Chad Johnson wants a trade---Why? (1 Viewer)

[tikitime]

Has something happened over the last year or so that I am not aware of?

He still gets a ton of balls thrown his way, he is in a prolific passing offense. I think he gets along OK with his coach. I know the defense there sucks, but he isn't necessarily a win first guy (see his oblique reference to Parcells giving him a call). As far as I know his salary is not an issue.

Anyone?

 

[JAA]

CJ wants money

CJ wants exposure

 

[Loopdog]

....or he wants to win. One or the other.

 

[tikitime]

CJ wants money

CJ wants exposure Perhaps this is the only issue?

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2415464Under his existing contract, Johnson would have earned $5.75 million in 2006-2007 and the base salaries due him through 2009 totaled $12.15 million. The new contract will pay Johnson $16 million between this season and 2007 and, assuming the Bengals exercise the option for 2011, a total of $35.5 million. That's a whopping $10.75 million in "new money" for the extension portion of the contract.

Johnson will receive a $5 million signing bonus, a $250,000 reporting bonus, a $250,000 workout bonus and a base salary of $2.75 million for 2006. That base salary is the same as he was scheduled to make under his previous contract. In 2007, he is due a $3.5 million option bonus, a reporting bonus of $1.5 million, a $250,000 workout bonus and a $2.5 million base salary.

The base salaries for the balance of the deal are as follows: $3 million (for 2008), $4.5 million (2009), $5 million (2010) and $6 million (2011). There are workout bonuses of $250,000 in each of those seasons. If the Bengals do not exercise the option for the 2011 campaign, they must make Johnson a non-exercise payment of $3.5 million.

I'm not sure how much better he is doing than this elsewhere.

 

[massraider]

Wouldn't you be sick of the crap going on in Cincy?

And mentioning that he wants to join Parcells isn't really proof that he doesn't want to win. I'm not a Parcells guy, but I think most people think it's a step in the right direction.

 

[tikitime]

Wouldn't you be sick of the crap going on in Cincy? Isn't he part of the "crap"?

And mentioning that he wants to join Parcells isn't really proof that he doesn't want to win. I'm not a Parcells guy, but I think most people think it's a step in the right direction. Fair point, but he's not 25 years old. He just turned 30, and it would seem to me like going to the dolphins, you are AT BEST 3 years from teh playoffs

 

[Banger]

Housh.

 

[BringItOn]

Housh.

CJ doesn't want to be a #1A or #1B. he wants to be #1 Period. If I recall, he and Palmer were building a great individual rapport together studying the likes of Manning/Harrison trying to develop that sixth sense. With the development of Housh, perhaps that doesn't happen, or just isn't needed, therefore CJ's feelings are hurt/ego bruised-whatever, so he wants to go elsewhere.

 

[Biabreakable]

I cannot help wondering what he might do for the Vikings.

 

[Kirby]

Housh.

CJ doesn't want to be a #1A or #1B. he wants to be #1 Period. If I recall, he and Palmer were building a great individual rapport together studying the likes of Manning/Harrison trying to develop that sixth sense. With the development of Housh, perhaps that doesn't happen, or just isn't needed, therefore CJ's feelings are hurt/ego bruised-whatever, so he wants to go elsewhere.

x3He wants the spotlight all to himself... that's not happening when you have a receiver with better hands and better stats lining up across from you.

 

[Colin Dowling]

I cannot help wondering what he might do for the Vikings.

I can't help wondering how awesome Chris Henry would be if he played as the 1b or #2 instead of as the 3.

 

[yellowdog]

Housh is on Sirius NFL radio right now with Schein and Wilcots. He said, of Palmer's 20 INTs, 5 were probably Chad's fault, and 3 or 4 were his own fault.

 

[Garts]

I cannot help wondering what he might do for the Vikings.

I can't help wondering how awesome Chris Henry would be if he played as the 1b or #2 instead of as the 3.

Great for 2 games and then he gets busted for drinking with underagers again..

