Cecil Lammey, Sig Bloom, Matt Waldman first round mock (1 Viewer)

[Bracie Smathers]

I asked if the guys could throw up their top dozen picks but they did the entire first round mock with all three chiming in on the picks.

Here is what the guys came up with. They start out agreeing on the first three picks then when they get to the fourth pick they are not sure but come up with reasonable possilities.

From April 5th Audible show.

Full NFL first round mock

1. IND - QB Andrew Luck

2. WAS - QB Robert Griffin III

3. MIN - OT Ryan Kalil

4. CLE - Lammey>> could go RB Trent Richardson or QB Ryan Tannenhill or CB Morris Claiborne or trade-down

Bloom>> doesn’t see Tannenhill taken here and really doesn’t like Blackmon for anyone in the top-five and not even sure he’s a top-ten pick. Puts odds at 50/50 pick will be RB Trent Richardson or CB Morris Claiborne

5. TB - CB Morris Claiborne

Bloom>> sitting pretty, can sit tight and take BPA, Claiborne, and reiterates he doesn’t feel Blackmon is worth the pick here.

6. STL - DT Fletcher Cox or possibly this pick could be traded up if they fall in love with someone or down if Miami or someone wants to pounce on Tannenhill

7. JAX - DE/OLB Melvin Ingram

8. MIA - QB Ryan Tannenhill

9. CAR - NT Dontari Poe, DE Quiten Coples

10. BUF - WR Malcom Flloyd

11. KC - (Lammey)>> DT Poe/Brockers (Bloom)>>LB Luke Kuechly, OG David DeCastro, or if Tannenhill drops he could be pick

12. SEA - Kuechly or pass rusher, DE Courtney Upshaw

13. ARI - WR? LB? (Bloom)>> OT Riley Reiff and Bloom feels this is a dire need so if OT Riely Reiff isn’t available they will take next best OT and go OT Jonathan Martin

14. DAL - (Lammey)>> would love DT Dontari Poe but he won’t be there, S Mark Barron. (Bloom)>> feels Dallas is angling for a trade-down. Could wind up with OG David DeCastro if he’s there, need a center so could go C Peter Konz

15. PHI - OT was an issue but they filled it in free agency so if S Mark Barron drops he would be a good fit or if QB Ryan Tannenhill fell he would be a good pick but they are free to take BPA so they could go any direction even DE.

16. NYJ - WR Malcolm Flloyd if he drops, DE Courtney Upshaw or OT Jonathan Martin or possibly even RB if they trade-down, RB Doug Martin being a possible trade-down target.

17. CIN - OG David DeCastro or WR Kendall Wright. O-Line, LB Luke Kuechly but Wright would be a great compliment to WR A.J. Green

18. SD - DE Whitney Mercilus, OG/OT Cordy Glenn

19. CHI - O-Line greatest need, however WR Kendall Wright would look good too. O-Line greatest need so any of the top O-Linemen who drop here, Rieff, DeCastro, Martin, or Glenn

20. TEN - Lost CB Courtland Finnegan so CB Dre Kirpatrick could be a good fit. O-Line issues so C Peter Konz is a possibility.

21.CIN - (Bloom)>> sitting pretty to take BPA either, CB Dre Kirpatrick, OG/OT Cordy Glenn, LB Luke Keuchly, or DE/OLB Courtney Upshaw.

22. CLE - Need skill position players like WR Kendall Wright, or ORT or CB and Bloom throws out QB Brandon Weeden here but got beat down by Waldman and he deserved it because Weeden should not be the pick here.

23. DET - Need O-Line help could use a CB so if Kirpatrick falls he would be a good selection.

24. PIT - DT, O-Line, RB. They like small time school but mean-streak O-Lineman OG Kelechi Osemele

25. DEN - DT/DT/DT they really need defensive tackle help, names: DT Jerel Worthy, but also mentioned S Mark Barron if he should fall

26. HOU - (Waldman) WR is a huge need so WR Reuben Randall is a good name since he could slide in at flanker and in a few years could take over the number one WR spot. Another guy is WR Marvin Jones from Cal who they could take later but he projects much like Randall as a potential number-one WR down the line.

27. NE - OT Jonathan Martin, S Mark Barron, DT makes sense.

28. GB - DE Kendall Reyes, OLB/DE Nick Perry, C Peter Konz, OG Kevin Zeitler

29. BAL - C Peter Konz

30. SF - could go WR, maybe WR Stephen Hill or OG Kevin Zeitler. (Waldman) thinks WR Mario Manningham will bust

31. NE - (Bloom) could go pass rusher, DE/OLB Nick Perry, C Peter Konz, LB Lavonte David

32. NYG - RB Doug Martin makes sense as power compliment to RB Ahmad Bradshaw.

What are the thoughts on the hodge-podge hastily strew together consensus Football Guys mock?

 

[RBM]

Forgot Blackmon

 

[Bracie Smathers]

Forgot Blackmon

I was going by what was said and Bloom came down pretty hard on Blackmon.After he was tossed to the side by Bloom I don't think he was mentioned again by the guys.They were not following strict mock criteria so I think Blackmon was forgotten so you are right, it looks like he was skipped.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

I don't think Riley Reiff makes it past the Bills.

