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Chargers v Saints in London Oct 26, 2008 (1 Viewer)

:thumbup: , I dunno about other people but I hate games that are moved like this. Not like the London population is ever going to care about american football anyway, more of a novelty to them .
 
If I was a Saints fan I'd be pissed.

They should base the team that loses the home game each year on the franchise that couldn't sell tickets. According to ESPN that would either be IND(by total attendance) or JAX(by % of seats sold).

 
Terrible move taking a game away from the Superdome.

At least let them play in Paris or Montreal, where that Fleur De Lys might sell some merch!

 
http://www.signonsandiego.com/sports/chargers/index.html

Should be a better matchup for the Brits then the Giants/Fish last year

Still think these international games screw the fans of the home team
for what ever reason, there is a huge Dolphins fan base in the UK..and of course they added a team from NY to the mix.but , you're ONLY saying these things because your an Eagle's fan, a team that no one outside of Philly gives a **** about.

:thumbup:

if you guys ever won a SB maybe you'd get included in these int'l games??.. :P

 
http://www.signonsandiego.com/sports/chargers/index.html

Should be a better matchup for the Brits then the Giants/Fish last year

Still think these international games screw the fans of the home team
for what ever reason, there is a huge Dolphins fan base in the UK..and of course they added a team from NY to the mix.but , you're ONLY saying these things because your an Eagle's fan, a team that no one outside of Philly gives a **** about.

:lmao:

if you guys ever won a SB maybe you'd get included in these int'l games??.. :P
Yeah, I mean the Chargers and Saints have won so many Super Bowls that I've lost count... :excited:
 
I hope they don't play on a soccer field again.... Image if LT or Reggie twist an ankle.

And seriously; why does the commish need to force American Football into other countries. Last yr's game was terrible.

 
I hope they don't play on a soccer field again.... Image if LT or Reggie twist an ankle. And seriously; why does the commish need to force American Football into other countries. Last yr's game was terrible.
do you seriously not nunderstand why there is a game in England? $$$. Imagine instead of little brits wearing beckham jerseys they are in LT jerseys.The world is a global market place. Expect more of this not less.
 
If this is a home game for the Saints, shouldn't it be in New Jersey instead of London?

The Chargers often lead the league in total travel miles. This will make it a lock for 2008.

 
I hope they don't play on a soccer field again.... Image if LT or Reggie twist an ankle. And seriously; why does the commish need to force American Football into other countries. Last yr's game was terrible.
LT or Reggie can twist an ankle on a football field as well. How is a soccer field that much different from a football field for footing?Christopher
 
I hope they don't play on a soccer field again.... Image if LT or Reggie twist an ankle.

And seriously; why does the commish need to force American Football into other countries. Last yr's game was terrible.
do you seriously not nunderstand why there is a game in England? $$$. Imagine instead of little brits wearing beckham jerseys they are in LT jerseys.The world is a global market place. Expect more of this not less.
I think the French would really love Ladanian.
 
The Chargers often lead the league in total travel miles. This will make it a lock for 2008.
Really? I would have assumed it was SEA every year. NOBODY is geographically close to SEA.I still say the fans/teams that can't get attendance should be the ones getting punished by losing a home game. Seems like a no-brainer to me. If you can't fill the seats... how can you really complain?
 
Ugh. Saints fans start filling up the Superdome and they ship them off to the UK. Both of these communities need the revenues from the football games thanks to broken levies and wildfires. People don't want the NFL in Europe, least of all the hometown fans and businesses.

I don't want them to send the Saints...but if they do, I hope it's a San Diego home game.

 
Ugh. Saints fans start filling up the Superdome and they ship them off to the UK. Both of these communities need the revenues from the football games thanks to broken levies and wildfires. People don't want the NFL in Europe, least of all the hometown fans and businesses.

I don't want them to send the Saints...but if they do, I hope it's a San Diego home game.
Pretty sure its already set as a NO home game... but hey, at least its not the Giants in NJ. Anway... there's an interesting take on this from SaintsReport...
I've been reading all of the outrage on this board against the NFL for sticking it to the city of New Orleans and Saints fans by taking a home game away next season and sending it to London. So let me offer an opposing point of view:

It's the least we can do.