 

[Chaka]

The reason he wants a trade is because he wants a new contract, which Cinci won't give him. The reason he wants a new contract is because he changed agents to Drew Rosenhaus, and Drew doesn't get paid until Chad gets a new contract. Therefore he is advising Chad that the best thing to do is carp like a whiny little schoolgirl until he gets so annoying Cinci will have no choice but to trade him.

Drew needs to get paid.

 

[RC94]

The reason he wants a trade is because he wants a new contract, which Cinci won't give him. The reason he wants a new contract is because he changed agents to Drew Rosenhaus, and Drew doesn't get paid until Chad gets a new contract. Therefore he is advising Chad that the best thing to do is carp like a whiny little schoolgirl until he gets so annoying Cinci will have no choice but to trade him.Drew needs to get paid.

It does seem a little too coincidental that whenever you hear about one of these whinny jackasses, his agent happens to be Rosenhaus. It's not like Chad wasn't like that before (to a degree at least), but this episode seems to have Drew's fingerprints on it.

 

[joefootball]

Johnson strikes me as a guy who will never be happy with anything and will always be a selfish player who likes to complain. He is the exact type of guy I would not want on my team.

 

[FavreCo]

Manure mouth's latest:

ESPN's John Clayton reports WR Chad Johnson arrived late to the Pro Bowl, but he definitely made an impact. Unfortunately for him, it wasn't a good one. Johnson, who wants to force a trade from the Cincinnati Bengals, did a light NFL Network interview with Jamie Dukes but he blew off the national reporters waiting to talk to him. The scene wasn't pretty. At one point, he brushed aside a NFL public relations representative who tried to stop him because it's mandatory that Pro Bowl players do interviews. Johnson faces a possible fine. Drew Rosenhaus, Johnson's agent, was in attendance at Thursday's practice. He said he is quietly working behind the scenes to fix the situation. Johnson isn't giving him much help. He was prickly dealing with the media Thursday, which is unusual for one of the most accessible players in the sport. In the NFL Network interview, Johnson seemingly talked in code. With no follow up questions, it was hard to get his point. Johnson said he wanted those in the Bengals organization who have been speaking out against him to go public with their complaints. He said he was hearing them for 16 weeks. "But now I don't hear them," Johnson said. "Where are you at now? It's time to let it out. The only voice I hear is mine." The receiver is at his fifth Pro Bowl, replacing New England's Randy Moss, and he defended his self-promoting manner and discussed his performances. "Consistently, I've done it," he said in the NFL Network interview, according to The Associated Press. "I haven't done it perfect, but consistently at a high level. I get out of line at times, but what great one doesn't? What great one doesn't get emotional? Find me a great one who hasn't done it like that and I'll be quiet."

Marvin Harrison, now #### you pathetic loser.

 

[laxiepoo]

Wouldn't you be sick of the crap going on in Cincy?

He _IS_ part of the crap that goes on in Cincy. When they trade him, it'll be addition by subtraction for sure. It worked for the NY Football Giants - no Tiki (retired), no Shockey (injured), no distractions.If you get Sirius NFL, you heard TJ Houshmanzadeh today talk about how the team is now complaining about Chad in the locker room. Time for Chad to move on.

Interesting thoughts too, and I'm just echoing what I heard there, but certainly Miami, Tampa, or possibly Jacksonville could benefit by a big-time wide-out like CJ. Cincy worked wonders by moving then-trouble-maker Corey Dillon. I firmly believe they need to move Chad away and give both CJ and the Bengals a fresh start.

 

[Christo]

Has something happened over the last year or so that I am not aware of?He still gets a ton of balls thrown his way, he is in a prolific passing offense. I think he gets along OK with his coach. I know the defense there sucks, but he isn't necessarily a win first guy (see his oblique reference to Parcells giving him a call). As far as I know his salary is not an issue.Anyone?

Would you want to play in Cincy?

 

[Das Boot]

Wow.

No one, and I mean no one, could have predicted Chad Johnson, of all people, would become a troublemaker for Cinn.

This is a stunning development.

Yep, just stunning.

 

[Neil Beaufort Zod]

Chad Johnson wants to be the first, second and third option in the passing game. TJ is just as good as he is, and that bothers him. He doesn't want to be a role player.

