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Carolina's First Pick (1 Viewer)

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I hear alot of chatter for Carolina to draft a QB with the #1 overall this year. Now if Luck would have come out I would have no problem with this but he didn't and now the thoughts are that Blaine Gabbert is worthy of that pick.

With a team with so many needs I can't see wasting that #1 pick on a player of the same value or lesser in my opinion than the guy they already have (Claussen). I live in the Missouri area and have a sister who goes to school there. I watched about every game and am also a big ND fan and IMO there is not alot of difference between the two (in fact I think Caussen is much better). So your paying all this $$$ to someone you already have???? This is why bad teams stay bad, just doesn't make any sense to me. Just cause you draft a guy #1 doesn't make him better than he really is.

Carolina has to go defense with that pick and let Claussen have a chance. He had nothing to work with last year. This is the same kid who was very talented in college. Get him some weapons and build that defense.

Does anyone think Carolina should look at the quarterback position with the first pick?

I actually would stay completely away from drafting any qb's. You have Moore, Pike and Claussen.

Give these 3 a chance and see what you got.

 
If they are even thinking about it, it says a lot about their thoughts on Jimmy--not a good sign for him.

I am not sold on Newton or Gabbert. I would go defense, because that is where the value is. Not because of Jimmy Clausen.

 
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If they are even thinking about it, it says a lot about their thoughts on Jimmy--not a good sign for him. I am not sold on Newton or Gabbert. I would go defense, because that is where the value is. Not because of Jimmy Clausen.
I would agree the power of this draft is on defense.
 
they should trade down! (like practically every other team that has ever picked #1)

One of Bowers, Dareus or Fairley would help them a lot. I'd even take Green over a QB.

This reminds me of 2005 when there wasn't a QB worth taking #1 but the team needed one so they reached. 6 years later, Alex Smith hasn't shown much while the majority of the other top 12 picks have done fairly well. Same thing could happen here.

 
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they should trade down! (like practically every other team that has ever picked #1)

One of Bowers, Dareus or Fairley would help them a lot. I'd even take Green over a QB.
I can say with 100% certainty that no other team that picked #1 traded down, and may even have traded up. :yes: But it also seems that few teams actually trade out of the top spot, at least recently.

 
A QB with the first pick this year would be a blunder, problem is, they need a QB, and don't have a second rounder.

If they can trade out of that #1 spot and grab 2 late firsts, or a first/second... they'd probably be better off. That's not likely to happen though unless the new CBA makes picking 1st overall a lot more contractually lucrative.

I think the panthers should go with def if they can't trade down. And I'm really not hearing a whole lot of predictions otherwise, some speculation, and very little at that. But no one who knows what they're talking about is expecting the Panthers to go QB with the first overall pick.

 
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I've been debating this for a while. Rivera has indicated that QB is a big issue that needs to be addressed, but he has never seen Clausen play in the flesh and keep in mind that Clausen was put in way too early last season. He got his first NFL start in Week 3. Since Luck decided to stay in school, I think people have been gravitating towards the other QBs (Newton, Gabbert) because their last memory of the Carolina Panthers is that of inept QB play.

I'm firmly of the belief that we should take the BPA, whoever we deem that to be. I would love us to trade down, because I truly believe that the player we would get at the 3rd - 8th pick would be just as good as the 1st pick long term. Some of this QB talk by Rivera, especially about Newton, is clever because it forces teams to consider the fact that they may need to trade up to get their guy. In a year where so many teams in the top 15 need a signal caller, I like the strategy.

Ultimately I think we will go with defense, and if you forced me to choose right now I would take Patrick Peterson. I don't care that CBs don't get taken with the #1 pick; the kid has a spotless character, unbelievable talent and is elite at his position.

 
They are not going to pick a QB. They are just making a smoke screen to try and get someone to fall in love with Newton.

I dont care how many Notre Dame games you have watched Blackjacks Clausen cannot play. His arm is too weak, he gets rattled when the pocket comes around him, he has a crazy hitchlike delivery, he is too short to see over his line and thats just for starters. There is a reason that every NFL team past over (some twice) he is just not good. I dont care what Kiper says about him. I have watched NFL for a long time and I have watched every snap Clausen played and I can tell you without a shadow of a doubt he is a poor mans version of Joey Harrington. He will be a career backup at the very ultimate best.