 

[GroveDiesel]

This draft seems extremely difficult to piece together IMO. Lots of needs for teams at the top and very few guys that are clearly blue chip guys.

FWIW, Bloom was discussing Buffalo's possibilities with Joe Buscaglia on Twitter, and I unfortunately agree with Joe. If the Bills don't go OT, I think they go Blackmon over Floyd. At least that appears to be their preference at this point. I'd rather have Floyd than Blackmon, but that's not how it appears Buffalo's scouts/Nix see it.

I'm really terrified that Buffalo is going to take Mike Adams. As an OSU fan, I have never been too impressed with Adams. He's way too slow to handle speed rushers and he blows too many reads because he's not that bright.

But I definitely think the pick will be OT or WR.

As a Bills fan, what I'd really love to see is a daring trade up to get Claiborne. Or trade down about 5 spots or so if at all possible. Then can still get an OT or one of Floyd/Blackmon there I think.

 

[Bracie Smathers]

I don't think Riley Reiff makes it past the Bills.

Yeah, just because its the guys I think we can chime in with our own thoughts because I disagree with Bloom on Blackmon. Bloom says that he doesn't feel that Blackmon is worth a top-five and is sketchy to be a top-ten talent in his eyes. He says he doesn't get separation and that a good comparision is Anquan Boldin with more speed.ANQUAN BOLDIN WITH SPEED?Hell I take an Anquan Boldin with speed any day of the week and twice on Sunday's with a top-five pick if I need a number-one WR. Their are two ways to gain separation, one is blazing speed and the second is to out-muscle DBs and use your body and arms to gain a wider receiving area/target. I see Blackmon as guy who can muscle off the line and then use his body to make plays. TE Rob Gronkowski is tall and has long arms and makes tons of plays with his wide catch/target area. Blackmon isn't as tall but he plays tall and has a wide catch/target area IHMO so I think he's worth a top-five pick and don't think he makes it out of the top-ten.I think he's a natural fit for St. Louis if he makes it that far.

 

[GreatLakesMike]

This draft seems extremely difficult to piece together IMO. Lots of needs for teams at the top and very few guys that are clearly blue chip guys.

FWIW, Bloom was discussing Buffalo's possibilities with Joe Buscaglia on Twitter, and I unfortunately agree with Joe. If the Bills don't go OT, I think they go Blackmon over Floyd. At least that appears to be their preference at this point. I'd rather have Floyd than Blackmon, but that's not how it appears Buffalo's scouts/Nix see it.

I'm really terrified that Buffalo is going to take Mike Adams. As an OSU fan, I have never been too impressed with Adams. He's way too slow to handle speed rushers and he blows too many reads because he's not that bright.

But I definitely think the pick will be OT or WR.

As a Bills fan, what I'd really love to see is a daring trade up to get Claiborne. Or trade down about 5 spots or so if at all possible. Then can still get an OT or one of Floyd/Blackmon there I think.

Adams is terrible. I can't believe he's even being mentioned as a 1st round pick. I don't see it and honestly believe he's a 3rd round pick at best.

 

[BeTheMatch]

Forgot Blackmon

I was going by what was said and Bloom came down pretty hard on Blackmon.After he was tossed to the side by Bloom I don't think he was mentioned again by the guys.They were not following strict mock criteria so I think Blackmon was forgotten so you are right, it looks like he was skipped.

Well, great job then!!

 

[ThePittbully]

Is Malcolm Floyd re-entering the draft? Bump Meachem?

 

[BeTheMatch]

Is Malcolm Floyd re-entering the draft? Bump Meachem?

No, this is Malcom Flloyd. Totally different guy.

 

[Matt Bitonti]

I like the Rueben Randle to Houston pick. that seems to make sense.

As for the Jets, Courtney Upshaw is the most natural target for them and it's been this way for 6 months. recent rumors aside...

 

[Skeletore Eh]

Kind of related but didn't think it was worth it's own thread. Bloom gave his top 7 rookies later in the show

1. Richardson - hands down

2. Blackmon - hesitantly. couldn't blame anyone for taking rg3 or luck

3/4. Rg3 and luck

5. Doug Martin - next best rb after Richardson. Has all the tools to become complete back

6. Kendall wright

7. Michael floyd

 

[Matt Bitonti]

Adams is terrible. I can't believe he's even being mentioned as a 1st round pick. I don't see it and honestly believe he's a 3rd round pick at best.

Once upon a time, Mike Adams was the 3rd best prep tackle invited to the All American Army game. matt Kalil and Tyron Smith were the top 2. After that game, some said Adams was the best of the bunch. Mike Adams didn't work out well and he started slow for Ohio State this season post suspension. but put a set of pads and a helmet on him, he becomes a starting tackle in the league. He has legit size and feet. Needs a couple years in str program but he probably starts day 1 RT and can also swap to LT down the road. he will go higher than most realize. 24 to PIT might be his floor. 16 NYJ, 18 SD, 19 CHI, 21 CIN, 22 CLE are also possibilities.

