolina would have to trade up to get him. OLB's (SS) Lawrence Timmons and (WS) Paul Posluszny are also going in the first round. Drafting a LBer would likely lessen the salary cap blow to the team and would fill an immediate need. LBers = less expensive position players

CB: Not well versed on this years rookie crop and there are bigger holes to fill on defense for sure. A hybrid CB safety type could get snagged though as the Panthers need a younger player at S. CB's= pretty high dollar

S: Cats need youth here. LaRon Landry, Brandon Meriweather, Reggie Nelson, and Michael Griffin are the names being discussed as first rounders. The Panthers could have their pick of all but maybe Landry. S medium grade $ position.

 

[Englishteacher]

The Bucs got a 2nd for Booger McFarland...you would think Jenkins would command at least the same as Booger.

I wouldn't think that at all.

They did overpay. But desperate times...and it helped bring a ring. Win-win in the end.Maybe CAR can find someone in a bad situation as well.

I don't think Indy overpaid, per se. I just think that it's no slam dunk that Jenkins would command the same price. He has a lot more questions than Booger does.

I've always wondered what the meaning of life is too.

 

[Bob Magaw]

former CAR personnel guru tony softli is now with STL... don't know if it will help, but it is a connection between the two teams...