 
I've been debating this for a while. Rivera has indicated that QB is a big issue that needs to be addressed, but he has never seen Clausen play in the flesh and keep in mind that Clausen was put in way too early last season. He got his first NFL start in Week 3. Since Luck decided to stay in school, I think people have been gravitating towards the other QBs (Newton, Gabbert) because their last memory of the Carolina Panthers is that of inept QB play.I'm firmly of the belief that we should take the BPA, whoever we deem that to be. I would love us to trade down, because I truly believe that the player we would get at the 3rd - 8th pick would be just as good as the 1st pick long term. Some of this QB talk by Rivera, especially about Newton, is clever because it forces teams to consider the fact that they may need to trade up to get their guy. In a year where so many teams in the top 15 need a signal caller, I like the strategy.Ultimately I think we will go with defense, and if you forced me to choose right now I would take Patrick Peterson. I don't care that CBs don't get taken with the #1 pick; the kid has a spotless character, unbelievable talent and is elite at his position.
I am in love with Peterson. The dude is a cannot miss along the lines of Revis. I think if they traded down to 4ish they could get him but the trick is fooling someone on Newton. If not they may have to take him at #1. The track record for DT at the #1 spot is terrible, Bowers is hurt and could be a one year wonder, its lol funny that Quinn is even mentioned and I doubt the panthers go QB. If they were to pick a qb and he busts out then that sets the franchise into Detroit territory. Most people I talk to seem to think that Riveria is going to bring in Billy Volek to start just one year and address the qb situation next year.
 
I've been debating this for a while. Rivera has indicated that QB is a big issue that needs to be addressed, but he has never seen Clausen play in the flesh and keep in mind that Clausen was put in way too early last season. He got his first NFL start in Week 3. Since Luck decided to stay in school, I think people have been gravitating towards the other QBs (Newton, Gabbert) because their last memory of the Carolina Panthers is that of inept QB play.

I'm firmly of the belief that we should take the BPA, whoever we deem that to be. I would love us to trade down, because I truly believe that the player we would get at the 3rd - 8th pick would be just as good as the 1st pick long term. Some of this QB talk by Rivera, especially about Newton, is clever because it forces teams to consider the fact that they may need to trade up to get their guy. In a year where so many teams in the top 15 need a signal caller, I like the strategy.

Ultimately I think we will go with defense, and if you forced me to choose right now I would take Patrick Peterson. I don't care that CBs don't get taken with the #1 pick; the kid has a spotless character, unbelievable talent and is elite at his position.
I am in love with Peterson. The dude is a cannot miss along the lines of Revis. I think if they traded down to 4ish they could get him but the trick is fooling someone on Newton. If not they may have to take him at #1. The track record for DT at the #1 spot is terrible, Bowers is hurt and could be a one year wonder, its lol funny that Quinn is even mentioned and I doubt the panthers go QB. If they were to pick a qb and he busts out then that sets the franchise into Detroit territory. Most people I talk to seem to think that Riveria is going to bring in Billy Volek to start just one year and address the qb situation next year.
I have to agree with you on this. I think we'll bring in a veteran QB and leave it at that. It's frustrating that Luck went back to school because otherwise he would be a perfect match for us. I don't think we'll go QB at #1 purely because there isn't a QB truly worth that pick in this class.
 
'Blackjacks said:
Carolina has to go defense with that pick and let Claussen have a chance. He had nothing to work with last year. This is the same kid who was very talented in college. Get him some weapons and build that defense.
I'm guessing that you did not see much of Clausen last year, he was making Derek Anderson and Delhomme look good. Sure, the team needs help, but we're talking the most basic routes and he's missing badly. I'm not sure that badly accurately describes his play. BTW, college is in his rear view and means nothing at this point. Check out the QB rankings from 2010 and keep scrolling down to the bottom where you'll find Clausen. When you see the #46th ranked QB, there is a massive DYAR & YAR gap between him and Skelton.