 

[Matt Bitonti]

2. Blackmon - hesitantly. couldn't blame anyone for taking rg3 or luck

I dont know why everyone is down on Blackmon. He's a 2x Blitnikoff winner and unlike Crabtree (the other 2x winner), he runs a 4.4. His vert is through the gym. He's not megatron but case can be made for poorer version of Larry Fitz. Super rare body control and balance. Worst case he's a number 2 best case he's Rod Smith.

 

[Cecil Lammey]

Adams is terrible. I can't believe he's even being mentioned as a 1st round pick. I don't see it and honestly believe he's a 3rd round pick at best.

Once upon a time, Mike Adams was the 3rd best prep tackle invited to the All American Army game. matt Kalil and Tyron Smith were the top 2. After that game, some said Adams was the best of the bunch. Mike Adams didn't work out well and he started slow for Ohio State this season post suspension. but put a set of pads and a helmet on him, he becomes a starting tackle in the league. He has legit size and feet. Needs a couple years in str program but he probably starts day 1 RT and can also swap to LT down the road. he will go higher than most realize. 24 to PIT might be his floor. 16 NYJ, 18 SD, 19 CHI, 21 CIN, 22 CLE are also possibilities.

LOVE the insight Bitonti!

 

[Fallerjw]

I don't think Riley Reiff makes it past the Bills.

Yeah, just because its the guys I think we can chime in with our own thoughts because I disagree with Bloom on Blackmon. Bloom says that he doesn't feel that Blackmon is worth a top-five and is sketchy to be a top-ten talent in his eyes. He says he doesn't get separation and that a good comparision is Anquan Boldin with more speed.

ANQUAN BOLDIN WITH SPEED?

Hell I take an Anquan Boldin with speed any day of the week and twice on Sunday's with a top-five pick if I need a number-one WR. Their are two ways to gain separation, one is blazing speed and the second is to out-muscle DBs and use your body and arms to gain a wider receiving area/target. I see Blackmon as guy who can muscle off the line and then use his body to make plays. TE Rob Gronkowski is tall and has long arms and makes tons of plays with his wide catch/target area. Blackmon isn't as tall but he plays tall and has a wide catch/target area IHMO so I think he's worth a top-five pick and don't think he makes it out of the top-ten.

I think he's a natural fit for St. Louis if he makes it that far.

 

[Boston]

I think the names in the Patriot slots make sense but I will be beyond upset if one of those two picks (and it would not bother me if both were) is not a front seven player with an emphasis on someone who can rush the passer...O-line is a little bit of an x-factor with the Pats with Mankins being hurt and Light still undecided about his future...that being said they have youngsters like Cannon and Donald (and added Gallery) who they like so while I will never complain about going O-line in the first I would rather they wait until the second or third (due to their needs on D) for that area especially when you have one of the best O-line coaches in the game in Dante Scarnecchia who has proven he can develop players...Safety is a need but they signed Gregory and the word last year was they were very high on Barrett before he got hurt so it's one of those positions they could feel better or worse than we're currently guessing...if they go Safety in the first it must be someone who is a difference-maker because I really am of the belief that until that front seven gets beefed up it really doesn't matter who is in your secondary...

 

[Bankerguy]

I agree on most of the Dallas opinions.

 

[Tackling Dummies]

Stephen Hill is going to make a lot of these discussions look silly.

 

[Wadsworth]

Whitney Mercilus > Ingram at the #7

 

[Matt Bitonti]

Whitney Mercilus > Ingram at the #7

Agree that Mercilus is this year's surprise riser. Disagree that Gene Smith wants him at 7. Except for Gabbert (which they can't feel great about), the Jags have a certain trend under this front office: Seniors, 4 years of production, graduates, hard workers, hustle players. Vinny Curry is probably the perfect Jags DE. Mercilus is like Vernon Gholston boom or bust (Junior, 1 year of production from the big 10, combine superstar). Or if you want to be generous he's like Aldon Smith. But either way he doesn't fit the Jags.

 

[Wadsworth]

Whitney Mercilus > Ingram at the #7

Agree that Mercilus is this year's surprise riser. Disagree that Gene Smith wants him at 7. Except for Gabbert (which they can't feel great about), the Jags have a certain trend under this front office: Seniors, 4 years of production, graduates, hard workers, hustle players. Vinny Curry is probably the perfect Jags DE. Mercilus is like Vernon Gholston boom or bust (Junior, 1 year of production from the big 10, combine superstar). Or if you want to be generous he's like Aldon Smith. But either way he doesn't fit the Jags.

Gene Smith likes seniors, at least close to graduation if not already graduated, team captains, and clean characters guys. Mercilus did not play four seasons but he is a senior, I have no idea how close he is to graduation but he fits the bill on all other accounts. He is a tough hard working kid from a hard working family and his upside is exactly what the Jaguars need which is a rush end in the Aldon Smith/JPP mold. Smith and JPP were also late risers in the draft with questions marks about their college production. You are right that he does not exactly fit Smith's criteria for players, but I think Smith might be willing to make an exception in this case.

