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Chad Johnson to the Colts? (1 Viewer)

Max Power

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I usually find that team fan forums are a great place to get player updates. Owning Harrison this year, you can bet I have been hanging around Colts.com a lot this season. I ran across this thread and thought I would share.

From Colts Fan Forum...

I'm a little apprehensive about posting this as I can't provide a link, but a source I have close to the team (actually works for the Colts) has informed me that the Colts are talking with Cincy about a trade for Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco) after this season is over. With Marvin's injuries and his age being a major factor in his recovery, he's considering retirement at the end of the season. Indianapolis would send next draft's (2008) 3rd rounder and a 2nd rounder from the 2009 draft.

Will let you know if I hear anything more.

http://forum.colts.com/showthread.php?t=23669

The guy seems like a respectable poster, but I could be wrong.

 
Max Power said:
I usually find that team fan forums are a great place to get player updates. Owning Harrison this year, you can bet I have been hanging around Colts.com a lot this season. I ran across this thread and thought I would share.

From Colts Fan Forum...

I'm a little apprehensive about posting this as I can't provide a link, but a source I have close to the team (actually works for the Colts) has informed me that the Colts are talking with Cincy about a trade for Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco) after this season is over. With Marvin's injuries and his age being a major factor in his recovery, he's considering retirement at the end of the season. Indianapolis would send next draft's (2008) 3rd rounder and a 2nd rounder from the 2009 draft.

Will let you know if I hear anything more.

http://forum.colts.com/showthread.php?t=23669

The guy seems like a respectable poster, but I could be wrong.
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A little disappointed in the value Cinn would be getting, but I could see this happening.Not sure if Ind wants someone that craves the spotlight like CJ on their team though.

Ind needs to understand they won't be able to change that personality trait, and trying to will cause problems eventually.

 
CJ signed a contract extension last year so there would be huge cap implications for the Bengals to trade him. I can't see how getting a 2nd and 3rd would make sense for them.

 
cstu said:
CJ signed a contract extension last year so there would be huge cap implications for the Bengals to trade him. I can't see how getting a 2nd and 3rd would make sense for them.
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maybe things have gotten that bad...or they know the cap hit lowers his value.I'll tell you what, trades involving players for picks have been strange lately. McGahee for a couple thirds...Thomas Jones traded for a swap of 2nd rounders...Then Chambers goes for a 2nd. :thumbup:
 
I for one would not want this.. Let him keep his act in Cincy. We want a guy with class not one missing the cl in it :thumbup:

 
Sopranos said:
I for one would not want this.. Let him keep his act in Cincy. We want a guy with class not one missing the cl in it :thumbup:
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You are right, The Colts are a class act, they don`t need some circus clown WR messing up the team chemistry. Send CJ to the Raiders.
 
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I for one would not want this.. Let him keep his act in Cincy. We want a guy with class not one missing the cl in it :popcorn:
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What has he done that has lead you to believe that he is not classy?? His TD celebrations/antics have gotten a bit old, but can be funny sometimes. Plus he's not doing them unless the team gets back to a winning record. Housh and others on the team have talked about what a great teammate he is. When you consider how many Bengals have had off field problems, and been arrested, he has never been in trouble.
 
Max Power said:
I would think this has to set off more flags for Harrison Dynasty owners...Sell now?
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If you are getting a good offer. The chances of Harrison coming back, and putting up some stats are better than the offers I've been getting so I'm holdin.
 
I can see CJ being dealt, if the cap works.

I can see the Colts acquiring a WR.

I just don't see this as a good match, neccessary for the Colts, or a fair price for one of the best WRs in the NFL.