 

[DoubleG]

Wouldn't you be sick of the crap going on in Cincy?

He _IS_ part of the crap that goes on in Cincy. When they trade him, it'll be addition by subtraction for sure. It worked for the NY Football Giants - no Tiki (retired), no Shockey (injured), no distractions.If you get Sirius NFL, you heard TJ Houshmanzadeh today talk about how the team is now complaining about Chad in the locker room. Time for Chad to move on.

Interesting thoughts too, and I'm just echoing what I heard there, but certainly Miami, Tampa, or possibly Jacksonville could benefit by a big-time wide-out like CJ. Cincy worked wonders by moving then-trouble-maker Corey Dillon. I firmly believe they need to move Chad away and give both CJ and the Bengals a fresh start.

Please don't do this. I'm happy with the Giants right now. It's kinda like when people sign their posts.BTW, your avatar is the foshizzle.

 

[ichris]

Johnson strikes me as a guy who will never be happy with anything and will always be a selfish player who likes to complain. He is the exact type of guy I would not want on my team.

Respectfully disagree, bud.

 

[NY/NJMFDIVER]

If I were the Jets, I'd be on the blower for him in a minute, because attitude issues aside, he's exactly the type of playmaker they need. His prescence alone could make them a playoff team.

 

[joefootball]

For the money Johnson will cost and the baggage that comes with him I do not think he is worth the trouble. His ability is great I just dont think he is a championship type player.

 

[Banger]

If he was only as good as he thinks he is....

 

[azngangster]

Chad Johnson wants to be the first, second and third option in the passing game. TJ is just as good as he is, and that bothers him. He doesn't want to be a role player.

A role player? 93 catches for 1440 yds and 8 tds is a role player?Some of you guys are delusional. The guy has six straight 1000 yd seasons and is a 4 time pro bowler. Why wouldn't you want a guy like that on your team? You all like he is a cancer to this organization. Look at some of the other players who have played for us like Corey Dillon and Takeo Spikes. They both wanted to get out of here and once they left, they did just fine on other teams.Up until this year, Chad seems to have loved playing for the Bengals, which is rare for a franchise that has been mediocre since the early 1990s. If we trade Chad, our wr corps is shot since Housh is better suited for the second wr role, and chris henry is one drug suspension away from being out of here. Outside of those two wrs, we have nobody. And to say tj housh is the better wr does not make sense, since chad takes all of the double coverage away from housh, and chad still finished with more yards (less catches and tds respectively). I can see where chad would need a change of scenery, but who wouldn't. It is hard to be a bengals fan when we have been a joke of a franchise for years, and now there are trade talks for one of our best players, and one of the 9 or so bengals who wasnt arrested.Our defense is the problem, not the offense. And Carson Palmer was mediocre in many games this year, and our offensive playcalling was lackluster at best at many points this season. Chad is one of the good parts of our team, if we traded him, how would it make us that much better? With the bengals, we would probably trade him for some draft pick that would still take us a couple of years to groom, and then we would lose all explosion at the wr position, one of the strong points on our team. Our offense would decrease considerably because our running game was awful last year. You all would be comfortable with housh as the number 1 wr and chris henry as the number 2 wr? Yup, trading Chad would be a great idea.

 

[redman]

Housh.

CJ doesn't want to be a #1A or #1B. he wants to be #1 Period. If I recall, he and Palmer were building a great individual rapport together studying the likes of Manning/Harrison trying to develop that sixth sense. With the development of Housh, perhaps that doesn't happen, or just isn't needed, therefore CJ's feelings are hurt/ego bruised-whatever, so he wants to go elsewhere.

x3He wants the spotlight all to himself... that's not happening when you have a receiver with better hands and better stats lining up across from you.

Wow, just pathetic. The irony of a player wanting the spotlight and needing to be traded away from a prolific passing offense to find it must be lost on Johnson. I guess he's just not enough of a star to get his own spotlight.

 

[Das Boot]

Chad Johnson wants to be the first, second and third option in the passing game. TJ is just as good as he is, and that bothers him. He doesn't want to be a role player.

