Check in if you owe an apology to Crennel or Coughlin (1 Viewer)

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

Check in here if you owe an apology to either Coach Romeo Crennel or Coughlin. If you were one calling out for a firing earlier this season you may want to repent here today.

Both of these coaches were absolutely taking a beating by fans and media. Under constant duress, these coaches have turned their clubs around and are not only competitive, but winning.

In a day and age where fans are quick to want to give coaches the boot, I applaud the recent efforts of these coaching staffs. I have been impressed by both of these teams as they have played well thru injuries and off the field distractions.

You can fold your arms and keep quiet and take the "wait and see" approach so that you can continue to bash when something else goes wrong (if it does) to prove to yourself that you were not wrong (God forbid such a thing) or you can apologize today and just admit that these coaches must know a little more than you and many others gave them credit for.

 

[tomarken]

Yeah, nothing like a .500 record to prove your detractors wrong....

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

I thought Coach Crennel was completely wrong on his QB situation. I thought he was confused and was losing control of his team. I thought Brady should have been given a shot to start because Anderson was a bumb but I now realize that I wasn't at practice everyday watching what the coaches were seeing. I realize that the 30 or 40 years that he has in football probably does mean something and I wish them the best of luck.

I also realize Brady will have to play REALLY REALLY well to take Anderson's job.

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

Yeah, nothing like a .500 record to prove your detractors wrong....

You have not seen the light I see.BTW, I think you're in the minority if people are honost about Cleveland being .500 at this point. There was talk about them not winning a game after week 1. You act like you expected them to be .500 after that first game loss and the hysteria around the QB situation, gratz on seeing thru that, you know your stuff.

 

[Warpig]

Crennel has "lucked" into his situation. He too thought DA was a bum...or he wouldn't have given Frye so many opportunities. Now DA has looked like a Pro-Bowler (Ok...I'm stretching it here) and you wanna shower Crennel with accolades? Hell no! Crennel is still clueless and even still doesn't know what he has with his team.

If he knew what he had in DA, why trade up to get Quinn? He already had DA, Frye, and Dorsey. I can understand the Joe Thomas pick. But now he traded away a high first rounder in '08 for a QB (Quinn) he may not have even needed!

He's a lost puppy that needs to go back to being a DC.

You don't start the pre-season the way he did if you have any clue what you're doing.

 

[tomarken]

Yeah, nothing like a .500 record to prove your detractors wrong....

You have not seen the light I see.BTW, I think you're in the minority if people are honost about Cleveland being .500 at this point. There was talk about them not winning a game after week 1. You act like you expected them to be .500 after that first game loss and the hysteria around the QB situation, gratz on seeing thru that, you know your stuff.

Under Crennel, the Browns started 2-2 in 2005. They finished 6-10.Under Crennel, the Browns started 1-3 in 2006 (and they lost one of those on a last second field goal). They finished 4-12.Under Coughlin, the Giants started 2-2 in 2006. They finished 8-8.Under Coughlin, the Giants started 3-1 in 2004. They finished 6-10.Consider me unimpressed.

 

[Koya]

Huge Giants fan here - Coughlin is doing no better nor worse than he has in the past. Either way, it's time to move on. Nothing to apologize for here.

 

[CA_7]

Coughlin,

Thanks for making it that much easier for our best player to retire early.

Sincerely,

Bitter Giants Fan

 

[Koya]

Coughlin,Thanks for making it that much easier for our best player to retire early. Sincerely,Bitter Giants Fan

Coughlin,Our apologies for forcing upon you an inconsiderate, selfish, locker room cancer upon you that did everything he could to undermine your authority while only thinking about himself.Sincerely,Bitter EX Tiki Fan (who has gone way beyond losing all respect for Tiki. WAY beyond that)

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

Crennel has "lucked" into his situation. He too thought DA was a bum...or he wouldn't have given Frye so many opportunities.

