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***Championship Round Picks*** (1 Viewer)

Jeff Pasquino

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First of all, take these all with a grain of salt.

Secondly, these are for educational purposes only.

Third - I think it is a major mistake to try and predict all games.

My ranking system is based on "Stars", which gauges how strongly I feel about each pick.



Wildcard Weekend was a nice week, as I was able to go 7-2 according to the "star" picks, and last week I wondered if it would continue. Well, not only did it, but somehow I managed to do even better with a 7-1 mark. That's impressive no matter how you slice it, but I will say that there's no chance I will get 7 wins this week as the games just aren't that attractive this week. However, I will give it my best.

Once again I will break a rule and PICK all of the games - but I won't STAR all of them. Several will want my opinion on all of the games, so I'll give them - but that doesn't mean that a friendly wager on the outcome is a great idea. So - each game will have two picks (spread and over/under) but some won't get rated for a play. Yep, a change in format...

Here we go:

NFC CHAMPIONSHIP - Philadelphia Eagles at Arizona Cardinals

Current Lines: Philadelphia -3.5, Over/Under 47

The first time these two got together it wasn't even close. Philadelphia forced two early interceptions and broke out to a big 21-0 lead at home on Thanksgiving Night and the Eagles never looked back on the way to a 48-20 victory.

That was November.

Much has been mentioned about that outcome, but that score doesn't matter this week as Philadelphia travels to Arizona to determine who goes to Super Bowl XLIII. Now who else had that one as their NFC Championship matchup? Come Sunday, the game will start at 0-0 and all that matters will be the two teams and how they match up.

So looking beyond that 48-20 score, can anything be learned from that game? Absolutely.

Let's start with the Philadelphia offense. Donovan McNabb got the start that night after being benched only four days before at what could easily be the lowest point of his NFL career. He rebounded in an incredibly strong first half performance, throwing 15 completions on 19 attempts for 112 yards and two touchdowns. Neither TD was that much of a challenge (two short passes to Westbrook) but the bigger deal was McNabb's rediscovery of his running ability, both in and out of the pocket. On the rare instances where McNabb was under pressure, he bought time within the pocket and kept his eyes downfield and found his third option for a completion. When that wasn't there, he would tuck it and run like the younger version of #5, represented best by his 13-yard scramble to preserve a two minute drill en route towards an extra three points and a 24-7 halftime lead.

Speaking of Westbrook, he had ample running spaces in the first half. He was allegedly less than 100%, but his big offensive line and the overpursuit of a poorly organized Arizona defense gave him tons of open spaces to pick up yardage in chunks as both a rusher and a passer. The offensive line kept McNabb and Westbrook on pace to do what they do best, and I believe that if the Eagles win the trenches on offense it will be another long day for the Cardinals.

Turning to Arizona, Kurt Warner and company tried to do what they do best - throw the ball up and down the field. The Eagles applied good pressure without blitzing very much as Trent Cole visited Warner on several occasions. Larry Fitzgerald and Anquan Boldin both faced press coverage, but the Philadelphia defense was up to the challenge. The Eagles played man-under zone with press coverage on all the receivers including Boldin, Fitzgerald, Steve Breaston and Jerheme Urban. Warner's duress attributed some to his interceptions, but mostly the Eagles were able to apply pressure to both him and his receivers without overselling their blitzes and gambling.

Defensive alignments were interesting to note for the Eagles, especially in the secondary. Nickel coverage was the recipe for the night, but many forget that Asante Samuel was a spectator on the evening as he was out with a neck injury. Sheldon Brown, Quintin Demps and Joselio Hanson were the starting trio at corner (disgruntled Lito Sheppard was pushed down the depth chart) and they played magnificently against a formidable offense. Quintin Mikell (yes, two Quintins) roamed at safety while Brian Dawkins looked for anything to hit.

Fitzgerald and Boldin were limited in the first half to three catches for 18 yards and one TD combined. Boldin both fumbled (Breaston recovered) and dropped a touchdown catch when he heard Dawkins' footsteps heading straight for him. Fitzgerald later scored, but Boldin also dropped a second touchdown later in the contest.

Spinning it forward, I expect much of the same gameplan from the Eagles on defense - press coverage, pressure from the edges, everyone within 10 yards of the line of scrimmage. Force Warner to beat them and force Fitzgerald and Boldin (if he can go at 100%) to beat physical corners. Relying on Trent Cole, Stewart Bradley and Akeem Jordan (his first start was against Arizona) to scoop up any run plays or underneath / short passing attack, it sounds like a very good approach against the Cardinals. Arizona can try and counter this with deeper throws, but Warner needs time to attempt 20-30+ yard tosses. Philadelphia will try the same offense as last time - create space for Westbrook, move the chains with intermediate passes and encourage McNabb to run if he has to on occasion. Big yardage plays weren't needed in November (no run went over 17 yards, and no pass over 25), so if the Eagles spread the ball around and take what is available they should prevail. Again, back in that game McNabb completed three or more passes to six Eagles, including Hank Baskett, LJ Smith and Jason Avant. Avant's been a big plus in the playoffs so far and he easily could be the sleeper WR for the Eagles again on Sunday.

As for picking the game (finally, right?), it is a tough call for me. Philadelphia should win, but many "experts" are siding with Arizona. As a lifetime Eagles fan, how can I not both want the Eagles to win yet fear that somehow it won't come true? Objectively I cannot see them losing either line of scrimmage - the Philadelphia offensive line was dominant the first time around and the defense had Warner under pressure without blitzing - and I believe that this is crucial. The Eagles offense can obviously score lots of points when they are on their game, but so can Arizona. The Cards are playing well, but the Eagles are too and they have more playmakers on that side of the ball than Arizona does. The tiebreaker if anything there is that Philadelphia won the game and dominated without their best corner in Asante Samuel, and he is one of the hottest defenders this side of Ed Reed in the NFL.

With cautious optimism, I say Eagles 34, Arizona 20.



Picks: Philadelphia -3.5 (2 stars)

Over 47 (1 star)

AFC CHAMPIONSHIP - Baltimore Ravens at Pittsburgh Steelers

Current Lines: Pittsburgh -6, Over/Under 34

Third time is the Charm (City)?

I don't think so, unfortunately.

As much as I would like for Baltimore to compete in this contest, I just do not see the game breaking down that way this third time around. I know, I know - the Ravens were incredibly close to beating the Steelers in both matchups this season, but let's take a quick look back. The first game was in Pittsburgh and Baltimore was in command of that game 13-3 at the half and then a costly (and questionable) penalty gave the Steelers the momentum in the third quarter which led to a touchdown and a 13-10 tight score. Following that TD, the Ravens decided to drop young Joe Flacco in just his fourth NFL start back with minimal protection and he was blitzed, fumbled and gave Lamarr Woodley a touchdown to turn the game before Pittsburgh won in OT, 23-20.