A role player? 93 catches for 1440 yds and 8 tds is a role player?Some of you guys are delusional. The guy has six straight 1000 yd seasons and is a 4 time pro bowler. Why wouldn't you want a guy like that on your team? You all like he is a cancer to this organization. Look at some of the other players who have played for us like Corey Dillon and Takeo Spikes. They both wanted to get out of here and once they left, they did just fine on other teams.Up until this year, Chad seems to have loved playing for the Bengals, which is rare for a franchise that has been mediocre since the early 1990s. If we trade Chad, our wr corps is shot since Housh is better suited for the second wr role, and chris henry is one drug suspension away from being out of here. Outside of those two wrs, we have nobody. And to say tj housh is the better wr does not make sense, since chad takes all of the double coverage away from housh, and chad still finished with more yards (less catches and tds respectively). I can see where chad would need a change of scenery, but who wouldn't. It is hard to be a bengals fan when we have been a joke of a franchise for years, and now there are trade talks for one of our best players, and one of the 9 or so bengals who wasnt arrested.Our defense is the problem, not the offense. And Carson Palmer was mediocre in many games this year, and our offensive playcalling was lackluster at best at many points this season. Chad is one of the good parts of our team, if we traded him, how would it make us that much better? With the bengals, we would probably trade him for some draft pick that would still take us a couple of years to groom, and then we would lose all explosion at the wr position, one of the strong points on our team. Our offense would decrease considerably because our running game was awful last year. You all would be comfortable with housh as the number 1 wr and chris henry as the number 2 wr? Yup, trading Chad would be a great idea.

And what will your opinion be if Chad continues becoming more and more of a distraction/problem for the Bengals?He has already started openly campaigning for a trade - likely egged on by the advice of Rosenhaus.No one with any common sense denies Chad's ability or the fact that his presence on the football field helps the Bengals.But you have to subtract some unquantifiable amount for the headaches and problems he brings into the locker room.I think the amount you have to subtract has grown quite a bit over the last season and this off-season.The bottom line is what the team is left with after subtracting the "cancer factor".In the Bengals case, sadly, Chad almost certainly still comes out on the positive side from the pure business perspective of fielding the most competitive team possible, even when subtracting out the trouble and headaches he causes the team.But as he ages and his skills start slipping and injuries take their toll, and if/as his "cancer factor" increases, there will reach a point where he no longer represents positive value to the team.Of course the rest of the league will know that as well, so the Bengals dilemma is when to trade him in order to maximize value.For now though, with what it would cost the Bengals in dollars to trade him and what they'd get for him, it's still well worth holding on to him.But without the above considerations, I think they'd move him in a heartbeat.

 

[FUBAR]

The reason he wants a trade is because he wants a new contract, which Cinci won't give him. The reason he wants a new contract is because he changed agents to Drew Rosenhaus, and Drew doesn't get paid until Chad gets a new contract. Therefore he is advising Chad that the best thing to do is carp like a whiny little schoolgirl until he gets so annoying Cinci will have no choice but to trade him.Drew needs to get paid.

It does seem a little too coincidental that whenever you hear about one of these whinny jackasses, his agent happens to be Rosenhaus. It's not like Chad wasn't like that before (to a degree at least), but this episode seems to have Drew's fingerprints on it.

Seems Rosenhaus draws the jackasses of the world. They probably get along well, always out for #1 irregardless of anyone else or how they're perceived.

 

[Wingnut]

And right now, in the 2nd quarter, Housh has 2tds in this years pro bowl to CJ's none.

 

[chidoy]

Chad Johnson wants to be the first, second and third option in the passing game. TJ is just as good as he is, and that bothers him. He doesn't want to be a role player.