After all, in the fall of 2005, when Tom Benson was working furiously behind the scenes to take ALL of our home games away and move the franchise permanently to San Antonio, it was the NFL who stepped in and stopped him.

In the spring of 2006, when the Superdome was still in tatters, it was the NFL who said: We're going to help you rebuild it in time for next season, and when you reopen it, we're going to throw you the biggest regular season party this sport has ever seen.

Simply put, the NFL SAVED the New Orleans Saints. If we can pay the league back by eating a home game so they can promote the sport overseas, that's a small price to pay.

I hate to lose a home game, too, especially a marquee game with such a compelling story line (Drew Brees facing off against his old team). But I believe in repaying friends who helped me out when I was down. So I'll gladly do that for the good old NFL, whose bold leadership was the only thing this broken city had going for it for a while there.

Some people around here have short memories. The NFL isn't screwing us. They're just asking us to return a favor. As Southern gentlemen, the correct response should be: You got it, hoss. Let us know if there's anything else we can do to help.
 
Prankster, those are interesting thoughts and very good points. It doesn't make me feel much better, though.

It's tough enough making it to games when I live 5 hours away...but to move a game overseas? I've never cared for overseas NFL games, even when it wasn't my home team. I could care less about the NFL making a few extra bucks and expanding their market.

 
I think the plan is over time every team will loose a home game to these international games

the NFLE did well in Germany I expect them to have games there soon

 
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I hope they don't play on a soccer field again.... Image if LT or Reggie twist an ankle. And seriously; why does the commish need to force American Football into other countries. Last yr's game was terrible.
do you seriously not nunderstand why there is a game in England? $$. Imagine instead of little brits wearing beckham jerseys they are in LT jerseys.The world is a global market place. Expect more of this not less.
Heh.. More likely it is a ploy by the London tourism industry to get more Yanks to come over during the dreary months of the year..
 
What is the first weekend (and Thursday) that games will be played (reg season)?
Traditionally (a very short tradition) it is the Super Bowl winner opening at home. I speculated a week or so ago that if New England wins the SB then it could very well be Patriots vs Steelers. Pittsburgh is New England's only home opponent that made the 2007 playoffs.
 
I think the plan is over time every team will loose a home game to these international games
I believe that is the plan. It is interesting to me that London will get the game two years in a row. I thought for sure they would be rotating it. Makes me kind of nervous that London will get a game every season and then they'll select another city and have that an annual event as well. Before you know it we could have 8 games or more in places like Mexico City, Tokyo, Munich, Madrid, Paris, Berlin, etc.
 
I think the plan is over time every team will loose a home game to these international games
I believe that is the plan. It is interesting to me that London will get the game two years in a row. I thought for sure they would be rotating it. Makes me kind of nervous that London will get a game every season and then they'll select another city and have that an annual event as well. Before you know it we could have 8 games or more in places like Mexico City, Tokyo, Munich, Madrid, Paris, Berlin, etc.
I think London has a 4 year deal to have games
 
I think the plan is over time every team will loose a home game to these international games
I believe that is the plan. It is interesting to me that London will get the game two years in a row. I thought for sure they would be rotating it. Makes me kind of nervous that London will get a game every season and then they'll select another city and have that an annual event as well. Before you know it we could have 8 games or more in places like Mexico City, Tokyo, Munich, Madrid, Paris, Berlin, etc.
I think London has a 4 year deal to have games
That would explain it.Thanks!
 
If I was a Saints fan I'd be pissed. They should base the team that loses the home game each year on the franchise that couldn't sell tickets. According to ESPN that would either be IND(by total attendance) or JAX(by % of seats sold).
How do the Saints continue to get screwed on these "home field" games?
 
First, let me point out that in 2005 we lost all of our home games and now we're losing one more. Second, if you looked at all 32 NFL teams and picked the team that could least afford to lose a home game it would be the Saints. Conventions, tourism and events are coming back in fits and starts and now we're losing a pretty big event. Assuming that we have 2 home preseason games, the companies and vendors that rely on things like the Saints will lose 10% of their NFL revenue next year.

 
Ugh. Saints fans start filling up the Superdome and they ship them off to the UK. Both of these communities need the revenues from the football games thanks to broken levies and wildfires. People don't want the NFL in Europe, least of all the hometown fans and businesses.