The second matchup is best known now for the final score, or questionable score as it were. The play was a catch by Santonio Holmes at the goal line in the final minute where he was tackled and pushed back out of the end zone as he completed the catch. The officials ruled him down at the one-yard line and fourth down and goal, but upon review by instant replay they gave Pittsburgh a touchdown and eventually a four-point lead. In my opinion, regardless of your thoughts on the scoring change, this robbed the league and the fans. First, the league had a great game that was tight and down to the wire - a great contest between two strong teams. The fans were also robbed of getting to see both an interesting coaching decision (kick the field goal and go to OT or go for the win at the goal line on fourth down?). The drama all went from the field to the replay booth, which is exactly why many hate instant replay.

So again, we're talking history. Who cares, right? Well, Ravens fans will point to these two games and say that they have a strong chance to win this game. At face value, I would agree - these two teams at full strength are a great matchup. The problem now is that Baltimore is far from full strength. Terrell Suggs, Derrick Mason, Todd Heap and LeRon McClain are all hurting, as is Samari Rolle. All of those names are big deals for Baltimore. The biggest difference in this game could be the loss of Rolle, since if he cannot go Frank Walker will be forced to start. Big Ben can't wait for that scenario if that happens. All the rest of the Ravens will give it a go and try to play as much as they can, but Suggs could also be inactive.

Looking at the Steelers, they first got a bye and then got away with winning easily against San Diego at home. The Chargers are neither a cold weather team nor a physical team, which greatly helped the Steelers to remain healthy and be ready to play this coming Sunday.

I wish it was more complicated than this and that Baltimore had more than a puncher's chance, but I just don't see it. I've been riding the gravy train of Baltimore's underratedness all year long, but I think that stops on Sunday. Barring another big turnover differential in the Ravens' favor (which is how they beat Tennessee), I cannot help but think that Pittsburgh wins by 7 or more. I will say this - there are a few tricks that John Harbaugh can pull out to try and steal this game. First of all is the "Suggs Package" where Troy Smith comes in to play QB and Flacco rolls out as a wideout. It's gimmicky, yes, but it has been effective at times this season. The other wildcard is a sleeper pick for this game (and for fantasy purposes, 2009) - Ray Rice. Rice has not been used much lately, but expect him to get at least five touches and a few plays could be in the works for him this week. He's quick and shifty in open spaces, and we know how the Steelers handled Sproles when he had running room. Rice could get some big plays for the Ravens and if that defense plays lights out one more time, they have a chance.

My final comment on a possible game-turning player for Baltimore is Jim Leonhard. He's a scrappy safety / DB, and he may have to play more if Rolle is out. He's also a KR/PR and has given the Ravens big plays and yardage all playoff season. Look out for #36.

Okay - time for the pick. Sorry Baltimore, I'd love to see you steal this one, but I have to say that Pittsburgh is the stronger team, at home, and healthier. Third time is not the charm for Charm City. Steelers 27, Baltimore 13.

Picks: Pittsburgh -6 (1 star)

Over 34 (1 star)



SUMMARY:

*ONE STAR GAMES*

Pittsburgh -6 (1 star)

Bal/Pitt Over 34 (1 star)



Phi/Az Over 47 (1 star)

**TWO STAR GAMES**



Philadelphia -3.5 (2 stars)

***THREE STAR GAMES***



NONE.

Good luck this week, and remember that if you are tempting fate and actually wagering on these games to bet with your head and not over it.

Enjoy the games.

Lastly, the record:

Week 1 - Didn't post a thread.

Week 2 - Record:4-3-1. (A tad charitable on the push, but the line moved from 3.5 to 3 on CAR/CHI).

Week 3 - Record: 1-2.

Week 4 - Record: 4-3.

Week 5 - Record: 4-2.

Week 6 - Record: 2-3.

Week 7 - Record: 5-8.

Week 8 - Record: 4-5.

Week 9 - Record: 7-3.

Week 10 - Record: 7-3.

Week 11 - Record: 6-4.

Week 12 - Record: 4-4.

Week 13 - Part 1 - Record: 1-0.

Week 13 - Part 2 - Record: 10-0-1.

Week 14 - Record: 10-6.

Week 15 – Record: 4-8.

Week 16 - Record: 5-7.

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Overall: 80-64-2.



Playoffs:

Wildcard Weekend: 7-2.

Divisional Weekend: 7-1.
 
When it came down to making my actual bets last week (as opposed to what I posted on here), I went 0-7. Awful. Not only were my picks awful, it totally wiped my account out because I wagered heavier than usual. I'm now down a lot for the season. As a Steelers fan going to the game, I completely avoided it. Big mistake because I was dead on with my picks there.

So being an idiot, I refunded my account and hope to recoup some of my losses. Chasing losses...that's a recipe for disaster and I will probably lose even more money this weekend. That said, I agree with every single one of the Jeff's picks. That's probably bad for him. The only one I am shaky on is PHI -4. If Arizona can beat Carolina, anything is possible for them beating the Eagles, in spite of everything Jeff pointed out that shades in the Eagles favor. I'm thinking about going heaviest on a PIT pk/BAL +12 teaser and hoping for a Steelers win by 7.

 
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I don't know, Jeff.

Arizona was quickly taken out of their gameplan (whatever it may have been) with that early 21-0 deficit back in November at Philadelphia and couldn't recover. Since that time the Cardinals have found a way to resuscitate their running game and bring some much needed balance to their offense. Warner is still the key, obviously, as I'm sure Whisenhunt and Grimm are well-aware. Protection will be a high priority. Delayed handoffs and swing passes will be used to keep Philly's front seven honest. Though the Eagles defense has had success to this point, they've yet to register a sack in the playoffs. I think there's a blueprint out there.

This time around, I think it will be the Eagles playing a more one-dimensional game. For whatever reason, Reid just prefers to play it that way. While Westbrook will get his touches, I think they need to look to Buckhalter to help generate a running game. We'll see how they call it. In any case, Arizona's defense seems to have discovered themselves. Playing in front of their home crowd will only benefit them in forcing McNabb into mistakes or throwing balls into the dirt, creating 3rd and longs. This is where McNabb has historically faltered. If they get him flustered early, it could be a long, uphill battle. No knock on McNabb, but Warner has the better head for this kind of game.

It could very well be the Eagles trying to play catch-up this time around. Yes, the Eagles had success in slowing down the Cardinals wide receivers last time, much thanks to that early 21-0 lead. As you pointed out in your opening, it's 0-0 now. They're going to have to focus on stopping the run this time. With Dawkins hovering around Fitzgerald, that may not be so easy.