A little unfair to Reggie too. :popcorn:

 
thayman said:
Sopranos said:
I for one would not want this.. Let him keep his act in Cincy. We want a guy with class not one missing the cl in it :popcorn:
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What has he done that has lead you to believe that he is not classy?? His TD celebrations/antics have gotten a bit old, but can be funny sometimes. Plus he's not doing them unless the team gets back to a winning record. Housh and others on the team have talked about what a great teammate he is. When you consider how many Bengals have had off field problems, and been arrested, he has never been in trouble.
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Also, let's remember how much people doubted the Moss to Pats move would work out - and it has (thus far).I'd say Moss was more of a risk than CJ would be. The big question is whether he would be able to coexist with Wayne - and given him and Housh, I think the answer is yes.On the other side of the coin, not sure why Cinci would do this - yes, they have some WRs that COULD fill in opposite TJ, but as seen this season that's an iffy proposition (Holt, Perry, Chatman all were either hurt or only occasional factors) and Henry is one bad idea away from a year long suspension....I dunno, I just haven't gotten the feeling that CJ is SO bad (and as a poster pointed out, his teammates have spoken about what a good team guy he is, despite the antics) that they could toy with one of the better WR tandems in the league... (IMO)
 
thayman said:
Sopranos said:
I for one would not want this.. Let him keep his act in Cincy. We want a guy with class not one missing the cl in it :popcorn:
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What has he done that has lead you to believe that he is not classy?? His TD celebrations/antics have gotten a bit old, but can be funny sometimes. Plus he's not doing them unless the team gets back to a winning record. Housh and others on the team have talked about what a great teammate he is. When you consider how many Bengals have had off field problems, and been arrested, he has never been in trouble.
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Human nature being what it is, do you think the majority of CJ's teammates enjoy seeing all the attention on Sportscenter etc... focussed on CJ's next TD antics plan, or would they rather see the rest of the team get featured for what they actually do on the field? Do you think, subconsciously, the team blocks as hard for CJ as they do for someone that plays hard AND keeps their mouth shut, like Housh?Do you think it was CJ's idea to shut down his skits, or was it maybe on a suggestion from the coach or ownership or his teammates or his agent?If it makes sense to shut down the attention mongering when Cinn is not playing well, then why does it make sense to do the antics when Cinn is playing well? How does that make things better? When the team is winning, would they maybe do even better if CJ took the Harrison/Wayne/Housh etc... approach and really put the team 1st and became 1 of 60 instead of thinking of himself first?
 
Anything to keep the Patriots hands off of him. If the Colts did make this trade, I would bet they would lay the law down to CJ about his antics. The team comes first, so drawing too much attention to himself won't be tolerated.

 
Boot to the Head! said:
thayman said:
Sopranos said:
I for one would not want this.. Let him keep his act in Cincy. We want a guy with class not one missing the cl in it :goodposting:
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What has he done that has lead you to believe that he is not classy?? His TD celebrations/antics have gotten a bit old, but can be funny sometimes. Plus he's not doing them unless the team gets back to a winning record. Housh and others on the team have talked about what a great teammate he is. When you consider how many Bengals have had off field problems, and been arrested, he has never been in trouble.
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Human nature being what it is, do you think the majority of CJ's teammates enjoy seeing all the attention on Sportscenter etc... focussed on CJ's next TD antics plan, or would they rather see the rest of the team get featured for what they actually do on the field?
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I think the members of the Bengals squad would rather watch Kate & Leopold II than an ESPN special about what they've done on the field this year.
 
Three things.

1) Teams discuss all sorts of things. The fact that a trade cannot be consummated for several months anyways leads me to believe that this is a long shot

2) Getting rid of CJ makes very little sense to me. The bengals have plenty of cancerous players. Why dump a player who actually works hard, doesn't break the law, and excels on the field?

3) Bill Belichick has spoken very highly of CJ. I doubt the Pats would be interested in paying top WR money for both Moss & CJ, but who knows what will happen in the offseason?

 
I think it would be a great fit. In Cincy, CJ is just as big as Carson. Indy is Peyton's team, and CJ would have to fall in line.

 
JohnnyU said:
Boot to the Head! said:
FreeBaGeL said:
Boot to the Head! said:
Not sure if Ind wants someone that craves the spotlight like CJ on their team though.
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Indeed. CJ is in too many television commercials and Indy just won't put up with that.
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Seriously?TV commercials <> scripted endzone and sideline celebrations.
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You would think that's a no brainer to most.
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And to think I decided not to put the :wink: icon at the end of that because I figured it was obvious enough that I was kidding already.Guess you just never know with those no brainers :eek:
 
Assuming that there's any truth at all to this rumor you'd think people would learn by now with Randy Moss.