2010 QB ranking :Football Outsiders

 
This reminds me of 2005 when there wasn't a QB worth taking #1
Are you sure about this?
You want to use hindsight to say Rodgers was worth taking #1, that's fine but 22 other teams didn't think he was worth taking in the 1st either. He sat for 3 years and benefitted by watching one of the best QBs in our generation, and Green Bay has shown an ability rarely matched to draft and develop future star QBs. In Favre's time there, they drafted Brunell, Hasselbeck, Aaron Brooks (although I don't know how much they developed him) and Rodgers. That's a pretty good track record. If San Fran had taken him, I'll go out on a limb and speculate that he wouldn't be as good a QB as he is today. The point remains, you don't reach just because you need a position, especially QB.
 
I've been debating this for a while. Rivera has indicated that QB is a big issue that needs to be addressed, but he has never seen Clausen play in the flesh and keep in mind that Clausen was put in way too early last season. He got his first NFL start in Week 3. Since Luck decided to stay in school, I think people have been gravitating towards the other QBs (Newton, Gabbert) because their last memory of the Carolina Panthers is that of inept QB play.

I'm firmly of the belief that we should take the BPA, whoever we deem that to be. I would love us to trade down, because I truly believe that the player we would get at the 3rd - 8th pick would be just as good as the 1st pick long term. Some of this QB talk by Rivera, especially about Newton, is clever because it forces teams to consider the fact that they may need to trade up to get their guy. In a year where so many teams in the top 15 need a signal caller, I like the strategy.

Ultimately I think we will go with defense, and if you forced me to choose right now I would take Patrick Peterson. I don't care that CBs don't get taken with the #1 pick; the kid has a spotless character, unbelievable talent and is elite at his position.
I am in love with Peterson. The dude is a cannot miss along the lines of Revis. I think if they traded down to 4ish they could get him but the trick is fooling someone on Newton. If not they may have to take him at #1. The track record for DT at the #1 spot is terrible, Bowers is hurt and could be a one year wonder, its lol funny that Quinn is even mentioned and I doubt the panthers go QB. If they were to pick a qb and he busts out then that sets the franchise into Detroit territory. Most people I talk to seem to think that Riveria is going to bring in Billy Volek to start just one year and address the qb situation next year.
That's the way to go imo, as well - and it doesn't necessarily have to be Volek. Bring in a veteran and try and tread water for a season while turning the franchise around a little. Myabe give Clausen a few starts at the end of the year (if the team has a losing record) and see if QB is something that needs to be addressed. One of the D-linemen should help the defense out tremedously in the short and long term.
 
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'Blackjacks said:
Carolina has to go defense with that pick and let Claussen have a chance. He had nothing to work with last year. This is the same kid who was very talented in college. Get him some weapons and build that defense.
I'm guessing that you did not see much of Clausen last year, he was making Derek Anderson and Delhomme look good. Sure, the team needs help, but we're talking the most basic routes and he's missing badly. I'm not sure that badly accurately describes his play. BTW, college is in his rear view and means nothing at this point. Check out the QB rankings from 2010 and keep scrolling down to the bottom where you'll find Clausen. When you see the #46th ranked QB, there is a massive DYAR & YAR gap between him and Skelton.

2010 QB ranking :Football Outsiders
Sure, no QB who ever ranked in the 40s turned out okay. Keep scrolling down to the bottom where you'll find Drew Brees. Not to say Clausen will approach his level, but it's too early to write him off, there isn't a QB worth taking #1 and the Panthers have too many other needs to reach here.

 
Personally I was not sold on Clausen at all, and apparently a number of teams weren't either which was why he dropped as far as he did last year. I think Carolina was hoping they struck gold in the 2nd round, but he looked pathetic last season. I agree that it was a very tough situation and maybe if given another chance he might turn it around, but I just don't think he has the skill set. Totally my opinion, and I have certainly been wrong before.

I think there are some decent rookie QBs this year, but as a #1? Nah, not convinced. It reminds me a lot of 2005 when Alex Smith and Aaron Rodgers came out. I wasn't convinced either would turn out to be a great QB unless the right team picked them (which I would say, so far, I was right about Smith, and wrong about Rodgers). I personally think Carolina would be better served picking the top defensive player and seeing what QBs are still available at 2.01. I'm sure Newton and Gabbert will be gone, but Mallett? Locker? Maybe wait later and see if Dalton or someone else is still around?