I'll take the home team and the points.

 
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Once I saw the Philly line at 3.5 (instead of 4), it was obvious who you were taking. Typical. :yes:
Once again you've posted in one of my pick threads and added nothing. Typical.If you're complaining about -3.5 not rather than -4, you might want to check your sources for the line.
I still see 4. Link. No offense, but you do this a lot.Good luck. :goodposting:
I thought that's what you were insinuating - wasn't certain.I always confirm my lines using VegasInsider.com. Right now, there's no less than seven casinos listing PHI -3.5. Some aren't as big as others, but Caesar's has it, IP, the Venetian and also Stratosphere. That's good enough for me.

Regardless of whatever side I take, I'm always going to lean towards the best line. That's just smart to do. :cry:

 
I don't know, Jeff.

Arizona was quickly taken out of their gameplan (whatever it may have been) with that early 21-0 deficit back in November at Philadelphia and couldn't recover. Since that time the Cardinals have found a way to resuscitate their running game and bring some much needed balance to their offense. Warner is still the key, obviously, as I'm sure Whisenhunt and Grimm are well-aware. Protection will be a high priority. Delayed handoffs and swing passes will be used to keep Philly's front seven honest. Though the Eagles defense has had success to this point, they've yet to register a sack in the playoffs. I think there's a blueprint out there.
I agree about the pressure from Philly against NYG - zero sacks and few hurries. Eli had all day but he threw ducks quite often even without being hurried.That said, those two games (and all games before them) mean NOTHING, except for the PHI-AZ matchup. Throw that score away and look at the matchups on the field. The Eagles got pressure on Warner, and Trent Cole was often on the other side of the ball and wreaking havoc. Stephen Spach is out (their best blocking TE) which hurts Arizona. I expect the Cards to go 4-wide with Breaston, Fitz, Boldin and Urban and try and spread the field, but that didn't work well last time.

The key for Jim Johnson's defense is to play nickel and trust their coverage schemes. Mikell will be playing over the top as will Dawkins, but both will pick their spots and drop down into the box. It's up to Warner to be accurate and not make mistakes. Boldin has a terrible game against the Eagles with dropped TDs and two fumbles. He seemed skittish over the middle with Dawkins teeing him up.

This time around, I think it will be the Eagles playing a more one-dimensional game. For whatever reason, Reid just prefers to play it that way. While Westbrook will get his touches, I think they need to look to Buckhalter to help generate a running game. We'll see how they call it. In any case, Arizona's defense seems to have discovered themselves. Playing in front of their home crowd will only benefit them in forcing McNabb into mistakes or throwing balls into the dirt, creating 3rd and longs. This is where McNabb has historically faltered. If they get him flustered early, it could be a long, uphill battle. No knock on McNabb, but Warner has the better head for this kind of game.

It could very well be the Eagles trying to play catch-up this time around. Yes, the Eagles had success in slowing down the Cardinals wide receivers last time, much thanks to that early 21-0 lead. As you pointed out in your opening, it's 0-0 now. They're going to have to focus on stopping the run this time. With Dawkins hovering around Fitzgerald, that may not be so easy.

I'll take the home team and the points.
Good luck with that, I'm not guaranteeing any of these outcomes, but I like the breakdown of how I see this game.And by the way, in the PHI-AZ game the Eagles had 40 runs and 40 passes.

 
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I don't know, Jeff.

Arizona was quickly taken out of their gameplan (whatever it may have been) with that early 21-0 deficit back in November at Philadelphia and couldn't recover. Since that time the Cardinals have found a way to resuscitate their running game and bring some much needed balance to their offense. Warner is still the key, obviously, as I'm sure Whisenhunt and Grimm are well-aware. Protection will be a high priority. Delayed handoffs and swing passes will be used to keep Philly's front seven honest. Though the Eagles defense has had success to this point, they've yet to register a sack in the playoffs. I think there's a blueprint out there.
I agree about the pressure from Philly against NYG - zero sacks and few hurries. Eli had all day but he threw ducks quite often even without being hurried.That said, those two games (and all games before them) mean NOTHING, except for the PHI-AZ matchup. Throw that score away and look at the matchups on the field. The Eagles got pressure on Warner, and Trent Cole was often on the other side of the ball and wreaking havoc. Stephen Spach is out (their best blocking TE) which hurts Arizona. I expect the Cards to go 4-wide with Breaston, Fitz, Boldin and Urban and try and spread the field, but that didn't work well last time.

The key for Jim Johnson's defense is to play nickel and trust their coverage schemes. Mikell will be playing over the top as will Dawkins, but both will pick their spots and drop down into the box. It's up to Warner to be accurate and not make mistakes. Boldin has a terrible game against the Eagles with dropped TDs and two fumbles. He seemed skittish over the middle with Dawkins teeing him up.

This time around, I think it will be the Eagles playing a more one-dimensional game. For whatever reason, Reid just prefers to play it that way. While Westbrook will get his touches, I think they need to look to Buckhalter to help generate a running game. We'll see how they call it. In any case, Arizona's defense seems to have discovered themselves. Playing in front of their home crowd will only benefit them in forcing McNabb into mistakes or throwing balls into the dirt, creating 3rd and longs. This is where McNabb has historically faltered. If they get him flustered early, it could be a long, uphill battle. No knock on McNabb, but Warner has the better head for this kind of game.

It could very well be the Eagles trying to play catch-up this time around. Yes, the Eagles had success in slowing down the Cardinals wide receivers last time, much thanks to that early 21-0 lead. As you pointed out in your opening, it's 0-0 now. They're going to have to focus on stopping the run this time. With Dawkins hovering around Fitzgerald, that may not be so easy.

I'll take the home team and the points.
Good luck with that, I'm not guaranteeing any of these outcomes, but I like the breakdown of how I see this game.And by the way, in the PHI-AZ game the Eagles had 40 runs and 40 passes.
I think having that big lead dictated that.
 
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And by the way, in the PHI-AZ game the Eagles had 40 runs and 40 passes.
I think having that big lead dictated that.
You might want to double-check the facts.At half, Philadelphia had 20 runs and 19 passes. Granted 3 runs were by McNabb, so you could say that the playcalls were 17-22 run-pass, but that's still very balanced.

If you try and say that "well they were up 21-0 before then....", let's go further:

First drive: 6 runs, 6 pass calls (one McNabb scramble). Touchdown. 7-0.

Second drive: 3 runs. Touchdown. 14-0.

Third drive: 3 passes. Punt.

Fourth drive: 6 runs, 4 passes. Touchdown. 21-0.

So in 4 drives, they ran 15 times and called pass 13 times.