 

[Bracie Smathers]

Thought I'd do the first round using the players listed by the guys.

The same player unless noted below the pick with explanation of my reasoning.

1. IND - QB Andrew Luck

2. WAS - QB Robert Griffin III

3. MIN - OT Ryan Kalil

4. CLE - Lammey>> could go RB Trent Richardson or QB Ryan Tannenhill or CB Morris Claiborne or trade-down

*TRADE* (Rams trade 2nd rnd pick) *STL >> WR Justin Blackmon

I like Blackmon a lot and feel the Rams won't take yet another (fourth in last six drafts) first round D-Lineman and fill number one wideout need. They have to come away with a top talent at an area of need in this draft and WR is their second biggest need to OLT IMHO.

5. TB - CB Morris Claiborne

Bloom>> sitting pretty, can sit tight and take BPA, Claiborne, and reiterates he doesn’t feel Blackmon is worth the pick here.

6. STL - DT Fletcher Cox or possibly this pick could be traded

*TRADE* (Browns acquire Rams 2nd rnd pick) *CLE >> RB Trent Richardson

Its possible the Browns could wind up picking later in the top-ten but I put them here so they get T-Rich.

7. JAX - DE/OLB Melvin Ingram

*JAC >> WR Micheal FLloyd

I feel WR trumps other needs and FLloyd's star has been rising.

8. MIA - QB Ryan Tannenhill

9. CAR - NT Dontari Poe, DE Quiten Coples

10. BUF - WR Malcom Flloyd

*BUF >> OT Riely Rief

Needed OLT prospect for a few years.

11. KC - (Lammey)>> DT Poe/Brockers (Bloom)>>LB Luke Kuechly, OG David DeCastro, or if Tannenhill drops he could be pick

*KC >> OLB/DE Melvin Ingram

Great value here.

12. SEA - LB Luke Kuechly

13. ARI - WR? LB? (Bloom)>> OT Riley Reiff and Bloom feels this is a dire need so if OT Riely Reiff isn’t available they will take next best OT and go OT Jonathan Martin

14. DAL - (Lammey)>> would love DT Dontari Poe but he won’t be there, S Mark Barron. (Bloom)>> feels Dallas is angling for a trade-down. Could wind up with OG David DeCastro if he’s there, need a center so could go C Peter Konz.

15. PHI - OT was an issue but they filled it in free agency so if S Mark Barron drops he would be a good fit or if QB Ryan Tannenhill fell he would be a good pick but they are free to take BPA so they could go any direction even DE.

*PHI >> DT Fletcher Cox

BPA.

16. NYJ - DE Courtney Upshaw

17. CIN - OG David DeCastro

18. SD - DE Whitney Mercilus

19. CHI - Cordy Glenn

20. TEN - Lost CB Courtland Finnegan so CB Dre Kirpatrick

21.CIN - (Bloom)>> sitting pretty to take BPA either, CB Dre Kirpatrick, OG/OT Cordy Glenn, LB Luke Keuchly, or DE/OLB Courtney Upshaw.

*CIN >> WR Kendall Wright

Wright paired with A.J. Green makes sense and coincides that he may be the BPA here.

22. CLE - Need skill position players like WR Kendall Wright, or ORT or CB and Bloom throws out QB Brandon Weeden here but got beat down by Waldman and he deserved it because Weeden should not be the pick here.

*CLE >> ORT Mike Adams

Last of the best ORT prospects and won't last till second round.

23. DET - Need O-Line help could use a CB so if Kirpatrick falls he would be a good selection.

*DET >> OG Kevin Zietler

Go with best available O-Lineman on the board.

24. PIT - DT, O-Line, RB. They like small time school but mean-streak O-Lineman OG Kelechi Osemele

25. DEN - DT/DT/DT they really need defensive tackle help, names: DT Jerel Worthy, but also mentioned S Mark Barron if he should fall

26. HOU - (Waldman) WR is a huge need so WR Reuben Randall is a good name since he could slide in at flanker and in a few years could take over the number one WR spot. Another guy is WR Marvin Jones from Cal who they could take later but he projects much like Randall as a potential number-one WR down the line.

27. NE - S Mark Barron

28. GB - DE Kendall Reyes, OLB/DE Nick Perry, C Peter Konz, OG Kevin Zeitler

29. BAL - C Peter Konz

30. SF - could go WR, maybe WR Stephen Hill or OG Kevin Zeitler. (Waldman) thinks WR Mario Manningham will bust

31. NE - (Bloom) could go pass rusher, DE/OLB Nick Perry, C Peter Konz, LB Lavonte David

32. NYG - RB Doug Martin makes sense as power compliment to RB Ahmad Bradshaw.

 

[HellToupee]

Thought I'd do the first round using the players listed by the guys.

The same player unless noted below the pick with explanation of my reasoning.

*TRADE* (Rams trade 2nd rnd pick) *STL >> WR Justin Blackmon

I like Blackmon a lot and feel the Rams won't take yet another (fourth in last six drafts) first round D-Lineman and fill number one wideout need. They have to come away with a top talent at an area of need in this draft and WR is their second biggest need to OLT IMHO.