 
'Blackjacks said:
Carolina has to go defense with that pick and let Claussen have a chance. He had nothing to work with last year. This is the same kid who was very talented in college. Get him some weapons and build that defense.
I'm guessing that you did not see much of Clausen last year, he was making Derek Anderson and Delhomme look good. Sure, the team needs help, but we're talking the most basic routes and he's missing badly. I'm not sure that badly accurately describes his play. BTW, college is in his rear view and means nothing at this point. Check out the QB rankings from 2010 and keep scrolling down to the bottom where you'll find Clausen. When you see the #46th ranked QB, there is a massive DYAR & YAR gap between him and Skelton.

2010 QB ranking :Football Outsiders
Sure, no QB who ever ranked in the 40s turned out okay. Keep scrolling down to the bottom where you'll find Drew Brees. Not to say Clausen will approach his level, but it's too early to write him off, there isn't a QB worth taking #1 and the Panthers have too many other needs to reach here.
...and Clausen was almost twice as bad as Brees' 2003 season. Sure, CAR has too many needs to fix that train wreck, but QB will still be a need, sooner than later.
 
I expect a FA QB picked up sometime to keep Clausen on the bench and learn as well as get his mechanics fixed. I think we'll try to trade down and probably give someone a decent deal to do so and take the BPA on the defensive side. If we're as bad as expected in 2011, we'll have another shot at Luck again next year.

 
I expect a FA QB picked up sometime to keep Clausen on the bench and learn as well as get his mechanics fixed. I think we'll try to trade down and probably give someone a decent deal to do so and take the BPA on the defensive side. If we're as bad as expected in 2011, we'll have another shot at Luck again next year.
You can never bank on getting a certain pick. As ol' Herm Edwards once said, "You play to win!" Even the pathetic Panthers will try to win games, and could "screw" themselves out of the top pick and a chance at getting Luck. Heck, another team might end up sucking even more than the Panthers next season and they just miss out on an opportunity. It only takes one win to separate the #1 and #2 picks. Heck, not even one win. Look at all the 6-10 teams this past season! My hapless Lions finished strong and were 6-10 and because of the strength of schedule, they are picking #13 instead of #7, despite all the teams inbetween being 6-10.
 
they should trade down! (like practically every other team that has ever picked #1)

One of Bowers, Dareus or Fairley would help them a lot. I'd even take Green over a QB.

This reminds me of 2005 when there wasn't a QB worth taking #1 but the team needed one so they reached. 6 years later, Alex Smith hasn't shown much while the majority of the other top 12 picks have done fairly well. Same thing could happen here.
Great, who is going to trade up?
 
I dont draft either QB. Neither seems like a great bet to help my team. I would hope to go 0-16 and get Luck next year instead. So I go D or trade down. But with the depth of this draft at the top and no clear cut #1 guy, I think this is going to be hard. So take Bowers or Peterson. Either will be a fine pick for them in the future. Get Luck next year. See if Clausen can be the guy with a full training camp. That is if there is one. I dont mind the Volek idea either.

 
they should trade down! (like practically every other team that has ever picked #1)

One of Bowers, Dareus or Fairley would help them a lot. I'd even take Green over a QB.

This reminds me of 2005 when there wasn't a QB worth taking #1 but the team needed one so they reached. 6 years later, Alex Smith hasn't shown much while the majority of the other top 12 picks have done fairly well. Same thing could happen here.
Great, who is going to trade up?
He was joking - hence the part in parenthesis.
 
Personally I was not sold on Clausen at all, and apparently a number of teams weren't either which was why he dropped as far as he did last year. I think Carolina was hoping they struck gold in the 2nd round, but he looked pathetic last season. I agree that it was a very tough situation and maybe if given another chance he might turn it around, but I just don't think he has the skill set. Totally my opinion, and I have certainly been wrong before.