The fifth and final drive of the first half started with 2:58 left. McNabb ran a 2-minute drill and it was pass-heavy due to the clock as they had 10 of 11 plays as called passes (he did run it twice).

As for the end of the game focusing on the run, certainly. However they were balanced throughout and only the 2-min drive before halftime was heavy on the pass.

 
Arizona has had great clarity in their game plans and precision in their execution. They are playing with the confidence of a team that KNOWS they are going to win as opposed to hoping. Much like with the Giants last year, people are still looking at them with the picture of how they played in the regular season way too prominent in their minds. They have played the best football of any team in the playoffs and I have no idea why they are giving points at home, where they get to play in ideal conditions. McNabb is also due for a stinker, and Philly's offense has been middling at best. Arizona straight up to win looks like a real nice bet.

Baltimore is banged up and their D is running out of gas. They didn't stop Tennessee as much as Tennessee stopped themselves. The Steelers unveiled a back to the roots offensive game plan last week, Parker is fresh and running strong, the offense has great tempo, the o-line is peaking, and Big Ben looks comfortable. Baltimore's only hope is scoring on defense or long passes like they did last week, but 13 won't be enough. Steelers look like the bet here.

 
Arizona has had great clarity in their game plans and precision in their execution. They are playing with the confidence of a team that KNOWS they are going to win as opposed to hoping. Much like with the Giants last year, people are still looking at them with the picture of how they played in the regular season way too prominent in their minds. They have played the best football of any team in the playoffs and I have no idea why they are giving points at home, where they get to play in ideal conditions. McNabb is also due for a stinker, and Philly's offense has been middling at best. Arizona straight up to win looks like a real nice bet.Baltimore is banged up and their D is running out of gas. They didn't stop Tennessee as much as Tennessee stopped themselves. The Steelers unveiled a back to the roots offensive game plan last week, Parker is fresh and running strong, the offense has great tempo, the o-line is peaking, and Big Ben looks comfortable. Baltimore's only hope is scoring on defense or long passes like they did last week, but 13 won't be enough. Steelers look like the bet here.
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Arizona has had great clarity in their game plans and precision in their execution. They are playing with the confidence of a team that KNOWS they are going to win as opposed to hoping. Much like with the Giants last year, people are still looking at them with the picture of how they played in the regular season way too prominent in their minds. They have played the best football of any team in the playoffs and I have no idea why they are giving points at home, where they get to play in ideal conditions. McNabb is also due for a stinker, and Philly's offense has been middling at best. Arizona straight up to win looks like a real nice bet.
Replace Philly with Arizona and Warner with McNabb, and this reads nearly the same aside from the point spread comment.This doesn't really get down into why Arizona would win. Philadelphia looks stronger on both sides of the trenches, which I believe will be the deciding factor.
Baltimore is banged up and their D is running out of gas. They didn't stop Tennessee as much as Tennessee stopped themselves. The Steelers unveiled a back to the roots offensive game plan last week, Parker is fresh and running strong, the offense has great tempo, the o-line is peaking, and Big Ben looks comfortable. Baltimore's only hope is scoring on defense or long passes like they did last week, but 13 won't be enough. Steelers look like the bet here.
At least we agree here.
 
I'll agree with both of those breakdowns as well. I'm not sure where the confidence is coming from for the Cards after the Caronlina game. They didn't win that game as so much as it was handed to them. And to say they were taken out of their game plan after falling behind against the Eagles is just plain wrong. Their game plan is to throw. They are a pass-first team. So falling behind by 3 TDs feeds into what they do best. And they still couldn't produce. I realize they're at home in this one, but they still ranked 22nd against the pass (compared to Philly's 3rd) and 16th against the run (compared to Philly's 4th).

The Eagles have already beaten two of the best running teams in the NFL with two of the best running defenses in the league. The Cards defense is playing inspired right now? How do you know, since Jake Delhomme didn't make them prove it.

I like the picks here and would venture to say the Eagles win this one going away . . . just my 2 homerific cents

 
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Arizona has had great clarity in their game plans and precision in their execution. They are playing with the confidence of a team that KNOWS they are going to win as opposed to hoping. Much like with the Giants last year, people are still looking at them with the picture of how they played in the regular season way too prominent in their minds. They have played the best football of any team in the playoffs and I have no idea why they are giving points at home, where they get to play in ideal conditions.
I love the people going to the Jimmy Johnson/unstoppable blitz card, as if Warner hasn't TORCHED blitzes a million times in his career.
 
It also isn't like Arizona was completely out of the first Philly game. It was 34-20 with over 14 minutes to play, and the Cards can put up points in a hurry.

 
Arizona has had great clarity in their game plans and precision in their execution. They are playing with the confidence of a team that KNOWS they are going to win as opposed to hoping. Much like with the Giants last year, people are still looking at them with the picture of how they played in the regular season way too prominent in their minds. They have played the best football of any team in the playoffs and I have no idea why they are giving points at home, where they get to play in ideal conditions.
I love the people going to the Jimmy Johnson/unstoppable blitz card, as if Warner hasn't TORCHED blitzes a million times in his career.
Blitz alone = problems.Blitz alone + good press coverage = good defensive game plan against Arizona.
 
Arizona has had great clarity in their game plans and precision in their execution. They are playing with the confidence of a team that KNOWS they are going to win as opposed to hoping. Much like with the Giants last year, people are still looking at them with the picture of how they played in the regular season way too prominent in their minds. They have played the best football of any team in the playoffs and I have no idea why they are giving points at home, where they get to play in ideal conditions. McNabb is also due for a stinker, and Philly's offense has been middling at best. Arizona straight up to win looks like a real nice bet.
Replace Philly with Arizona and Warner with McNabb, and this reads nearly the same aside from the point spread comment.This doesn't really get down into why Arizona would win. Philadelphia looks stronger on both sides of the trenches, which I believe will be the deciding factor.
Philly has been playing B football, it just happens that their opponents have been playing worse. Arizona has brought their A game. Do you really feel like McNabb has played well in the first two games? Or that Philly had the opposing defenses reeling the way Arizona did? Philly's one offensive TD vs. Minnesota was basically a capitulation moment, not a triumph of game planning or execution. They did better against the Giants, but that would have been a game right down to the end if Eli hadn't stunk it up. The Giants were able to get good yards consistently with Ward and Jacobs, Eli just couldn't seal the deal and get touchdowns instead of field goals. On the defensive side, as you said, they got little pressure on Eli (and once again, they didn't stop the run).Arizona looks just as strong as Philly up front on D. Antonio Smith and Darnell Dockett are both playing their best football of the year, and Dansby and Hayes are bringing it while they clog up the line of scrimmage. Philly's OL didn't look that good to me vs. Minnesota, while Arizona's OL defanged both Abraham and Peppers. Why Arizona will win just comes down to them playing better football right now, and being in ideal conditions for their offense. Arizona straight up took both of their wins, while Philly ran into a team with a terrible game plan on O and overwhelmed QB (Minnesota) and a team that couldn't convert when it counted on O (NY). Their D deserves some credit for thwarting Eli, but they haven't flummoxed the opposing QB like Arizona did to Delhomme and Ryan (at least in the 1st and 3rd quarters)
 