I don't want them to send the Saints...but if they do, I hope it's a San Diego home game.
Pretty sure its already set as a NO home game... but hey, at least its not the Giants in NJ. Anway... there's an interesting take on this from SaintsReport...

I've been reading all of the outrage on this board against the NFL for sticking it to the city of New Orleans and Saints fans by taking a home game away next season and sending it to London. So let me offer an opposing point of view:

It's the least we can do.

After all, in the fall of 2005, when Tom Benson was working furiously behind the scenes to take ALL of our home games away and move the franchise permanently to San Antonio, it was the NFL who stepped in and stopped him.

In the spring of 2006, when the Superdome was still in tatters, it was the NFL who said: We're going to help you rebuild it in time for next season, and when you reopen it, we're going to throw you the biggest regular season party this sport has ever seen.

Simply put, the NFL SAVED the New Orleans Saints. If we can pay the league back by eating a home game so they can promote the sport overseas, that's a small price to pay.

I hate to lose a home game, too, especially a marquee game with such a compelling story line (Drew Brees facing off against his old team). But I believe in repaying friends who helped me out when I was down. So I'll gladly do that for the good old NFL, whose bold leadership was the only thing this broken city had going for it for a while there.

Some people around here have short memories. The NFL isn't screwing us. They're just asking us to return a favor. As Southern gentlemen, the correct response should be: You got it, hoss. Let us know if there's anything else we can do to help.
I'm one of the mods at SaintsReport.com, and as such, am very familiar with the disappointment and anger many expressed about losing a home game next year, especially after losing our entire home season just a couple of years ago. The post above was certainly contrary to the vast majority of posts, but I think he has some very valid points. As a long time season ticket holder, I'm not enthused about losing a home game, especially an intriguing matchup with a team that, with the current NFL schedule setup, we get to see once every 8 years in the Dome. But as bicycle_seat_sniffer said, every team will eventually lose a home game. In fact, I read somewhere that the NFL's master plan will likely include 2 international games a year, so that's 2 teams a season which will be losing home games. That amounts to one home game every 16 years that a team will lose, seems a small price to pay for the league to grow the game outside the US. Now, with that said, it again opens up the argument of whether the NFL should be playing any games elsewhere, but that discussion has been debated ad nauseum in other threads...

 
i'm torn on this issue.

on the one hand, watching american football in terrible wimbley stadium just sucks.

on the other hand, it's nice to know that we can enlighten those poor brits. we can sell out their stadium with a sport they know nothing about. if we can do the world a service by bringing democracy to them, it just seems american to enlighten them with football, too. it gives us another chance to demonstrate our cultural superiority to the brits.

 
Ugh. Saints fans start filling up the Superdome and they ship them off to the UK. Both of these communities need the revenues from the football games thanks to broken levies and wildfires. People don't want the NFL in Europe, least of all the hometown fans and businesses.

I don't want them to send the Saints...but if they do, I hope it's a San Diego home game.
Pretty sure its already set as a NO home game... but hey, at least its not the Giants in NJ. Anway... there's an interesting take on this from SaintsReport...

I've been reading all of the outrage on this board against the NFL for sticking it to the city of New Orleans and Saints fans by taking a home game away next season and sending it to London. So let me offer an opposing point of view:

It's the least we can do.

After all, in the fall of 2005, when Tom Benson was working furiously behind the scenes to take ALL of our home games away and move the franchise permanently to San Antonio, it was the NFL who stepped in and stopped him.

In the spring of 2006, when the Superdome was still in tatters, it was the NFL who said: We're going to help you rebuild it in time for next season, and when you reopen it, we're going to throw you the biggest regular season party this sport has ever seen.

Simply put, the NFL SAVED the New Orleans Saints. If we can pay the league back by eating a home game so they can promote the sport overseas, that's a small price to pay.

I hate to lose a home game, too, especially a marquee game with such a compelling story line (Drew Brees facing off against his old team). But I believe in repaying friends who helped me out when I was down. So I'll gladly do that for the good old NFL, whose bold leadership was the only thing this broken city had going for it for a while there.