I think there are some decent rookie QBs this year, but as a #1? Nah, not convinced. It reminds me a lot of 2005 when Alex Smith and Aaron Rodgers came out. I wasn't convinced either would turn out to be a great QB unless the right team picked them (which I would say, so far, I was right about Smith, and wrong about Rodgers). I personally think Carolina would be better served picking the top defensive player and seeing what QBs are still available at 2.01. I'm sure Newton and Gabbert will be gone, but Mallett? Locker? Maybe wait later and see if Dalton or someone else is still around?
Unfortunately for them they traded away the 2.1 last season during the draft in order to be able to draft Armanti Edwards.
 
No cornerback has ever been taken at #1. That should change this year.
Now you are talking. Why risk the #1 pick when you can get a lock down corner that everybody thinks will be great. He would be an instant starter for years. I still hope they trade down and pick up more picks.
 
No cornerback has ever been taken at #1. That should change this year.
Now you are talking. Why risk the #1 pick when you can get a lock down corner that everybody thinks will be great. He would be an instant starter for years. I still hope they trade down and pick up more picks.
I think it makes a lot of sense given that the division they're in has some nasty QB/WR combinations.
 
they should trade down! (like practically every other team that has ever picked #1)

One of Bowers, Dareus or Fairley would help them a lot. I'd even take Green over a QB.
I can say with 100% certainty that no other team that picked #1 traded down, and may even have traded up. :goodposting: But it also seems that few teams actually trade out of the top spot, at least recently.
One thing that might change if the new CBA has a rookie wage scale. It will make the top picks more affordable and trading up to be more worthwhile. Would make for some interesting offers for the top pick. Ditka-esque moves with 7 picks for 1.
 
'Blackjacks said:
Carolina has to go defense with that pick and let Claussen have a chance. He had nothing to work with last year. This is the same kid who was very talented in college. Get him some weapons and build that defense.
I'm guessing that you did not see much of Clausen last year, he was making Derek Anderson and Delhomme look good. Sure, the team needs help, but we're talking the most basic routes and he's missing badly. I'm not sure that badly accurately describes his play. BTW, college is in his rear view and means nothing at this point. Check out the QB rankings from 2010 and keep scrolling down to the bottom where you'll find Clausen. When you see the #46th ranked QB, there is a massive DYAR & YAR gap between him and Skelton.

2010 QB ranking :Football Outsiders
Sure, no QB who ever ranked in the 40s turned out okay. Keep scrolling down to the bottom where you'll find Drew Brees. Not to say Clausen will approach his level, but it's too early to write him off, there isn't a QB worth taking #1 and the Panthers have too many other needs to reach here.
...and Clausen was almost twice as bad as Brees' 2003 season. Sure, CAR has too many needs to fix that train wreck, but QB will still be a need, sooner than later.
Most likely, but it wouldn't shock me if Clausen became an average QB with decent support.
I think it (taking Peterson) makes a lot of sense given that the division they're in has some nasty QB/WR combinations.
True on QB, Ryan / Freeman / Brees are the best group in any division (although Romo/Vick/Eli is close). Whether that means a corner is more important than a defensive end, I'm not sure. Peterson could be the best player available anyway.
 
To my memory, with the exception of drafting good RBs, we have a terrible track record percentage-wise of drafting skilled offense positions. I don't trust our ability to draft a worthwhile QB with the first pick

 
I think it (taking Peterson) makes a lot of sense given that the division they're in has some nasty QB/WR combinations.
True on QB, Ryan / Freeman / Brees are the best group in any division (although Romo/Vick/Eli is close). Whether that means a corner is more important than a defensive end, I'm not sure. Peterson could be the best player available anyway.
But they got decent and improving play from their DE's toward the end of last year. Between Charles Johnson, Everette Brown, and Greg Hardy they might not be exactly "set" at the position, but it's far from a glaring need.

 
Carolina has become really awful, really fast. I don't see them having a 1 year turn around. They may be in this position next year when Luck comes out. They should draft defense, ride Clausen for a year to see what they have and then they may have a top 5 pick next year where they can go for a QB.