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Arizona has had great clarity in their game plans and precision in their execution. They are playing with the confidence of a team that KNOWS they are going to win as opposed to hoping. Much like with the Giants last year, people are still looking at them with the picture of how they played in the regular season way too prominent in their minds. They have played the best football of any team in the playoffs and I have no idea why they are giving points at home, where they get to play in ideal conditions. McNabb is also due for a stinker, and Philly's offense has been middling at best. Arizona straight up to win looks like a real nice bet.
Replace Philly with Arizona and Warner with McNabb, and this reads nearly the same aside from the point spread comment.This doesn't really get down into why Arizona would win. Philadelphia looks stronger on both sides of the trenches, which I believe will be the deciding factor.
Philly has been playing B football, it just happens that their opponents have been playing worse. Arizona has brought their A game. Do you really feel like McNabb has played well in the first two games? Or that Philly had the opposing defenses reeling the way Arizona did? Philly's one offensive TD vs. Minnesota was basically a capitulation moment, not a triumph of game planning or execution. They did better against the Giants, but that would have been a game right down to the end if Eli hadn't stunk it up. The Giants were able to get good yards consistently with Ward and Jacobs, Eli just couldn't seal the deal and get touchdowns instead of field goals. On the defensive side, as you said, they got little pressure on Eli (and once again, they didn't stop the run).Arizona looks just as strong as Philly up front on D. Antonio Smith and Darnell Dockett are both playing their best football of the year, and Dansby and Hayes are bringing it while they clog up the line of scrimmage. Philly's OL didn't look that good to me vs. Minnesota, while Arizona's OL defanged both Abraham and Peppers. Why Arizona will win just comes down to them playing better football right now, and being in ideal conditions for their offense. Arizona straight up took both of their wins, while Philly ran into a team with a terrible game plan on O and overwhelmed QB (Minnesota) and a team that couldn't convert when it counted on O (NY). Their D deserves some credit for thwarting Eli, but they haven't flummoxed the opposing QB like Arizona did to Delhomme and Ryan (at least in the 1st and 3rd quarters)
Philly has gone on the road to much more hostile environments (MIN dome, Giants Stadium) and taken out the opposition with their defense.As to McNabb - yes, at times he has looked very good. While he isn't lighting up the sky with TD after TD, he played in a windy Giants Stadium and completed over 50% of his passes and he looked authoritative and calm in the pocket. He had the Giants defense guessing and often incorrectly as McNabb pumped the ball in one direction then hit his second or third target.We'll see how things do in a climate more suitable to offense. Philadelphia can score a number of points when they are healthy and playing their "A" game.The Eagles have more talent on defense than Arizona, while Arizona's offense when clicking is near or at the top of the league. If those two elements cancel each other, I'll look towards the battle of the offensive and defensive lines. That's where I go with this one and why I pick the Eagles.I guess that's why they play the games, isn't it?
 
The Eagles have more talent on defense than Arizona
I don't know if this is true. Adrian Wilson is the premier strong safety in the NFC and Karlos Dansby is an elite LB. Trent Cole and Asante Samuel are among the best in the conference at their position. Both teams have some rising stars like Mikell and Jordan for Philly and Rolle and DRC for Arizona. Both have some vets who are summoning up great efforts like Dawkins for Philly and Berry for Arizona. Philly's defense definitely outplayed Arizona's in the regular season, but that doesn't mean that they are more talented, and I definitely can't say Philly's D has played better than Arizona's during the playoffs.
 
The Eagles have more talent on defense than Arizona
I don't know if this is true. Adrian Wilson is the premier strong safety in the NFC and Karlos Dansby is an elite LB. Trent Cole and Asante Samuel are among the best in the conference at their position. Both teams have some rising stars like Mikell and Jordan for Philly and Rolle and DRC for Arizona. Both have some vets who are summoning up great efforts like Dawkins for Philly and Berry for Arizona. Philly's defense definitely outplayed Arizona's in the regular season, but that doesn't mean that they are more talented, and I definitely can't say Philly's D has played better than Arizona's during the playoffs.
This is true - both sides have a wealth of talent and the Cards are more underrated than the Eagles. However, one could also argue that this is deservedly so for as often as they got their hats handed to them with multiple 40+ scores against that defense.As for Arizona playing better in the playoffs, they did a good job of expediting the implosion of Jake Delhomme. Carolina would have been better to keep running rather than becoming one dimensional, which could easily be argued as zero-dimensional. Back against Atlanta, they keyed on Ryan and his snapcount which was a weakness in both the rookie QB and the coach. That mistake cost them that came (and the fact that Keith Brooking didn't drop back on 3rd and 14 with the game on the line). Arizona yielded 24 points to Atlanta. The Eagles kept the Giants out of the end zone and gave up just one TD to the league's top rushing RB. It's a debate that could easily continue, but at this point I think we'll just have to agree to disagree and see how it plays out. Again, none of that matters come Sunday.
 
:wall:

Once I saw the Philly line at 3.5 (instead of 4), it was obvious who you were taking. Typical. :wall:
Once again you've posted in one of my pick threads and added nothing. Typical.If you're complaining about -3.5 not rather than -4, you might want to check your sources for the line.
I still see 4. Link. No offense, but you do this a lot.Good luck. :wall:
I thought that's what you were insinuating - wasn't certain.I always confirm my lines using VegasInsider.com. Right now, there's no less than seven casinos listing PHI -3.5.
It's the same now for my link as well. Yesterday, when you posted, that was not the case. That's all I'm saying.
 
Arizona has had great clarity in their game plans and precision in their execution. They are playing with the confidence of a team that KNOWS they are going to win as opposed to hoping. Much like with the Giants last year, people are still looking at them with the picture of how they played in the regular season way too prominent in their minds. They have played the best football of any team in the playoffs and I have no idea why they are giving points at home, where they get to play in ideal conditions. McNabb is also due for a stinker, and Philly's offense has been middling at best. Arizona straight up to win looks like a real nice bet.
Replace Philly with Arizona and Warner with McNabb, and this reads nearly the same aside from the point spread comment.This doesn't really get down into why Arizona would win. Philadelphia looks stronger on both sides of the trenches, which I believe will be the deciding factor.
Philly has been playing B football, it just happens that their opponents have been playing worse. Arizona has brought their A game. Do you really feel like McNabb has played well in the first two games? Or that Philly had the opposing defenses reeling the way Arizona did? Philly's one offensive TD vs. Minnesota was basically a capitulation moment, not a triumph of game planning or execution. They did better against the Giants, but that would have been a game right down to the end if Eli hadn't stunk it up. The Giants were able to get good yards consistently with Ward and Jacobs, Eli just couldn't seal the deal and get touchdowns instead of field goals. On the defensive side, as you said, they got little pressure on Eli (and once again, they didn't stop the run).