When you trade good players (Chad Johnson) away for bad players (draft picks), you lose. It's a no-brainer for the Colts to make this move and the Bengals would have no brains to trade away such a great player.

 
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The Man with the Plan said:
Assuming that there's any truth at all to this rumor you'd think people would learn by now with Randy Moss. When you trade good players (Chad Johnson) away for bad players (draft picks), you lose. It's a no-brainer for the Colts to make this move and the Bengals would have no brains to trade away such a great player.
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Draft picks = bad players? Interesting concept.
 
Boot to the Head! said:
The Man with the Plan said:
Assuming that there's any truth at all to this rumor you'd think people would learn by now with Randy Moss. When you trade good players (Chad Johnson) away for bad players (draft picks), you lose. It's a no-brainer for the Colts to make this move and the Bengals would have no brains to trade away such a great player.
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Draft picks = bad players? Interesting concept.
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Compared to Chad Johnson who's actually done something in the NFL. Trading him away in his prime for players who haven't done anything and likely won't do anything (like most draft picks) is stupid.
 
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Boot to the Head! said:
thayman said:
Sopranos said:
I for one would not want this.. Let him keep his act in Cincy. We want a guy with class not one missing the cl in it :confused:
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What has he done that has lead you to believe that he is not classy?? His TD celebrations/antics have gotten a bit old, but can be funny sometimes. Plus he's not doing them unless the team gets back to a winning record. Housh and others on the team have talked about what a great teammate he is. When you consider how many Bengals have had off field problems, and been arrested, he has never been in trouble.
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Human nature being what it is, do you think the majority of CJ's teammates enjoy seeing all the attention on Sportscenter etc... focussed on CJ's next TD antics plan, or would they rather see the rest of the team get featured for what they actually do on the field? Do you think, subconsciously, the team blocks as hard for CJ as they do for someone that plays hard AND keeps their mouth shut, like Housh?Do you think it was CJ's idea to shut down his skits, or was it maybe on a suggestion from the coach or ownership or his teammates or his agent?If it makes sense to shut down the attention mongering when Cinn is not playing well, then why does it make sense to do the antics when Cinn is playing well? How does that make things better? When the team is winning, would they maybe do even better if CJ took the Harrison/Wayne/Housh etc... approach and really put the team 1st and became 1 of 60 instead of thinking of himself first?
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I don't know what the Bengals subconsciously are thinking. I'm going to assume that it's a team game and they block hard for anyone that can get them in the endzone.Does it matter who's idea it was to shut down his antics? If it was the coaches/owenership/teamates all that proves is that he is a good team player by abiding by their wishes and listening to them.And I think winning cures everything, it matters alot less what he is doing as far as TD celebrations and such if the team is winning. Look at the Giants, every year everything is fine with Coughlin, up until they go on a losing skid. Then all hell breaks loose.Personally I don't think this trade happens just too much money would be wrapped up in their offense.
 
thayman said:
Boot to the Head! said:
thayman said:
Sopranos said:
I for one would not want this.. Let him keep his act in Cincy. We want a guy with class not one missing the cl in it :confused:
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What has he done that has lead you to believe that he is not classy?? His TD celebrations/antics have gotten a bit old, but can be funny sometimes. Plus he's not doing them unless the team gets back to a winning record. Housh and others on the team have talked about what a great teammate he is. When you consider how many Bengals have had off field problems, and been arrested, he has never been in trouble.
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Human nature being what it is, do you think the majority of CJ's teammates enjoy seeing all the attention on Sportscenter etc... focussed on CJ's next TD antics plan, or would they rather see the rest of the team get featured for what they actually do on the field? Do you think, subconsciously, the team blocks as hard for CJ as they do for someone that plays hard AND keeps their mouth shut, like Housh?

Do you think it was CJ's idea to shut down his skits, or was it maybe on a suggestion from the coach or ownership or his teammates or his agent?

If it makes sense to shut down the attention mongering when Cinn is not playing well, then why does it make sense to do the antics when Cinn is playing well? How does that make things better?