 
I think it (taking Peterson) makes a lot of sense given that the division they're in has some nasty QB/WR combinations.
True on QB, Ryan / Freeman / Brees are the best group in any division (although Romo/Vick/Eli is close). Whether that means a corner is more important than a defensive end, I'm not sure. Peterson could be the best player available anyway.
But they got decent and improving play from their DE's toward the end of last year. Between Charles Johnson, Everette Brown, and Greg Hardy they might not be exactly "set" at the position, but it's far from a glaring need.
maybe, I tend to not care about what's there unless they have good players. Johnson's okay but they're hardly set there. I'm not sure if their DEs are any better than their corners - Gamble, Marshall, Captain M... not exactly strong but not that much worse than their DEs, are they? Peterson may well be the best player in this draft, but I wouldn't draft a corner out of "need" even in their division. It's really too bad for this team that there is no franchise type DT, OT, or QB in this draft.

 
Carolina has become really awful, really fast. I don't see them having a 1 year turn around. They may be in this position next year when Luck comes out. They should draft defense, ride Clausen for a year to see what they have and then they may have a top 5 pick next year where they can go for a QB.
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I expect a FA QB picked up sometime to keep Clausen on the bench and learn as well as get his mechanics fixed. I think we'll try to trade down and probably give someone a decent deal to do so and take the BPA on the defensive side. If we're as bad as expected in 2011, we'll have another shot at Luck again next year.
One thing people overlook about our QB situation last year is that Clausen essentially had no veteran presence to tutor him. Sure, you can call Matt Moore a veteran but he has limitations to his game as well. If we bring in a guy with eight plus years in the league to teach him, then maybe he can improve. He has to be given another chance. It is far too early to write him off.
 
Personally I was not sold on Clausen at all, and apparently a number of teams weren't either which was why he dropped as far as he did last year. I think Carolina was hoping they struck gold in the 2nd round, but he looked pathetic last season. I agree that it was a very tough situation and maybe if given another chance he might turn it around, but I just don't think he has the skill set. Totally my opinion, and I have certainly been wrong before.

I think there are some decent rookie QBs this year, but as a #1? Nah, not convinced. It reminds me a lot of 2005 when Alex Smith and Aaron Rodgers came out. I wasn't convinced either would turn out to be a great QB unless the right team picked them (which I would say, so far, I was right about Smith, and wrong about Rodgers). I personally think Carolina would be better served picking the top defensive player and seeing what QBs are still available at 2.01. I'm sure Newton and Gabbert will be gone, but Mallett? Locker? Maybe wait later and see if Dalton or someone else is still around?
Unfortunately for them they traded away the 2.1 last season during the draft in order to be able to draft Armanti Edwards.
Ooff, didn't notice that. That hurts... bad.
 
they should trade down! (like practically every other team that has ever picked #1)One of Bowers, Dareus or Fairley would help them a lot. I'd even take Green over a QB.This reminds me of 2005 when there wasn't a QB worth taking #1 but the team needed one so they reached. 6 years later, Alex Smith hasn't shown much while the majority of the other top 12 picks have done fairly well. Same thing could happen here.
what if they picked Aaron Rodgers instead?
 
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I know how bad Claussen looked last year but I have seen Qbs look really bad under bad coaching or due to bad players around him.....Claussen had both.

My point is Claussen is as good, and in my opinion, and as more talented as any QB coming out in this years draft.

Stick with him, he has alot more than he showed last year.

 
they should trade down! (like practically every other team that has ever picked #1)One of Bowers, Dareus or Fairley would help them a lot. I'd even take Green over a QB.This reminds me of 2005 when there wasn't a QB worth taking #1 but the team needed one so they reached. 6 years later, Alex Smith hasn't shown much while the majority of the other top 12 picks have done fairly well. Same thing could happen here.
what if they picked Aaron Rodgers instead?
I commented on this earlier. With all due respect to Rodgers, I wonder how much of his success is due to sitting 3 years, Favre and his coaches. Probably not so much Favre but the other two are huge factors.
 
I know how bad Claussen looked last year but I have seen Qbs look really bad under bad coaching or due to bad players around him.....Claussen had both.

My point is Claussen is as good, and in my opinion, and as more talented as any QB coming out in this years draft.

Stick with him, he has alot more than he showed last year.
He doesn't have a fraction of Newton, Mallett, or Gabbert's talent.
 