Some people around here have short memories. The NFL isn't screwing us. They're just asking us to return a favor. As Southern gentlemen, the correct response should be: You got it, hoss. Let us know if there's anything else we can do to help.
I'm one of the mods at SaintsReport.com, and as such, am very familiar with the disappointment and anger many expressed about losing a home game next year, especially after losing our entire home season just a couple of years ago. The post above was certainly contrary to the vast majority of posts, but I think he has some very valid points. As a long time season ticket holder, I'm not enthused about losing a home game, especially an intriguing matchup with a team that, with the current NFL schedule setup, we get to see once every 8 years in the Dome. But as bicycle_seat_sniffer said, every team will eventually lose a home game. In fact, I read somewhere that the NFL's master plan will likely include 2 international games a year, so that's 2 teams a season which will be losing home games. That amounts to one home game every 16 years that a team will lose, seems a small price to pay for the league to grow the game outside the US. Now, with that said, it again opens up the argument of whether the NFL should be playing any games elsewhere, but that discussion has been debated ad nauseum in other threads...
Good post all the way around.
 
Colleague of mine went to the last on of these. He was quite happy with the game. Not sure if he bought any merchandise but he might actually go again this year despite not cheering for any of the four teams involved in the two games.

Also convinced the revenue is split with the teams somehow.

 
:thumbdown: , I dunno about other people but I hate games that are moved like this. Not like the London population is ever going to care about american football anyway, more of a novelty to them .
Unfortunately this is a common attitude. The NFL is huge in the UK/Europe. over 500,000 ticket requests in the first 12 hours for the Giants/Fins game should show you that. To call it a novelty is ignorant to say the least. A novelty was the preseason games played in the UK which advertised Montana as plying, where he had 1 snap and it was 3rd stringers after that. As is the point about it being played on a soccer pitch (don't know where to start on that one). It is the first step to globalising the game and will eventually result in franchises being set up outside America.
 
:) , I dunno about other people but I hate games that are moved like this. Not like the London population is ever going to care about american football anyway, more of a novelty to them .
Unfortunately this is a common attitude. The NFL is huge in the UK/Europe. over 500,000 ticket requests in the first 12 hours for the Giants/Fins game should show you that. To call it a novelty is ignorant to say the least. A novelty was the preseason games played in the UK which advertised Montana as plying, where he had 1 snap and it was 3rd stringers after that. As is the point about it being played on a soccer pitch (don't know where to start on that one). It is the first step to globalising the game and will eventually result in franchises being set up outside America.
trueI got a few british guys at work here and they love american football. they say it's huge over there too, not just the Superbowl but they have told me most every male over there has a team they root for
 
I had the opportunity to watch the PIT/BAL MNF game from London. It is interesting because, the channel they air it on (five IIRC) received the feed from ESPN, and whenever ESPN went to commercial or when they went to half time the channel would switch to studio in England where two sportscasters would answer questions from viewers regarding the game.

Most of the questions were basically ripping the game, asking why this sport was perceived as a tough guy sport. It may seem like I am portraying the NFL viewers there in a negative light. The questions asked, were generally "please explain why this is better than rugby" and "they keep talking about the field conditions, but is doesn't look as bad as the XXXX soccer game" (I cannot remember which soccer game the viewer referenced).

And, it seemed to very few people interested in it. I had to go back to my hotel room to watch it. The pubs I visited had no desire to watch it.

The general feeling I got was it was an unwanted American sport--as on viewer that wrote the show put it "yet another watered down product of America."

Maybe I just went to the wrong bars. Maybe it was just a bad tme of the year.

 
:thumbup: , I dunno about other people but I hate games that are moved like this. Not like the London population is ever going to care about american football anyway, more of a novelty to them .
Unfortunately this is a common attitude. The NFL is huge in the UK/Europe. over 500,000 ticket requests in the first 12 hours for the Giants/Fins game should show you that. To call it a novelty is ignorant to say the least. A novelty was the preseason games played in the UK which advertised Montana as plying, where he had 1 snap and it was 3rd stringers after that. As is the point about it being played on a soccer pitch (don't know where to start on that one). It is the first step to globalising the game and will eventually result in franchises being set up outside America.
trueI got a few british guys at work here and they love american football. they say it's huge over there too, not just the Superbowl but they have told me most every male over there has a team they root for
I don't know why they've been telling you that, but it simply isn't true. There is a small group of very dedicated, hardcore NFL fans in the UK and interest is growing at a steady rate, but the large majority of sports fans in this country couldn't even name an NFL team let alone root for one.Edit: That's not to say that I don't think these games are a bad idea. As I said, interest is growing here and the game at Wembley was a shot in the arm for the viewing figures which increased by about 30% this year (still only about 400,000-500,000 people, but an increase nonetheless). Also if the NFL is willing to the groundwork in Europe now, then the increased interest in the sport in the future will not only increase revenues, but also vastly increase the playing standard of the game. Just think, if (big if of course) the NFL can reach the popularity it has in the US in Europe then you've more than doubled the talent pool for scouts, that can't be a bad thing imho.
 