He didn't think DA was a bum or he would have traded him and not Frye. He picked the correct QB to get rid of.Frye was a reasonably high draft pick. QB's can often develop late and even though he may not have been happy with Frye in preseason, he still knows preseason is just like a scrimmage. He wanted to see what Frye had in a game situation this year so he started him. He saw all he needed, benched him and then started Anderson since. He made a nice trade and got something for Frye instead of letting him rot on the bench. Trading Frye away shows me just how much confidence he actually had in Anderson.

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

Huge Giants fan here - Coughlin is doing no better nor worse than he has in the past. Either way, it's time to move on. Nothing to apologize for here.

Well, I think he entered this season with less talent than he has in the past. The defense and offense took quite a few hits in the opening game vs. Dallas and I think many people wrote them off after week one.In fact, many people right here on these boards put the Giants in there worst 5 teams after just 2 weeks. Now, 2 weeks later some people are putting them in the topic of conversation as Wild Card team.To now at this point say he's doing no better or worse than usual........I don't know, don't think you're seeing the light yet.

 

[Josh the FunkDOC]

I still don't see Derek Anderson as a legitimate long-term starter, and I don't think the organization does either. As a Browns homer, I will say that even in their wins he hasn't ever LOOKED impressive - blown coverages accounted for most of the Bengals game and Braylon's TD vs. Baltimore. Getting Quinn was definitely the right move, especially considering their first-round pick may not end up being extremely high. And would we have gotten a better QB if we waited until next year? Most likely not.

I give credit to Crennel & the front office for finding some solid players in the upper rounds of the draft and free agency - that's a lot more than our previous regimes have ever done. But they still have quite a few significant weaknesses and personnel mistakes under their belt:

1. Signing Trent Dilfer to be the starter in '05. This was obviously a rebuilding team, so why pay for an old man? Surely you had some other warm body you could stick in there while Frye learned the playbook.

2. Shelling out big bucks for an old Willie McGinest. He's basically just a glorified assistant coach anymore; I wouldn't have a problem with that except for the money involved.

3. The funniest one IMO: Paying upper-tier left tackle money for Kevin Shaffer. He played LT in Atlanta and was pretty good, so this sounded nice...except that Vick is left-handed, so it was actually the RIGHT tackle who protected his blind side. Of course, we've moved him to RT now, but sweet jeebus that's way too much cap room for that position.

4. The QB debacle this year. This has already been discussed plenty on this board.

5. Generally, it seems like this group just cannot find quality players in the 5th/6th rounds. That's what makes organizations like the Pats/Colts/Eagles consistent winners, and we won't get there until we can start doing this.

So overall, Crennel & co. don't deserve the level of hate that they often get, but I rate them a solid "Meh".

-Josh

 

[JoeSteeler]

Crennel has "lucked" into his situation. He too thought DA was a bum...or he wouldn't have given Frye so many opportunities.

He didn't think DA was a bum or he would have traded him and not Frye. He picked the correct QB to get rid of.Frye was a reasonably high draft pick. QB's can often develop late and even though he may not have been happy with Frye in preseason, he still knows preseason is just like a scrimmage. He wanted to see what Frye had in a game situation this year so he started him. He saw all he needed, benched him and then started Anderson since. He made a nice trade and got something for Frye instead of letting him rot on the bench. Trading Frye away shows me just how much confidence he actually had in Anderson.

He was completely wrong on which QB to start week 1. I dont know where you live, but I live in NE Ohio. All through the preseason there was this huge QB "battle" to see who would start week 1. Well, according to Romeo, Frye was far and away the better QB. He only turned to DA when Frye failed.Romeo will be gone next year and this will all be a moot point.

 

[JaxBill]

I was one of the ones predicting the Giants demise.