6. STL - DT Fletcher Cox or possibly this pick could be traded

*TRADE* (Browns acquire Rams 2nd rnd pick) *CLE >> RB Trent Richardson

Its possible the Browns could wind up picking later in the top-ten but I put them here so they get T-Rich.

If I were a Rams fam I would hate this. I seen people online speculating a move like this and I just don't get it. I could see the Rams trading down.

 

[Bracie Smathers]

Thought I'd do the first round using the players listed by the guys.

The same player unless noted below the pick with explanation of my reasoning.

*TRADE* (Rams trade 2nd rnd pick) *STL >> WR Justin Blackmon

I like Blackmon a lot and feel the Rams won't take yet another (fourth in last six drafts) first round D-Lineman and fill number one wideout need. They have to come away with a top talent at an area of need in this draft and WR is their second biggest need to OLT IMHO.

6. STL - DT Fletcher Cox or possibly this pick could be traded

*TRADE* (Browns acquire Rams 2nd rnd pick) *CLE >> RB Trent Richardson

Its possible the Browns could wind up picking later in the top-ten but I put them here so they get T-Rich.

If I were a Rams fam I would hate this. I seen people online speculating a move like this and I just don't get it. I could see the Rams trading down.

You say that you don't get the speculation so I'll elaborate.This makes sense for any number of reasons, first this is set up on the Browns side due to the fact that their are four possible players that are worthy of the Browns pick, OT Ryan Kalil, WR Justin Blackmon, RB Trent Richardson, and CB Morris Claiborne, all are considered blue-chip prospects and all happen to be big needs on the Browns so Cleveland can afford to move down a few spots as they would be assured of one of those players. With the full knowledge that Kalil is most likely off the board to the Vikings at #3.

On the Rams side it makes sense as they were sitting on the best OLT prospect since Jake Long and traded down due to the huge windfall of draft picks that were offered to them so I can't fault them in the least for moving down and collecting those picks but picks don't help them, they need to nail a blue-chip prospect at an area of need.

They won't get Kalil and I don't think they will land either Blackmon or Claiborne unless they move up.

Cleveland hasn't had a legit #1 WR since HOF WR Paul Warfield back in the 1970s. Sure Braylon Edwards had one good year, and Webstar Slaughter did ok back in the 1980s and other guys did ok like Reggie Rucker and Dave Logan but none of them could be considered legit #1 WRs. See the link by Fallerjaw to the Sports Science segment with Justin Blackmon. He's a legit #1 WR prospect. He's a natural fit for Cleveland at an area of need.

Tampa Bay has 36 year old CB Ronde Barber and head case CB Talib Aquib and a new coach who had Claiborne so he's a natural fit for Tampa at an area of need.

Then St. Louis. In 2007 they used their first round draft pick on DE Adam Carriker. In 2008 they used their first round pick on DE Chris Long. Last year they used their first round pick on DE Robert Quinn. I don't see them using four first round picks on their defensive line especially with a dire need at WR. I know FLloyd has been rising up draft boards but I don't think he's as good as Blackmon. The Rams already have a number-one RB. They only have one top-six pick so they can use it to fill a dire need or overload their RB position with Trent Richardson. The other OT prospects are not worth the six pick. They don't need any more draft picks, they need to get a blue-chip talent at an area of need.

They hold an extra second round pick in this draft so they could trade it and get the blue-chip #1 WR in Blackmon and still be sitting on extra first round picks in the next two drafts. Add they still have a high second round pick.

I think it makes sense on many levels and I think it happens.

 

[Sinrman]

Only one mention of Couples?

 

[bengalbuck]

Thought I'd do the first round using the players listed by the guys.

The same player unless noted below the pick with explanation of my reasoning.

*TRADE* (Rams trade 2nd rnd pick) *STL >> WR Justin Blackmon

I like Blackmon a lot and feel the Rams won't take yet another (fourth in last six drafts) first round D-Lineman and fill number one wideout need. They have to come away with a top talent at an area of need in this draft and WR is their second biggest need to OLT IMHO.

6. STL - DT Fletcher Cox or possibly this pick could be traded

*TRADE* (Browns acquire Rams 2nd rnd pick) *CLE >> RB Trent Richardson

Its possible the Browns could wind up picking later in the top-ten but I put them here so they get T-Rich.

If I were a Rams fam I would hate this. I seen people online speculating a move like this and I just don't get it. I could see the Rams trading down.

You say that you don't get the speculation so I'll elaborate.This makes sense for any number of reasons, first this is set up on the Browns side due to the fact that their are four possible players that are worthy of the Browns pick, OT Ryan Kalil, WR Justin Blackmon, RB Trent Richardson, and CB Morris Claiborne, all are considered blue-chip prospects and all happen to be big needs on the Browns so Cleveland can afford to move down a few spots as they would be assured of one of those players. With the full knowledge that Kalil is most likely off the board to the Vikings at #3.