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If its so huge, whyd they cancel NFLE? I actually semi-enjoyed watching that. Sigh...i dream of a day when soccer isnt the worlds most popular sport. Bout time they started to catch on.

 
:wub: , I dunno about other people but I hate games that are moved like this. Not like the London population is ever going to care about american football anyway, more of a novelty to them .
Unfortunately this is a common attitude. The NFL is huge in the UK/Europe. over 500,000 ticket requests in the first 12 hours for the Giants/Fins game should show you that. To call it a novelty is ignorant to say the least. A novelty was the preseason games played in the UK which advertised Montana as plying, where he had 1 snap and it was 3rd stringers after that. As is the point about it being played on a soccer pitch (don't know where to start on that one). It is the first step to globalising the game and will eventually result in franchises being set up outside America.
trueI got a few british guys at work here and they love american football. they say it's huge over there too, not just the Superbowl but they have told me most every male over there has a team they root for
Even if that's true... why send a game like this over seas? If there truly is a big EURO following of American Football and only one game a year is played over there... they'll buy tickets no matter what the matchup is. The SD/NO matchup would have sold tickets for the Saints but they're robbed of that game while DET and OAK will have trouble selling tickets to some meaningless games. I don't think there would be nearly the # of complaints if the NFL would have sent a game like the DET@OAK game last year(assuming it wasn't the opening game of the season)."2007 NFL Attendance Figures

Posted on January 26, 2008.

Overall attendance at NFL games in 2007 exceeded 17M fans. 256 games were played and those games averaged 69K fans per game.

Highest Average Attendance by NFL Team in 2007:

1) 88,090 - Washington Redskins

2) 78,731 - New York Giants

3) 77,107 - New York Jets

4) 76,777 - Kansas City Chiefs

5) 76,612 - Denver Broncos *

6) 73,403 - Carolina Panthers

7) 73,001 - Cleveland Browns

8) 72,229 - Miami Dolphins

9) 71,153 - Baltimore Ravens *

10) 71,055 - Buffalo Bills

11) 70,805 - Green Bay Packers

12) 70,520 - Houston Texans

13) 70,005 - New Orleans Saints *

14) 69,143 - Tennessee Titans *

15) 68,756 - New England Patriots *

16) 68,396 - Atlanta Falcons

17) 68,194 - Seattle Seahawks *

18) 68,170 - Philadelphia Eagles

19) 68,028 - San Francisco 49ers

20) 65,790 - Cincinnati Bengals *

21) 65,502 - San Diego Chargers

22) 65,316 - Tampa Bay Buccaneers

23) 65,301 - Jacksonville Jaguars

24) 64,581 - Arizona Cardinals

25) 63,535 - Dallas Cowboys

26) 63,256 - Minnesota Vikings

27) 63,044 - St. Louis Rams

28) 62,158 - Chicago Bears *

29) 62,084 - Pittsburgh Steelers

30) 61,305 - Detroit Lions

31) 59,110 - Oakland Raiders

32) 57,305 - Indianapolis Colts *

* = 9 teams that averaged more fans than seats available for home games. Averaged higher than 100% capacity. They can achieve these b/c of standing room only ticket sales. The Raiders averaged the worst at only 93% of capacity.