Arizona looks just as strong as Philly up front on D. Antonio Smith and Darnell Dockett are both playing their best football of the year, and Dansby and Hayes are bringing it while they clog up the line of scrimmage. Philly's OL didn't look that good to me vs. Minnesota, while Arizona's OL defanged both Abraham and Peppers.

Why Arizona will win just comes down to them playing better football right now, and being in ideal conditions for their offense. Arizona straight up took both of their wins, while Philly ran into a team with a terrible game plan on O and overwhelmed QB (Minnesota) and a team that couldn't convert when it counted on O (NY). Their D deserves some credit for thwarting Eli, but they haven't flummoxed the opposing QB like Arizona did to Delhomme and Ryan (at least in the 1st and 3rd quarters)
BOTH teams have run into bad QB play. The difference being, I think philly d is largely responsible for how poorly jackson and manning in particular played, while Ryan psyched himself out and Delhomme crapped the bed.
 
I think Jeff provided an excellent analysis of the Thanksgiving game! Well done, sincerely.

But concluding that those teams performances that night have such a significant baring on the NFCCG may be dramatically flawed, costing those who are placing bets on that basis quite a few stars.

I would have much preferred to hear a winning (+4) game plan that addresses the Cardinals team that has been playing since Christmas. If you are suggesting that the AZ ground game can be dismissed, Warner's protection will evaporate, three 1k yard WR's can be played straight up, AZ's game changing DL penetration equalized, ball hawking play makers (of the 3+ turnovers per game variety) will not be a factor, and a that an electric HFA will not be underestimated, because of the Thanksgiving game or because you "just can't see it" then I'm not quite convinced Philly -4 is the best play.

Hey you never know though, the team that flew to Philly 3 days after slugging it out with the Giants to play a frigid game on the east coast after all but securing a playoff berth to play a desperate, (very talented and under performing as well) team fighting for survival, might show up on Sunday?

-FEDERAL

 
Here is what I remember about the Arizona game. Yes, they were down early, but once they found their rhythm they were well on their way to coming back. They were down by 14 and got the ball back on their own 10, coming off of two straight touchdown drives I believe. Warner opened the drive with a 10 yard completion to Boldin, and he fumbled the ball (It was actually recovered by Philly). That gave the Eagles a short field and they put the game away with a touchdown. My point, I feel like despite the Cardinals playing as poorly as they did, they had a chance to come back in that game but blew it. I think it was closer than the final score indicated, and Warner takes care of the ball better at home than on the road. (8 turnovers at home to 13 on the road). Maybe I'm wrong on this one and Philly wins it, but I think Arizona probably wins it outright, making Cardinals +3.5 the best bet.

 
Sigmund Bloom said:
Arizona has had great clarity in their game plans and precision in their execution. They are playing with the confidence of a team that KNOWS they are going to win as opposed to hoping. Much like with the Giants last year, people are still looking at them with the picture of how they played in the regular season way too prominent in their minds. They have played the best football of any team in the playoffs and I have no idea why they are giving points at home, where they get to play in ideal conditions. McNabb is also due for a stinker, and Philly's offense has been middling at best. Arizona straight up to win looks like a real nice bet.
I think that short-changes what the Eagles have done. They just went on the road, to New York, and blew out the #1 seed and defending super bowl champion Giants. The Giants are a very good team and they made them look bad by stuffing their running game on 4th and short...twice! And holding New York to a bunch of field goals.I'm not sure if the Eagles have ever played better. Furthermore, when the Eagles have lost this year, its tended to be against teams with good defense and more conservative gameplans on offense. These Eagles lose to the Redskins twice, to the Ravens, the Bears, the Giants once. When these Eagles face a more wide-open attack they crush their opponent. Blew out Arizona by 28. Dallas was beaten 44-6. These Eagles just don't get beaten through the air.I don't think the Cardinals are built to beat the Eagles.
 
No defense that has ever given up more than 360 regular season points has ever even made it to the Super Bowl. (2006 Colts). Only 2 teams have given up more than 310 points and even made it to the Super Bowl. The 2006 Colts were already an outlier to make it to the Super Bowl.

The Cardinals gave up 426 (66 more than the 2006 Colts!) and had a whopping season-long point differential of 1.

On the other hand, the Eagles scored 416 points and gave up 289 - and their defense is playing better now.

Let's look at the remaining playoff teams:

Team - Points Per Game Differential

Philly 7.94

Baltimore 8.81

Pittsburgh 7.75

Arizona .0625 (yes, 1/16 of one point per game)

LEAST DOMINANT SUPER BOWL WINNERS

Team PPG Differential

1980 Raiders 3.62

2006 Colts 4.19

1988 49ers 4.68

1987 Redskins 5.88

2001 Patriots 6.19

If Arizona wins today, it would an historic statistical outlier. If they won the Super Bowl, it would be an OFF THE CHARTS victory. It will not happen. They will lose today.

The problem is that the Cardinals have run out of mediocre NFC South teams to play. It is time to play a team that did not fatten up on lesser competition, but battled the NFC East all season long.

I predict Philly winning 31-13, with Warner getting sacked 3-4 times, pressured all day and throwing 2 picks.

 
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No defense that has ever given up more than 360 regular season points has ever even made it to the Super Bowl. (2006 Colts). Only 2 teams have given up more than 310 points and even made it to the Super Bowl. The 2006 Colts were already an outlier to make it to the Super Bowl. The Cardinals gave up 426 (66 more than the 2006 Colts!) and had a whopping season-long point differential of 1. On the other hand, the Eagles scored 416 points and gave up 289 - and their defense is playing better now.Let's look at the remaining playoff teams:Team - Points Per Game Differential Philly 7.94Baltimore 8.81Pittsburgh 7.75Arizona .0625 (yes, 1/16 of one point per game)LEAST DOMINANT SUPER BOWL WINNERSTeam PPG Differential1980 Raiders 3.622006 Colts 4.191988 49ers 4.681987 Redskins 5.882001 Patriots 6.19If Arizona wins today, it would an historic statistical outlier. If they won the Super Bowl, it would be an OFF THE CHARTS victory. It will not happen. They will lose today. The problem is that the Cardinals have run out of mediocre NFC South teams to play. It is time to play a team that did not fatten up on lesser competition, but battled the NFC East all season long. I predict Philly winning 31-13, with Warner getting sacked 3-4 times, pressured all day and throwing 2 picks.
Wow. This is pretty convincing. Good stuff.
 