This reminds me of 2005 when there wasn't a QB worth taking #1 but the team needed one so they reached. 6 years later, Alex Smith hasn't shown much while the majority of the other top 12 picks have done fairly well. Same thing could happen here.
Actually there was a QB worth taking #1 overall in the 2005 draft unfortunatly for SF they didn't draft him in Aaron Rodgers.
 
they should trade down! (like practically every other team that has ever picked #1)

One of Bowers, Dareus or Fairley would help them a lot. I'd even take Green over a QB.
I can say with 100% certainty that no other team that picked #1 traded down, and may even have traded up. :yucky: But it also seems that few teams actually trade out of the top spot, at least recently.
Even there is a new rookie wage scale, the chances of someone trading up for a questionalbe QB or a DLmen in which a team could find a similar talent with different warts seems not likely. In short, don't want the first pick when the top 6 to 8 are all about the same.
 
I know how bad Claussen looked last year but I have seen Qbs look really bad under bad coaching or due to bad players around him.....Claussen had both.

My point is Claussen is as good, and in my opinion, and as more talented as any QB coming out in this years draft.

Stick with him, he has alot more than he showed last year.
He doesn't have a fraction of Newton, Mallett, or Gabbert's talent.
Really? I might agree he doesn't have the TALENT of Mallett but other issues are there with him. As for Gabbert and Newton I would much rather have Claussen.Cam Newton will not be a good qb in the pros. If you didn't think Claussen was accurate get ready to see Cam....gonna be ugly. I think Gabbert can be descent but you need to throw away his college stats due to being in the spread. I watched Gabbert the last 2 years religiously and I don't think he offers nything great to the pro game. His arm is no better than Claussen and Claussen had a much better offense to show off how he would translate intot eh pros in college.

I wouldn't argue, however, that Mallet is more talented but with all the other needs on that team I dont think I would take a chance on Mallet

 
Panthers have to take the best player available, there is no reason to reach for "need" because they have alot of needs. I would think it will be between Bowers/Fairley/Peterson.

 
they should trade down! (like practically every other team that has ever picked #1)One of Bowers, Dareus or Fairley would help them a lot. I'd even take Green over a QB.This reminds me of 2005 when there wasn't a QB worth taking #1 but the team needed one so they reached. 6 years later, Alex Smith hasn't shown much while the majority of the other top 12 picks have done fairly well. Same thing could happen here.
what if they picked Aaron Rodgers instead?
I commented on this earlier. With all due respect to Rodgers, I wonder how much of his success is due to sitting 3 years, Favre and his coaches. Probably not so much Favre but the other two are huge factors.
Yeah, Rodgers wasn't a top pick. Sure he wasn't worthy of being the last in the first round or whatever he was, but first rounders need to play quicker than Rodgers did. I don't know his contract, but I would take a guess that Green Bay paid him 20-30 mil before he even was truly their QB. That's just too much, with a salary cap and three years is a real long time in the NFL world.Since it's the Pack and all I think people are also forgetting that if your team has the top pick, you stink. You are literally the worst. If Rodgers were drafted by the worst team, they'd be picking first again the next year maybe two. The worst team needs immediate help.
 
if ever there was a team that needed an FF guy to come in and wheel N deal it's the Panthers this year. They really need a clever trader IMO. WIthout that, don't pick a QB because they're going to be picking first again next year anyway.

I just don't see how adding seven rookies in a traditional sense will improve them enough to not pick first again.

Their fans might revolt at the disgust of throwing a year away, but if Luck is the next Peyton or whomever then they'll be back.

 
This reminds me of 2005 when there wasn't a QB worth taking #1
Are you sure about this?
Rogers wasn't a good NFL QB... Oops.
Missed one.
I suspect that FUBAR may be saying that, at the time, none of those QB's seemed worthy of the #1 spot. The idea being that San Fran drafted need rather than BTA and thus reached for Smith. And it's been a few years, but I seem to recall some distress in GB over the Rodgers pick at the time.Using hindsight to second guess draft grades is a waste of time unless you to tell me right now if one of these 2011 guys is going to pan out...which would then make him worthy of being the #1 for Carolina.

 

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