When the team is winning, would they maybe do even better if CJ took the Harrison/Wayne/Housh etc... approach and really put the team 1st and became 1 of 60 instead of thinking of himself first?
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I don't know what the Bengals subconsciously are thinking. I'm going to assume that it's a team game and they block hard for anyone that can get them in the endzone.Does it matter who's idea it was to shut down his antics? If it was the coaches/owenership/teamates all that proves is that he is a good team player by abiding by their wishes and listening to them.

And I think winning cures everything, it matters alot less what he is doing as far as TD celebrations and such if the team is winning. Look at the Giants, every year everything is fine with Coughlin, up until they go on a losing skid. Then all hell breaks loose.

Personally I don't think this trade happens just too much money would be wrapped up in their offense.
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What are your thoughts on the other 2 points?
If it makes sense to shut down the attention mongering when Cinn is not playing well, then why does it make sense to do the antics when Cinn is playing well? How does that make things better?
When the team is winning, would they maybe do even better if CJ took the Harrison/Wayne/Housh etc... approach and really put the team 1st and became 1 of 60 instead of thinking of himself first?
 
Max Power said:
From Colts Fan Forum...

I'm a little apprehensive about posting this as I can't provide a link, but a source I have close to the team (actually works for the Colts) has informed me that the Colts are talking with Cincy about a trade for Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco) after this season is over. With Marvin's injuries and his age being a major factor in his recovery, he's considering retirement at the end of the season. Indianapolis would send next draft's (2008) 3rd rounder and a 2nd rounder from the 2009 draft.

Will let you know if I hear anything more.
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At the end of a phone conversation discussing all kinds of things, as GMs often do...Bill Polian: By the way, I don't know how I let you talk me into this fantasy league of yours. My team really sucks.

Mike Brown: Yeah it sucks. You have no WRs left. Walker, Harrison, Andre Johnson all hurt. But it's a dynasty league so there's always next year.

Polian: I suppose. Still, I could use some WRs. Speaking of Johnson, you have Chad. Interested in dealing him? I'd give you DeAngelo Williams plus my 2008 3rd rounder and a 2009 2nd rounder.

Brown: I could use a good young RB, with Alexander getting up there in years... tell you what, as long as it's not until after the season I'd go for that.

This Colts employee, a mail room guy and the 'source' of the Internet rumor, comes around the corner delivering the day's mail.

Polian: Great, Mike. Sounds good.

Brown (unheard by this employee): OK, so that's D Williams and... what was it again?

Polian: ...my 2008 3rd rounder and 2009 2nd rounder, for Chad Johnson after the season. It's a done deal then. Gotta go, Mike. Tell all the guys in the Bengals office hi for me. Bye.

 
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Sopranos said:
I for one would not want this.. Let him keep his act in Cincy. We want a guy with class not one missing the cl in it :pickle:
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Winning has a strange way of making people focus on football and spend less time on ballywho.
 
Boot to the Head! said:
thayman said:
Boot to the Head! said:
thayman said:
Sopranos said:
I for one would not want this.. Let him keep his act in Cincy. We want a guy with class not one missing the cl in it :yes:
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What has he done that has lead you to believe that he is not classy?? His TD celebrations/antics have gotten a bit old, but can be funny sometimes. Plus he's not doing them unless the team gets back to a winning record. Housh and others on the team have talked about what a great teammate he is. When you consider how many Bengals have had off field problems, and been arrested, he has never been in trouble.
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Human nature being what it is, do you think the majority of CJ's teammates enjoy seeing all the attention on Sportscenter etc... focussed on CJ's next TD antics plan, or would they rather see the rest of the team get featured for what they actually do on the field? Do you think, subconsciously, the team blocks as hard for CJ as they do for someone that plays hard AND keeps their mouth shut, like Housh?

Do you think it was CJ's idea to shut down his skits, or was it maybe on a suggestion from the coach or ownership or his teammates or his agent?

If it makes sense to shut down the attention mongering when Cinn is not playing well, then why does it make sense to do the antics when Cinn is playing well? How does that make things better?

When the team is winning, would they maybe do even better if CJ took the Harrison/Wayne/Housh etc... approach and really put the team 1st and became 1 of 60 instead of thinking of himself first?
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I don't know what the Bengals subconsciously are thinking. I'm going to assume that it's a team game and they block hard for anyone that can get them in the endzone.Does it matter who's idea it was to shut down his antics? If it was the coaches/owenership/teamates all that proves is that he is a good team player by abiding by their wishes and listening to them.