 

[JoeSteeler]

I still don't see Derek Anderson as a legitimate long-term starter, and I don't think the organization does either. As a Browns homer, I will say that even in their wins he hasn't ever LOOKED impressive - blown coverages accounted for most of the Bengals game and Braylon's TD vs. Baltimore. Getting Quinn was definitely the right move, especially considering their first-round pick may not end up being extremely high. And would we have gotten a better QB if we waited until next year? Most likely not.I give credit to Crennel & the front office for finding some solid players in the upper rounds of the draft and free agency - that's a lot more than our previous regimes have ever done. But they still have quite a few significant weaknesses and personnel mistakes under their belt:1. Signing Trent Dilfer to be the starter in '05. This was obviously a rebuilding team, so why pay for an old man? Surely you had some other warm body you could stick in there while Frye learned the playbook.2. Shelling out big bucks for an old Willie McGinest. He's basically just a glorified assistant coach anymore; I wouldn't have a problem with that except for the money involved.3. The funniest one IMO: Paying upper-tier left tackle money for Kevin Shaffer. He played LT in Atlanta and was pretty good, so this sounded nice...except that Vick is left-handed, so it was actually the RIGHT tackle who protected his blind side. Of course, we've moved him to RT now, but sweet jeebus that's way too much cap room for that position.4. The QB debacle this year. This has already been discussed plenty on this board.5. Generally, it seems like this group just cannot find quality players in the 5th/6th rounds. That's what makes organizations like the Pats/Colts/Eagles consistent winners, and we won't get there until we can start doing this.So overall, Crennel & co. don't deserve the level of hate that they often get, but I rate them a solid "Meh".-Josh

This guy knows what is going on.

 

[Bobcat10]

What if I still don't think Crennel is the right person for the job? I owe him something?

I find it funny that you mention these specific head coaches, but then give props to the entire coaching staffs. If Crennel has anyone to thank for winning two games and being competitive, it's Chud.

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

Crennel has "lucked" into his situation. He too thought DA was a bum...or he wouldn't have given Frye so many opportunities.

He didn't think DA was a bum or he would have traded him and not Frye. He picked the correct QB to get rid of.Frye was a reasonably high draft pick. QB's can often develop late and even though he may not have been happy with Frye in preseason, he still knows preseason is just like a scrimmage. He wanted to see what Frye had in a game situation this year so he started him. He saw all he needed, benched him and then started Anderson since. He made a nice trade and got something for Frye instead of letting him rot on the bench. Trading Frye away shows me just how much confidence he actually had in Anderson.

He was completely wrong on which QB to start week 1. I dont know where you live, but I live in NE Ohio. All through the preseason there was this huge QB "battle" to see who would start week 1. Well, according to Romeo, Frye was far and away the better QB. He only turned to DA when Frye failed.Romeo will be gone next year and this will all be a moot point.

I live in Detroit and I've paid attention to the controversies in Cleveland. Is it possible that thru his genius that he just wanted to see how Frye would play this new season in a real game. He verbally supported Frye in the public so that he felt the support of his coach and his staff. However, behind the scenes Crennel and staff may have been talking about how disappointed they were in the young Frye. When Crennel saw Frye playing poorly in week 1, he went in his next QB Anderson who he must have had confidence in because it wasn't him he traded, it was Frye.

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

What if I still don't think Crennel is the right person for the job? I owe him something? I find it funny that you mention these specific head coaches, but then give props to the entire coaching staffs. If Crennel has anyone to thank for winning two games and being competitive, it's Chud.

In reality, you don't owe anyone anything.... I just thought you may feel better of you emptied your conscience.

 

[Bobcat10]

What if I still don't think Crennel is the right person for the job? I owe him something? I find it funny that you mention these specific head coaches, but then give props to the entire coaching staffs. If Crennel has anyone to thank for winning two games and being competitive, it's Chud.

In reality, you don't owe anyone anything.... I just thought you may feel better of you emptied your conscience.