A role player? 93 catches for 1440 yds and 8 tds is a role player?Some of you guys are delusional. The guy has six straight 1000 yd seasons and is a 4 time pro bowler. Why wouldn't you want a guy like that on your team? You all like he is a cancer to this organization. Look at some of the other players who have played for us like Corey Dillon and Takeo Spikes. They both wanted to get out of here and once they left, they did just fine on other teams.Up until this year, Chad seems to have loved playing for the Bengals, which is rare for a franchise that has been mediocre since the early 1990s. If we trade Chad, our wr corps is shot since Housh is better suited for the second wr role, and chris henry is one drug suspension away from being out of here. Outside of those two wrs, we have nobody. And to say tj housh is the better wr does not make sense, since chad takes all of the double coverage away from housh, and chad still finished with more yards (less catches and tds respectively). I can see where chad would need a change of scenery, but who wouldn't. It is hard to be a bengals fan when we have been a joke of a franchise for years, and now there are trade talks for one of our best players, and one of the 9 or so bengals who wasnt arrested.Our defense is the problem, not the offense. And Carson Palmer was mediocre in many games this year, and our offensive playcalling was lackluster at best at many points this season. Chad is one of the good parts of our team, if we traded him, how would it make us that much better? With the bengals, we would probably trade him for some draft pick that would still take us a couple of years to groom, and then we would lose all explosion at the wr position, one of the strong points on our team. Our offense would decrease considerably because our running game was awful last year. You all would be comfortable with housh as the number 1 wr and chris henry as the number 2 wr? Yup, trading Chad would be a great idea.

no, no... GREAT posting. Right on bro! Some people are delusional.

 

[Slinger]

I'm watching him in studio right now on the NFL Network and, while he's being very vague, guy wants his money, but with another team.

 

[Chachi]

How awesome would this guy be as an Eagle?

 

[Ripleys]

How awesome would this guy be as an Eagle?

Not very, since McNabb only plays half a season per year now.

 

[Bizkiteer]

Housh.

CJ doesn't want to be a #1A or #1B. he wants to be #1 Period. If I recall, he and Palmer were building a great individual rapport together studying the likes of Manning/Harrison trying to develop that sixth sense. With the development of Housh, perhaps that doesn't happen, or just isn't needed, therefore CJ's feelings are hurt/ego bruised-whatever, so he wants to go elsewhere.

x3He wants the spotlight all to himself... that's not happening when you have a receiver with better hands and better stats lining up across from you.

Wow, just pathetic. The irony of a player wanting the spotlight and needing to be traded away from a prolific passing offense to find it must be lost on Johnson. I guess he's just not enough of a star to get his own spotlight.

Red...please don't buy into the horse dung that three quoted on are spitting out. If they knew better, Housh is like a brother to him. They are as close as you can get, so sharing the spotlight with him is nothing. They both were Ducks before they were in the NFL and roommates at that. Anyone who knows a thing about either of them...knows the bond that CJ & Housh have together.Matter of fact, outside of the FF...I'm not sure everyone even know who Housh is, other than the NFL commercial CHAMPIONSHIP. Seriously, this is the perception that many have about CJ. Just like others, these people just jump on the bangwagon and talk out the same end to produce crap.

 

[gianmarco]

How awesome would this guy be as an Eagle?

I don't know, how good is he with bounce passes?

 

[Bizkiteer]

In all honesty, I think it is almost getting to the time that Chad needs to call out the person that has done him wrong. I think he's thrown it out there for them to step up and talk about him now as they did during the season, but nothing. At some point Chad is just going to have to say it because instead of him looking like he's been betrayed (as he clearly shown to feel), then he comes across as whinning.

I have to agree in that something occured, which was the straw that broke the camel's back. He stated that it happened all last season, but something made it final for him. Money is not an issue, as it was pointed out by another person that he's lined up to make significant salary. He feels betrayed by someone in the organization/team and he stated has no desire to be with them. If you cant understand that or it's logic...maybe you haven't left grade school yet.

 

[Max Power]

Has the cap hit number finally been sorted out? I have heard 8mil, 5 mil, and 3.5 mil...

 

[Phurfur]

Wouldn't you be sick of the crap going on in Cincy?And mentioning that he wants to join Parcells isn't really proof that he doesn't want to win. I'm not a Parcells guy, but I think most people think it's a step in the right direction.