And I think winning cures everything, it matters alot less what he is doing as far as TD celebrations and such if the team is winning. Look at the Giants, every year everything is fine with Coughlin, up until they go on a losing skid. Then all hell breaks loose.

Personally I don't think this trade happens just too much money would be wrapped up in their offense.
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What are your thoughts on the other 2 points?
If it makes sense to shut down the attention mongering when Cinn is not playing well, then why does it make sense to do the antics when Cinn is playing well? How does that make things better?
When the team is winning, would they maybe do even better if CJ took the Harrison/Wayne/Housh etc... approach and really put the team 1st and became 1 of 60 instead of thinking of himself first?
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It's not that it makes it better, it's just a different story when the team is winning. Should the attention be more on the team and what it is doing when they are playing well? Absolutely, does it make him a awful teammate? No.I could say that if they are winning and Johnson is getting more press for his TD antics and sending Pepto-Bismol to opposing team's DBs as jokes, it puts more focus on Johnson. More defenders want to shut him up and shut him down, creating more opportunities for Housh and the other WRs.

I think most of his things are silly, sometimes funny, but they don't hurt the team. You don't see him in the papers critizing his QB, talking trash about the defense (something he could have easily been doing this year). It always seems like good natured trash talking. Nothing that gives him this label that floats around of him being a bad temmate.

 
thayman said:
Boot to the Head! said:
thayman said:
Boot to the Head! said:
thayman said:
Sopranos said:
I for one would not want this.. Let him keep his act in Cincy. We want a guy with class not one missing the cl in it :goodposting:
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What has he done that has lead you to believe that he is not classy?? His TD celebrations/antics have gotten a bit old, but can be funny sometimes. Plus he's not doing them unless the team gets back to a winning record. Housh and others on the team have talked about what a great teammate he is. When you consider how many Bengals have had off field problems, and been arrested, he has never been in trouble.
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Human nature being what it is, do you think the majority of CJ's teammates enjoy seeing all the attention on Sportscenter etc... focussed on CJ's next TD antics plan, or would they rather see the rest of the team get featured for what they actually do on the field? Do you think, subconsciously, the team blocks as hard for CJ as they do for someone that plays hard AND keeps their mouth shut, like Housh?

Do you think it was CJ's idea to shut down his skits, or was it maybe on a suggestion from the coach or ownership or his teammates or his agent?

If it makes sense to shut down the attention mongering when Cinn is not playing well, then why does it make sense to do the antics when Cinn is playing well? How does that make things better?

When the team is winning, would they maybe do even better if CJ took the Harrison/Wayne/Housh etc... approach and really put the team 1st and became 1 of 60 instead of thinking of himself first?
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I don't know what the Bengals subconsciously are thinking. I'm going to assume that it's a team game and they block hard for anyone that can get them in the endzone.Does it matter who's idea it was to shut down his antics? If it was the coaches/owenership/teamates all that proves is that he is a good team player by abiding by their wishes and listening to them.

And I think winning cures everything, it matters alot less what he is doing as far as TD celebrations and such if the team is winning. Look at the Giants, every year everything is fine with Coughlin, up until they go on a losing skid. Then all hell breaks loose.

Personally I don't think this trade happens just too much money would be wrapped up in their offense.
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What are your thoughts on the other 2 points?
If it makes sense to shut down the attention mongering when Cinn is not playing well, then why does it make sense to do the antics when Cinn is playing well? How does that make things better?
When the team is winning, would they maybe do even better if CJ took the Harrison/Wayne/Housh etc... approach and really put the team 1st and became 1 of 60 instead of thinking of himself first?
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It's not that it makes it better, it's just a different story when the team is winning. Should the attention be more on the team and what it is doing when they are playing well? Absolutely, does it make him a awful teammate? No.I could say that if they are winning and Johnson is getting more press for his TD antics and sending Pepto-Bismol to opposing team's DBs as jokes, it puts more focus on Johnson. More defenders want to shut him up and shut him down, creating more opportunities for Housh and the other WRs.