When the Browns finish 8-8 or 9-7 this year, it's unfortunately gonna buy Romeo his 4th year. Then it's playoffs or out, nothing else matters. Savage stays around for a while either way. Hopefully the two coordinators do also.That's how I see this playing out right now.

 

[KellysHeroes]

When the Giants beat Dallas on Nov 11th.... then you can apology too Coughlin

 

[horadadude]

Coughlin,Thanks for making it that much easier for our best player to retire early. Sincerely,Bitter Giants Fan

Coughlin,Our apologies for forcing upon you an inconsiderate, selfish, locker room cancer upon you that did everything he could to undermine your authority while only thinking about himself.Sincerely,Bitter EX Tiki Fan (who has gone way beyond losing all respect for Tiki. WAY beyond that)

Fantastic post - huge Giants fan here. I turn off the TV when I see Rondes brother on the screen

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

Coughlin,Thanks for making it that much easier for our best player to retire early. Sincerely,Bitter Giants Fan

Coughlin,Our apologies for forcing upon you an inconsiderate, selfish, locker room cancer upon you that did everything he could to undermine your authority while only thinking about himself.Sincerely,Bitter EX Tiki Fan (who has gone way beyond losing all respect for Tiki. WAY beyond that)

Fantastic post - huge Giants fan here. I turn off the TV when I see Rondes brother on the screen

I lost a lot of respect for T. Barber.......retiring and then saying all the stuff he did was poor. I don't care if he was an analyst or not, you don't say all that stuff right before the season's going to start. If he cared about the fans or some of the players on that team, he wouldn't have done that. All that did was stir things up and he couldn't care less. He had a book coming out and this was his chance to promote it.......For him to say he retired because of Coughlin and would be playing still if he didn't steal away his passion is a joke. I wonder what some of the old time players thought of such a thing when they were getting paid peanuts. You think those guys liked all of their coaches?

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

When the Giants beat Dallas on Nov 11th.... then you can apology too Coughlin

This could happen, that week 1 game in Dallas was tough. They could flip flop things in NY, most definately.

 

[twitch]

Im glad Crennel and his Browns are off to a pretty good start. Theyve split their games and probably should be 3-1. Frye was a bad QB, he wouldnt have been happy as a QB3, and that trade was great because they got rid of him for a pick. I hope they keep on winning, except for this week when they take on the Patriots because Ill be pulling for those guys. So, as a Pats fan, I want to see Romeo continue to win and hang on to that job. All that said, Ive felt all along that they should have gone with Quinn out of the gate and started his development. I didnt see that opening 4 games as being the 'confidence crushing' slate that so many people thought it would have been for Quinn. Pittsburgh is of course solid, but the next 3 were games Quinn could have competed in, and imo, contributed to Browns' wins. Of course its a great thing that Anderson has played well enough to lead the team to 2 wins. But the Bengals D is awful, Oakland's D is far overrated, and Baltimore's D just isnt what it used to be. And their O is just plain horrible. I dont see the Browns as a playoff team. Theyve won 2 games. Great. But are they winning the Superbowl this year? Id love to give Anderson more credit, but he's throwing to possibly the 2nd best TE in the game and one of the better young WRs in the league in Edwards. The only reason those 2 havent blown up yet to this point in their careers is because of injury. Theyve been running seemingly wide open all over the field. But completing less than 53% of his passes is simply not good. And he's still thrown 5 picks in 3 1/2 games. Good game, bad game, good game, bad game. Itll happen all year. he just had a good game against Baltimore, so expect a bad one against New England.

Ive never bashed Romeo, so I dont really fall into that category. Ive been disappointed that Quinn still hasnt seen the field, because imo when he does, he'll take that team to a different level. But to this point, a win is a win is a win, and what theyre doing is working. So, props to Browns' fans and Romeo Crennel for staying the course. and much luck the rest of the year. except next week.