Source Sports Business Journal Volume 10, Issue 36"

http://fillthemezz.wordpress.com/2008/01/2...ndance-figures/

 
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I don't know why they've been telling you that, but it simply isn't true. There is a small group of very dedicated, hardcore NFL fans in the UK and interest is growing at a steady rate, but the large majority of sports fans in this country couldn't even name an NFL team let alone root for one.
This is 100% exact. I'm european.
Pskov1420 said:
Edit: That's not to say that I don't think these games are a bad idea. As I said, interest is growing here and the game at Wembley was a shot in the arm for the viewing figures which increased by about 30% this year (still only about 400,000-500,000 people, but an increase nonetheless). Also if the NFL is willing to the groundwork in Europe now, then the increased interest in the sport in the future will not only increase revenues, but also vastly increase the playing standard of the game. Just think, if (big if of course) the NFL can reach the popularity it has in the US in Europe then you've more than doubled the talent pool for scouts, that can't be a bad thing imho.
I was in Wembley last october and it was great. When you're the only man in your school/work/town who know something about NFL it's great to meet thousands of people like you for one weekend. I'm sure all this will promote NFL, but that's not too much, when something is really down it's difficult to go lower. There's a better way to promote NFL and nobody has speak about: The NFL can make the european TV networks air one free game per week, now all NFL games are aired on paid sports chanels. I think this will work, perhaps better than the every year match, the first years the NFL will lose some money in their deals, but they can get it in the next years if they became popular.

 
Pskov1420 said:
I don't know why they've been telling you that, but it simply isn't true. There is a small group of very dedicated, hardcore NFL fans in the UK and interest is growing at a steady rate, but the large majority of sports fans in this country couldn't even name an NFL team let alone root for one.
This is 100% exact. I'm european.
Pskov1420 said:
Edit: That's not to say that I don't think these games are a bad idea. As I said, interest is growing here and the game at Wembley was a shot in the arm for the viewing figures which increased by about 30% this year (still only about 400,000-500,000 people, but an increase nonetheless). Also if the NFL is willing to the groundwork in Europe now, then the increased interest in the sport in the future will not only increase revenues, but also vastly increase the playing standard of the game. Just think, if (big if of course) the NFL can reach the popularity it has in the US in Europe then you've more than doubled the talent pool for scouts, that can't be a bad thing imho.
I was in Wembley last october and it was great. When you're the only man in your school/work/town who know something about NFL it's great to meet thousands of people like you for one weekend. I'm sure all this will promote NFL, but that's not too much, when something is really down it's difficult to go lower. There's a better way to promote NFL and nobody has speak about: The NFL can make the european TV networks air one free game per week, now all NFL games are aired on paid sports chanels. I think this will work, perhaps better than the every year match, the first years the NFL will lose some money in their deals, but they can get it in the next years if they became popular.
You're European... would that go over well?I'm only asking because if one of the big three free TV networks was forced by a league from any foreign nation to air Rugby even once a week I don't think it would go over well here in the states. Not well at all. Even if it was in the best interest of the foreign league.

 
Sorry, I wasn't speaking about all the networks, just the ones who want to air NFL (beacuse lots of them have both free and paid channels in the same network).

The NFL could say them: You want NFL? OK, here's my offer, you'll have 4 games per week but 1 must be free.

 
I had the opportunity to watch the PIT/BAL MNF game from London. It is interesting because, the channel they air it on (five IIRC) received the feed from ESPN, and whenever ESPN went to commercial or when they went to half time the channel would switch to studio in England where two sportscasters would answer questions from viewers regarding the game. Most of the questions were basically ripping the game, asking why this sport was perceived as a tough guy sport. It may seem like I am portraying the NFL viewers there in a negative light. The questions asked, were generally "please explain why this is better than rugby" and "they keep talking about the field conditions, but is doesn't look as bad as the XXXX soccer game" (I cannot remember which soccer game the viewer referenced). And, it seemed to very few people interested in it. I had to go back to my hotel room to watch it. The pubs I visited had no desire to watch it.The general feeling I got was it was an unwanted American sport--as on viewer that wrote the show put it "yet another watered down product of America."Maybe I just went to the wrong bars. Maybe it was just a bad tme of the year.
ugh. more typical, baseless America-hate. one of usual Euro complaints is that the NFL players wear pads, somehow making them less tough. but apparently they fail to realize that without pads, these guys would literally kill each other.anyway, I'm not too psyched about the Saints having a home game in a place where most people don't give a crap, but whatever. they put tuna and corn on their pizza, so what do they know? GEAUX SAINTS!!!
 

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