On the Rams side it makes sense as they were sitting on the best OLT prospect since Jake Long and traded down due to the huge windfall of draft picks that were offered to them so I can't fault them in the least for moving down and collecting those picks but picks don't help them, they need to nail a blue-chip prospect at an area of need.

They won't get Kalil and I don't think they will land either Blackmon or Claiborne unless they move up.

Cleveland hasn't had a legit #1 WR since HOF WR Paul Warfield back in the 1970s. Sure Braylon Edwards had one good year, and Webstar Slaughter did ok back in the 1980s and other guys did ok like Reggie Rucker and Dave Logan but none of them could be considered legit #1 WRs. See the link by Fallerjaw to the Sports Science segment with Justin Blackmon. He's a legit #1 WR prospect. He's a natural fit for Cleveland at an area of need.

Tampa Bay has 36 year old CB Ronde Barber and head case CB Talib Aquib and a new coach who had Claiborne so he's a natural fit for Tampa at an area of need.

Then St. Louis. In 2007 they used their first round draft pick on DE Adam Carriker. In 2008 they used their first round pick on DE Chris Long. Last year they used their first round pick on DE Robert Quinn. I don't see them using four first round picks on their defensive line especially with a dire need at WR. I know FLloyd has been rising up draft boards but I don't think he's as good as Blackmon. The Rams already have a number-one RB. They only have one top-six pick so they can use it to fill a dire need or overload their RB position with Trent Richardson. The other OT prospects are not worth the six pick. They don't need any more draft picks, they need to get a blue-chip talent at an area of need.

They hold an extra second round pick in this draft so they could trade it and get the blue-chip #1 WR in Blackmon and still be sitting on extra first round picks in the next two drafts. Add they still have a high second round pick.

I think it makes sense on many levels and I think it happens.

I wonder if trading up twice would work for the Rams. I think Kalil would be perfect for them and Minnesota would consider a trade down. But they'd likely be extremely scared of trading down to 6 and having Blackmon go 4 and Claiborne 5 leaving Richardson as the top available guy at 6. Maybe if Cleveland doesn't have a strong preference at 4 (or is interested in Tannehill and thinks it can afford to trade down a couple spots), they move down to 6 for Washington's 2nd. Then maybe STL can entice the Vikings to move down one spot to grab Blackmon or Claiborne. Maybe a future 1st or something?

Theoretically, the Rams could use some assets to get up to 3rd and grab Kalil (the guy they'd have taken at 2) and use less assets to get there than what they received from the Redskins. Which would basically make everything leftover as basically "free" as they get the same player (slightly cheaper contract at 3 vs. 2) and some free picks just by doing some clever moves.

Just a possibility and probably a longshot, but arguably makes sense for all involved. Especially the Rams who would be well served by getting Bradford a LT like Kalil and have plenty of ammo to get it done if that's what they really want.

And I tend to think the Vikings talk of possibly trading down may be directed primarily at St. Louis. Jealous probably isn't the right word, but you know Minny, with a lot of holes to fill, is looking at all those picks the Rams have wishing it was them.

 

[Bracie Smathers]

I wonder if trading up twice would work for the Rams. I think Kalil would be perfect for them and Minnesota would consider a trade down. But they'd likely be extremely scared of trading down to 6 and having Blackmon go 4 and Claiborne 5 leaving Richardson as the top available guy at 6.

Maybe if Cleveland doesn't have a strong preference at 4 (or is interested in Tannehill and thinks it can afford to trade down a couple spots), they move down to 6 for Washington's 2nd. Then maybe STL can entice the Vikings to move down one spot to grab Blackmon or Claiborne. Maybe a future 1st or something?

Theoretically, the Rams could use some assets to get up to 3rd and grab Kalil (the guy they'd have taken at 2) and use less assets to get there than what they received from the Redskins. Which would basically make everything leftover as basically "free" as they get the same player (slightly cheaper contract at 3 vs. 2) and some free picks just by doing some clever moves.

Just a possibility and probably a longshot, but arguably makes sense for all involved. Especially the Rams who would be well served by getting Bradford a LT like Kalil and have plenty of ammo to get it done if that's what they really want.

And I tend to think the Vikings talk of possibly trading down may be directed primarily at St. Louis. Jealous probably isn't the right word, but you know Minny, with a lot of holes to fill, is looking at all those picks the Rams have wishing it was them.

I think you understand the situation very well outside of the Browns interest in Tannenhill which is up for speculation.It is widely projected that their are four blue-chip players left after the first two QBs are taken and Kalil is a very likely third pick leaving the Browns three blue-chip players to choose from and three all happen to fill needs on the Browns. Tannenhill would fill a 'need' but he's not a blue-chip prospect so their is far greater risk that the 'need' would be met. High first round picks vary in value since teams will pay premiums to draft blue-chip players as risk is diminished while at the same time return is thought to be higher.