 

[Tanner9919]

Check in here if you owe an apology to either Coach Romeo Crennel or Coughlin. If you were one calling out for a firing earlier this season you may want to repent here today.Both of these coaches were absolutely taking a beating by fans and media. Under constant duress, these coaches have turned their clubs around and are not only competitive, but winning.In a day and age where fans are quick to want to give coaches the boot, I applaud the recent efforts of these coaching staffs. I have been impressed by both of these teams as they have played well thru injuries and off the field distractions.You can fold your arms and keep quiet and take the "wait and see" approach so that you can continue to bash when something else goes wrong (if it does) to prove to yourself that you were not wrong (God forbid such a thing) or you can apologize today and just admit that these coaches must know a little more than you and many others gave them credit for.

Heyyou might want to wait till monday for this, and take both coaches off of this list..Coughlin will be the scapegoat WHEN the Jets beat my team,the NYG's on sunday..I can feel the loss already! haha..and once again, Coughlin will look silly. the browns play the Pats right? you might see a 45-0 final score in this one..lets face it, Crennel sucks and so does Coughlin..neither will be coaching either of these teams, next season..

 

[Scruff Mcgruff]

Check in here if you owe an apology to either Coach Romeo Crennel or Coughlin. If you were one calling out for a firing earlier this season you may want to repent here today.Both of these coaches were absolutely taking a beating by fans and media. Under constant duress, these coaches have turned their clubs around and are not only competitive, but winning.In a day and age where fans are quick to want to give coaches the boot, I applaud the recent efforts of these coaching staffs. I have been impressed by both of these teams as they have played well thru injuries and off the field distractions.You can fold your arms and keep quiet and take the "wait and see" approach so that you can continue to bash when something else goes wrong (if it does) to prove to yourself that you were not wrong (God forbid such a thing) or you can apologize today and just admit that these coaches must know a little more than you and many others gave them credit for.

Heyyou might want to wait till monday for this, and take both coaches off of this list..Coughlin will be the scapegoat WHEN the Jets beat my team,the NYG's on sunday..I can feel the loss already! haha..and once again, Coughlin will look silly. the browns play the Pats right? you might see a 45-0 final score in this one..lets face it, Crennel sucks and so does Coughlin..neither will be coaching either of these teams, next season..

As a giants fan...Please never say they will lose to the jets ever again.Thanks

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

Anyone still holding out on that apology or do you still think Crennel and Coughlin should be canned?

Just apologize, you'll feel much better than holding it in. It's not good for you.

 

[dickey moe]

Crennel has been the head coach for what -- 3 seasons now? Sure, they've surpassed expectations this year, but he hasn't demonstrated anything special. Let's see if they can even get to the playoffs this year.

 

[Evilgrin 72]

I'll give Crennel a little more credit when the Browns get some quality wins. Other than beating the 4-3 Ravens (good win) - their other 3 wins are over teams with a combined record of 2-21. They will still win a few more games because they're better than the Jets and probably the 49ers, but they still have to play each of the other three teams in the AFC North, and they have to go to Baltimore and Pittsburgh. They may actually go 7-9 or 8-8 this year, but it'll be a mirage similar to the '06 Jets.

 

[Bobcat10]

Anyone still holding out on that apology or do you still think Crennel and Coughlin should be canned?Just apologize, you'll feel much better than holding it in. It's not good for you.

I'll thank Chud.Romeo is too, every single day.

 

[Bobcat10]

I'll give Crennel a little more credit when the Browns get some quality wins. Other than beating the 4-3 Ravens (good win) - their other 3 wins are over teams with a combined record of 2-21. They will still win a few more games because they're better than the Jets and probably the 49ers, but they still have to play each of the other three teams in the AFC North, and they have to go to Baltimore and Pittsburgh. They may actually go 7-9 or 8-8 this year, but it'll be a mirage similar to the '06 Jets.

More talent on this Browns team than the '06 Jets, imo.