CJ is a major part of that crap. He is probably the most selfish person in the NFL right now.

 

[Bri]

swap him with Boldin

 

[Phurfur]

swap him with Boldin

I would take Boldin over CJ in a minute!

 

[Bizkiteer]

swap him with Boldin

I would take Boldin over CJ in a minute!

LOL, don't send the resume off to any team for any vacant GM spots.

 

[Phurfur]

swap him with Boldin

I would take Boldin over CJ in a minute!

LOL, don't send the resume off to any team for any vacant GM spots.

Laugh if you will but if I am building a team, CJ is the last guy I want on it. He is simply a POS. Anyone who intentionally gets his team a 15 yard penalty so he can draw attention to himself is not worth a roster spot. Boldin is younger and much more effective after the catch than CJ is. I don't think I have ever seen him fight for a TD. I see him making the catch and stepping out of bounds. I am sorry but you are WRONG!

 

[EBF]

CJ is a beast. Is he a pain in the ###? Sure. But he works hard and he can help a team win. There would be no shortage of suitors for a receiver of his caliber. I don't think Housh is capable of doing what he does without an elite WR1 next to him, but I think Chad can be a star anywhere. His playing speed and football skills are off the charts.

 

[Kitrick Taylor]

CJ is a beast. Is he a pain in the ###? Sure. But he works hard and he can help a team win. There would be no shortage of suitors for a receiver of his caliber. I don't think Housh is capable of doing what he does without an elite WR1 next to him, but I think Chad can be a star anywhere. His playing speed and football skills are off the charts.

He really did come off as an ##### on the NFL Network tonight. His skills are unquestioned. He's certainly one of the elites of todays WRs. Yet I think he's hurting the Bengals more than he is helping them. At this point he's a distraction and a cancer. Football is the utmost team sport, and championship teams aren't built around players with attitudes like Chads.He may rejuvenate his attitude with another organization, but he's a risky proposition for anyone despite his obvious talents.

 

[Phurfur]

swap him with Boldin

I would take Boldin over CJ in a minute!

LOL, don't send the resume off to any team for any vacant GM spots.

Laugh if you will but if I am building a team, CJ is the last guy I want on it. He is simply a POS. Anyone who intentionally gets his team a 15 yard penalty so he can draw attention to himself is not worth a roster spot. Boldin is younger and much more effective after the catch than CJ is. I don't think I have ever seen him fight for a TD. I see him making the catch and stepping out of bounds. I am sorry but you are WRONG!

Probaly the stupidest post ever. Try actually watching games sometime.

I do, CJ is soft. If he had half the heart of Boldin he might be as good as he thinks he is.

 

[Mikey16x]

In all fairness to CJ... and im a "Q" fan.. anquan does have like 100 pounds him lol... if i was building a team it would also be anquan over CJ any day of the week, twice on sundays. Anquan is the definition of a workhorse... but his yards after the catch have a lot to do with him having the size of a linebacker lol. I mean even with the 10 pounds the camera adds CJ looks like a toothpick, its hard to even imagine him getting yards after the catch.

 

[Blue-Kun]

swap him with Boldin

I would take Boldin over CJ in a minute!

LOL, don't send the resume off to any team for any vacant GM spots.

Laugh if you will but if I am building a team, CJ is the last guy I want on it. He is simply a POS. Anyone who intentionally gets his team a 15 yard penalty so he can draw attention to himself is not worth a roster spot. Boldin is younger and much more effective after the catch than CJ is. I don't think I have ever seen him fight for a TD. I see him making the catch and stepping out of bounds. I am sorry but you are WRONG!

Probaly the stupidest post ever. Try actually watching games sometime.

I do, CJ is soft. If he had half the heart of Boldin he might be as good as he thinks he is.

CJ has skill, trying to make it sound he's some #2 with illusions of grandeur and isn't worth the trouble is incredibly misleading.

 

[AnonymousBob]

While they're both elite talents, I'd also take Boldin over CJ. Imo you won't go wrong taking either one but to call anybody an idiot for liking one over the other is just foolish.

Wow, we've really hijacked this thread.