I do think a trade between Cleveland and St. Louis makes sense but I also agree with you that the Rams would be more interested in Kalil but Minnesota would not want to trade to the sixth spot and be left with Trent Richardson as the lone remaining blue-chip player. Also blue-chip OLT prospects are highly prized becaue they come around infrequently and are far less likely to be found later in the draft whereas blue-chip RBs also come about infrequently but are found nearly every year later in the draft or even as undrafted free agents. The same can be said of lock-down CBs and legitimate #1 WRs so for the Browns to trade-down they probably would not consider that option unless they got a second round pick as they would be paying an opportunity cost to get a blue-chip player at an area of need that is more difficult to acquire than a RB.

Oh and if the Browns do trade-down and Miami has a high value on Tannenhill then the Browns could trade-down again and T-Rich could still be available at #8 for them to take.

 

[Jason Wood]

I sincerely hope the Eagles don't take a QB in the first round, or Poe.

Things that would make me happy?

*** LB L. Kuechly -- He's the most obvious fit, even with the addition of Ryans. I think we probably have to move up a bit to guarantee him though, so I'm not counting on it

*** DT F. Cox -- I know we had Poe in for a visit, but I'm hoping that Poe goes before our pick and we "settle" for Cox, who I like quite a bit more

*** CB S. Gilmore -- I'm assuming that Claiborne is long gone (as he should be) and that if another CB is off the board, it'll be someone like Kirkpatrick, leaving Gilmore for us

*** WR M. Floyd -- Not a "need" necessarily, but I love the kid's game and would see this as a way to leverage the DeJax situation. With Floyd on board, this really does become a 1-year trial by fire for Jax

*** Trade Down -- I'm fine with moving down if one of the guys the team values at 15 isn't around, or it looks like several relatively valued guys will be there a bit later

 

[Donnybrook]

...I wonder if trading up twice would work for the Rams. I think Kalil would be perfect for them and Minnesota would consider a trade down. But they'd likely be extremely scared of trading down to 6 and having Blackmon go 4 and Claiborne 5 leaving Richardson as the top available guy at 6. ...

I can't imagine the Vikings moving down for anything less than an 1st next year and 2nd this year in addition to the 1.06. St. Louis would still be making out like bandits if they walk away with Kalil and extra 1st in 2014. Vikings would probably take Michael Floyd. I don't think the character concerns are big deal to them since so far they have gambled and won with players like Harvin and Jared Allen.

 

[Donnybrook]

I just listened to Florio talk about why the Vikings won't be trading while on the clock. However, he missed the (slim) possiblity that the Vikings and St. Louis would be trading partners. Vikings and St. Louis desire the same players. If Vikings take Kalil at 3, they could wait till Blackmon or Claiborne gets to St. Louis at 6 to complete a trade.

 

[GreatLakesMike]

Adams is terrible. I can't believe he's even being mentioned as a 1st round pick. I don't see it and honestly believe he's a 3rd round pick at best.

Once upon a time, Mike Adams was the 3rd best prep tackle invited to the All American Army game. matt Kalil and Tyron Smith were the top 2. After that game, some said Adams was the best of the bunch. Mike Adams didn't work out well and he started slow for Ohio State this season post suspension. but put a set of pads and a helmet on him, he becomes a starting tackle in the league. He has legit size and feet. Needs a couple years in str program but he probably starts day 1 RT and can also swap to LT down the road. he will go higher than most realize. 24 to PIT might be his floor. 16 NYJ, 18 SD, 19 CHI, 21 CIN, 22 CLE are also possibilities.

I know he was a highly touted offensive lineman at one time, but that really has nothing to do with the present.Maybe my bias is getting in the way, but Adams was never good at any point during his stay at OSU. He had moments of mediocrity. I suppose he could move to RT, but if that's where teams are projecting him, then no way he gets drafted in the 1st round. He doesn't have the foot quickness or strength to warrant a 1st round pick IMO. We'll see.... I've certainly been wrong before.

 

[Bracie Smathers]

Thought I'd do the first round using the players listed by the guys.

The same player unless noted below the pick with explanation of my reasoning.

*TRADE* (Rams trade 2nd rnd pick) *STL >> WR Justin Blackmon

I like Blackmon a lot and feel the Rams won't take yet another (fourth in last six drafts) first round D-Lineman and fill number one wideout need. They have to come away with a top talent at an area of need in this draft and WR is their second biggest need to OLT IMHO.

6. STL - DT Fletcher Cox or possibly this pick could be traded

*TRADE* (Browns acquire Rams 2nd rnd pick) *CLE >> RB Trent Richardson

Its possible the Browns could wind up picking later in the top-ten but I put them here so they get T-Rich.

If I were a Rams fam I would hate this. I seen people online speculating a move like this and I just don't get it. I could see the Rams trading down.

You say that you don't get the speculation so I'll elaborate.This makes sense for any number of reasons, first this is set up on the Browns side due to the fact that their are four possible players that are worthy of the Browns pick, OT Ryan Kalil, WR Justin Blackmon, RB Trent Richardson, and CB Morris Claiborne, all are considered blue-chip prospects and all happen to be big needs on the Browns so Cleveland can afford to move down a few spots as they would be assured of one of those players. With the full knowledge that Kalil is most likely off the board to the Vikings at #3.