 

[Evilgrin 72]

I'll give Crennel a little more credit when the Browns get some quality wins. Other than beating the 4-3 Ravens (good win) - their other 3 wins are over teams with a combined record of 2-21. They will still win a few more games because they're better than the Jets and probably the 49ers, but they still have to play each of the other three teams in the AFC North, and they have to go to Baltimore and Pittsburgh. They may actually go 7-9 or 8-8 this year, but it'll be a mirage similar to the '06 Jets.

More talent on this Browns team than the '06 Jets, imo.

Oh, definitely. I'm just saying that their record will be inflated slightly by a fortuitous schedule. That's no fault of theirs, you can only play the team lined up across from you. I'm just saying that if they end up 9-7 and just miss the playoffs, they'll be a team that will be a trendy pick to go to the playoffs in '08, when in actuality, they may end up going 6-10 with a second-place schedule.

 

[Bobcat10]

I'll give Crennel a little more credit when the Browns get some quality wins. Other than beating the 4-3 Ravens (good win) - their other 3 wins are over teams with a combined record of 2-21. They will still win a few more games because they're better than the Jets and probably the 49ers, but they still have to play each of the other three teams in the AFC North, and they have to go to Baltimore and Pittsburgh. They may actually go 7-9 or 8-8 this year, but it'll be a mirage similar to the '06 Jets.

More talent on this Browns team than the '06 Jets, imo.

Oh, definitely. I'm just saying that their record will be inflated slightly by a fortuitous schedule. That's no fault of theirs, you can only play the team lined up across from you. I'm just saying that if they end up 9-7 and just miss the playoffs, they'll be a team that will be a trendy pick to go to the playoffs in '08, when in actuality, they may end up going 6-10 with a second-place schedule.

Aren't there only 2 games each year based on last years record? That's still two tougher games of course, but I think alot more depends upon what years your playing the two other divisions. This year we both have the weak NFC West and weak AFC East minus NE. Next year is the NFC East and the AFC South, much tougher. The other two games are actually versus the AFC West and the AFC East (gonna be one of Buff/NYJ/Mia again, and you'll probably have NE if you win the division).

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

I'll give Crennel a little more credit when the Browns get some quality wins. Other than beating the 4-3 Ravens (good win) - their other 3 wins are over teams with a combined record of 2-21. They will still win a few more games because they're better than the Jets and probably the 49ers, but they still have to play each of the other three teams in the AFC North, and they have to go to Baltimore and Pittsburgh. They may actually go 7-9 or 8-8 this year, but it'll be a mirage similar to the '06 Jets.

True but what about losing to the Patriots 34-17 in NE. That's probably the most impressive score against NE all season and to be quote honost, that game should have been closer.

 

[Evilgrin 72]

I'll give Crennel a little more credit when the Browns get some quality wins. Other than beating the 4-3 Ravens (good win) - their other 3 wins are over teams with a combined record of 2-21. They will still win a few more games because they're better than the Jets and probably the 49ers, but they still have to play each of the other three teams in the AFC North, and they have to go to Baltimore and Pittsburgh. They may actually go 7-9 or 8-8 this year, but it'll be a mirage similar to the '06 Jets.

More talent on this Browns team than the '06 Jets, imo.

Oh, definitely. I'm just saying that their record will be inflated slightly by a fortuitous schedule. That's no fault of theirs, you can only play the team lined up across from you. I'm just saying that if they end up 9-7 and just miss the playoffs, they'll be a team that will be a trendy pick to go to the playoffs in '08, when in actuality, they may end up going 6-10 with a second-place schedule.

Aren't there only 2 games each year based on last years record? That's still two tougher games of course, but I think alot more depends upon what years your playing the two other divisions. This year we both have the weak NFC West and weak AFC East minus NE. Next year is the NFC East and the AFC South, much tougher. The other two games are actually versus the AFC West and the AFC East (gonna be one of Buff/NYJ/Mia again, and you'll probably have NE if you win the division).