I think most of his things are silly, sometimes funny, but they don't hurt the team. You don't see him in the papers critizing his QB, talking trash about the defense (something he could have easily been doing this year). It always seems like good natured trash talking. Nothing that gives him this label that floats around of him being a bad temmate.
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People have different opinions about CJ, no doubt.He's an awesome talent, but his need to be the center of attention hurts the team more than most think IMO and subtracts from the contributions his skills add to the team.

If the rumors are true that the Bengals are shopping CJ, that's a hint that mgmt feels that way too.

I think your take that his riling up the opposing team's DBs ends up being a positive is way optimistic, I think it's much more likely that creating bulletin board material for the other team hurts your team.

I also think as the Bengals lose more games, CJ's behavior will get worse. :confused:

 
I can see how people can think that his touchdown celebration antics are ridiculous, but in no way does Chad Johnson come anywhere close to being a locker room cancer -- either because of his antics or otherwise -- the same way TO or even Moss was.

Just not seeing why Cinci would trade him on the basis of him being disruptive to the team. Yes, he draws media like flies to the honeybucket, but from my perspective, this is a guy who has worked hard, who strapped up and put up during the course of his career.

 
Max Power said:
I usually find that team fan forums are a great place to get player updates. Owning Harrison this year, you can bet I have been hanging around Colts.com a lot this season. I ran across this thread and thought I would share.

From Colts Fan Forum...

I'm a little apprehensive about posting this as I can't provide a link, but a source I have close to the team (actually works for the Colts) has informed me that the Colts are talking with Cincy about a trade for Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco) after this season is over. With Marvin's injuries and his age being a major factor in his recovery, he's considering retirement at the end of the season. Indianapolis would send next draft's (2008) 3rd rounder and a 2nd rounder from the 2009 draft.

Will let you know if I hear anything more.

http://forum.colts.com/showthread.php?t=23669

The guy seems like a respectable poster, but I could be wrong.
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I think you're wrong.
 
I think a real sleeper team in all this would be Carolina if Chad were to get traded. They are ALWAYS looking for a WR to play opposite Steve Smith, and he and Chad were Junior College teammates and are good friends off the field. I think that would really make whatever QB will be playing there next year successful, having those 2 monster WR's to throw to.

 
Let me ask the Colts fans (and nay sayers) a question. Would you have wanted Randy Moss before this year on your team? No. You would have said the Colts are a class act and Moss is a trouble maker. Enter Moss to the Pats.

Colts admin. is planning in matching the Pats move since Moss has been a success story.

The colts are definitely looking at a move like this IMHO.

It makes no sense to go and draft another 1st rounder at WR. Gonzalez was expected to fall in with Harrison and Wayne. They were hoping to get another year or two out of Marvin. It looks like Marvin is banged up. Maybe retirement?

 
Stompin said:
Just not seeing why Cinci would trade him on the basis of him being disruptive to the team. Yes, he draws media like flies to the honeybucket, but from my perspective, this is a guy who has worked hard, who strapped up and put up during the course of his career.
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Listening to local sports talk (philly market), the talk was of Johnson wanting out of Cincy. Not about Cincy wanting to get rid of him. IIRC, the issue is Johnson doesn't get along with CHenry.
 
suchislife said:
Stompin said:
Just not seeing why Cinci would trade him on the basis of him being disruptive to the team. Yes, he draws media like flies to the honeybucket, but from my perspective, this is a guy who has worked hard, who strapped up and put up during the course of his career.
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Listening to local sports talk (philly market), the talk was of Johnson wanting out of Cincy. Not about Cincy wanting to get rid of him. IIRC, the issue is Johnson doesn't get along with CHenry.
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Then you get rid of C. Henry. No Brainer!
 
Something's going on there in Cinci with Johnson. He's got 44 catches for 3 TDs. Houshmanzadeh has 58 catches for 9 TDs. So right now, CJ isnt even playing like the best WR on his own team. And I wonder with each additional TD that Housh catches, just how happy Ocho really is about it. He loves to celebrate his own scores. How much does he celebrate when the other guys score?? Thats the question I have. Because those other TDs are just as important to the team as his own.

 
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