No defense that has ever given up more than 360 regular season points has ever even made it to the Super Bowl. (2006 Colts). Only 2 teams have given up more than 310 points and even made it to the Super Bowl. The 2006 Colts were already an outlier to make it to the Super Bowl.

The Cardinals gave up 426 (66 more than the 2006 Colts!) and had a whopping season-long point differential of 1.

On the other hand, the Eagles scored 416 points and gave up 289 - and their defense is playing better now.

Let's look at the remaining playoff teams:

Team - Points Per Game Differential

Philly 7.94

Baltimore 8.81

Pittsburgh 7.75

Arizona .0625 (yes, 1/16 of one point per game)

LEAST DOMINANT SUPER BOWL WINNERS

Team PPG Differential

1980 Raiders 3.62

2006 Colts 4.19

1988 49ers 4.68

1987 Redskins 5.88

2001 Patriots 6.19

If Arizona wins today, it would an historic statistical outlier. If they won the Super Bowl, it would be an OFF THE CHARTS victory. It will not happen. They will lose today.

The problem is that the Cardinals have run out of mediocre NFC South teams to play. It is time to play a team that did not fatten up on lesser competition, but battled the NFC East all season long.

I predict Philly winning 31-13, with Warner getting sacked 3-4 times, pressured all day and throwing 2 picks.
Bingo!
 
Sonny Lubick Blow Up Doll said:
Jeff Pasquino said:
Sonny Lubick Blow Up Doll said:
Jeff Pasquino said:
Sonny Lubick Blow Up Doll said:
:cry:

Once I saw the Philly line at 3.5 (instead of 4), it was obvious who you were taking. Typical. :yes:
Once again you've posted in one of my pick threads and added nothing. Typical.If you're complaining about -3.5 not rather than -4, you might want to check your sources for the line.
I still see 4. Link. No offense, but you do this a lot.Good luck. :goodposting:
I thought that's what you were insinuating - wasn't certain.I always confirm my lines using VegasInsider.com. Right now, there's no less than seven casinos listing PHI -3.5.
It's the same now for my link as well. Yesterday, when you posted, that was not the case. That's all I'm saying.
I saw some books with 3.5 and others with 4 yesterday. Stop being a tool.
 
No defense that has ever given up more than 360 regular season points has ever even made it to the Super Bowl. (2006 Colts). Only 2 teams have given up more than 310 points and even made it to the Super Bowl. The 2006 Colts were already an outlier to make it to the Super Bowl. The Cardinals gave up 426 (66 more than the 2006 Colts!) and had a whopping season-long point differential of 1. On the other hand, the Eagles scored 416 points and gave up 289 - and their defense is playing better now.Let's look at the remaining playoff teams:Team - Points Per Game Differential Philly 7.94Baltimore 8.81Pittsburgh 7.75Arizona .0625 (yes, 1/16 of one point per game)LEAST DOMINANT SUPER BOWL WINNERSTeam PPG Differential1980 Raiders 3.622006 Colts 4.191988 49ers 4.681987 Redskins 5.882001 Patriots 6.19If Arizona wins today, it would an historic statistical outlier. If they won the Super Bowl, it would be an OFF THE CHARTS victory. It will not happen. They will lose today. The problem is that the Cardinals have run out of mediocre NFC South teams to play. It is time to play a team that did not fatten up on lesser competition, but battled the NFC East all season long. I predict Philly winning 31-13, with Warner getting sacked 3-4 times, pressured all day and throwing 2 picks.
History changes every day. The season is long over and playoffs will always come down to who is playing the better football in January.That would be Arizona. After shutting down Michael Turner and the two-headed monster in Carolina, I don't see the Eagles posing any threat with their running game AT Arizona. As the postseason progresses, more emphasis is placed on QB play. Warner simply makes better decisions with the football. Edgerrin James is re-energized, as the Cardinals are rushing for 40 more yards-per-game in the playoffs than they did in the regular season. Better offensive balance will only help the Cardinals control the clock and the pace of this game. The home field advantage will allow the Cardinals all the more momentum. The run of road team wins ends today in both conferences. All signs point to an Arizona win. Getting the points is just gravy. Cardinals 27-20.
 
Jeff Pasquino said:
Sonny Lubick Blow Up Doll said:
Jeff Pasquino said:
Sonny Lubick Blow Up Doll said:
:lmao:

Once I saw the Philly line at 3.5 (instead of 4), it was obvious who you were taking. Typical. :yes:
Once again you've posted in one of my pick threads and added nothing. Typical.If you're complaining about -3.5 not rather than -4, you might want to check your sources for the line.
I still see 4. Link. No offense, but you do this a lot.Good luck. :thumbup:
I thought that's what you were insinuating - wasn't certain.I always confirm my lines using VegasInsider.com. Right now, there's no less than seven casinos listing PHI -3.5. Some aren't as big as others, but Caesar's has it, IP, the Venetian and also Stratosphere. That's good enough for me.

Regardless of whatever side I take, I'm always going to lean towards the best line. That's just smart to do. :shrug:
Vegas Insider is a great source for accurate lines.and BTW, the number has moved to PHILLY -3 at the Sands and the Hilton.

 
The Eagles D has given up 1 TD pass in 6 weeks. It was a one yard pass by the Giants. The Cards didn't get one on Thanksgiving until we scored 31.

I think the Eagles pass D and front 7 is awesome. Warner is great but he kinda folds against Jim Johnson. I don't think Arizona's D is even close.

 
In my best imitation of Lt. Columbo, "just one more thing."

From afar, it would appear that the Eagles (along with their fans) have thoughts of "Super Bowl" dancing in their heads while the Cardinals' concentration is on winning this game.

 
No defense that has ever given up more than

The problem is that the Cardinals have run out of mediocre NFC South teams to play. It is time to play a team that did not fatten up on lesser competition, but battled the NFC East all season long.

I predict Philly winning 31-13, with Warner getting sacked 3-4 times, pressured all day and throwing 2 picks.
Bingo!
Hold on a sec here, what are you basing this statement on? The NFC South teams combined had more wins than any other division. I don't put much stock into beating Atlanta, but I do put stock in the way they shut down two of the best running teams in the league, and I sure as heck put stock in them annihilating Carolina on the road.
 
No defense that has ever given up more than

The problem is that the Cardinals have run out of mediocre NFC South teams to play. It is time to play a team that did not fatten up on lesser competition, but battled the NFC East all season long.