It is only two games, but that makes a big difference when you're talking about playing 2 last place teams every year or playing 2 playoff contenders. Those two games can turn an 8-8 one year into a 6-10 the next really fast.

 

[Evilgrin 72]

I'll give Crennel a little more credit when the Browns get some quality wins. Other than beating the 4-3 Ravens (good win) - their other 3 wins are over teams with a combined record of 2-21. They will still win a few more games because they're better than the Jets and probably the 49ers, but they still have to play each of the other three teams in the AFC North, and they have to go to Baltimore and Pittsburgh. They may actually go 7-9 or 8-8 this year, but it'll be a mirage similar to the '06 Jets.

True but what about losing to the Patriots 34-17 in NE. That's probably the most impressive score against NE all season and to be quote honost, that game should have been closer.

That may be, but I'm sorry - no matter how good NE is, I'm not going to give a coach "props" for losing a game by 17 points.

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

Some people are claiming the Giants are the best team in the NFC. There's talk about Cleveland making the playoffs.........anybody else out there that thought they should have been fired that need to apologize before they actually start getting votes for coach of the year.

 

[JHuber77]

Dear Coach Coughlin,

It HURTS to say this but if it wasn't for me you would still be in the doghouse.

Signed,

Plaxico Burress's Ankle

 

[JHuber77]

Dear Coach Crennel,

You can thank us later for years worth of #1 Draft picks

Signed,

All 31 other NFL teams

 

[omally]

Why would someone apologize to two coaches they have never met? Do the coaches frequent this site?

 

[KnowledgeReignsSupreme]

Unless the Browns build on this season significantly, I don't see an apology in order for Crennel. Coughlin on the other hand, yes. I was not a detractor of his however.

 

[Kyzersosik]

Coughlin saw the writing on the wall and actually looked at some things from the players point of view. Still think he needs at least 1, maybe 2, playoff wins to get a new contract. Crennell in Cleve. only has to go .500 to have fan base and ownership looking ahead. Last season people were wondering about Romeo`s status and ownership is excited about the next 8 ganes and of course 2008. GO BROWNS, not a fan but would love to see them finish ahead of taht F..ing stiff Bilick in Balt!!!

 

[H.K.]

Some people are claiming the Giants are the best team in the NFC.

Um, the Giants have started every season under Coughlin 5-2....you knew that, right?The important thing is how they have finished:2006 New York Giants 8-8 first round playoff loss2005 New York Giants 11-5 first round playoff loss2004 New York Giants 6-10 The reason Coughlin is on the hot seat seat, and rightfully so, is because the Giants have imploded at the end of every season he has coached them. There is zero reason to expect Coughlin will have a job with the Giants next year unless they make a deep playoff run in 2007. How the Giants do in the regular season is pretty meaningless, unless they don't even make the playoff. Therefore, including Coughlin in a thread like this makes absolutely no sense.

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

Look, my entire motive behind writing this wasn't really that YOU owe anyone an "I'm sorry", I know that is very difficult for most to do so I wouldn't ask that.

It really stems from how quick we are as a sports society to overreact and blame coaches for all the things that go wrong.

I don't want to get into the Marty Schottenheimer thing again. I know there were other reasons for him being released but many feel part of the reason was he couldn't win the big one. So, for me that has bothered me ever since because sometimes you don't know how good you have it until you lose it.

Then, for me coming from Michigan, the Wolverines lost to Appalachian St. and then of course losing to Oregon. Well, Appalachian St. should have never happened but guess what.........Oregon may be the best team in college football. Now all of a sudden that loss doesn't seem so bad after Henne was knocked out of the game when it was reasonably close at the time. Since then, Michigan hasn't lost a football game and I can tell you from a guy who reads about every article in the paper, I don't see too many saying Lloyd Carr should now be fired. It's funny what winning will do.....even though I know those same people are waiting for Michigan to lose in Wisconsin and of course waiting for Ohio St. to come into Michigan here in a couple weeks.