On the Rams side it makes sense as they were sitting on the best OLT prospect since Jake Long and traded down due to the huge windfall of draft picks that were offered to them so I can't fault them in the least for moving down and collecting those picks but picks don't help them, they need to nail a blue-chip prospect at an area of need.

They won't get Kalil and I don't think they will land either Blackmon or Claiborne unless they move up.

Cleveland hasn't had a legit #1 WR since HOF WR Paul Warfield back in the 1970s. Sure Braylon Edwards had one good year, and Webstar Slaughter did ok back in the 1980s and other guys did ok like Reggie Rucker and Dave Logan but none of them could be considered legit #1 WRs. See the link by Fallerjaw to the Sports Science segment with Justin Blackmon. He's a legit #1 WR prospect. He's a natural fit for Cleveland at an area of need.

Tampa Bay has 36 year old CB Ronde Barber and head case CB Talib Aquib and a new coach who had Claiborne so he's a natural fit for Tampa at an area of need.

Then St. Louis. In 2007 they used their first round draft pick on DE Adam Carriker. In 2008 they used their first round pick on DE Chris Long. Last year they used their first round pick on DE Robert Quinn. I don't see them using four first round picks on their defensive line especially with a dire need at WR. I know FLloyd has been rising up draft boards but I don't think he's as good as Blackmon. The Rams already have a number-one RB. They only have one top-six pick so they can use it to fill a dire need or overload their RB position with Trent Richardson. The other OT prospects are not worth the six pick. They don't need any more draft picks, they need to get a blue-chip talent at an area of need.

They hold an extra second round pick in this draft so they could trade it and get the blue-chip #1 WR in Blackmon and still be sitting on extra first round picks in the next two drafts. Add they still have a high second round pick.

I think it makes sense on many levels and I think it happens.

New story about possible trades is linked from front page of nfl.com, the story provides details of past NFL draft trades where their has been an average of SIX trades made in the first round in past drafts and they state in a factual manner that their will UNDOUBTEDLY be a handful of trades in the first round.The writer, Chad Reuter, confesses the difficult part is trying to project which teams might make deals but he comes up with a few likely scenarios.

Tannehill, Blackmon highlight potential draft-day trade targets

... There will undoubtedly be another handful of trades Thursday night of draft weekend, as an average of six draft-day pick movements have occurred in the last 10 first rounds.

... Blackmon's receiving attention

Justin Blackmon, the two-time Biletnikoff Award winner as college football's top wide receiver, has been quite popular on the team visit circuit lately. He's talked to just about every team in the top 10 that isn't eyeing quarterbacks Andrew Luck and Robert Griffin III.

Several teams selecting early in the draft have a huge need at receiver: Minnesota (No. 3 overall pick), Cleveland (4), St. Louis (6), Miami (8), Carolina (9) and Buffalo (10). Such demand at one position often leads to a deal being completed.

The Rams could trade the second-round pick acquired from the Redskins or their assigned early third-rounder to get the jump on teams outside the coveted top six spots. The team does need elite talent throughout the roster, though, so it is possible new general manager Les Snead will allow other teams to give away their premium picks while he stands pat (or collects more picks via trade).

 

[GroveDiesel]

Toss the Bills out as a team trading up. Nix has already said as much and his history validates that. He's much more likely to trade down than up. And with the depth at the WR position and the fact that Blackmon and Floyd aren't blue chip prospects, I see little reason for the Bills to trade up, especially since LT is as much of a need if not more so.

 

[Donnybrook]

Adams is terrible. I can't believe he's even being mentioned as a 1st round pick. I don't see it and honestly believe he's a 3rd round pick at best.

Once upon a time, Mike Adams was the 3rd best prep tackle invited to the All American Army game. matt Kalil and Tyron Smith were the top 2. After that game, some said Adams was the best of the bunch. Mike Adams didn't work out well and he started slow for Ohio State this season post suspension. but put a set of pads and a helmet on him, he becomes a starting tackle in the league. He has legit size and feet. Needs a couple years in str program but he probably starts day 1 RT and can also swap to LT down the road.

he will go higher than most realize. 24 to PIT might be his floor. 16 NYJ, 18 SD, 19 CHI, 21 CIN, 22 CLE are also possibilities.

I know he was a highly touted offensive lineman at one time, but that really has nothing to do with the present.Maybe my bias is getting in the way, but Adams was never good at any point during his stay at OSU. He had moments of mediocrity. I suppose he could move to RT, but if that's where teams are projecting him, then no way he gets drafted in the 1st round. He doesn't have the foot quickness or strength to warrant a 1st round pick IMO.

We'll see.... I've certainly been wrong before.

Per KFFL:

NFL | Mike Adams tested positive for marijuana at combine

Thu, 19 Apr 2012 09:10:32 -0700

Ohio State OT Mike X. Adams tested positive for marijuana at the NFL scouting combine in February, according to league sources, but has been upfront with teams since learning of the result and might not slip that much in the NFL Draft because of it. Interested teams have been in close contact with Adams, and have been impressed that he has already completed counseling. The positive result will make him a moderate risk, and could result in him sliding to the second round of the draft.