I predict Philly winning 31-13, with Warner getting sacked 3-4 times, pressured all day and throwing 2 picks.
Bingo!
Hold on a sec here, what are you basing this statement on? The NFC South teams combined had more wins than any other division. I don't put much stock into beating Atlanta, but I do put stock in the way they shut down two of the best running teams in the league, and I sure as heck put stock in them annihilating Carolina on the road.
Yup, and that's why I've repeatedly heard the argument that they are "arguably the best division in football." Must be nice to play the NFC north and AFC west. In games against the NFC East, the NFC South is a big 0-4.

That said, the beat down they gave Carolina was impressive. I'm not surprised they won, Carolina's secondary played terribly down the stretch. But the way they got them off their game and forced Delhomme to try to beat them was impressive.

 
No defense that has ever given up more than

The problem is that the Cardinals have run out of mediocre NFC South teams to play. It is time to play a team that did not fatten up on lesser competition, but battled the NFC East all season long.

I predict Philly winning 31-13, with Warner getting sacked 3-4 times, pressured all day and throwing 2 picks.
Bingo!
Hold on a sec here, what are you basing this statement on? The NFC South teams combined had more wins than any other division. I don't put much stock into beating Atlanta, but I do put stock in the way they shut down two of the best running teams in the league, and I sure as heck put stock in them annihilating Carolina on the road.
Carolina had the 15th best defense and Atlanta the 22nd best defense in the NFL (using Footballoutsiders.com rankings). Carolina had the #7 offense and Atlanta had the #10 offense. Two great records, absolutely, but both teams had cupcake schedules in 2008. Based on the stats, they were slightly better than average teams. The fact that they both lost their first playoff game and made another mediocre team (Arizona) look good doing so proves it. Arizona only beat Atlanta and their rookie QB by 6 points at home and that is after winning the turnover battle 3-1, a thoroughly mediocre victory. Jake Delhomme pretty much precluded anyone from making an honest evaluation of the Carolina game, due to all of his turnovers.

 
No defense that has ever given up more than

The problem is that the Cardinals have run out of mediocre NFC South teams to play. It is time to play a team that did not fatten up on lesser competition, but battled the NFC East all season long.

I predict Philly winning 31-13, with Warner getting sacked 3-4 times, pressured all day and throwing 2 picks.
Bingo!
Hold on a sec here, what are you basing this statement on? The NFC South teams combined had more wins than any other division. I don't put much stock into beating Atlanta, but I do put stock in the way they shut down two of the best running teams in the league, and I sure as heck put stock in them annihilating Carolina on the road.
Carolina had the 15th best defense and Atlanta the 22nd best defense in the NFL (using Footballoutsiders.com rankings). Carolina had the #7 offense and Atlanta had the #10 offense. Two great records, absolutely, but both teams had cupcake schedules in 2008. Based on the stats, they were slightly better than average teams. The fact that they both lost their first playoff game and made another mediocre team (Arizona) look good doing so proves it. Arizona only beat Atlanta and their rookie QB by 6 points at home and that is after winning the turnover battle 3-1, a thoroughly mediocre victory. Jake Delhomme pretty much precluded anyone from making an honest evaluation of the Carolina game, due to all of his turnovers.
Fair enough - I stand corrected.I'm starting to get analysis paralysis here...I have no idea who I want to bet on now...

 
Jeff Pasquino said:
Sonny Lubick Blow Up Doll said:
Jeff Pasquino said:
Sonny Lubick Blow Up Doll said:
:lmao:

Once I saw the Philly line at 3.5 (instead of 4), it was obvious who you were taking. Typical. :banned:
Once again you've posted in one of my pick threads and added nothing. Typical.If you're complaining about -3.5 not rather than -4, you might want to check your sources for the line.
I still see 4. Link. No offense, but you do this a lot.Good luck. :confused:
I thought that's what you were insinuating - wasn't certain.I always confirm my lines using VegasInsider.com. Right now, there's no less than seven casinos listing PHI -3.5. Some aren't as big as others, but Caesar's has it, IP, the Venetian and also Stratosphere. That's good enough for me.

Regardless of whatever side I take, I'm always going to lean towards the best line. That's just smart to do. :lmao:
Vegas Insider is a great source for accurate lines.and BTW, the number has moved to PHILLY -3 at the Sands and the Hilton.
The line was 4 on Friday, period, and he knows it.
 
Jeff Pasquino said:
Sonny Lubick Blow Up Doll said:
Jeff Pasquino said:
Sonny Lubick Blow Up Doll said:
:lmao:

Once I saw the Philly line at 3.5 (instead of 4), it was obvious who you were taking. Typical. :yes:
Once again you've posted in one of my pick threads and added nothing. Typical.If you're complaining about -3.5 not rather than -4, you might want to check your sources for the line.
I still see 4. Link. No offense, but you do this a lot.Good luck. :thumbup:
I thought that's what you were insinuating - wasn't certain.I always confirm my lines using VegasInsider.com. Right now, there's no less than seven casinos listing PHI -3.5. Some aren't as big as others, but Caesar's has it, IP, the Venetian and also Stratosphere. That's good enough for me.

Regardless of whatever side I take, I'm always going to lean towards the best line. That's just smart to do. :wall:
Vegas Insider is a great source for accurate lines.and BTW, the number has moved to PHILLY -3 at the Sands and the Hilton.
The line was 4 on Friday, period, and he knows it.
God he clearly says he expected Philly to win by 2 touchdowns. The difference between 3 and 4 doesn't matter too much then slugger. i hope your life isn't so pathetic you have to stir up stupid #### like this in forums. god, let it go and go worry about more important things
 
:lmao:

Once I saw the Philly line at 3.5 (instead of 4), it was obvious who you were taking. Typical. :yes:
Once again you've posted in one of my pick threads and added nothing. Typical.If you're complaining about -3.5 not rather than -4, you might want to check your sources for the line.
I still see 4. Link. No offense, but you do this a lot.Good luck. :confused:
I thought that's what you were insinuating - wasn't certain.I always confirm my lines using VegasInsider.com. Right now, there's no less than seven casinos listing PHI -3.5. Some aren't as big as others, but Caesar's has it, IP, the Venetian and also Stratosphere. That's good enough for me.

Regardless of whatever side I take, I'm always going to lean towards the best line. That's just smart to do. :confused:
Vegas Insider is a great source for accurate lines.and BTW, the number has moved to PHILLY -3 at the Sands and the Hilton.
The line was 4 on Friday, period, and he knows it.
http://www.covers.com/sports/odds/lineHist...3&sport=nflAs you can clearly see here, there was more than 1 book with 3.5, and even one with 3 (-120). If you need help reading the lines, ask a friend or PM me.

You are one small individual. "Period."

Go away.

 

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