Anyway, after the first 2 weeks in New York Giants and the Browns......basically everyone through them under the bus. That they stink as coaches, that they do this wrong, they do that wrong and that basically my Great Grandma could coach better than them.

Well guess what....it appears that these guys do know something. That they've turned around these teams in a VERY short time and both teams may end up in the playoffs.

I do feel fans jump to the "Fire Him" idea WAY to quick and hope that many of those same people don't have bosses who'd react the same way they do.

I am hoping that Cleveland, even at the expense of a quality Dallas first round pick makes the playoffs and I even hope the Giants make the playoffs as a wild card team. I think it shows great character when a team or a coach performs under adversity and that's exactly what you're seeing here.

I'm not saying either of these two teams are the best in the NFL, but I am saying they're certainly a lot better than what people were giving them credit for after 2 weeks when they were both thrown under the bus.

 

[Frawfog]

What if I still don't think Crennel is the right person for the job? I owe him something? I find it funny that you mention these specific head coaches, but then give props to the entire coaching staffs. If Crennel has anyone to thank for winning two games and being competitive, it's Chud.

Another factor here is that Romeo is 60 years old. Perhaps some believe that life can begin at 60, but no matter how good this Browns team does, the organization needs to start thinking about how much longer this guy wants to do this, and needs to have a successor in the wings.

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

What if I still don't think Crennel is the right person for the job? I owe him something? I find it funny that you mention these specific head coaches, but then give props to the entire coaching staffs. If Crennel has anyone to thank for winning two games and being competitive, it's Chud.

Another factor here is that Romeo is 60 years old. Perhaps some believe that life can begin at 60, but no matter how good this Browns team does, the organization needs to start thinking about how much longer this guy wants to do this, and needs to have a successor in the wings.

Joe Pa may be available.

 

[Bobcat10]

What if I still don't think Crennel is the right person for the job? I owe him something? I find it funny that you mention these specific head coaches, but then give props to the entire coaching staffs. If Crennel has anyone to thank for winning two games and being competitive, it's Chud.

Another factor here is that Romeo is 60 years old. Perhaps some believe that life can begin at 60, but no matter how good this Browns team does, the organization needs to start thinking about how much longer this guy wants to do this, and needs to have a successor in the wings.

Chud in '09!

 

[KnowledgeReignsSupreme]

Look, my entire motive behind writing this wasn't really that YOU owe anyone an "I'm sorry", I know that is very difficult for most to do so I wouldn't ask that.

It really stems from how quick we are as a sports society to overreact and blame coaches for all the things that go wrong.

This is so funny I don't even know how to go from here.

 

[Phurfur]

Crennel has "lucked" into his situation. He too thought DA was a bum...or he wouldn't have given Frye so many opportunities. Now DA has looked like a Pro-Bowler (Ok...I'm stretching it here) and you wanna shower Crennel with accolades? Hell no! Crennel is still clueless and even still doesn't know what he has with his team.

If he knew what he had in DA, why trade up to get Quinn? He already had DA, Frye, and Dorsey. I can understand the Joe Thomas pick. But now he traded away a high first rounder in '08 for a QB (Quinn) he may not have even needed!

He's a lost puppy that needs to go back to being a DC.

You don't start the pre-season the way he did if you have any clue what you're doing.

And how high do you think that pick will be? Right now they are in position to make the play-offs.

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

Look, my entire motive behind writing this wasn't really that YOU owe anyone an "I'm sorry", I know that is very difficult for most to do so I wouldn't ask that.

It really stems from how quick we are as a sports society to overreact and blame coaches for all the things that go wrong.

This is so funny I don't even know how to go from here.

Give me a little more info on why you're lost in your direction and maybe I can help you.And about the word on the first round pick for Quinn, at first it looked as if Dallas may get like a top 5 pick the way the Browns were being put down, not it looks as though it could be 20 something.